Re: U.S. abuse of German PoWs, 1945-1948 = Millions Died By Eiesenhower!!

[Asterix]

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.

Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!

Now that more and more German survivors of the post-war genocide by
the US and allies are no longer afraid to testify, perhaps they too
will start demanding reparations for their torture, as did the filthy
ZHIDS for the holohoax?

>On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:44:49 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
><ErnstZu...@veritas.net> wrote:
>>What an idiot.
>>The poster stated that he was told about the incident AFTER the war,
>>not that it happened after the war.

>>On 14 Dec 2004 01:33:31 GMT, COL. RSJ <extermi...@alltel.net>
>>wrote:
>>>On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:59:16 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" <mena...@monarch.net>
>>>wrote:

>>>>I knew an older German living her that was in Ike' camp about 35 years
>>>>ago he told me the stories how he watched as they collected the death
>>>>every morning. He said also only the strongest once did get extra food
>>>>rationing to carry away the death. At one time the did stack up the
>>>>death into a pile and a film grew form from America took pictures of it.
>>>>He also said he has seen this film clip here in Canada latter on where
>>>>it was portrayed as a sceene from the concentration camps.

>>>So then, this all happened back in 1969. I could have sworn that WW2
>>>was long over by then.

>>>>Kurt Knoll
>>>>Kitimat B.C. Canada

>>>>"Ernst Zundholtz" <ErnstZu...@veritas.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:1102955538.674ea702dd61a9f1ccb0b3a7dde7eba0@teranews...
>>>>> On 13 Dec 2004 01:34:52 -0800, "Schorsch" <bart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>> >> In article <1102789129.6...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> >> Schorsch <bart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> >Allied Plans for the Annihilation of the German People
>>>>> >> >Measures for the Devastation of the Heart of Europe
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Was there some point you wished to make?
>>>>>
>>>>> >Was there one you wished to make?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps the Scheissedreck Shabbasgoy McVay wanted to further repost
>>>>> the following article...
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Es Stimmt-Ike's Death Camps for Germans!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>>>>> Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
>>>>> and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
>>>>> unemployed gas pump boy, mastermind of the
>>>>> Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>>>>> diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all
>>>>> his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>>>>> Here is the latest.......
>>>>>
>>>>> From: cms...@excite.com (Carlos cmsahe)
>>>>> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.palestine,soc.culture.europe
>>>>> Subject: "Ike"'s Death camps
>>>>> Date: 18 Feb 2002 07:43:47 -0800
>>>>>
>>>>> A U.S. PRISON GUARD AT ONE OF "IKE'S DEATH CAMPS"
>>>>>
>>>>> By Martin Brech
>>>>>
>>>>> FORTY-FIVE years ago, I witnessed an atrocity: the deliberate
>>>>> starvation of German POWs by our own army. History, written by the
>>>>> victors, suppressed all news of this atrocity until James Bacque, a
>>>>> Canadian author, published his brilliant expose, OTHER LOSSES. This
>>>>> book is a best seller in Canada, a sensation in Europe, yet is
>>>>> virtually unavailable (censored?) in the U.S. Our major booksellers
>>>>> told me their distributors are not handling it. When I prevailed upon
>>>>> a small, independent bookstore to order direct from Canada, the
>>>>> publisher told them they would be the only store in New York State to
>>>>> carry the book. This in 'the land of the free'?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Fortunately, Pat Buchanan called attention to OTHER LOSSES in his
>>>>> January 10, 1990 column. He wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Conclusion: the U.S. Army killed ten times as many Germans in POW
>>>>> camps as we did on battlefields from Normandy to V.E. day. (German
>>>>> POWs) had their rations cut below survival level until they were dying
>>>>> at rates up to 30% of exposure, starvation and neglect... Red Cross
>>>>> food trains were turned back and U.S. food shipments sat on the
>>>>> docks...One French officer said the U.S. camps reminded him of Dachau
>>>>> and Buchenwald...The book blames Eisenhower. 'The German is a beast,'
>>>>> Ike had written...But that was not how the Canadians and British felt,
>>>>> who treated their prisoners justly...It was not the view of General
>>>>> Mark Clark, nor of Patton...Ignoring the book is not enough."
>>>>> Pat Buchanan's courageous column inspired me to help end the cover-up
>>>>> of the atrocity I had witnessed. I wrote letters to several newspapers
>>>>> which were, of necessity, short and incomplete. Now I would like to
>>>>> finally free more of my painful memories, hoping to be heard, so that
>>>>> this will help us to acknowledge our share in the "banality of evil",
>>>>> cleansing ourselves with the truth. Perhaps we as a nation may then
>>>>> put this behind us with some integrity and with some hope for
>>>>> redemption.
>>>>>
>>>>> In October 1944, at age eighteen, I was drafted into the army while a
>>>>> student at the NYS College of Forestry. Largely due to the "Battle of
>>>>> the Bulge", my training was cut short, my furlough cut in half, and I
>>>>> was then immediately sent overseas. Upon arrival in Le Havre, France,
>>>>> we were quickly loaded into boxcars and shipped to the front. By the
>>>>> time we reached it, I had developed mononucleosis severely enough to
>>>>> be sent to a hospital in Belgium.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the time I left the hospital, the unit I had trained with in
>>>>> Spartenburg, South Carolina was so deeply into Germany that I warn
>>>>> placed in a "repo depo" (a replacement depot) despite my protests. I
>>>>> then lost interest in which units I was assigned to because non-combat
>>>>> units were generally not respected. My separation qualification record
>>>>> states that I served mostly with the 14th Infantry Regiment, during
>>>>> which time I guarded prisoners of war and served as an interpreter.
>>>>> During my seventeen month stay in Germany, I was transferred to other
>>>>> outfits also.
>>>>>
>>>>> In late March or early April 1945, I was assigned to help guard a POW
>>>>> camp near Andernach along the Rhine. I had four years of high school
>>>>> German, so I was able to talk to the prisoners, although this was
>>>>> forbidden.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gradually, however, I was used as an interpreter and asked to ferret
>>>>> out the S.S. (I found none.)
>>>>>
>>>>> In Andernach, between 50,000 and 65,000 prisoners, ranging in age from
>>>>> very young teens to very old men, were crowded together in an open
>>>>> field surrounded by barbed wire. The women were kept in a separate
>>>>> enclosure which I did not see until later. The men I guarded had no
>>>>> tents or other shelter, no blankets and many had no coats. Inadequate
>>>>> numbers of slit trenches were provided for excrement, and so the men
>>>>> lived and slept in the mud and increasing filth during a cold, wet
>>>>> spring. Their misery from exposure alone was evident.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was even more shocking to see them eating grass, sometimes throwing
>>>>> it into a tin can containing a thin soup. They told me they did this
>>>>> hoping to ease their hunger pains. Soon their emaciation was evident.
>>>>
>>>>> Dysentery raged and, too weak and crowded to reach the slit trenches,
>>>>> they were increasingly sleeping in excrement. I saw no sign of
>>>>> provision for water, so the thin soup was their food and water for the
>>>>> day. Some days there was bread, less than a slice each. Other days
>>>>> there was nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sight of so many men desperate for food and water, sickening and
>>>>> dying before our eyes, is indescribable. Even now, I can only think of
>>>>> it momentarily.
>>>>>
>>>>> We had ample food and supplies that could have been shared more
>>>>> humanely, and we could have offered some medical assistance, but did
>>>>> nothing. Only the dead were quickly and efficiently taken care of:
>>>>> hauled away to mass graves.
>>>>>
>>>>> My outrage reached the point that I protested to my officers, but I
>>>>> was met with hostility or bland indifference. When pressed, they
>>>>> explained they were under strict orders from "higher up". No officer
>>>>> would dare to systematically do this to over 50,000 prisoners if he
>>>>> felt he was violating general policy and subject to court martial. The
>>>>> term "war criminal" was just beginning to come into fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Realizing my protests were useless, I asked a friend working in the
>>>>> kitchen if he could slip me some extra food for the prisoners. He too
>>>>> repeated that they were under strict orders to severely ration the
>>>>> prisoners' food, and that these orders came from "higher up". But he
>>>>> said they had more food than they knew what to do with and would sneak
>>>>> me some.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I threw this food over the barbed wires to the prisoners I was
>>>>> caught and threatened with imprisonment. I repeated the "offense", and
>>>>> one officer threatened to shoot me. I naturally assumed this was a
>>>>> bluff, but I began to have some doubts after I encountered a captain
>>>>> on a hill above the Rhine shooting down at a group of German civilian
>>>>> women with his .45 caliber pistol. When I asked, "Why?" he mumbled,
>>>>> "Target practice," and fired until his pistol was empty. I saw the
>>>>> women running for cover, but, at that distance, couldn't tell if any
>>>>> had been hit.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is when I more fully realized I was dealing with some
>>>>> cold-blooded killers filled with moralistic hatred. They considered
>>>>> the Germans sub-human and worthy of extermination; another expression
>>>>> of the downward spiral of racism. Articles in the G.I. newspaper,
>>>>> Stars & Stripes, played up the Nazi concentration camps, complete with
>>>>> photographs of emaciated bodies; this amplified our self-righteous
>>>>> cruelty and made it easier to imitate behavior we were supposed to
>>>>> oppose. Also, I think, soldiers not exposed to combat were trying to
>>>>> prove how tough they were by taking it out on the prisoners and
>>>>> civilians. At least, many combat soldiers told me later they would not
>>>>> have tolerated this, for they combined hatred with respect for a
>>>>> courageous enemy.
>>>>>
>>>>> The prisoners I spoke to were mostly simple farmers and workingmen, as
>>>>> ignorant, albeit nationalistic, as many of our own troops. I heard
>>>>> many versions of "my country, right or wrong, my country," which we
>>>>> still hear in our own country today.
>>>>>
>>>>> As time went on, many of them lapsed into a Zombie-like state of
>>>>> listlessness. Others, maddened by thirst, tried to escape in a
>>>>> desperate or suicidal fashion, running through open fields in broad
>>>>> daylight towards the Rhine to quench their thirst. They were mowed
>>>>> down.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some prisoners were extremely eager for cigarettes, saying they took
>>>>> the edge off their hunger. Accordingly, some enterprising G.I. "Yankee
>>>>> traders" were acquiring hordes of wrist watches and rings in exchange
>>>>> for handfuls of cigarettes or less. When I began throwing cartons of
>>>>> cigar-ettes to the prisoners to ruin this trade, I found myself
>>>>> threatened by rank-and-file G.I.s also. At least this taught me an
>>>>> indelible lesson: how wrong majorities and authorities can be.
>>>>>
>>>>> A bright spot in this gloomy picture came, oddly enough, one night
>>>>> when I was put on the "graveyard shift", from two to four A.M.
>>>>> Actually, there was a graveyard on the uphill side of this enclosure,
>>>>> not many yards away. My superiors had forgotten to give me a
>>>>> flashlight and I hadn't bothered to ask, being disgusted with the
>>>>> whole situation by that time. It was a fairly bright night and I soon
>>>>> became aware of a prisoner crawling under the wires to the graveyard.
>>>>> We were supposed to shoot escapees on sight, so I started to get up to
>>>>> warn him to get back. Suddenly I noticed another prisoner crawling
>>>>> from the graveyard back to the enclosure. They were risking their
>>>>> lives to get to the graveyard for something; I had to investigate.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I entered the gloom of this shrubby, tree-shaded cemetery, I
>>>>> never felt more vulnerable, but somehow curiosity kept me going.
>>>>> Despite my caution, I tripped over the legs of someone in a prone
>>>>> position. Whipping my rifle around while stumbling and trying to
>>>>> regain composure of mind and body, I soon was relieved I hadn't
>>>>> reflexively fired. The figure sat up, moving erratically. Gradually I
>>>>> could see the beautiful but terror-stricken face of a woman with a
>>>>> picnic basket nearby. German civilians were not allowed to feed, nor
>>>>> even come near, the prisoners, so I quickly assured her I approved of
>>>>> what she was doing, not to be afraid, and that I would leave the
>>>>> graveyard to get out of the way, telling no one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I left the graveyard as quickly as possible and sat down, leaning
>>>>> against a tree at the edge CF the cemetary to be inconspicuous and not
>>>>> frighten the prisoners. I imagined then, and often since, what it
>>>>> would be like to be a prisoner under those conditions and meet a
>>>>> beautiful woman with a picnic basket. I never saw her again, but I
>>>>> have never forgotten her face.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I watched, more prisoners crawled to and from the enclosure. I
>>>>> saw they were dragging food back to their comrades and could only
>>>>> admire their courage and devotion. As I walked back to my quarters at
>>>>> the end of my shift, a nightingale and I were singing -- both felt a
>>>>> touch of spring.
>>>>>
>>>>> (I originally did not intend to reveal the following incident, for it
>>>>> moves into a realm termed "mystical". However, for me, it was an
>>>>> extremely significant experience, changing my life, providing a light
>>>>> no darkness can extinguish. It must be told, hoping it will foster
>>>>> understanding.)
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 8, V.E. day, I decided to celebrate with some prisoners I was
>>>>> guarding who were baking bread, meager amounts of which the other
>>>>> prisoners occasionally received. This group had all the bread they
>>>>> could eat, and shared the jovial mood generated by the end of the war.
>>>>> We all thought we would be going home soon, a pathetic hope on their
>>>>> part. We were in what was to become the French zone, and I later
>>>>> witnessed the brutality of the French soldiers when we transferred our
>>>>> prisoners to them for their slave labor camps (see below).
>>>>>
>>>>> However, on this day we were happy.
>>>>>
>>>>> After chatting with them about the potentials of peace for the rest of
>>>>> our lives, I decided to risk a gesture of trust that objectively would
>>>>> seem foolish. I emptied my rifle and stood it in the corner. They
>>>>> tested me further by asking to play with it, and I agreed. Intuitively
>>>>> I felt I could rely on their sense of honor not to attack me, for they
>>>>> knew they too were being tested. This thoroughly 'broke the ice', and
>>>>> soon we were singing songs we taught each other or I had learned in
>>>>> high school German ("Du, du, liegst mir im Herzen"). Out of gratitude,
>>>>> they secretly baked a small sweet bread and insisted I take it,
>>>>> explaining it was the only possible gift they had left to offer.
>>>>> Expressing my gratitude with a lump in my throat, I put it in my tight
>>>>> "Eisenhower jacket" so I could sneak it back to my barracks. I later
>>>>> found an opportunity to eat it outside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never had bread tasted more delicious, nor conveyed to me a deeper
>>>>> sense of communion while eating it. A wonderful feeling pervaded me,
>>>>> gently opening me to an intimation of the Oneness of all Being.
>>>>> Through those prisoners I sensed the ~cosmic presence of what has been
>>>>> called the Christ, Buddha-nature, or, perhaps most aptly, the
>>>>> Ineffable: cosmically present, but hidden and apparently separate,
>>>>> until revealed in the wholeness of the giving of the self. Even within
>>>>> the horror humans had created, I was taught a path to redemption may
>>>>> open by taking a first, tentative step in the direction of love,
>>>>> understanding and forgiveness. This above all the prisoners taught me:
>>>>> not only are we all potentially humane humans, there is divinity
>>>>> within us waiting for us to dissolve the defensive shield of ego. I
>>>>> was pleased to discover later the words of Matthew 25:34-46,
>>>>> expressing the potential within prisoners and all who are at our
>>>>> mercy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shortly after this experience I was plunged into even greater horror.
>>>>> Some of our weak and sickly prisoners were being marched off by French
>>>>> soldiers to their camp. The truck we were on first passed another
>>>>> truck picking up bodies along the side of the road, and then came up
>>>>> behind a slowly moving column of men. Temporarily we slowed down and
>>>>> remained behind, perhaps because the driver was as shocked as I was.
>>>>> The French soldiers were apparently incensed at the poor condition of
>>>>> our prisoners, not only for labor but for marching to another camp.
>>>>> Whenever a prisoner staggered or dropped back, the French clubbed him
>>>>> to death and then dragged him to the side of the road. For many, this
>>>>> quick death might have been preferable to their prolonged suffering.
>>>>> Even gas would have been more merciful than our murder by neglect in
>>>>> our slow 'killing fields'.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I saw the German women held in a separate enclosure, I asked why
>>>>> we were keeping them. I was told they were "camp followers", selected
>>>>> as breeding stock for the S.S. to create a super-race. We provided
>>>>> them with tents but they were extremely hungry. I spoke to some and
>>>>> must say they were still spirited and attractive. However, I believe I
>>>>> was objective enough when I told all concerned that I didn't think
>>>>> they deserved our treatment.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an interpreter, I was able to prevent some particularly unfortunate
>>>>> arrests. One somewhat amusing incident occurred during a pre-dawn raid
>>>>> we conducted on a town to discover Nazis or arms. An old farmer was
>>>>> being dragged away by some soldiers. I was told he had a "fancy Nazi
>>>>> medal", which they showed to me. Fortunately, I had a chart
>>>>> identifying such medals. He had been awarded it for having five or
>>>>> more children! Perhaps his wife was somewhat relieved to get him "off
>>>>> her back", but I didn't think one of our 'death camps' was a fair
>>>>> punishment for his contribution to Germany. The soldiers agreed and
>>>>> released him to continue his "dirty work".
>>>>>
>>>>> Famine was spreading amongst German civilians also. It was a common
>>>>> sight to see German women up to their elbows in our garbage cans
>>>>> looking for something edible -- that is, when they weren't chased
>>>>> away.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I interviewed mayors of small towns and villages, I was told
>>>>> their supply of food had been taken away by "displaced persons"
>>>>> (foreigners who had worked in Germany), who packed the food on trucks
>>>>> and drove away. When I reported this, the response was a shrug or an
>>>>> expression of helplessness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although the Red Cross coffee and doughnut stands were available
>>>>> everywhere for us, I never saw any Red Cross in the prison camps or
>>>>> helping the civilians. While my girlfriend had all the "contraband"
>>>>> doughnuts she could eat, most Germans had to share their meager hidden
>>>>> stores and wait until the next harvest.
>>>>>
>>>>> This hunger undoubtedly made many German women more "available", but,
>>>>> despite this, rape was incredibly prevalent and often accompanied by
>>>>> additional violence. I particularly remember a charming eighteen year
>>>>> old girl who had several unsuccessful suitors and was "just friends"
>>>>> with me, who had the side of her face smashed with a rifle butt and
>>>>> was then raped by two G.I.s. The casual shooting of German civilians
>>>>> also continued, usually by drunken soldiers who would tell of this as
>>>>> something amusing. All too many G.I.s gave the impression they were
>>>>> 1ike animals released from cages, free to do what they liked because
>>>>> they were dealing with yet a lower species of animal, a reverse
>>>>> racism, inflamed by our propaganda. However, even the French
>>>>> complained to me that our rape and drunken destructive behavior in
>>>>> their country was excessive. When we had arrived in Le Havre, we had
>>>>> been given booklets instructing us that the Germans had maintained a
>>>>> high standard of behavior with French civilians who were peaceful, and
>>>>> that we should do the same. In this we failed miserably.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what? we might still say. The enemies' atrocities were worse than
>>>>> ours. Certainly my experiences were only of the last phases of the
>>>>> war, when we were already clearly the victors. The Nazi opportunity
>>>>> for atrocities had faded and ours was unleashed. But we might have
>>>>> learned the simple lesson that two wrongs do not make a right. Perhaps
>>>>> we might even have broken the cycle of vengeful retaliation and
>>>>> unbridled hatred, fed by racism, that has plagued human history and
>>>>> blighted human potential all to long. Instead, we committed our own
>>>>> atrocities and now are clinging to a cover-up. That is why I am
>>>>> speaking out now, forty-five years after the crime. We can never
>>>>> prevent individual war crimes, but we can, if enough of us speak out,
>>>>> influence government policy. We can reject government propaganda that
>>>>> depicts our enemies as subhuman and encourages the kinds of outrages I
>>>>> witnessed. We can protest the bombing of civilian targets, which still
>>>>> goes on today. (I will never forget the sickly sweet smell of rotting
>>>>> human flesh rising from the shattered remains of the cities and towns
>>>>> I entered.) And we can refuse ever to condone our government' s murder
>>>>> of unarmed and defeated prisoners of war.
>>>>>
>>>>> I realized it's difficult to admit witnessing a crime of this
>>>>> magnitude, especially if implicated oneself. Even G.I .s sympathetic
>>>>> to the victims told me they were afraid to oppose so massive a policy
>>>>> that would surely seek to cover its tracks. I never heard this
>>>>> directly from an officer, but it was the belief of the rank-and-file
>>>>> G.I.s I spoke to that we were not to "talk" because, first, no one
>>>>> would believe us, and second, we would surely get into trouble. They
>>>>> all insisted it was better not to talk, and slowly I too realized it
>>>>> would be futile and dangerous. That is, until now, thanks to James
>>>>> Bacque and Pat Buchanan. This is not to say the danger has passed.
>>>>> Since I "spoke out" recently, my mailbox has been smashed and I have
>>>>> received threatening phone calls. But I believe it is worth the risk.
>>>>> Writing about these atrocities has been a catharsis of feelings
>>>>> suppressed too long, a liberation, and perhaps will remind other
>>>>> witnesses and citizens -that "the truth shall make us free, have no
>>>>> fear." And, in any case, "the truth shall out".
>>>>>
>>>>> We may even learn a supreme lesson from all this: Hate is
>>>>> self-destructive; only love can conquer and evolve all as One.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin Brech
>>>>> (Adjunct Professor,
>>>>> Philosophy & Religion,
>>>>> Mercy College;
>>>>> Ex-G.I., Finally Free)
>>>>> Martin Brech, 187 Archer Road, Mahopac, NY 10541, Tel.: 914-628-6301
>>>>>
>>>>> James Bacque: Did the Allies starve millions of Germans?

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office: VISIT at:
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As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
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should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 21:56:15 +1000, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"kilgore" <jom...@viagra.net> wrote in message
>news:xKE9g.4818$Sh3.2770@trnddc05...
>> George wrote:
>>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e4422j$ij6$1...@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>> http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/for/us-germany-pow.html

>>> They got over it, Ben. Digging up the past as you do only makes you a
>>> bitter man. But then, I doubt if there is a cure for you in that
>>> respect.

>>> George
>> I lost a daughter in 95. I will never get over it. Im sure the close
>> relatives of these people as well as the thousands of German children who
>> were starved to death in Denmark will be remembered for quite some time.
>> The present political climate in Germany is run by people who answer to
>> Washington and Israel.When the Jews say JUMP, the Krauts say Wie hoch?

>Sad, but very true.

>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed,
>> second it is violently opposed, &
>> third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>>
>> - Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860

[Kurt Knoll]

A local guy working in the local bakery was in Eisenhower camp. He told me
about it a long time before the book was published. He said there was next
to now food available. Only the prisoners that pick up the death every
morning did get extra food to maintain their strength. At one time he
remembers very clearly the death bodies were stacked up into a pile. An
American film grew came and took picture of it. Latter on while in Canada
while watching one of the holocaust movies he has seen this scenery portrait
as Jews starving in Auschwitz. I have known this guy for a couple of years
and I have never seen bulshiting once. For me he was an honest and straight
forward person and I will but my trust in him rather than the holohoaxes.

Kurt Knoll.

"Asterix" <Ast...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
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[Asterix]

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.

Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!

Now that more and more German survivors of the post-war genocide by
the US and allies are no longer afraid to testify, perhaps they too
will start demanding reparations for their torture, as did the filthy
ZHIDS for the holohoax?

Rumour is that ZYD photographers used the pictures of dead and dying
Germans in the Eisenhower death camps, as footage for their claims
regarding ZYD concentration camps, for reparations!!

[Asterix]

[Asterix]

[Kurt Knoll]

And the Jews are working on it like always the will discredit or disqualify
James Basque.

Kurt Knoll.

"Asterix" <Ast...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message

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[Jules Striker]

[Theseus Oblivion]

Jules Striker wrote

> This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
> Bacque!
>
> It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
> tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
> victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.
>
> Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
> of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!
>
> Now that more and more German survivors of the post-war genocide by
> the US and allies are no longer afraid to testify, perhaps they too
> will start demanding reparations for their torture, as did the filthy
> ZHIDS for the holohoax?
>
> Rumour is that ZYD photographers used the pictures of dead and dying
> Germans in the Eisenhower death camps, as footage for their claims
> regarding ZYD concentration camps, for reparations!!

What kind of genocide are you talking about? Do you even know what
genocide means?

I am a German living in Germany and i know that your are quite bad
informed. I have first hand information from many german POW's from
that time and i know that the germans where treated very good compared
to POWs in the Sowjetunion... so don't try to bullshit us and the rest
of the world with your fake literature and fake information.

Gruss

[Kenneth McVay OBC]

In article <Xns9825C1AA1500...@theseusoblivion.my-fqdn.de>,

The author is a delusional fruitcake from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Because of his mind
rot, he is often referred to as "Grosvomit."

He is always, as you pointed out, badly informed. He chooses ignorance and hatred over
knowledge, reality and tolerance.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/grosvenor-william
http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=grosvenor+faq

KILLFILE these Grosvenor sockpuppets:
-------------------------------------
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cata...@concentric.net
heinrichh...@xmail.net
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Borked Pseudo Mailed
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KenMcVay
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YitzhakG...@zeouane.fr
Yitzhak_...@nazikor.net
Yitzhak_...@gehenna.net
YitzhakG...@yahoo.fr
--
"All shit like you have is lies and smears. Shit like you
can't refute what I post so shit like you resort to cheap
personal attacks and you wonder why kike filth is hated so much!
(Scott Bradbury, Bellville's leading revisionist scholar)

[Robert Weldon]

"Jules Striker" <JulesS...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
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racist crap deleted

>
> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

Really Grosvenor? You were molested by Ken McVay, got any proof?

>
> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
> for many years around the world.
>

As a service to the public, this note is posted worldwide to remind
everybody that William Grosvenor is alive and well and continues to post his
racist crap from Edmonton, Alberta.

[ChrisO'Neill]

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.

Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!

Now that more and more German survivors of the post-war genocide by
the US and allies are no longer afraid to testify, perhaps they too
will start demanding reparations for their torture, as did the filthy
ZHIDS for the holohoax?

Rumour is that ZYD photographers used the pictures of dead and dying
Germans in the Eisenhower death camps, as footage for their claims
regarding ZYD concentration camps, for reparations!!

"All truth passes through three stages.

First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,

together with

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a

victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH

for many years around the world.

On Sun, 14 May 2006 21:56:15 +1000, "Ben Cramer"

[panPiotrGlownia]

[panPiotrGlownia]

[philip...@comcast.net]

"panPiotrGlownia" <panPiot...@swip.net> wrote in message
news:loc7j2lshqoqql7dl...@4ax.com...

> This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
> Bacque!

And why would you waste your time reading that piece of trash?

http://www.ghi-dc.org/bulletinF98/bulletin_f98.html

"Fact or Fiction? The Historical Profession and James Bacque"
Roundtable discussion at the Annual Meeting of the German Studies
Association, Salt Lake City, October 8-11, 1998. Sponsored by the GHI.
Participants: Günter Bischof (University of New Orleans), Dewey A.
Browder (Austin Peay State University), Wilfried Mausbach (GHI),
Hans-Jürgen Schröder (University of Giessen), Christof Strauß
(University of Heidelberg), Richard D. Wiggers (Georgetown
University).

The topic of discussion for this panel centered around James Bacque's
allegation, made in his recent, controversial book Crimes and Mercies,
that American authorities deliberately starved to death as many as
nine million German civilians after World War II.

Wilfried Mausbach (GHI) challenged Bacque's contention that the
infamous Morgenthau Plan informed American actions. He demonstrated
first that the notion of turning Germany into a huge "farm" was never
part of American postwar planning; second, that the United States's
occupation directive (JCS 1067) was not cast in Morgenthau's mold; and
third, that the negative elements of JCS 1067 were deliberately
postponed, and thereby in effect dismissed, by Military Government
officers in the field. Instead of evaluating the available evidence,
James Bacque's dramaturgy pits villains against heroes and surrenders
scholarly differentiation to populism.

Günter Bischof (University of New Orleans) viewed Bacque's thesis as
part of the trend toward a "paranoid style" in writing recent history.
This style is characterized by five elements: the image of a huge
conspiracy, a self-bestowed duty to save civilization from apocalypse,
a manichean worldview of absolute good versus absolute evil, the
conviction that traitors make history, and the amassing of evidence to
prove a preconceived thesis. Bischof found traces of all these
elements in Bacque's writing, and he bemoaned the publishing
industry's zest for "conspiracy history."

Christof Strauß (University of Heidelberg) examined Bacque's thesis
that approximately one million German POWs perished in American and
French camps by taking a close look at two Prisoner of War Temporary
Enclosures (PWTEs) in Heilbronn. Strauß found that conditions in these
camps indeed did not meet the requirements of the Geneva Convention of
1929. However, to interpret this as evidence of a centrally planned
and implemented policy of starvation neglects overall conditions in
Germany and Europe in the wake of the war and overestimates to a
considerable extent the occupation authorities' scope of action.
Strauß proved that, contrary to Bacque's assertion, the Americans did
allow aid to be delivered to the inmates by representatives of the
German churches, and the International Red Cross also was allowed to
visit the camps. Moreover, between May and December 1945 some 300,000
POWs passed through the Heilbronn PWTEs, and death lists show that
only 283 of them died. This seems to indicate not only that Bacque's
research was poor but also that his overall estimates of deaths are
way too high.

Dewey A. Browder (Austin Peay State University) corroborated this
information. He showed that Bacque manipulated statistics by adding
expellees and repatriated POWs to an early 1946 census that actually
already included more than 1.5 million expellees and repatriates in
addition to the unrepatriated POWs. In counting these people twice,
Bacque finds that there should have been nearly 74 million people in
Germany in 1950 and cries mass murder when that year's census falls
short by 6 million. Professor Browder explained that he personally
pointed out this mistake to Bacque while the Canadian author was
revising his manuscript for publication in English. Bacque, however,
failed to correct his information.

Finally, Richard D. Wiggers (Georgetown University) provided an
analysis of eyewitness accounts by authors who were neither Germans
nor U.S. Military Government employees. He found that these
third-party observers reported and often criticized a stern allied
policy toward the German people. Thus, if there was, as Bacque
alleges, a conspiracy to hide the truth, it must have failed
miserably. Moreover, a close, comprehensive, and unbiased reading of
independent eyewitness accounts suggests that a mass death of millions
of Germans by starvation did not occur in postwar Germany.

The lively discussion, moderated by Hans-Jürgen Schröder (University
of Giessen), addressed James Bacque's motivation for writing fiction
disguised as fact. It was pointed out that Bacque obviously really
believes he has discovered something real and is encouraged by people
in Germany who suffered after 1945 and who feel that their experience
of victimization has gotten short shrift in the history of this
period. However, his neglect of evidence suggests either that he is
unable to acknowledge criticism or that he willfully ignores
information in an effort to cash in on a sensationalist thesis. The
latter supposition led participants to discuss the quixotic nature of
efforts by professional historians to challenge populist histories
promoted by a sensation-driven publishing industry. Some also wondered
whether even the most ludicrous claims merit consideration. There
seemed to be an overall agreement, however, that historians have a
duty to correct gross distortions and refute wild allegations.

Wilfried Mausbach

--

Philip Mathews

[Robert Weldon]

"panPiotrGlownia" <panPiot...@swip.net> wrote in message
news:loc7j2lshqoqql7dl...@4ax.com...

> This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
> Bacque!
>

-crap snipped

> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

Hey Grosvenor, when are you going to tell us how McVay managed to molest
you?

>
> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
> for many years around the world.
>

As a service to the public, this notice is posted to inform everybody that
William Grosvenor (formerly Gruber) is alive and posting his racist crap
from Edmonton, Alberta.

- more snippage

[Kurt Knoll]

I do not know what you are trying to proof here. Like always the main
objectivity is to discredit James Basque. The fact also is that the
morgentau plan was never implemented. It was Winston Churchill who was
opposed to it. The Morgentau plan originally called for the dismantling of
the German industries and make an agar state out of it. Churchill remarks or
questions were "How should we ever get our money for the cost of the war
back from the Germans. And then there was also the outbreak of the cold war
where the Americans need the Germans as allies. The fact also remains the
intentions of the Americans were to starve the German prisoners of war. I
know this a long time before James Basques book came out. A local ex
prisoner of war working here in a bakery told us all about. Your lying her
is nothing but a fake damage control. He was there when they collect the
death bodies were collected every morning

<philip...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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[philip...@comcast.net]

"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net> wrote in message
news:53WYg.151325$5R2.115713@pd7urf3no...

>I do not know what you are trying to proof here. Like always the main

>objectivity is to discredit James Basque.

Which is exactly what scholars have done.

Unlike Nazis like you, they like the evidence to dictate the facts,
not their ideologies.

Bacque was not just discredited, he was shown to not know what he was
talking about.

Don't top post, old Nazi.

--
Philip Mathews

[Kurt Knoll]

Like always you are talking about your Jewish approved experts. Shall we
trust you . I don't thinks so an old saying is once burned twice shy and you
are typical holophotal example of it.

Kurt Knoll.

<philip...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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[philip...@comcast.net]

"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net> wrote in message

news:7RWYg.151637$5R2.117575@pd7urf3no...

> Like always you are talking about your Jewish approved experts.

The scholars weren't Jewish, stupid old Nazi!

Do not top post.

--
Philip Mathews

[Kurt Knoll]

Don't get mixed up sucker I did not say they were Jewish I said they were
not Jewish approved. Can you tell us what the difference is here ?.

Kurt Knoll.

<philip...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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[philip...@comcast.net]

"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net> wrote in message

news:T%XYg.151814$5R2.33489@pd7urf3no...

> Don't get mixed up sucker I did not say they were Jewish

You mean I have you mixed up with something who has a brain?

Do not top post, stupid old Nazi.

--
Philip Mathews

[Jeff Rainer]

"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net> wrote in message

news:7RWYg.151637$5R2.117575@pd7urf3no...

> Like always you are talking about your Jewish approved experts. Shall we
> trust you . I don't thinks so an old saying is once burned twice shy and
> you are typical holophotal example of it.
>
> Kurt Knoll.
>

Before 'Other Losses' came out, my auto mechanic told me of his experiences
in an American POW camp in France. They were intentionally starved, not by
the French but by the US.

[Kurt Knoll]

I have experienced the Americans in action. From May 1945 till about 1947 I
was crunching for food at the local dump.The Americans did dump truckloads
of leftover food at the dump and then poured gasoline over it. After they
left we broke the fire apart and eat whatever was still eatable. There was
still food in some warehouses but the rationing was set low to almost
starvation level. Things did start turning around after the Americans picket
the Russians as their next enemy and the Americans were interested in having
the Germans as canon powder against the Russians.

Kurt Knoll.

"Jeff Rainer" <Jeff_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[Jeff Rainer]

"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net> wrote in message

news:Q45Zg.151825$1T2.112085@pd7urf2no...

>I have experienced the Americans in action. From May 1945 till about 1947
>I was crunching for food at the local dump.The Americans did dump
>truckloads of leftover food at the dump and then poured gasoline over it.
>After they left we broke the fire apart and eat whatever was still eatable.
>There was still food in some warehouses but the rationing was set low to
>almost starvation level. Things did start turning around after the
>Americans picket the Russians as their next enemy and the Americans were
>interested in having the Germans as canon powder against the Russians.
>
> Kurt Knoll.
>

I know for a fact that the US burned Red Cross supplies that were intended
for the German POW's.

[E.F.Schelby]

"Jeff Rainer" <Jeff_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I know for a fact that the US burned Red Cross supplies that were intended
>for the German POW's.

In 1945, German PoWs interned in the US (more than 400.000 of them
by war's end) were put on a hunger diet for several months as soon
as all American POWs had been liberated in Germany. The American
press burst into a nasty campaign charging that these enemy soldiers
were pampered und too well fed. Dispatched for field work, picking
cotton, etc. the Germans had to continue doing tough labor. Some
Hispanic field hands shared their food with them out of compassion.I
have the information (academic articles written by American
historians) in my files.

ES

[Kurt Knoll]

The Americans did capture German POW and did turn them over to the French.
The French shipped them to the coast of Normandy street them naked and
chased thru the mine field, Many of them were blown up. I know this because
my brother who was one of them who did survive.

Kurt Knoll
www.kurtknoll.com

"E.F.Schelby" <sch...@swcp.com> wrote in message
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[GordChartrand]

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,

together with

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a

victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH

for many years around the world.

On Sun, 14 May 2006 21:56:15 +1000, "Ben Cramer"

[BenJKramer]

[Robert Weldon]

"BenJKramer" <BenJK...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:qvqln2hvi6bsmlghq...@4ax.com...

> This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
> Bacque!
>
>

-racist crap snipped

>
> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

Hey Grosvenor, when are you going to tell us all how you were abused by
McVay, I'm keen to find out how he managed that.

>
> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
> for many years around the world.
>

Ironic, since William Grosvenor is still alive and posting his racist crap
from Edmonton, Alberta. As you can see from the post I responded to. Do you
really think your sock puppets will protect you from Canadian hate crimes
legislation Grosvenor?

-more racist crap snipped

[BenJKramer]

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,

together with

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a

victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH

for many years around the world.

On Sun, 14 May 2006 21:56:15 +1000, "Ben Cramer"

[BenyaminJKramer]

[Eugene Holman]

In article <4h7cr2pkngqkov0uj...@4ax.com>,
Benyami...@roc.usenetexchange.com wrote:

> This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
> Bacque!
>
> It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
> tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
> victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.
>
> Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
> of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!
>
> Now that more and more German survivors of the post-war genocide by
> the US and allies are no longer afraid to testify, perhaps they too
> will start demanding reparations for their torture, as did the filthy
> ZHIDS for the holohoax?
>
> Rumour is that ZYD photographers used the pictures of dead and dying Germans
> in the Eisenhower death camps, as footage for their claims regarding ZYD
> concentration camps, for reparations!!
>

<deletions>

Nobody denies that much of Europe was totally trashed immediately after
the collapse of the Reich, or that some German POWs, many of them
teenagres, were treated badly. Nevertheless, Bacque's thesis of a
"genocide" after the war has been challenged. Critics have said that it is
based more on manipulation of statistics than on empirical evidence. Nor,
of course, have the mass graves and death certificates ever been produced.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bacque

<quote>
James Bacque
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

James Bacque is a Canadian novelist and book editor. Bacque was a fiction
writer and essayist before turning his attention, in 1989, to the fate of
German soldiers held as POWs after World War II.

Bacque was educated at Upper Canada College in Toronto, where he was a
member of Seaton's House, one of the school's boarding houses.

In Other Losses (1989), Bacque claimed that Allied Supreme Commander
Dwight Eisenhower deliberately caused the starvation of almost a million
German prisoners of war from 1944 to 1949. Bacque argued that this alleged
mass murder was a direct result of the policies of the western Allies,
who, with the Soviets, ruled as the Military Occupation Government over
partitioned Germany from May 1945 until 1949. In a subsequent book, Crimes
And Mercies (2003), Bacque claimed that western Allied policies led to the
premature deaths of millions of German civilians by starvation after World
War Two.

Other Losses received initial support from a number of historians,
including Richard Overy and Desmond Morton. Stephen Ambrose acknowledged
that Bacque had made a "major historical discovery", in the sense that
very little attention had hitherto been paid to the treatment of German
POWs in Allied hands. However, the overwhelming majority of professional
historians who have investigated them reject Bacque's central claims. For
instance, Sir John Keegan has referred to Bacque's argument as "entirely
bogus" and "a crackpot assertion".[1] Richard J. Evans, a scholar of the
Third Reich, has referred to Bacque's book as having been "exposed as a
tissue of errors and falsehoods (with) as little historical credibility as
Holocaust denial." He goes on to state that, "Bacque's work has been shown
to rest on the manipulation of statistics."[2] Writing in the Canadian
Historical Review, David Stafford called the book "a classic example of a
worthwhile investigation marred by polemic and overstatement."[3] R.J.
Rummell, a scholar of 20th-century atrocities, has written that "Basque
misread, misinterpreted, or ignored the relevant documents and that his
mortality statistics are simply impossible." [4]. More recently, writing
in the Encyclopedia of Prisoners of War and Internment, S.P. MacKenzie
states, "That German prisoners were treated very badly in the months
immediately after the war...is beyond dispute. All in all, however,
Bacque's thesis and mortality figures cannot be taken as accurate"[5].

Criticism of Bacque is not confined to mainstream historians. Professor
Gabriel Kolko - a well known radical historian and critic of American
foreign policy - has written that Bacque's use of statistics is
"completely fallacious."[6] Edward S. Herman, another radical critic of
American foreign policy and a frequent collaborator with Noam Chomsky, has
written that Bacque's claims are "a huge exaggeration based on a
misreading and concocting of evidence."[7].
Much lower figures for postwar German POW mortality have been given by
other German and American sources. See, for instance: Rheinwiesenlager.
Bacque's critics note many of the German soldiers were sick and wounded at
the time of their surrender, and say his work does not place the plight of
the German prisoners within the context of the grim situation in Western
Europe in 1945 and 1946.

A book length disputation of Bacque's claims, entitled Eisenhower and the
German POWs, appeared in 1992, featuring essays by British, American, and
German historians. Stephen Ambrose, the editor of the volume, acknowledged
that Bacque's work was significant in that it had drawn attention to the
ill-treatment of German POWs in Allied captivity. However, Ambrose and his
colleagues uniformly rejected Bacque's central thesis: that almost a
million German POWs had died in Western Allied captivity. "Scholars...will
find Mr. Bacque's work to be worse than worthless," Ambrose wrote in the
New York Times. "It is seriously - nay, spectacularly - flawed in its most
fundamental aspects."
Bacque's Crimes and Mercies met with far less hostility from historians,
who acknowledge the deaths of hundreds of thousands of German soldiers and
civilians held in Soviet captivity, and possibly up to two million
civilians who died in the mass expulsions of Germans from East Prussia,
Pomerania, western Poland, Silesia, the Sudetenland and Romania. It should
be noted, however, that the book was not widely reviewed by the scholarly
press.[8]

Bacque's historical works are sometimes defended, not so much on their
factual accuracy, but because they have spurred further research into the
important question of the treatment of German POWs and German civilians at
the end of the Second World War, a topic about which English-speaking
historians have shown comparatively little interest. As Stephen Ambrose
conceded, "we as Americans can't duck the fact that terrible things
happened. And they happened at the end of a war we fought for decency and
freedom, and they are not excusable."[9]

Notes
1. ^ John Keegan,The Battle for History (Toronto: Vintage Books, 1995),10.
2. ^ http://www.hdot.org/evidence/evans003.asp
3. ^ Canadian Historical Review [Canada] 1990 71(Sep): 408-409.
4. ^ Power Kills Chapter 13. Available on line at:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP13.HTM
5. ^ S.P. Mackenzie in J. Vance, ed. The Encyclopedia of Internment and
Prisoners of War, 294
6. ^ cited by Stafford, op.cit.
7. ^ Z-MagazineJanuary 1996. Available on-line at:
http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/jan96letters.htm
8. ^ The sixty-two historical and forty-one political science journals
indexed on JSTOR for instance, include not a single review this work.
9. ^ Ike's Revenge? Time Magazine, Monday, Oct. 2, 1989
</quote>

Regards,
Eugene Holman

[Kurt Knoll]

A good friend of mine was in Eisenhower's death camp. He told me some 20
years ago he has seen the collecting the death bodies. At one time he said
all the bodies were staked up in one huge pile and an American film grew
came in and took some picture. He has seen the synergy latter one in Canada
where the death bodies were displayed as prisoners killed by the Germans.

Kurt Knoll.

"BenyaminJKramer" <Benyami...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:4h7cr2pkngqkov0uj...@4ax.com...

[Kurt Knoll]

There maybe be still some of Ikes prisoners alive today. The only problem is
see here they will never be allowed to testify.

Kurt Knoll.

"Eugene Holman" <hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2301...@ke-hupnet55-26.hupnet.helsinki.fi...

[B'inyamin Cramer]

"Eugene Holman" <hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2301...@ke-hupnet55-26.hupnet.helsinki.fi...

> In article <4h7cr2pkngqkov0uj...@4ax.com>,
> Benyami...@roc.usenetexchange.com wrote:
>
>> This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
>> Bacque!
>>
>> It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
>> tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
>> victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.
>>
>> Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
>> of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!
>>
>> Now that more and more German survivors of the post-war genocide by
>> the US and allies are no longer afraid to testify, perhaps they too
>> will start demanding reparations for their torture, as did the filthy
>> ZHIDS for the holohoax?
>>
>> Rumour is that ZYD photographers used the pictures of dead and dying
>> Germans
>> in the Eisenhower death camps, as footage for their claims regarding ZYD
>> concentration camps, for reparations!!
>>
> <deletions>
>
> Nobody denies that much of Europe was totally trashed immediately after
> the collapse of the Reich, or that some German POWs, many of them
> teenagres, were treated badly. Nevertheless, Bacque's thesis of a
> "genocide" after the war has been challenged. Critics have said that it is
> based more on manipulation of statistics than on empirical evidence. Nor,
> of course, have the mass graves and death certificates ever been produced.

In similar vein to your precious Holocaust(tm). That hasn't stopped you
clowns from pushing that litle story down our throats.

Why don't you try for a little consistency, huh?

[JimMcCarthy]

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.

Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!

Now that more and more German survivors of the post-war genocide by
the US and allies are no longer afraid to testify, perhaps they too
will start demanding reparations for their torture, as did the filthy
ZHIDS for the holohoax?

Rumour is that ZYD photographers used the pictures of dead and dying Germans
in the Eisenhower death camps, as footage for their claims regarding ZYD
concentration camps, for reparations!!

[Robert Weldon]

"JimMcCarthy" <JimMc...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:c0s703h7rskjl0743...@4ax.com...

> This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
> Bacque!
>

racist crap snipped

>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

Hey Grosvenor, when are you going to tell us how McVay molested you?

>
> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
> for many years around the world.
>

I see that Grosvenor is still posting his racist swill. I am surprised that
he hasn't been prosecuted under Canada's hate crimes legislation. Maybe
they could deport him too.

-more crap snipped

[MBaguette]

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,

together with

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a

victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH

for many years around the world.

On Sun, 14 May 2006 21:56:15 +1000, "Ben Cramer"

[Robert Weldon]

"MBaguette" <MBag...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:p1qv03p1pkm38poob...@4ax.com...

> This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
> Bacque!

-racist crap snipped

>
> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

When are you going to tell us how McVay molested you, Grosvenor?

>
> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
> for many years around the world.
>

Of course everyone knows that Grosvenor is alive and living in Edmonton,
Alberta, where he continues to post his racist crap.

-more crap snipped

[ArthurFranks]

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,

together with

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a

victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH

for many years around the world.

On Sun, 14 May 2006 21:56:15 +1000, "Ben Cramer"

[Matthias Kern]

ArthurFranks <Arthur...@roc.usenetexchange.com> schrieb:

[x] Thx for proofing being an idiot.

F'up alt.idiots

[KenKnoll]

[Matthias Kern]

KenKnoll <KenK...@roc.usenetexchange.com> schrieb:

[x] Please follow your qualifications

f'up alt.idiots

[KenLouis]

[MattKern]

[Kurt Knoll]

A good friend of mine was in Ikes death camp. More than 20 years ago he dolt
me how they did pickup the death bodies every mooning. On day an American
film grew came in and the bodies were stack up into a big pile. They did
take pictures and he has it here in Canada where the were portrayed as Jews
killed by the Germans.

Kurt Knoll.

"MattKern" <Matt...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:n8rt53d295aco5paf...@4ax.com...

[Kenneth McVay OBC]

In article <3cC7i.241852$DE1.144409@pd7urf2no>,

Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll <kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>A good friend of mine was in Ikes death camp. More than 20 years ago he dolt
>me how they did pickup the death bodies every mooning. On day an American
>film grew came in and the bodies were stack up into a big pile. They did
>take pictures and he has it here in Canada where the were portrayed as Jews
>killed by the Germans.

A good friend of mine told me Leading Revisionist Scholar Knoll is a moron
and a liar of monumental proportions.

Can Leading Revisionist Scholar Knoll, the Village Idiot of Kitimat,
prove this "good friend" exists?

No, of course not. The "friend" is a complete fabrication.

Can LRS Knoll prove this "friend" was ever in any sort of camp?

No, of course not.

His tribe is well known for its racism and its lies.

--
"No, I myself am not anti-Semitic, I just don't like Jews!"
(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/

[Sara Salzman]

In article <3cC7i.241852$DE1.144409@pd7urf2no>,
"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> A good friend of mine was in Ikes death camp. More than 20 years ago he dolt
> me how they did pickup the death bodies every mooning. On day an American
> film grew came in and the bodies were stack up into a big pile. They did
> take pictures and he has it here in Canada where the were portrayed as Jews
> killed by the Germans.
>
> Kurt Knoll.

A good friend of mine dolt me that Kurt Knoll is indeed, a dolt.

--
Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid.
  - Heinrich Heine, eerily summing up the persona of "Ben Cramer"

[Kenneth McVay OBC]

In article <catamont-58B39E...@news.giganews.com>,

Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>In article <3cC7i.241852$DE1.144409@pd7urf2no>,
> "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> A good friend of mine was in Ikes death camp. More than 20 years ago he dolt
>> me how they did pickup the death bodies every mooning. On day an American
>> film grew came in and the bodies were stack up into a big pile. They did
>> take pictures and he has it here in Canada where the were portrayed as Jews
>> killed by the Germans.
>>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
>A good friend of mine dolt me that Kurt Knoll is indeed, a dolt.

And, unlike Leading Revisionist Scholar Knoll, the Blithering Bloviator
of British Columbia, you can actually *produce* that friend; hell, he dolt me the very
same thing :-)

(Do you think he'll ever get it?)

--
"We all know it but they will have us believe they have absolutely no
influence on governments. Not believing it would be anti emetic."

[Kurt Knoll]

There you go Sara whatever turns you on.

Kurt Knoll.

"Sara Salzman" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:catamont-58B39E...@news.giganews.com...

[Jules Striker]

[Kurt Knoll]

The holohoaxers will not like it. a Friend of mine was in IKS death camp and
I did hear about it long before the book came out.

Kurt Knoll.

"Jules Striker" <JulesS...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:alvf73tvfrf8cnffi...@4ax.com...

[Robert Weldon]

"Jules Striker" <JulesS...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:alvf73tvfrf8cnffi...@4ax.com...

racist crap snipped

Well Grosvenor, looks like you really want to be deported for hate crimes
like your hero Zundel. And when are you going to learn not to talk to
yourself, you are not fooling anybody with your sockpuppets.

> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

Care to tell us how he molested you Grosvenor?

>
> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
> for many years around the world.
>

Funny, since Grosvenor still posts his racist crap and whining from his dump
of a house in Edmonton, Alberta.

>
-rest snipped

[Kurt Knoll]

We know you are against any critic about the holohoax what exactly is it you
are trying to hide.

Kurt Knoll.

"Robert Weldon" <rweldon....@jrpspamblock.ca> wrote in message
news:Jbfei.41605$NV3.34763@pd7urf2no...

[george]

On Jun 21, 9:18 am, "Kurt Knoll" <kkno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> We know you are against any critic about the holohoax what exactly is it you
> are trying to hide.
>

Riiiight.
It would appear that this miserable representative of the third Reich
fails to remember the onus placed upon the Allies to feed the German
civilian populations who were left to die of starvation by Hitlers
minions...
And he posts his racial tirades from Canada who lost many good young
men to prevent his type of evil from taking over the world

[Kurt Knoll]

This discussion has nothing to do with the 3rd Reich. What we are interested
in are all the facts and without any restrictions. Hindering people like you
Jews do makes us even curios.

Kurt Knoll.

"george" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message
news:1182388258....@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

[Patrick Keenan]

"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Mukei.43595$xq1.685@pd7urf1no...

> This discussion has nothing to do with the 3rd Reich.

Sure it does, since these troops wouldn't have been in Germany at all if the
3rd Reich government hadn't started the war.

> What we are interested in are all the facts and without any restrictions.

Then don't ignore them.

And by the way, the person restricting you from your investigations is you.

HTH
-pk

[Kurt Knoll]

Can you read ? Would it not be nice to read all the facts by comparing the
rhetoric that took place leading to the war.

Kurt Knoll.

"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
news:137jsuh...@news.supernews.com...

[Robert Weldon]

"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:cQgei.42747$1i1.5099@pd7urf3no...

> We know you are against any critic about the holohoax what exactly is it
> you are trying to hide.
>
> Kurt Knoll.

I am not trying to hide anything. When I see someone posting racist crap,
and in Grosvenor's case, hiding behind sockpuppets and trying to pretend he
is dead, I call him on it.

[Kurt Knoll]

There you go Guy. I have been exposit to racist remarks for more than 50
years in Canada here. As a landed Immigrant of German heritage I have been
called German Nazi and other remarks on a daily basis. As a matter of fact I
can tell you many remarks are geared to explode the German Immigrants. For
many years I did have the feeling I came her to kiss your ass.

Kurt Knoll.

"Robert Weldon" <rweldon....@jrpspamblock.ca> wrote in message

news:31Fei.50423$1i1.40080@pd7urf3no...

[Patrick Keenan]

"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:6Ymei.44485$NV3.37294@pd7urf2no...
> Can you read ?

Yes, I can, and do. Can you put down your beer and think?

> Would it not be nice to read all the facts by comparing the rhetoric that
> took place leading to the war.

People do, and you can too. The only thing stopping you from doing this is
you.

-pk

[george]

On Jun 21, 4:16 pm, "Kurt Knoll" <kkno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Can you read ? Would it not be nice to read all the facts by comparing the
> rhetoric that took place leading to the war.

Yeah.
Don't invade Poland....

[Kurt Knoll]

Don't being Corrupt and wars will not start.

Kurt Knoll.

"george" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message

news:1182488479.1...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

[Jules Striker]

together with

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a

victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH

for many years around the world.

On Sun, 14 May 2006 21:56:15 +1000, "Ben Cramer"

[zinnic]

On Jun 21, 10:01 pm, "Patrick Keenan" <t...@dev.null> wrote:
> "Kurt Knoll" <kkno...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:6Ymei.44485$NV3.37294@pd7urf2no...
>
> > Can you read ?
>
> Yes, I can, and do. Can you put down your beer and think?
>
> > Would it not be nice to read all the facts by comparing the rhetoric that
> > took place leading to the war.
>
> People do, and you can too. The only thing stopping you from doing this is
> you.
>
> -pk
>
>
>
>
>
> > Kurt Knoll.
>

> > "Patrick Keenan" <t...@dev.null> wrote in message
> >news:137jsuh...@news.supernews.com...
> >> "Kurt Knoll" <kkno...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >>>> men to prevent his type of evil from taking over the world- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Stop being so nasty to the kurt knoll troll. I, and thousands of my
friends, who died in Eisenhower camps are living testaments to his
verisimilitude!
Z

[.-- .- -... -. .. --. @.-----.DOT.-- H. Wabnig]

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:36:59 -0000, zinnic <zeen...@gate.net> wrote:

>....

>
>Stop being so nasty to the kurt knoll troll. I, and thousands of my
>friends, who died in Eisenhower camps are living testaments to his
>verisimilitude!
>Z

>Stop being so nasty to the kurt knoll troll.

ok, just stop, or not, who cares, now comes the interesting part:

> I, and thousands of my
>friends, who died in Eisenhower camps

So you died in an Eisenhower camp?
Together with thousands.
Friends, you say.

A man may have some dozens of friends,
usually one has only a few people which one would
regard as a friend, a heritage from our ape times,
because ape hordes rarely exceed an individuum count of 30.

> are living testaments to his
>verisimilitude!
>Z

Now, since you died, according to your own words,
together with your friends in an Eisenhower camp,
you impossibly can be a living testament,
rather you are a dead dog by now.
Rotten dust you are.

w.
--
soc.culture.austria answering service
proposals and complaints to:
sal...@nacl.at

[Kurt Knoll]

He I did not know you did die in Eisenhower's death camp. How did you get
back to the living from the death.

Kurt Knoll.

"zinnic" <zeen...@gate.net> wrote in message
news:1182785819....@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

[zeen...@gate.net]

On Jun 25, 12:12 pm, "Kurt Knoll" <kkno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> He I did not know you did die in Eisenhower's death camp. How did you get
> back to the living from the death.
>
> Kurt Knoll.
>

Durch mein wille aus eisen. Eisenhower was a hopelessly incompetent
exterminator. Silly guy tried to starve us by feeding us GI rations.
J'accuse! Was there ever a worse war crime?
Z

> "zinnic" <zeenr...@gate.net> wrote in message

> > Z- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Mit mein will aus eisen.

[zeen...@gate.net]

On Jun 25, 11:23 am, H. Wabnig <.... .-- .- -... -. .. --.
@ .- --- -. DOT .- -> wrote:

> salz...@nacl.at

You have to accept my words in the 'spirit' they were offered!

[Kurt Knoll]

Why did he exterminate ?. He gave orders not to feed the prisoners. My
friend was watching it every morning when they came with truck picking up
the death. The should still be some survivor be alive. Why did it take a
Canadian to write about it ? Could it be the Germans were never allowed to
make this case public.

Kurt Knoll.

<zeen...@gate.net> wrote in message
news:1182799454....@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

[.-- .- -... -. .. --. @.-----.DOT.-- H. Wabnig]

You did not offer me any spirit, that is, alcoholic beverage,
unfortunately, would have appreciated it greatly.

w.
--
soc.culture.austria answering service
proposals and complaints to:

sal...@nacl.at

[Kurt Knoll]

Talking about spirit , in wine is the truth auf Deutsch Kinder und Narren
sagen die warheit.

Kurt Knoll.

"H. Wabnig" <.... .-- .- -... -. .. --. @ .- --- -. DOT .- -> wrote in
message news:4db083tj4ikk650rb...@4ax.com...

[.-- .- -... -. .. --. @.-----.DOT.-- H. Wabnig]

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:52:18 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Why did he exterminate ?. He gave orders not to feed the prisoners. My
>friend was watching it every morning when they came with truck picking up
>the death. The should still be some survivor be alive. Why did it take a
>Canadian to write about it ? Could it be the Germans were never allowed to
>make this case public.
>
>Kurt Knoll.

my wife's father was there, in one of the Rheinwiesen lagers,
he confirms the killings and the systematic starvation
of the POW's..
he is still alive, you may ask him, but he does not like that topic.
Strange, how many of the elder generation just keep silent.

What he reported though, is how the white Americans
used to beat and harrass their black comrades.

Americans are God's shit.

[Doc Tony]

Kurt Knoll wrote:

> Why did he exterminate ?. He gave orders not to feed the prisoners. My
> friend was watching it every morning when they came with truck picking up
> the death. The should still be some survivor be alive. Why did it take a
> Canadian to write about it ? Could it be the Germans were never allowed to
> make this case public.
>
> Kurt Knoll.
>

BIZZZZZZZZZZZ! Readers! There's your, shall we say, 'gas' alert, albeit
of the reverse lower corpus methane mix variety, when the alte Puppe®
Kurt Knoll 'again' cites "a friend" who just happen to see it all and
naturally told Kurt! You know, the same 'friend' who told Kurt and as
duly 'reported' by Kurt to the newsgroups:

The 'friend/guy I did know who did tell me' ....

1. "... about the 'Polish attack' [!] on the Gleiwitz Rundfunk!" [sic]

2. "... my brother Werner and other German POWS being chased naked [Kurt
variations over the years: "forced to run"] through the minefields and
then "all" [sic] of them to French slave labor coal mines." [sic]

3. "... the Jewish ash pile at Auschwitz blowing away in the wind!"
[sic]

4. " ... the American photographers taking the bodies of 'Volk' from the
'Einsenhower death camps' and then dragging them from place to place in
KZ clothes and saying they were 'Jewish' KZ victims when they were
really German soldiers!" [sic]

And on and on and on ad infinitum for years now from 'Heimat' yarns to
'Canada' yarns -- always the same --- KNOLL FLATUS A LA MODE!

Doc Tony
Der Stadt Darmstadt
;-)

The one, the ONLY, "unser Knolli wieder' [sic -- DSPM German newsgroup
and Kurt "proving he is right"!: "When I wend and stuck my penis in my
ear, I know that I am right!" [sic -- Ohh yes! --- Kurt Knoll].

With or without his, shall we say, "sauce" for source as it were ...

[Kurt Knoll]

"H. Wabnig" <.... .-- .- -... -. .. --. @ .- --- -. DOT .- -> wrote in

message news:hhb0831rnvb1606v4...@4ax.com...

What you just wrote is what the holohoaxers do not want you to know.

Kurt Knoll
Kitimat British Columbia Canada

[Venceremos2]

[Kurt Knoll]

It took Bacque! more than 6 years before he had access to the archives. A
very clear indication how they hose people around preventing them to get
access to all the facts.

Kurt Knoll.

"Venceremos2" <Vence...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:o3f4939ksskkid6j0...@4ax.com...

[Greg Carver]

[Matthias Kern]

Greg Carver <GregC...@roc.usenetexchange.com> schrieb:

> This is more than true,..

[x] indeed it is true you passed the idiots test by posting in 7 ngs.
Please follow up to alt.idiots.

[Art Franks]

[Matthias Kern]

Art Franks <ArtF...@usenetexchange.com> schrieb:

>
> It seems ...

No, it is true, you passed the idiots test by posting in 8 (eight)
newsgroups.

Please follow up to alt.idiots

[Matt Kern]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:34 -0700, in soc.culture.jewish J Young
<youngi...@aol.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, the horrors of WWII continued well after May 8, 1945.

http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/eisenhower.html

[Mattias Kern]

[Kurt Knoll]

"Mattias Kern" <Matti...@usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:4a7oe3tavmfrii7k2...@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:34 -0700, in soc.culture.jewish J Young
> <youngi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, the horrors of WWII continued well after May 8, 1945.
>
> http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/eisenhower.html
>
>
> This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
> Bacque!

I do have the book other losses. A friend of mine was in Eisenhower's camp
dolt me about years before the book was written what he saw. The book other
loses confirms what he said was true.

Kurt Knoll.
Canada

[Robert Weldon]

"Mattias Kern" <Matti...@usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:4a7oe3tavmfrii7k2...@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:34 -0700, in soc.culture.jewish J Young
> <youngi...@aol.com> wrote:
>

-racist crap snipped

Hey Grosvenor, nice job providing more evidence for your upcoming hate
crimes trial. You are determined to get deported like your hero Zundel,
aren't you?

> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>

Are you ever going to tell us how McVay molested you Grosvenor?

> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
> for many years around the world.
>

And of course, William Grosvenor is alive and continues to post his whining
and racist crap from Edmonton, Alberta.

-more snippage

[Mattias Kern]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:34 -0700, in soc.culture.jewish J Young
<youngi...@aol.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, the horrors of WWII continued well after May 8, 1945.

http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/eisenhower.html

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,

together with

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a

victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH

for many years around the world.

On Sun, 14 May 2006 21:56:15 +1000, "Ben Cramer"

[Proposition 13]

[Philip Mathews]

On Oct 4, 11:48 am, Proposition 13 <Propositio...@usenetexchange.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:34 -0700, in soc.culture.jewish J Young
>

> <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, the horrors of WWII continued well after May 8, 1945.
>
> http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/eisenhower.html
>
> This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
> Bacque!
>
> It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
> tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
> victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.

http://www.ghi-dc.org/publications/ghipubs/bu/023/bulletin_f98.html#Fact

"Fact or Fiction? The Historical Profession and James Bacque"
Roundtable discussion at the Annual Meeting of the German Studies
Association, Salt Lake City, October 8-11, 1998. Sponsored by the GHI.
Participants: Günter Bischof (University of New Orleans), Dewey A.
Browder (Austin Peay State University), Wilfried Mausbach (GHI), Hans-
Jürgen Schröder (University of Giessen), Christof Strauß (University
of Heidelberg), Richard D. Wiggers (Georgetown University).

The topic of discussion for this panel centered around James Bacque's
allegation, made in his recent, controversial book Crimes and Mercies,
that American authorities deliberately starved to death as many as
nine million German civilians after World War II.

Wilfried Mausbach (GHI) challenged Bacque's contention that the
infamous Morgenthau Plan informed American actions. He demonstrated
first that the notion of turning Germany into a huge "farm" was never
part of American postwar planning; second, that the United States's
occupation directive (JCS 1067) was not cast in Morgenthau's mold; and
third, that the negative elements of JCS 1067 were deliberately
postponed, and thereby in effect dismissed, by Military Government
officers in the field. Instead of evaluating the available evidence,
James Bacque's dramaturgy pits villains against heroes and surrenders
scholarly differentiation to populism.

Günter Bischof (University of New Orleans) viewed Bacque's thesis as
part of the trend toward a "paranoid style" in writing recent history.
This style is characterized by five elements: the image of a huge
conspiracy, a self-bestowed duty to save civilization from apocalypse,
a manichean worldview of absolute good versus absolute evil, the
conviction that traitors make history, and the amassing of evidence to
prove a preconceived thesis. Bischof found traces of all these
elements in Bacque's writing, and he bemoaned the publishing
industry's zest for "conspiracy history."

Christof Strauß (University of Heidelberg) examined Bacque's thesis
that approximately one million German POWs perished in American and
French camps by taking a close look at two Prisoner of War Temporary
Enclosures (PWTEs) in Heilbronn. Strauß found that conditions in these
camps indeed did not meet the requirements of the Geneva Convention of
1929. However, to interpret this as evidence of a centrally planned
and implemented policy of starvation neglects overall conditions in
Germany and Europe in the wake of the war and overestimates to a
considerable extent the occupation authorities' scope of action.
Strauß proved that, contrary to Bacque's assertion, the Americans did
allow aid to be delivered to the inmates by representatives of the
German churches, and the International Red Cross also was allowed to
visit the camps. Moreover, between May and December 1945 some 300,000
POWs passed through the Heilbronn PWTEs, and death lists show that
only 283 of them died. This seems to indicate not only that Bacque's
research was poor but also that his overall estimates of deaths are
way too high.

Dewey A. Browder (Austin Peay State University) corroborated this
information. He showed that Bacque manipulated statistics by adding
expellees and repatriated POWs to an early 1946 census that actually
already included more than 1.5 million expellees and repatriates in
addition to the unrepatriated POWs. In counting these people twice,
Bacque finds that there should have been nearly 74 million people in
Germany in 1950 and cries mass murder when that year's census falls
short by 6 million. Professor Browder explained that he personally
pointed out this mistake to Bacque while the Canadian author was
revising his manuscript for publication in English. Bacque, however,
failed to correct his information.

Finally, Richard D. Wiggers (Georgetown University) provided an
analysis of eyewitness accounts by authors who were neither Germans
nor U.S. Military Government employees. He found that these third-
party observers reported and often criticized a stern allied policy
toward the German people. Thus, if there was, as Bacque alleges, a
conspiracy to hide the truth, it must have failed miserably. Moreover,
a close, comprehensive, and unbiased reading of independent eyewitness
accounts suggests that a mass death of millions of Germans by
starvation did not occur in postwar Germany.

The lively discussion, moderated by Hans-Jürgen Schröder (University
of Giessen), addressed James Bacque's motivation for writing fiction
disguised as fact. It was pointed out that Bacque obviously really
believes he has discovered something real and is encouraged by people
in Germany who suffered after 1945 and who feel that their experience
of victimization has gotten short shrift in the history of this
period. However, his neglect of evidence suggests either that he is
unable to acknowledge criticism or that he willfully ignores
information in an effort to cash in on a sensationalist thesis. The
latter supposition led participants to discuss the quixotic nature of
efforts by professional historians to challenge populist histories
promoted by a sensation-driven publishing industry. Some also wondered
whether even the most ludicrous claims merit consideration. There
seemed to be an overall agreement, however, that historians have a
duty to correct gross distortions and refute wild allegations.

--
Philip Mathews

[Benjamin Cramer]

"Proposition 13" <Propos...@usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:ip2ag319t89pslkv8...@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:34 -0700, in soc.culture.jewish J Young
> <youngi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, the horrors of WWII continued well after May 8, 1945.
>
> http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/eisenhower.html

Here's a little something to add to the horror stories.

Operation Keelhaul
From the World Affairs Brief:
OPERATION KEELHAUL The prime source for this US-led travesty is Julius
Epstein's Operation Keelhaul The Story of Forced Repatriation (Devin-Adair,
1973). Julius Epstein was one of the prime researchers for the belated
Congressional investigation of the State Department's cover-up of Russian
involvement in the Katyn Forest murders. While searching through military
archives during his investigation, he discovered evidence of a top secret
program of forced repatriation, called Operation Keelhaul, which is still
classified to this day. Obviously the US has some very dirty secrets they
still want hidden.
Although the US signed international agreements opposing forced
repatriation, and verbally assured they world they would never countenance
such actions, they inserted fine print in these documents excepting from the
ban all those who originated from nations given over to the Soviets at the
close of WWII. While claiming to "make the world safe for Democracy,"
Roosevelt and his cronies condemned millions to slave labor camps. The
Allies even kept secret from the world the fact that Stalin was holding over
5,000 Allied soldiers as hostages in order to make sure that the West
complied with his demands for repatriation. US and British troops had to
beat, drug, and drive at gunpoint these millions of liberty loving people
back to Russia. Even after doing so, Stalin never did return American and
British prisoners. They died in the Soviet Gulags. The US still refuses to
open the archives about their fate.

Even refugees that had fled from WWI and who had already been integrated
into Western society were driven back into Stalin's work camps. Thousands of
Eastern Germans had fled the advancing Russian armies in order to find a
haven in the West. Most were driven back to slavery. Almost a million
anti-Communist Russian soldiers under Russian General Vlasov had defected to
the Germans in hopes of freeing Russia from Stalin's grasp. They had never
become Nazis, but had agreed to fight on the German side solely for purposes
of achieving Russian liberty. At the war's end, they pushed West desperately
trying to seek asylum, or to at least the designation of prisoners of war,
so they could be protected under the Geneva Convention. US military leaders
expressly guaranteed that Gen. Vlasov's men would never be turned back over
to the Soviets. But under General Eisenhower, in consultation with the State
Department, the US went back on their word of honor. Headquarters refused to
designate them POWs or give them asylum, and eventually turned them over to
the Russians. All their military leaders were shot or hanged. The rest went
to Soviet labor camps. Some committed suicide before falling into Russian
hands, knowing of their fate.

This entire operation was filled with horror stories. Let there be no
ambivalence in our conclusions. US and British leaders were guilty of war
crimes. Allied soldiers shot innocent men trying to escape as they were
being forcibly repatriated. Soldiers used clubs to beat hundreds of men
senseless, then dragged them onto trucks and ships. When deportees would
disable a Russian ship, Americans would come aboard, subdue the resisters
and make the repairs. Americans and British leaders have on their heads the
blood of hundreds who committed suicide rather than being sent back, as well
as of all those who eventually died in Stalin's work camps. These were
criminal acts and American soldiers and officers should have refused to
follow orders. Only a handful did and they were treated with severe threats
and/or punishments. A few American servicemen allowed prisoners to escape,
having pity on them. But, by in large, American and British servicemen were
no more moral or courageous in standing up against evil military orders than
their German counterparts.

The Allies used grand deceptions and lies to trick victims into submitting
to forced repatriation. Here is one egregious example from Epstein's book.

"General Shkuro and his Ukranian Cossack troops had long been known to be
anti-Bolsheviks. Gen Shkuro, himself, had emigrated after World War I and
had never been a Soviet citizen. He felt he was safe from repatriation. The
Cossacks had fought for Germany and surrendered to British troops. They
demanded political asylum for which they easily qualified. The British
confiscated all their Western currency and held them in detention. They were
told on May 28 that all officers and enlisted men were to attend a
conference with higher British authorities, and would be transported by
truck. This seemed implausible. Why transport everyone in trucks when the
British could come to them? When the Cossacks started to feel nervous about
the destination, an English Lieutenant said, 'I assure you on my word of
honor as a British officer that you are just going to a conference.' Another
British officer gave the same assurance. The convoy was guarded, which did
nothing to alleviate the Cossack's anxiety. A few jumped from the trucks and
escaped into the forest. They were the smart ones. Those that trusted the
British ended up at a prisoner of war camp in Spittal, Austria (in the
Russian sector of control). A British officer then informed them that, 'in
accordance with an agreement concluded between the military authorities of
the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union, all officers will be put at the
disposal of Soviet military authorities.' A Cossack General asked the
officer when the agreement was signed. He replied, 'On May 23 of this year
(1945).'" According to Epstein, one Cossack officer remarked, "The NKVD or
the Gestapo would have slain us with truncheons, the British did it with
their word of honor." There were multiple suicides that night in the camp,
and all of the others had to be subdued by clubs and rifle butts as none
would leave the camp voluntarily.

The US and Britain represented the highest images of liberty and freedom for
the rest of the world laboring under Nazi or Communist domination. To have
betrayed these 6 million persons (quite another holocaust) certainly caused
many behind the iron curtain to vow never to trust the West again. Indeed,
the Communists used this very argument with those who had been forcibly
repatriated. To those who had been released after years of camp labor, a
commissar said, "Whether they were Vlasov men or prisoners of war who did
not want to return to the motherland does not matter now. All their sins
have been forgiven. But the English and American bayonets, truncheons,
machine guns and tanks used against them will never be forgotten. No Russian
will ever forget Lienz, Dachau, Plattling, Toronto and other places of
extradition, including New York, And they must never be forgotten. It is a
lesson all Russians must learn well. For it show that you cannot trust the
capitalist states in the future." The West had provided the Communists with
the best argument for deterring future defections from the Soviet state.

[Kurt Knoll]

"Art Franks" <ArtF...@usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:kjgtd3l47eeros726...@4ax.com...

> This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
> Bacque!
>
> It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
> tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
> victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.
>
> Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
> of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!
>
> Now that more and more German survivors of the post-war genocide by
> the US and allies are no longer afraid to testify, perhaps they too
> will start demanding reparations for their torture, as did the filthy
> ZHIDS for the holohoax?
>
> Rumour is that ZYD photographers used the pictures of dead and dying
> Germans
> in the Eisenhower death camps, as footage for their claims regarding ZYD
> concentration camps, for reparations!!
>

You are absolutely right here. I did know a guy with the Name Richard
Bohlscheider who was in IKS death camp. He did witness how every morning
they picket up the death German soldiers. At one time he said thy did pile
all the German Prisoners did undress them and did stack them up in one pile.
An American film grew came and did take pictures. While in Kanda latter on
he has seen this scenery portrait as Jew starved by the Nazis. This was over
25 years ago and did not trust him completely. Having read the book by James
Basque I mist concede the guy was right.
Ohne Lügen wäre es kein Holocaust.

Kurt Knoll. Kitimat British Columbia Canada.