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WHY SHOULDN'S IRAQIS FIGHT BACK?

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swagman

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Aug 20, 2003, 9:21:09 PM8/20/03
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Story creep in Baghdad. Yesterday, the reported vehicle used for the bombing
was a cement mixer truck. Today, the claim is that a flatbed truck with 15
pounds of military explosives did the damage, augmented by Russian made
mortar shells and other such devices. More and more this bombing appears to
be a political operation designed to achieve ends advantageous to the US,
such as wrecking UN sympathy for the Iraqi people, and tarnishing the
Russians. No doubt the FBI will soon "uncover" other evidence to blame this
crime on Saudi Arabia and Iran. Meanwhile the media drones on and on about
how "deeply shocked" the American people are by the bombing. Why? Why would
anyone be shocked? We invaded their country and stole it from them. Assuming
that the bombing was carried out by Iraqis and is not another manufactured
"terror event" to shift world opinion in favor of the US, why shouldn't the
Iraqi people fight back against the invader? If some other government took
over the US, either overtly or covertly, wouldn't YOU fight back?


Joseph Hertzlinger

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Aug 20, 2003, 9:53:15 PM8/20/03
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Who says the "resistance" fighters are Iraqis?

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swagman

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Aug 20, 2003, 10:32:53 PM8/20/03
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"Joseph Hertzlinger" <jher...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Who says the "resistance" fighters are Iraqis?
Are they Israelis?

Joseph Hertzlinger

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Aug 21, 2003, 12:43:02 AM8/21/03
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:21:09 -0400, swagman <iq...@bellsouth.net>
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From http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/sectionindex2/
0,5746,ausletters1%5E%5ETEXT,00.html
(also at http://timblair.spleenville.com/archives/003819.php):

| NOW that rebels are bombing the UN, water mains and oilfields
| belonging to the Iraqi people, where are all the human shields from
| Western countries who volunteered to sit on these structures to
| protect them from the evil Americans? It seems shielding the Iraqi
| people's vital assets is only necessary if it supports a brutal
| dictator.
|
| Peter Kennedy
| Hornsby, NSW

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Tilly

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Aug 21, 2003, 7:37:50 AM8/21/03
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What a load of crap.
Which conspiracy site did you hget this crap from Swaggers?
The bombing of the UN in no way benefits the US.


Tilly

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swagman

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Aug 21, 2003, 7:50:24 AM8/21/03
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"Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I did not say it does. What I said is that all people have a RIGHT to fight
occupation, Palestinians included!

Tilly

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Aug 21, 2003, 8:05:54 AM8/21/03
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swagman wrote:
I did not say it does. What I said is that all people have a RIGHT
> to fight occupation, Palestinians included!


The only effect that the UN bombing and the Jerusalem bombing has had is to
harden attitudes towards Muslim terrorists. Kofi Annan has learnt first hand
what the israelis have to suffer regularly and he isn't happy about it.
The perpetrators shot themselves in the foot.Muslims should be furious with
the groups that carried out these acts..


Tilly

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Unknown

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Aug 22, 2003, 12:27:12 PM8/22/03
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:53:15 GMT, Joseph Hertzlinger
<jher...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Who says the "resistance" fighters are Iraqis?

?~! most of those resisting the occupation of their nation are
Iraqi's. some aren't.


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Jim F.

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Aug 21, 2003, 12:46:08 PM8/21/03
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"Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Have they? I don't think so. The UN was hoping to establish its
legitimacy in Iraq by keeping itself as separate from the American
occupation forces as possible, that it was there to oversee the
rebuilding of the country without being too tied to the Americans.
If the UN is going to stay in Iraq its
going to be doing so under the explicit protection by US troops. Under
such circumstances they are going to be hard put to present themselves
as anything but another part of the US occupation.
Right now Kofi will wish to put a brave face but his options are
actually quite limited. Either he stays and depends on the explicit
protection of the Americans which will have a definite downside for the UN
or they will have to start thinking getting out of Iraq. And I think this
attack will discourage other countries from participating in Iraq
as peace keepers. The Poles which have been playing such a role
have already started asking the Americans to relieve them of that
responsibility.

And anyway this attack along with the attacks on Iraq's infrastructure
have exposed the American occupation as being something of a paper
tiger. US troops cannot protect key Iraqi installations, they cannot
protect Iraqis who are cooperating or collaborating with the occupation,
they cannot get basic services back up and running, or even preserve the
most
rudimentary form of law and order in the country. The US
is quickly being faced with the options of either pouring more troops
into Iraq or facing the possibility that it might be forced to withdraw.

Can you say "quagmire"?

Jim F.

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Joseph Hertzlinger

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Aug 22, 2003, 12:26:39 AM8/22/03
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:27:12 GMT, d.d. michaels <> wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:53:15 GMT, Joseph Hertzlinger
><jher...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>Who says the "resistance" fighters are Iraqis?
>
>?~! most of those resisting the occupation of their nation are
>Iraqi's. some aren't.

They're blowing up their own power lines?

This looks like imperialist vs. imperialist.

Joseph Hertzlinger

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Aug 22, 2003, 12:29:14 AM8/22/03
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:46:08 -0400, Jim F. <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>And anyway this attack along with the attacks on Iraq's infrastructure
>have exposed the American occupation as being something of a paper
>tiger.

The Arabs are world-class experts at paper tigers.

> US troops cannot protect key Iraqi installations,

Shouldn't the Iraqis protect their own installations?

Maybe we should repeal the gun-control laws we stupidly instituted.

swagman

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Aug 22, 2003, 11:39:40 PM8/22/03
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<d.d. michaels> wrote in message news:3f464391...@news.rivernet.net...

> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:53:15 GMT, Joseph Hertzlinger
> <jher...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Who says the "resistance" fighters are Iraqis?
>
> ?~! most of those resisting the occupation of their nation are
> Iraqi's. some aren't.

Exactly, during WWII, many nationalities joined partizans to fight Nazis, we
even had Germans join up, and even a Jew or two! Iraq is no different
sympathizers from all over will come to help. More than 100 nations took
part in the Spanish Civil War!

swagman

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Aug 22, 2003, 11:41:36 PM8/22/03
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"Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> swagman wrote:
> I did not say it does. What I said is that all people have a RIGHT
> > to fight occupation, Palestinians included!
>
>
> The only effect that the UN bombing and the Jerusalem bombing has had is
to
> harden attitudes towards Muslim terrorists.
Not really! It has oppened the eyes of the world to the plight of occupied
Iraqis!

swagman

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Aug 22, 2003, 11:40:26 PM8/22/03
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"Joseph Hertzlinger" <jher...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:27:12 GMT, d.d. michaels <> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:53:15 GMT, Joseph Hertzlinger
> ><jher...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Who says the "resistance" fighters are Iraqis?
> >
> >?~! most of those resisting the occupation of their nation are
> >Iraqi's. some aren't.
>
> They're blowing up their own power lines?
Just like we did during WWII!

Joseph Hertzlinger

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Aug 26, 2003, 1:19:59 AM8/26/03
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:40:26 -0400, swagman <iq...@bellsouth.net>
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We blew up our own power lines?

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Joseph Hertzlinger

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Aug 26, 2003, 1:21:13 AM8/26/03
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:39:40 -0400, swagman <iq...@bellsouth.net>
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> Exactly, during WWII, many nationalities joined

You mean like Germans, Italians, and Japanese?

> More than 100 nations took part in the Spanish Civil War!

You're defending Bolsheviks?

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