JUNE MULTI CRAPISM AWARD
Ferdie
immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
theophenosnot
Crimes that go beyond criminality
from Daily tele editorial 24/5/02
LET there be no misunderstanding, Andrew Theophanous is a grub. There can be
no other description for a man found guilty of bribery, conspiracy to
defraud the Commonwealth and corruption.
In the course of his criminality, he dealt with heroin importers and even
demanded sex in exchange for professional favours.
By any judgment this man is a contemptible lowlife who should be spurned by
society for his reprehensible actions.
However, the crimes of Theophanous are worse. This is a man who was not an
organised crime figure, nor in a conventional sense, a member of criminal
network. He was a Member of Federal Parliament, the elected representative
for the Victorian seat of Calwell who preyed on vulnerable and desperate
people for financial gain and sexual gratification.
In Theophanous's mind, he would see himself as a misunderstood champion of
multiculturalism and increased migrant quotas. By the fact he pleaded not
guilty to six charges of corrupt behaviour, he would see himself as a victim
of his zealousness on behalf of others.
He would be deluding himself. The victims are the 19 million people
Australians whose best interests he disregarded for personal benefit – and
the esteem in which we hold our political leaders.
Theophanous was found guilty of conspiring with three others to obtain a
short-term visa for a person he knew intended to stay permanently, two
counts of bribery – one which related to receiving $2000 in return for
assisting two Chinese nationals obtain visas who had overstayed – and of
misleading Immigration Department official and the immigration minister on
behalf of a "close personal friend". He was found not guilty on one count of
bribery and the jury could not reach a decision on another.
As the first Member of Parliament to be found guilty of accepting bribes
while in office, Theophanous has carved his own epitaph in the pantheon of
political wrongdoing.
He has further diminished the respect reserved for politicians and given
further credence to the cynical view that parliamentarians are out to help
themselves, not their constituents.
CONGRATULATIONS Dr Snot
Mosley Jones III
The ALP liked the way he operated, making him parliamentary secretary
"Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:pTiH8.119$TY3....@ozemail.com.au...
: Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that multicultural /
: immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
: theophenosnot
:
:
: Crimes that go beyond criminality
: from Daily tele editorial 24/5/02
:
: LET there be no misunderstanding, Andrew Theophanous is a grub. There can be
: no other description for a man found guilty of bribery, conspiracy to
: defraud the Commonwealth and corruption.
: In the course of his criminality, he dealt with heroin importers and even
: demanded sex in exchange for professional favours.
:
: By any judgment this man is a contemptible lowlife who should be spurned by
: society for his reprehensible actions.
:
: However, the crimes of Theophanous are worse. This is a man who was not an
: organised crime figure, nor in a conventional sense, a member of criminal
: network. He was a Member of Federal Parliament, the elected representative
: for the Victorian seat of Calwell who preyed on vulnerable and desperate
: people for financial gain and sexual gratification.
:
: In Theophanous's mind, he would see himself as a misunderstood champion of
: multiculturalism and increased migrant quotas. By the fact he pleaded not
: guilty to six charges of corrupt behaviour, he would see himself as a victim
: of his zealousness on behalf of others.
:
: He would be deluding himself. The victims are the 19 million people
: Australians whose best interests he disregarded for personal benefit - and
: the esteem in which we hold our political leaders.
:
: Theophanous was found guilty of conspiring with three others to obtain a
: short-term visa for a person he knew intended to stay permanently, two
: counts of bribery - one which related to receiving $2000 in return for
: assisting two Chinese nationals obtain visas who had overstayed - and of
:
:
:
:
Ferdie
his other ethnic mate !
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francispoon
> immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
> theophenosnot
(1)what this person has done is illegal and that is one issue
(2)what has (1) got to do with multiculturalism and immigration?
(3)would you still have made the above statement if he were a _native_
WASP?
(4)Do you want to know some stories about the evil deeds performed by
WASP as individuals and as a group?
(5)If you had been given a full meal of what all ethnic groups are
capable of in terms of eveil deeds, either as individuals and as a
group, would you redraw your sensationaized statement?
(6)|The British library in London |today is having an exhibition
on|"|The rise and fall of "East Indian Company", which was a sole
British monopoly governing the trade and commerce activities not just
in the |Far |East but amist various British colonies as well at that
time. It shows you how British and |French did in terms of smuggling
opium, please go and have a full meal and afterwards come back to
withdraw your kintergarden level statement above.
FP
>
> Crimes that go beyond criminality
> from Daily tele editorial 24/5/02
>
> LET there be no misunderstanding, Andrew Theophanous is a grub. There can be
> no other description for a man found guilty of bribery, conspiracy to
> defraud the Commonwealth and corruption.
> In the course of his criminality, he dealt with heroin importers and even
> demanded sex in exchange for professional favours.
>
> By any judgment this man is a contemptible lowlife who should be spurned by
> society for his reprehensible actions.
>
> However, the crimes of Theophanous are worse. This is a man who was not an
> organised crime figure, nor in a conventional sense, a member of criminal
> network. He was a Member of Federal Parliament, the elected representative
> for the Victorian seat of Calwell who preyed on vulnerable and desperate
> people for financial gain and sexual gratification.
>
> In Theophanous's mind, he would see himself as a misunderstood champion of
> multiculturalism and increased migrant quotas. By the fact he pleaded not
> guilty to six charges of corrupt behaviour, he would see himself as a victim
> of his zealousness on behalf of others.
>
> He would be deluding himself. The victims are the 19 million people
> Australians whose best interests he disregarded for personal benefit – and
> the esteem in which we hold our political leaders.
>
> Theophanous was found guilty of conspiring with three others to obtain a
> short-term visa for a person he knew intended to stay permanently, two
> counts of bribery – one which related to receiving $2000 in return for
> assisting two Chinese nationals obtain visas who had overstayed – and of
Mosley Jones III
"francispoon" <fyf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:936eaee8.02052...@posting.google.com...
: "Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pTiH8.119$TY3....@ozemail.com.au>...
: > Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that multicultural /
: > immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
: > theophenosnot
:
: (1)what this person has done is illegal and that is one issue
: (2)what has (1) got to do with multiculturalism and immigration?
a)he was part of a party that made immigration laws and formulated policy's
b)he is one
c)he was a people smuggler
d) he helped immigrants enter the country illegally
e)he took bribes from immigrants
f)he demanded sex from them
g)he and his faction terrorised immigrants telling them unless they voted for him they would be sent back to where they come from,
and that they would have welfare money withheld
: (3)would you still have made the above statement if he were a _native_
: WASP?
of cause, your mind works funny
: (4)Do you want to know some stories about the evil deeds performed by
: WASP as individuals and as a group?
no because they are irrelevant.
if you were to steal a million dollars, it would be wrong to do so,
telling the judge of others that have done simular things, does not make it any less so
: (5)If you had been given a full meal of what all ethnic groups are
: capable of in terms of eveil deeds, either as individuals and as a
: group, would you redraw your sensationaized statement?
ill gove them to you
Arabs are 3 times as likely to commit a crime than Australians, Asians 2.5 times and 27 times as likely to commit a drug offence
http://overyonder.dynip.com/news/docs/crime%20in%20australia.pdf
: (6)|The British library in London |today is having an exhibition
: on|"|The rise and fall of "East Indian Company", which was a sole
: British monopoly governing the trade and commerce activities not just
: in the |Far |East but amist various British colonies as well at that
: time. It shows you how British and |French did in terms of smuggling
: opium, please go and have a full meal and afterwards come back to
: withdraw your kintergarden level statement above.
smuggling opium?
Opium was not illegal in china, or anywhere else at the time.
it was a medicine
Later a china man that was not the ruler of china declared it illegal. but he was not the person with authority to do so
:
: FP
francispoon
> Arabs are 3 times as likely to commit a crime than Australians, Asians 2.5 times and 27 times as likely to commit a drug offence.
They will all become Australians like yourself any way.
FP
Mosley Jones III
no they want, we have multiculturalism, not assimilation,
you have chosen to be separated by culture held apart by our tolerance.
our tolerance is a varying level, in the fullness of time it will drop to where we rid ourselves of your culture this may not happen
this year or even tis centenary, but if we exist in 2 cultures it is as sure as the sun rises,
Read prince by Macuvelli, all things left to chance get their chance one day
:
: FP
Ferdie
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> > theophenosnot
Laetitia Casta
"Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that multicultural /
> immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
> theophenosnot
This guy even told a Chinese woman if she had regular sex with him, he would
help her family to migrate to Australia. Then he did not keep his side of
the bargain - i.e. he regulary had sex with her and did not help her family
to migrate. Nice guy. He knew she couldn't complain about it.
Immigration is probably the most corrupt government department there is,
when the ALP is in office, because of the connection to branch stacking.
Also related is the ALPs strategy to change the ethnic identity of the
nation to make it more likely to vote for the ALP. This issue goes well
beyond the behaviour of this rather pathetic bloke.
>
>
> Crimes that go beyond criminality
> from Daily tele editorial 24/5/02
>
> LET there be no misunderstanding, Andrew Theophanous is a grub. There can
be
> no other description for a man found guilty of bribery, conspiracy to
> defraud the Commonwealth and corruption.
> In the course of his criminality, he dealt with heroin importers and even
> demanded sex in exchange for professional favours.
>
> By any judgment this man is a contemptible lowlife who should be spurned
by
> society for his reprehensible actions.
>
> However, the crimes of Theophanous are worse. This is a man who was not an
> organised crime figure, nor in a conventional sense, a member of criminal
> network. He was a Member of Federal Parliament, the elected representative
> for the Victorian seat of Calwell who preyed on vulnerable and desperate
> people for financial gain and sexual gratification.
>
> In Theophanous's mind, he would see himself as a misunderstood champion of
> multiculturalism and increased migrant quotas. By the fact he pleaded not
> guilty to six charges of corrupt behaviour, he would see himself as a
victim
> of his zealousness on behalf of others.
>
> He would be deluding himself. The victims are the 19 million people
> Australians whose best interests he disregarded for personal benefit - and
> the esteem in which we hold our political leaders.
>
> Theophanous was found guilty of conspiring with three others to obtain a
> short-term visa for a person he knew intended to stay permanently, two
> counts of bribery - one which related to receiving $2000 in return for
> assisting two Chinese nationals obtain visas who had overstayed - and of
francispoon
> Hey why dont bugger off back to china ???
I am in China, kid. Is that all you have got in your intellectual
arsenal for a reply. What did you learn in high school? Just
drinking beer and smoking pot?
FP
Mosley Jones III
"Laetitia Casta" <laetit...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:PM_H8.18187$b5.6...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
:
:
:
:
: "Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:pTiH8.119$TY3....@ozemail.com.au...
: > Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that multicultural /
: > immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
: > theophenosnot
:
: This guy even told a Chinese woman if she had regular sex with him, he would
: help her family to migrate to Australia. Then he did not keep his side of
: the bargain - i.e. he regulary had sex with her and did not help her family
: to migrate. Nice guy. He knew she couldn't complain about it.
:
: Immigration is probably the most corrupt government department there is,
: when the ALP is in office, because of the connection to branch stacking.
: Also related is the ALPs strategy to change the ethnic identity of the
: nation to make it more likely to vote for the ALP. This issue goes well
: beyond the behaviour of this rather pathetic bloke.
hear hear
:
: >
: >
: > Crimes that go beyond criminality
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
:
Mosley Jones III
: > Hey why dont bugger off back to china ???
:
: I am in China, kid. Is that all you have got in your intellectual
: arsenal for a reply. What did you learn in high school? Just
: drinking beer and smoking pot?
Your in Singapore aren't you?
Your path shows Stanford university in the USA as the first server
if you are in china, I could have you arrested, for reading my words of western wisdom
:
: FP
Ferdie
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francispoon
> "francispoon" <fyf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:936eaee8.02052...@posting.google.com...
> : "Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<mhYH8.411$3t6....@ozemail.com.au>...
> : > Hey why dont bugger off back to china ???
> :
> : I am in China, kid. Is that all you have got in your intellectual
> : arsenal for a reply. What did you learn in high school? Just
> : drinking beer and smoking pot?
>
> Your in Singapore aren't you?
> Your path shows Stanford university in the USA as the first server
> if you are in china, I could have you arrested, for reading my words of western wisdom
Your ignorance is getting friendlier. Yes, I am sending you this
message in an internet bar in China. Your words of 'western' wisdom
is filled with alcohol influence.
FP
Mosley Jones III
"Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:jydI8.718$3t6....@ozemail.com.au...
: go fuck your self or I'll report you for using the internet
At least we don't get shot for it
Mosley Jones III
: > "francispoon" <fyf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:936eaee8.02052...@posting.google.com...
: > : "Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<mhYH8.411$3t6....@ozemail.com.au>...
: > : > Hey why dont bugger off back to china ???
: > :
: > : I am in China, kid. Is that all you have got in your intellectual
: > : arsenal for a reply. What did you learn in high school? Just
: > : drinking beer and smoking pot?
: >
: > Your in Singapore aren't you?
: > Your path shows Stanford university in the USA as the first server
: > if you are in china, I could have you arrested, for reading my words of western wisdom
:
: Your ignorance is getting friendlier. Yes, I am sending you this
: message in an internet bar in China. Your words of 'western' wisdom
: is filled with alcohol influence.
I hope im getting tempers up there
And I hope you have had a good time while I educate you
Mosley Jones III
:
: FP
Ned Latham
> "Mosley Jones III" wrote:
> >
> > Arabs are 3 times as likely to commit a crime than Australians,
> > Asians 2.5 times and 27 times as likely to commit a drug offence.
>
> They will all become Australians like yourself any way.
Maybe. But they'll have to fight against the pressures imposed by MC
to do so.
Ned
--
To reply, cut out my nose * Democracy means "the people rule". *
and make the met a net. * Fight for the power of assent. *
francispoon
> go fuck your self or I'll report you for using the internet
report to who? Your mom?
FP
francispoon
snipped...
> And I hope you have had a good time while I educate you
I suggest you devote your time and energy to educating Ferdi with your
aboriginal wisdom. Tho screwed up as you are intellectually, you do
make an effort to read before coming for debate, as opposed to someone
who believes he has answers for various complex socio-economic issues
and does so without reading books.
FP>
The Enlightenment
> "Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pTiH8.119$TY3....@ozemail.com.au>...
> > Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that multicultural /
> > immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
> > theophenosnot
>
> (1)what this person has done is illegal and that is one issue
> (2)what has (1) got to do with multiculturalism and immigration?
He was a fanatical proponent of MC and also a beneficiary of the
multicultrualism idnustry; both legal and illegal, he frequently would
react hytericaly to calm reasoned criticism of his radical
multicultrualism (which included diluting english) by charging his
critics with racism and hate.
What is interesting is his motivation for promoting multiculturalism;
which I'll go into briefly.
> (3)would you still have made the above statement if he were a native_
> WASP?
Absolutely! Even more so! Some looney European types want to destroy
western civilization to fullfill their marxist ideologies! They are a
insidious minority however.
If you hadn't noticed western culture and it s thousand year
traditions is mot compatible to communism at all.
> (4)Do you want to know some stories about the evil deeds performed by
> WASP as individuals and as a group?
The issue is Theophanous who was profoundly hyproctical. HE brought
up the issue of ethniciticity FIRST all of the time.
Incidently you specificaly picking on the WASP minority is somewhat
racist.
WASPs have been the most open and liberal cultures on earth. Please
use "other ethnic groups" instead next time.
> (5)If you had been given a full meal of what all ethnic groups are
> capable of in terms of eveil deeds, either as individuals and as a
> group, would you redraw your sensationaized statement?
Theophansous deserves special contempt:
1 For his hypocrisy.
2 For his hatred of the current culture which he continiously sought
to weaken.
3 For his using shallow rhetoric to shame his opponents to advance his
own ethnocentric pecadilos as well as his personal ones.
> (6)|The British library in London |today is having an exhibition
> on|"|The rise and fall of "East Indian Company", which was a sole
> British monopoly governing the trade and commerce activities not just
> in the |Far |East but amist various British colonies as well at that
> time. It shows you how British and |French did in terms of smuggling
> opium, please go and have a full meal and afterwards come back to
> withdraw your kintergarden level statement above.
Yawn; Major of topic distraction by you that belongs in distant
history. I guess you and your reforme red comrades still want to mae
milage out of it.
I'll tell you about who actualy controlled this trade a little latter.
The Brits had less to do with it than you think.
The Enlightenment
> news:pTiH8.119$TY3....@ozemail.com.au...
> > Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that multicultural /
> > immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
> > theophenosnot
>
> This guy even told a Chinese woman if she had regular sex with him, he would
> help her family to migrate to Australia. Then he did not keep his side of
> the bargain - i.e. he regulary had sex with her and did not help her family
> to migrate. Nice guy. He knew she couldn't complain about it.
>
> Immigration is probably the most corrupt government department there is,
> when the ALP is in office, because of the connection to branch stacking.
> Also related is the ALPs strategy to change the ethnic identity of the
> nation to make it more likely to vote for the ALP. This issue goes well
> beyond the behaviour of this rather pathetic bloke.
>
>
More than onece I've heard this 'rumour". Not only in Australia but
I've heard that for instance that Australain embassy staff (who are
not australian these day for cost reasons) seem to be corrupt. In
Malaysia the staff is ethncic chinese and I haven't heard anything
good said.
Its rumours ofcourse but in places with open "corruption" you don't
need to mae such rumours up.
Ferdie
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Seppo Renfors
The Enlightenment wrote:
>
> "Laetitia Casta" <laetit...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<PM_H8.18187$b5.6...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
[..]
> > This guy even told a Chinese woman if she had regular sex with him, he would
> > help her family to migrate to Australia. Then he did not keep his side of
> > the bargain - i.e. he regulary had sex with her and did not help her family
> > to migrate. Nice guy. He knew she couldn't complain about it.
> >
> > Immigration is probably the most corrupt government department there is,
> > when the ALP is in office, because of the connection to branch stacking.
> > Also related is the ALPs strategy to change the ethnic identity of the
> > nation to make it more likely to vote for the ALP. This issue goes well
> > beyond the behaviour of this rather pathetic bloke.
> >
> >
>
> More than onece I've heard this 'rumour". Not only in Australia but
> I've heard that for instance that Australain embassy staff (who are
> not australian these day for cost reasons) seem to be corrupt. In
> Malaysia the staff is ethncic chinese and I haven't heard anything
> good said.
First of all they are not "Australians" because they don't know the
language. Of course the AMBASSADOR and his personal staff are Aussies.
>
> Its rumours ofcourse but in places with open "corruption" you don't
> need to mae such rumours up.
SO you are accusing the Aussie AMBASSADOR of being CORRUPT! But who
cares as long as you can blow life into the coals of hatred, eh.
--
SIR -Philosopher Unauthorised
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Seppo Renfors
The Enlightenment wrote:
>
> fyf...@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in message news:<936eaee8.02052...@posting.google.com>...
> > "Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pTiH8.119$TY3....@ozemail.com.au>...
> > > Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that multicultural /
> > > immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
> > > theophenosnot
> >
> > (1)what this person has done is illegal and that is one issue
> OK
> > (2)what has (1) got to do with multiculturalism and immigration?
>
> He was a fanatical proponent of MC and also a beneficiary of the
> multicultrualism idnustry;
WHat is "multicultrualism idnustry" or even the "multiculturalism
industry"???
> both legal and illegal, he frequently would
> react hytericaly to calm reasoned criticism of his radical
> multicultrualism (which included diluting english) by charging his
> critics with racism and hate.
The only one "diluting English" with gibberish is yourself!! This post
is a perfect example!
No doubt you are a critic of his - NOT including his criminal deeds
but all others as well. Oh, and Nazi's ARE "racists".
>
> What is interesting is his motivation for promoting multiculturalism;
> which I'll go into briefly.
>
> > (3)would you still have made the above statement if he were a native_
> > WASP?
>
> Absolutely! Even more so! Some looney European types want to destroy
> western civilization to fullfill their marxist ideologies! They are a
> insidious minority however.
Are you INCAPABLE of sprouting other words than "marxist" and "post
modernism" as something you believe is "reason"? You haven't a clue
what they mean in any case, and use them as derogatory terms outside
their real meaning. Every one who isn't a rabid Nazi is "marxist" and
"post modernism" according to you!
>
> If you hadn't noticed western culture and it s thousand year
> traditions is mot compatible to communism at all.
Oh, shit... the "Reds under the Beds" paranoia is still alive I see!
>
> > (4)Do you want to know some stories about the evil deeds performed by
> > WASP as individuals and as a group?
>
> The issue is Theophanous who was profoundly hyproctical. HE brought
> up the issue of ethniciticity FIRST all of the time.
YOU don't know what he thought. Neither did he do as you claim. You
are on your bloody propaganda band wagon again!
>
> Incidently you specificaly picking on the WASP minority is somewhat
> racist.
Only to a NAZI.
> WASPs have been the most open and liberal cultures on earth. Please
> use "other ethnic groups" instead next time.
Oh, it is VERBOTEN to tell the truth about WASPS - and specially the
racist groups within that general group is it - like the NAZIS??
> > (5)If you had been given a full meal of what all ethnic groups are
> > capable of in terms of eveil deeds, either as individuals and as a
> > group, would you redraw your sensationaized statement?
>
> Theophansous deserves special contempt:
> 1 For his hypocrisy.
For his CRIMES you mean.
> 2 For his hatred of the current culture which he continiously sought
> to weaken.
THAT is a NAZI propaganda claim.
> 3 For his using shallow rhetoric to shame his opponents to advance his
> own ethnocentric pecadilos as well as his personal ones.
Another Nazi statement of hate.
>
> > (6)|The British library in London |today is having an exhibition
> > on|"|The rise and fall of "East Indian Company", which was a sole
> > British monopoly governing the trade and commerce activities not just
> > in the |Far |East but amist various British colonies as well at that
> > time. It shows you how British and |French did in terms of smuggling
> > opium, please go and have a full meal and afterwards come back to
> > withdraw your kintergarden level statement above.
>
> Yawn; Major of topic distraction by you that belongs in distant
> history.
.....and you bleat about people 1.5 millennia ago!!
> I guess you and your reforme red comrades still want to mae
> milage out of it.
It did occur - so much is true. Perhaps you should also look into
Australia's involvement in those wars.
>
> I'll tell you about who actualy controlled this trade a little latter.
There is no secret who a NAZI will blame - it will be the JEWS,
naturally! Every WASP dirty deed there ever has been done you blame ON
THE JEWS! This is STANDARD NAZI HATE PROPAGANDA!
> The Brits had less to do with it than you think.
Bullshit.
francispoon
I am not surprised that there is corruption in the government
department related to immigration/multiculturalism, etc. for the
simple reason that it is government involvement that produces the
mechanics. If that department can be turned into privatized
corporation, less corruption would result. Corruption has its
positive aspects. It lubricates bureacratic machinery or bottles.
Corruption occurs whenever the government puts a stop on something or
legislate something against it. For example, there is quite a bit of
corruption in the immigration related investment fund business in
which the local merchants just want to get rid of their junks to the
immigrants and in return the immigrants obtain permission to stay.
Thus the way to reduce corruption is to reduce government involvement.
But you know and I know that this is not an easy thing to do, either
under a dictatorship or a democracy.
FP
francispoon
> > (3)would you still have made the above statement if he were a native_
> > WASP?
> Absolutely! Even more so! Some looney European types want to destroy
> western civilization to fullfill their marxist ideologies! They are a
> insidious minority however.
>
> If you hadn't noticed western culture and it s thousand year
> traditions is mot compatible to communism at all.
There might be a bit misunderstanding there. I was suggesting to the
author that the title could have been different in that of having
nothing to do with multiculturalism or immigration. That was just
sheer corruption which could have occurred in any other government
department.
snipped...
>
> > (6)|The British library in London |today is having an exhibition
> > on|"|The rise and fall of "East Indian Company", which was a sole
> > British monopoly governing the trade and commerce activities not just
> > in the |Far |East but amist various British colonies as well at that
> > time. It shows you how British and |French did in terms of smuggling
> > opium, please go and have a full meal and afterwards come back to
> > withdraw your kintergarden level statement above.
>
> Yawn; Major of topic distraction by you that belongs in distant
> history. I guess you and your reformer red comrades still want to make
> milage out of it.
The fact that you are still using "red comrades" shows how little you
know of what goes on outside where you live. The current PRC
government forbids the tourist guides from talking about this or
bringing the tourists to sites where the imperial museum of China was
burned down. The reds have become blue! When some Chinese movie
directors filmed documentaries/movies about brutality performed by the
Japanese or the past grievance against the west, they were shouted
down by the young Chinese MBAs and business executives. Why? It is
because this generation of young Chinese just want to make more money.
Many of them are being employed by multinationals. They don't want
their foreign bosses to get upset by those movies. You are out of
line with the time as far as talking about "red" is concerned. You
than may aske me a question: why the Peking leaders still keep that
name "communist/socialists"? Well, this has a lot to do with the
face-saving culture of the Chinese. It is as difficult for them to
say that they have been wrong having followed communism/Mao as it is
for some people to admit that their forefathers were once in the opium
business.
>
> I'll tell you about who actualy controlled this trade a little latter.
> The Brits had less to do with it than you think.
It was definitely NOT the ordinary British people in the streets.
There were many Anglo-French soldiers that died in the two Opium War
too. I would not be surprised that some rather powerful rings were in
charge or still in charge. But the fact remains that those two
military conflicts were carried out _in the name of_ Britain and
France. Are you going to surprise me with a Jewish conspiracy thing?
I am not saying that something is impossible, but having to prove that
is close to being impossible. The city library in London is showing
the history of this East-Indo Company that was at least on paper
British owned and how this company managed to weild influence from the
government in terms of getting military support. If you were trying
to argue otherwise by inserting a third party behind the decision, you
do have to realize the gravity of the statements you are about to make
and the task in front of you.
FP
Ned Latham
> "The Enlightenment" wrote:
> > "francispoon" wrote:
> > > "Ferdie" wrote:
----snip----
> > > > Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that
> > > > multicultural immigration guru and labor party mentor,
> > > > doctor andrew (greek cypriot) theophenosnot
> > >
> > > (1)what this person has done is illegal and that is one issue
> >
> > OK
> >
> > > (2)what has (1) got to do with multiculturalism and immigration?
> >
> > He was a fanatical proponent of MC and also a beneficiary of the
> > multicultrualism idnustry;
>
> WHat is "multicultrualism idnustry" or even the "multiculturalism
> industry"???
Fraud and corruption.
> > both legal and illegal, he frequently would
> > react hytericaly to calm reasoned criticism of his radical
> > multicultrualism (which included diluting english) by charging his
> > critics with racism and hate.
>
> The only one "diluting English" with gibberish is yourself!! This post
> is a perfect example!
Before you criticise others' English, Renfors, try to get your own right
for a change. The plural of "Nazi" is *not* "Nazi's".
> No doubt you are a critic of his - NOT including his criminal deeds
> but all others as well. Oh, and Nazi's ARE "racists".
We only have to look at you to see that, Renfors.
----snip----
> SIR -Philosopher Unauthorised
Says Seppo Renfors, Australophobe and self-confessed Hitler-lover.
Ned Latham
----snip----
> I am not surprised that there is corruption in the government
> department related to immigration/multiculturalism, etc. for the
> simple reason that it is government involvement that produces the
> mechanics. If that department can be turned into privatized
> corporation, less corruption would result.
Rubbish. It would continue as before, but with the addition of
kickbacks to people in the department in charge of overseeing
government contracts with private enterprise.
> Corruption has its
> positive aspects. It lubricates bureacratic machinery or bottles.
"Bottles"? Do you mean "bottlenecks"?
> Corruption occurs whenever the government puts a stop on something or
> legislate something against it. For example, there is quite a bit of
> corruption in the immigration related investment fund business in
> which the local merchants just want to get rid of their junks to the
> immigrants and in return the immigrants obtain permission to stay.
>
> Thus the way to reduce corruption is to reduce government involvement.
But note that reducing government involvement is not the same as, and is
not achieved by, privatisation.
----snip----
The Enlightenment
> The Enlightenment wrote:
> >
> > fyf...@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in message news:<936eaee8.02052...@posting.google.com>...
> > > "Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pTiH8.119$TY3....@ozemail.com.au>...
> > > > Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that multicultural /
> > > > immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
> > > > theophenosnot
> > >
> > > (1)what this person has done is illegal and that is one issue
> OK
> > > (2)what has (1) got to do with multiculturalism and immigration?
> >
> > He was a fanatical proponent of MC and also a beneficiary of the
> > multicultrualism idnustry;
>
> industry"???
The funds dispersed through all three levels of government, the people
hawking diversity prgrams, the immigration agents and lawyers, the
academics, social workers, career ethnics and other people building
careers and business on the billions of dollars of multiculuralism
money. Did you notice that when Phung Ngo the crook that had his
Chinese New Year in Prison and the crook that assasinated John Neuman
was helped with funds by the same people that obtained $200,000/year
for helping the vietnamese community? People build their careers on
the infrastructure and mangament of that money.
It is literaly billions of dollars a year and many careers and
business dependant upon it. No wonder it is so rapaciously promoted.
>
> > both legal and illegal, he frequently would
> > react hytericaly to calm reasoned criticism of his radical
> > multicultrualism (which included diluting english) by charging his
> > critics with racism and hate.
>
> The only one "diluting English" with gibberish is yourself!! This post
> is a perfect example!
So says the Seeppo the infamouse ponce of irrationality and
rhetoric..........
>
> No doubt you are a critic of his - NOT including his criminal deeds
> but all others as well.
Australophobes like you are real racists as well as hypocrits.
> >
> > What is interesting is his motivation for promoting multiculturalism;
> > which I'll go into briefly.
> >
> > > (3)would you still have made the above statement if he were a native_
> > > WASP?
> >
> > Absolutely! Even more so! Some looney European types want to destroy
> > western civilization to fullfill their marxist ideologies! They are a
> > insidious minority however.
>
> Are you INCAPABLE of sprouting other words than "marxist" and "post
> modernism" as something you believe is "reason"? You haven't a clue
> what they mean in any case, and use them as derogatory terms outside
> their real meaning. Every one who isn't a rabid Nazi is "marxist" and
> "post modernism" according to you!
I noted that you've taken my advice reduced you usage of exclamation
marks.
The fact that you yourself are affected by post modern dribble and
nihilism probably explains your emotion charged reaction.
Post modernism is a poxy ideological phase now universily despised.
It is shallow and gave us polical correcness, hyper-cultural
relativsm, plus philosphy that is nothing but criticsism without
creativity. It gave us nihilsm and the kind of shallow Sophistry you
are known for. Complete crap; no wonder you pontificate and indulge
it. Its perfect for you dinosaur.
> >
> > If you hadn't noticed western culture and it s thousand year
> > traditions is mot compatible to communism at all.
>
> Oh, shit... the "Reds under the Beds" paranoia is still alive I see!
Yawn, I won't respond to you stupity except to clarify the point WAS
that there have been no communist revolutions in any western nation
and that this clearly indicates something about the strength of
western values.
> >
> > > (4)Do you want to know some stories about the evil deeds performed by
> > > WASP as individuals and as a group?
> >
> > The issue is Theophanous who was profoundly hyproctical. HE brought
> > up the issue of ethniciticity FIRST all of the time.
>
> YOU don't know what he thought. Neither did he do as you claim. You
> are on your bloody propaganda band wagon again!
How well do YOU know the litigenous little crook? How intimate was
your relationship with Andrew? I can well immagine with your
extremist promotion of radical multicrapism you might have associated
with the now convicted crook?
> >
> > Incidently you specificaly picking on the WASP minority is somewhat
> > racist.
>
SNIP
>
> > WASPs have been the most open and liberal cultures on earth. Please
> > use "other ethnic groups" instead next time.
>
> Oh, it is VERBOTEN to tell the truth about WASPS
SNIP
We know your racist biggotry about WASP men and women.
>
> > > (5)If you had been given a full meal of what all ethnic groups are
> > > capable of in terms of eveil deeds, either as individuals and as a
> > > group, would you redraw your sensationaized statement?
> >
> > Theophansous deserves special contempt:
> > 1 For his hypocrisy.
>
> For his CRIMES you mean.
Contempt for his crimes, contempt for his bald faced denial but
SPECIAL contempt for his hypcrisies
>
> > 2 For his hatred of the current culture which he continiously sought
> > to weaken.
>
SNIP ad hominem
>
> > 3 For his using shallow rhetoric to shame his opponents to advance his
> > own ethnocentric pecadilos as well as his personal ones.
>
SNIP invalid ad hominem
> >
> > > (6)|The British library in London |today is having an exhibition
> > > on|"|The rise and fall of "East Indian Company", which was a sole
> > > British monopoly governing the trade and commerce activities not just
> > > in the |Far |East but amist various British colonies as well at that
> > > time. It shows you how British and |French did in terms of smuggling
> > > opium, please go and have a full meal and afterwards come back to
> > > withdraw your kintergarden level statement above.
> >
> > Yawn; Major of topic distraction by you that belongs in distant
> > history.
>
> .....and you bleat about people 1.5 millennia ago!!
>
>
That would be ther era when the cro-magnum and neandertthal you think
are indistingusable exist?
francispoon
> "francispoon" wrote in <936eaee8.02052...@posting.google.com>:
>
> ----snip----
>
> > I am not surprised that there is corruption in the government
> > department related to immigration/multiculturalism, etc. for the
> > simple reason that it is government involvement that produces the
> > mechanics. If that department can be turned into privatized
> > corporation, less corruption would result.
>
> Rubbish. It would continue as before, but with the addition of
> kickbacks to people in the department in charge of overseeing
> government contracts with private enterprise.
But do you think this is true of all governemnt departments that have
contracts to give out? How about the department of military purchase?
The key word is "less". Right?
FP
Seppo Renfors
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Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > "francispoon" wrote:
> >
> > ----snip----
> >
> > > I am not surprised that there is corruption in the government
> > > department related to immigration/multiculturalism, etc. for the
> > > simple reason that it is government involvement that produces the
> > > mechanics. If that department can be turned into privatized
> > > corporation, less corruption would result.
> >
> > Rubbish. It would continue as before, but with the addition of
> > kickbacks to people in the department in charge of overseeing
> > government contracts with private enterprise.
>
> But do you think this is true of all governemnt departments that have
> contracts to give out?
Why not? Can you think of any way of ensuring that some department is
staffed exclusively by honest, sincere workers who cannot be pressured,
terrorised, blackmailed or deceived into acting corruptly?
> How about the department of military purchase?
Oho! Bi-i-i-ig bucks: lotsa corruption.
> The key word is "less". Right?
Nope. The first priority for military acquisitions is effectiveness
(it doesn't matter what the item is, or even whether it's weaponry,
if it's not effective in its designated role, it's worthless).
So what happens when three or five or whatever competing suppliers
offer items of roughly comparable effectiveness?
They bribe officials to give them details of their competitors' bids;
they bribe officials to set testing parameters that favour their
product over those of their competitors: they bribe officials to demean
their competitors to their superiors; they bribe officials to denigrate
their competitors' products to their superiors...
Or what happens when a supplier comes up with a new item? They bribe
officials to "foresee" a need for it.
Mosley Jones III
"Seppo Renfors" <Ren...@not.olles.com.au> wrote in message news:3CF32B48...@not.olles.com.au...
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Mosley Jones III
we have little corruption compared to most countries in any department.
But since in immigration we have people that come from a culture of corruption, like that in china
:
: Thus the way to reduce corruption is to reduce government involvement.
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> lunatic stalking and his petty hatreds send complaints to:
Have you worked out yet why you're a social outcast, Renfors?
----snip----
> SIR -Philosopher Unauthorised
Says Seppo Renfors, Pontifex Peccabilissimus.
francispoon
should or should not have multiculturalism but is in the footing of
the bills. That is to say, should government get involved in the
maintenance of such a doctrine and to what extent they should get
involved? Perhaps the government can give a tax break to those
corporations that hire the ones who just get off the boats.
FP
nen...@news.apex.met.au (Ned Latham) wrote in message news:<slrnaf9r27....@arthur.valhalla.net.oz>...
francispoon
> Is this the Monty Python team ?
Be humble and learn something from your fella Mosley. That aboriginal
kid is 100 times more native than any of you and many of you are just
marginally more 'native' than those who just crawled out off boats.
Regardless of the 'peculiar' approach with which Mosley argues, he
DOES read 'something' before coming to this ng. He is there to
emulate. So for heaven sake do this for yourself once in a while.
What did the kids in the Australian high school learn? Please kindly
enlighten me about that. Boys learn to drive cars and girls look for
husband?
FP
francispoon
In a much less industrialized or modernized country, or a country
characterized by the huge disparity between the haves and the
havenots, the ordinary people are stuggling to have their ends meet.
Corruption is thus one of the ways to fulfil the function of income
redistribution. In Australia or Canada, where the income distribution
pattern is evener and the standard of living higher, there is little
corruption taking place among the ordinary folks as the 'opportunities
cost' for conducting corruption is too high for most people to try.
For example, a traffic policeman in Oz makes good salary each month
and his other benefits are good too. It would be foolish for him to
conduct corruption and for a few dollars more run into the risk of
being caught and lose the lucrative job. However, against this
background, corruption in an institutionalized manner takes place.
After all, Australians are humans and as humans they are as greedy as
anyone living on the face of this planet. The investment-related
immigration fund in these two countries is a typical example of
institutionalized corruption. This may be more severe under Paul
Hanson too. Why??? It is because with her anti-Asian slogan, the
government can make it so difficult for any Asian to get in by raising
the requirement for entry. Those who can enter have to have a lot of
money. Well, the hard working can't come but have to come in boats
while the drug dealers come in Boeing 747 and get the red carpet
treatment because they can afford the immigration fund. Now, tell me
if I am wrong. If those funds are of any good, the local or
international investors could have looked into that and they would not
have been wrapped under the immigration category to sock it to
immigrants. The new comers, in order to get to Australia, buy into
them without the fear of losing on the assumption that is the price to
pay to get into Australia.
>
> But since in immigration we have people that come from a culture of corruption, like that in china
It is the bureacratic structure rather than the culture that creates
corruption. Little petty corruption does not kill but
institutionalized corruption does. The latter can even lead to war in
which many youngsters are mobilized to 'die for the country' while
actually die for the elitists governing the ordinary folks. Sorry,
pal, the blue-blood elite from the old England and Europe is still
looking over your shoulders.
FP
tediboy
> should or should not have multiculturalism but is in the footing of
> the bills. That is to say, should government get involved in the
> maintenance of such a doctrine and to what extent they should get
> involved? Perhaps the government can give a tax break to those
> corporations that hire the ones who just get off the boats.
>
> FP
>
Yrs, ............ Tediboy
Seppo Renfors
The Enlightenment wrote:
>
> Seppo Renfors <Ren...@not.olles.com.au> wrote in message news:<3CF3261C...@not.olles.com.au>...
> > The Enlightenment wrote:
> > >
> > > fyf...@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in message news:<936eaee8.02052...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > "Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pTiH8.119$TY3....@ozemail.com.au>...
> > > > > Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that multicultural /
> > > > > immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
> > > > > theophenosnot
> > > >
> > > > (1)what this person has done is illegal and that is one issue
> > OK
> > > > (2)what has (1) got to do with multiculturalism and immigration?
> > >
> > > He was a fanatical proponent of MC and also a beneficiary of the
> > > multicultrualism idnustry;
> >
> > WHat is "multicultrualism industry" or even the "multiculturalism
> > industry"???
>
> The funds dispersed through all three levels of government,
Aha.... all revenue collected.... nope don't think so!! Better try
again!
> the people hawking diversity prgrams,
So it is the policy differences between the parties..... and who
exactly is "hawking" these "divers pr[o]grams"??? The different
parties, right! It is known as "politics" you know.
> the immigration agents and lawyers,
People who give you advice on correct procedures is "multiculturalism
industry"? A lawyer prosecuting or defending the rights of people - eg
employment conditions, copyright, property rights is "multiculturalism
industry"??
> the academics,
The teachers (who's time you have squandered), the researchers and
fact finders and actual THINKERS.
> social workers,
..who look after the sick, the poor and the mistreated is the
"multiculturalism industry"???
> career ethnics
Now THERE is a real NAZI comment - "career ethnics", as if anyone has
a say in what "ethnicity" they are!! You are a FOOL!!
> and other people building careers and business
...all those people who employ the people.... without whom we would
have 100% unemployment - UNLESS you are advocating that loopy
MARXISM...
> on the billions of dollars of multiculuralism money.
ALL Money is "multicultural" - that is UNLESS you propose some form of
MONOPOLY money in a CLOSED world - pull up the draw bridges - KILL
all exports, create HUGE unemployment and go back to subsistence
farming - create a condition where rats would eat other rats out of
society.
> Did you notice that when Phung Ngo the crook that had his
> Chinese New Year in Prison and the crook that assasinated John Neuman
> was helped with funds by the same people that obtained $200,000/year
> for helping the vietnamese community? People build their careers on
> the infrastructure and mangament of that money.
No fucken Kidding, Chinese New Year should be abolished because a
CHINESE is in JAIL! That's it we have to abolish CHRISTMAS, as there
are THOUSANDS of your WASP's IN JAIL.... BETTER CANCEL EASTER TOO!
So you also claim that the 200K (IF your propaganda was even to be
believed) went to Phung Ngo, who is in JAIL and that is how this
"multi billion multicultural industry" is achieved - GET THROWN IN
JAIL!! For a racist and a Nazi, you are crazier than most!
>
> It is literaly billions of dollars a year and many careers and
> business dependant upon it. No wonder it is so rapaciously promoted.
You have completely lost the plot. HOWEVER if you want to make an even
bigger idiot of yourself than you already have, the LIST the actual
"programs" this money has been spent on.
> > > both legal and illegal, he frequently would
> > > react hytericaly to calm reasoned criticism of his radical
> > > multicultrualism (which included diluting english) by charging his
> > > critics with racism and hate.
> >
> > The only one "diluting English" with gibberish is yourself!! This post
> > is a perfect example!
>
> So says the Seeppo the infamouse ponce of irrationality and
> rhetoric..........
The proof of my claim is in your reply here. It is quite INSANE! It
indicates a complete lack of understating of terms, a complete lack of
understanding of how this nation works.
>
> >
> > No doubt you are a critic of his - NOT including his criminal deeds
> > but all others as well.
>
> Australophobes like you are real racists as well as hypocrits.
Really!! Now you have had to start creating words that don't even
exist - and the underrating of which you do not have!
"austral" adjective; of or relating to the south, in particular:
technical: of the southern hemisphere: the austral spring
-ORIGIN late 15th cent.: from Latin australis, from Auster 'the south,
the south wind'.
"-phobe" combining form denoting a person having a fear or dislike of
what is specified: homophobe | xenophobe. (At least the latter applies
to you)
-ORIGIN from French, via Latin -phobus from Greek -phobos 'fearing',
from phobos 'fear'.
SO, as the illiterate that you are, you claim I have a "fear" of
"southern winds". This is something you have NO KNOWLEDGE of. So your
false accusations are merely an extension of your own "phobia"!!!
> > > What is interesting is his motivation for promoting multiculturalism;
> > > which I'll go into briefly.
> > >
> > > > (3)would you still have made the above statement if he were a native_
> > > > WASP?
> > >
> > > Absolutely! Even more so! Some looney European types want to destroy
> > > western civilization to fullfill their marxist ideologies! They are a
> > > insidious minority however.
> >
> > Are you INCAPABLE of sprouting other words than "marxist" and "post
> > modernism" as something you believe is "reason"? You haven't a clue
> > what they mean in any case, and use them as derogatory terms outside
> > their real meaning. Every one who isn't a rabid Nazi is "marxist" and
> > "post modernism" according to you!
>
> I noted that you've taken my advice reduced you usage of exclamation
> marks.
ROTFL!!!!!
>
> The fact that you yourself are affected by post modern dribble and
> nihilism probably explains your emotion charged reaction.
THAT is plain gibberish again!!
"post-" prefix after in time or order: post-date | post-operative.
-ORIGIN from Latin post 'after, behind'.
"modern" adjective; of or relating to the present or recent times as
opposed to the remote past: the pace of modern life | modern Chinese
history.
characterized by or using the most up-to-date techniques, ideas, or
equipment:
So you claim something about "after the present dribble" - which is a
physical impossibility!!
"nihilism" noun [mass noun]; the rejection of all religious and moral
principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
-ORIGIN early 19th cent.: from Latin nihil 'nothing' + -ism.
"-ism" suffix forming nouns: 1 denoting an action or its result:
baptism | exorcism.
denoting a state or quality: barbarism.
2 denoting a system, principle, or ideological movement: Anglicanism |
feminism | hedonism.
denoting a basis for prejudice or discrimination: racism.
3 denoting a peculiarity in language: colloquialism | Americanism.
4 denoting a pathological condition: alcoholism.
-ORIGIN from French -isme, via Latin from Greek -ismos, -isma.
The "denoting a basis for prejudice or discrimination: racism." fits
YOUR espoused views here.
>
> Post modernism is a poxy ideological phase now universily despised.
See!! I told you you were illiterate!
> It is shallow and gave us polical correcness, hyper-cultural
> relativsm, plus philosphy that is nothing but criticsism without
> creativity.
See!! I told you you were illiterate!
> It gave us nihilsm and the kind of shallow Sophistry you
> are known for. Complete crap; no wonder you pontificate and indulge
> it.
See!! I told you you were illiterate!
> Its perfect for you dinosaur.
Something after the PRESENT.... refers to "DINOSAURS"!! Go back to
school, and learn the language!!
>
> > >
> > > If you hadn't noticed western culture and it s thousand year
> > > traditions is mot compatible to communism at all.
> >
> > Oh, shit... the "Reds under the Beds" paranoia is still alive I see!
>
> Yawn, I won't respond to you stupity except to clarify the point WAS
> that there have been no communist revolutions in any western nation
> and that this clearly indicates something about the strength of
> western values.
BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa.....
You are an IDIOT!! You also attempt to redefine "western nations" as
it suits your Nazi propaganda. But then it is also VERY likely you
don't know what "Communism" actually IS!!
> > > > (4)Do you want to know some stories about the evil deeds performed by
> > > > WASP as individuals and as a group?
> > >
> > > The issue is Theophanous who was profoundly hyproctical. HE brought
> > > up the issue of ethniciticity FIRST all of the time.
> >
> > YOU don't know what he thought. Neither did he do as you claim. You
> > are on your bloody propaganda band wagon again!
>
> How well do YOU know the litigenous little crook?
Enough to say you are not him, and therefor you cannot know what he
thinks.
> How intimate was
> your relationship with Andrew? I can well immagine with your
> extremist promotion of radical multicrapism you might have associated
> with the now convicted crook?
...and I know you are a Nazi because you have admitted being one. I
know NAZIS are only interested in CONTROL over people - to FORCE a
conformity in their social behaviours to NAZI ideals. The elimination
of other than WHITE people - or use those others as slaves.
I have no "association" with "the crook", neither have I claimed such.
Your warped brain has come to that conclusion via your standard "If'n
yer not wiff me, yer wiff the enmy"! You don't defend your claims,
instead you engage is strawman building and attack them!
> > > Incidently you specificaly picking on the WASP minority is somewhat
> > > racist.
> >
> SNIP
> >
> > > WASPs have been the most open and liberal cultures on earth. Please
> > > use "other ethnic groups" instead next time.
> >
> > Oh, it is VERBOTEN to tell the truth about WASPS
> SNIP
Ahhh.... had to EDIT my text I see, well let me put the missing bit
back again:
- and specially the
racist groups within that general group is it - like the NAZIS??
>
> We know your racist biggotry about WASP men and women.
... and being AGAINST NAZI philosophy and propaganda is "racist"...
Yeah right !! GO BACK TO SCHOOL and learn the language.
>
> >
> > > > (5)If you had been given a full meal of what all ethnic groups are
> > > > capable of in terms of eveil deeds, either as individuals and as a
> > > > group, would you redraw your sensationaized statement?
> > >
> > > Theophansous deserves special contempt:
> > > 1 For his hypocrisy.
> >
> > For his CRIMES you mean.
>
> Contempt for his crimes, contempt for his bald faced denial but
> SPECIAL contempt for his hypcrisies
You can ONLY condemn him for his crimes! But then it isn't the CRIME
that bothers you, it is that he assisted IMMIGRANTS who were NOT
WASP's that bothers you!!
> >
> > > 2 For his hatred of the current culture which he continiously sought
> > > to weaken.
> >
> SNIP ad hominem
THAT is a NAZI propaganda claim. Neither is it "ad hominem" - merely
the truth.
> >
> > > 3 For his using shallow rhetoric to shame his opponents to advance his
> > > own ethnocentric pecadilos as well as his personal ones.
> >
> SNIP invalid ad hominem
Another Nazi statement of hate. See above.
> > >
> > > > (6)|The British library in London |today is having an exhibition
> > > > on|"|The rise and fall of "East Indian Company", which was a sole
> > > > British monopoly governing the trade and commerce activities not just
> > > > in the |Far |East but amist various British colonies as well at that
> > > > time. It shows you how British and |French did in terms of smuggling
> > > > opium, please go and have a full meal and afterwards come back to
> > > > withdraw your kintergarden level statement above.
> > >
> > > Yawn; Major of topic distraction by you that belongs in distant
> > > history.
> >
> > .....and you bleat about people 1.5 millennia ago!!
> >
> >
>
> That would be ther era when the cro-magnum and neandertthal you think
> are indistingusable exist?
Oh for christ sake, look up "millennia" in a dictionary, I'm not going
to teach you EVERYTHING there is!!
Seppo Renfors
Ned Latham wrote:
>
> Seppo Renfors wrote in <3CF4E1A0...@not.olles.com.au>:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > Seppo Renfors wrote:
> > > > "The Enlightenment" wrote:
> > > > > "francispoon" wrote:
> > > > > > "Ferdie" wrote:
> > >
> > > ----snip----
> > >
> > > > No doubt you are a critic of his - NOT including his criminal deeds
> > > > but all others as well. Oh, and Nazi's ARE "racists".
> > >
> > > We only have to look at you to see that, Renfors.
> > >
> > > ----snip----
> > >
> > > > SIR -Philosopher Unauthorised
> > >
> > > Says Seppo Renfors, Australophobe and self-confessed Hitler-lover.
> >
> > If people are sick of seeing Ned clutter up the group with his
> > lunatic stalking and his petty hatreds send complaints to:
>
> Have you worked out yet why you're a social outcast, Renfors?
>
> ----snip----
>
> > SIR -Philosopher Unauthorised
>
> Says Seppo Renfors, Pontifex Peccabilissimus.
>
> Ned
> --
If people are sick of seeing Ned clutter up the group with his
lunatic stalking and his petty hatreds send complaints to:
Ned Latham
> "The Enlightenment" wrote:
----snip----
> > Australophobes like you are real racists as well as hypocrits.
>
> Really!! Now you have had to start creating words that don't even
> exist - and the underrating of which you do not have!
>
> "austral" adjective; of or relating to the south, in particular:
> technical: of the southern hemisphere: the austral spring
>
> -ORIGIN late 15th cent.: from Latin australis, from Auster 'the south,
> the south wind'.
>
> "-phobe" combining form denoting a person having a fear or dislike of
> what is specified: homophobe | xenophobe. (At least the latter applies
> to you)
> -ORIGIN from French, via Latin -phobus from Greek -phobos 'fearing',
> from phobos 'fear'.
That blunderous babble comes to you from the cretinous clown who frantically
denies that we can derive "seppo" from "septic tank" as revealed in "Seppo
Renfors Exposed again.", <slrn8rbvk4....@messy.apex.net.au> (the
writers are Renfors, me, Renfors, me):
> * > > > The format is "yank"= "septic tank", and in the correct fashion
> * > > > would be shortened to only "septic".
> * > >
> * > > You wouldn't know "correct" if it bit you on the arse. "Seppo"
> * > > contracts as naturally from "septic tank" as "garbo" does from
> * > > "garbage man".
> * >
> * > here we have it again FORCED to educate someone in a language they
> * > "claim" to understand. It really is pathetic when they only know ONE
> * > to begin with and can't even hack that one!!
> * >
> * > Listen carefully Bozo, "garbage" is abbreviated to "garb" and THEN an
> * > "o" added to the end, making it "garbo". Take "Septic" and do the same
> * > it ends up as "septo",
> *
> * Tell us how we didn't derive "arvo" from "afternoon", moron.
And while you're at it, moron:
Tell us again about blackberries and Patterson's Curse being the same.
Tell us again about "politically" and "publicly" being the same.
Tell us again about "private" and "public" being the same.
Tell us again about "occasional" and "habitual" being the same.
Tell us again about "referred to" and "named" being the same.
Tell us again about "first" and "second" being the same.
Tell us again about "tolerance" and "indifference" being the same.
> SO, as the illiterate that you are, you claim I have a "fear" of
> "southern winds".
Wrong again, moron. You have a pathological fear and/or hatred of
Australia(ns).
Did the kids at school spurn you for dobbing them in when they had
a bit of a giggle about your name?
You pathetic sook.
----snip----
> SIR -Philosopher Unauthorised
Says Seppo Renfors, the mad dog Australophobe who lectures people on
things he doesn't understand.
Mosley Jones III
: should or should not have multiculturalism but is in the footing of
: the bills. That is to say, should government get involved in the
: maintenance of such a doctrine and to what extent they should get
: involved? Perhaps the government can give a tax break to those
: corporations that hire the ones who just get off the boats.
we want to hire our own we don't want immigrates, when we want them we will give you a call.
: FP
Mosley Jones III
rubbish,
Corruption is part of Chinese life every where, in china or abroad, you can't trust them to do the right thing, in fact you can bank
on them cheating somewhere
francispoon
> "francispoon" <fyf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:936eaee8.02052...@posting.google.com...
> : Thus the key to the whole thing is not in arguing whether or not we
> : should or should not have multiculturalism but is in the footing of
> : the bills. That is to say, should government get involved in the
> : maintenance of such a doctrine and to what extent they should get
> : involved? Perhaps the government can give a tax break to those
> : corporations that hire the ones who just get off the boats.
> :
>
> we want to hire our own we don't want immigrates, when we want them we will give you a call.
>
have an economic base, I will advise you. In the meanwhile, please
focus your energy on what you know the best, namely the Asian gangs
and drug dealers.
FP
Seppo Renfors
Ned Latham wrote:
>
> Seppo Renfors wrote in <3CF5936A...@not.olles.com.au>:
> > "The Enlightenment" wrote:
>
> ----snip----
>
> You pathetic sook.
>
> ----snip----
>
> > SIR -Philosopher Unauthorised
>
> Says Seppo Renfors, the mad dog Australophobe who lectures people on
> things he doesn't understand.
>
> Ned
> --
If people are sick of seeing Ned clutter up the group with his
lunatic stalking and his petty hatreds send complaints to:
n...@aussie-culture.net
n...@apex.net.au
secu...@connect.com.au
geo...@apex.net.au
rob...@apex.net.au
twa...@apex.net.au
rob...@ns1.apex.net.au
ab...@apex.net.au
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Seppo Renfors wrote:
> > > "The Enlightenment" wrote:
> >
> > ----snip----
> *
> * > > Australophobes like you are real racists as well as hypocrits.
> * >
> * > Really!! Now you have had to start creating words that don't even
> * > exist - and the underrating of which you do not have!
> * >
> * > "austral" adjective; of or relating to the south, in particular:
> * > technical: of the southern hemisphere: the austral spring
> * >
> * > -ORIGIN late 15th cent.: from Latin australis, from Auster 'the south,
> * > the south wind'.
> * >
> * > "-phobe" combining form denoting a person having a fear or dislike of
> * > what is specified: homophobe | xenophobe. (At least the latter applies
> * > to you)
> * > -ORIGIN from French, via Latin -phobus from Greek -phobos 'fearing',
> * > from phobos 'fear'.
> *
> * That blunderous babble comes to you from the cretinous clown who frantically
> * denies that we can derive "seppo" from "septic tank" as revealed in "Seppo
> * Renfors Exposed again.", <slrn8rbvk4....@messy.apex.net.au> (the
> * writers are Renfors, me, Renfors, me):
> *
> * > * > > > The format is "yank"= "septic tank", and in the correct fashion
> * > * > > > would be shortened to only "septic".
> * > * > >
> * > * > > You wouldn't know "correct" if it bit you on the arse. "Seppo"
> * > * > > "garbage man".
> * > * >
> * > * > here we have it again FORCED to educate someone in a language they
> * > * > to begin with and can't even hack that one!!
> * > * >
> * > * > Listen carefully Bozo, "garbage" is abbreviated to "garb" and THEN an
> * > * > it ends up as "septo",
> * > *
> * > * Tell us how we didn't derive "arvo" from "afternoon", moron.
> * And while you're at it, moron:
> *
> * Tell us again about blackberries and Patterson's Curse being the same.
> * Tell us again about "politically" and "publicly" being the same.
> * Tell us again about "private" and "public" being the same.
> * Tell us again about "occasional" and "habitual" being the same.
> * Tell us again about "referred to" and "named" being the same.
> * Tell us again about "first" and "second" being the same.
> * Tell us again about "tolerance" and "indifference" being the same.
> *
> * > SO, as the illiterate that you are, you claim I have a "fear" of
> * > "southern winds".
> *
> * Wrong again, moron. You have a pathological fear and/or hatred of
> * Australia(ns).
> *
> * Did the kids at school spurn you for dobbing them in when they had
> * a bit of a giggle about your name?
(Surreptitious snip restored.)
> > You pathetic sook.
> >
> > ----snip----
> >
> > > SIR -Philosopher Unauthorised
> >
> > Says Seppo Renfors, the mad dog Australophobe who lectures people on
> > things he doesn't understand.
>
> If people are sick of seeing Ned clutter up the group with his
> lunatic stalking and his petty hatreds send complaints to:
Have you worked out yet why you're a social outcast, Renfors?
----snip----
> SIR -Philosopher Unauthorised
Says Seppo Renfors, Pontifex Peccabilissimus.
Seppo Renfors
Ned Latham wrote:
>
> Seppo Renfors wrote in <3CF84458...@not.olles.com.au>:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > Seppo Renfors wrote:
> > > > "The Enlightenment" wrote:
> > >
> > > ----snip----
> > >
> > > You pathetic sook.
> > >
> > > ----snip----
> > >
> > > > SIR -Philosopher Unauthorised
> > >
> > > Says Seppo Renfors, the mad dog Australophobe who lectures people on
> > > things he doesn't understand.
> >
> > If people are sick of seeing Ned clutter up the group with his
> > lunatic stalking and his petty hatreds send complaints to:
>
> Have you worked out yet why you're a social outcast, Renfors?
>
> ----snip----
>
> > SIR -Philosopher Unauthorised
>
> Says Seppo Renfors, Pontifex Peccabilissimus.
>
> Ned
> --
If people are sick of seeing Ned clutter up the group with his
lunatic stalking and his petty hatreds send complaints to:
Mosley Jones III
"francispoon" <fyf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:936eaee8.02053...@posting.google.com...
: "Mosley Jones III" <m...@here.com> wrote in message news:<3cf8...@quokka.wn.com.au>...
Poondexter, didn't I embarrass you over immigrates and unemployment before?
:
: FP
francispoon
> "Laetitia Casta" <laetit...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<PM_H8.18187$b5.6...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
> > "Ferdie" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:pTiH8.119$TY3....@ozemail.com.au...
> > > Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that multicultural /
> > > immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
> > > theophenosnot
> >
> > This guy even told a Chinese woman if she had regular sex with him, he would
> > help her family to migrate to Australia. Then he did not keep his side of
> > the bargain - i.e. he regulary had sex with her and did not help her family
> > to migrate. Nice guy. He knew she couldn't complain about it.
> >
> > Immigration is probably the most corrupt government department there is,
> > when the ALP is in office, because of the connection to branch stacking.
> > Also related is the ALPs strategy to change the ethnic identity of the
> > nation to make it more likely to vote for the ALP. This issue goes well
> > beyond the behaviour of this rather pathetic bloke.
> >
> >
>
> More than onece I've heard this 'rumour". Not only in Australia but
> I've heard that for instance that Australain embassy staff (who are
> not australian these day for cost reasons) seem to be corrupt. In
> Malaysia the staff is ethncic chinese and I haven't heard anything
> good said.
>
> Its rumours ofcourse but in places with open "corruption" you don't
In order to find out whether or not this is rumor, the first thing you
should do is to weigh on their behalf whether or not it is worth their
while to be corrupt. That is to say, what is the opportunity cost for
their conducting corruption? Given the fact that they are the citizens
of Australia, and paid well in relation to what the local people out
there make, I doubt very seriously what you heard is true. The staff
of the Canadian embassies in China and Hong Kong are also ethnic
Chinese. There has hardly been any rumor about their being corrupt.
Corruption is a criminal offense. If you had evidence, please do
present them. The collectivist expressions such as "this is what
other people say..." or "it is well known that'''" are not sufficient
to indict on people. By making statements like that without solid
evidence, you are basically charging the Australians embassies for
corruption, and the one in charge, unlikely to be an ethnic Chinese,
to have collaborated in the process. HK population is by and large
ethnic Chinese. Singapore is too. There has hardly been rampant
corruption among them.
FP
The Enlightenment
> The Enlightenment wrote:
> >
> > "Laetitia Casta" <laetit...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<PM_H8.18187$b5.6...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
>
>
> > > This guy even told a Chinese woman if she had regular sex with him, he would
> > > help her family to migrate to Australia. Then he did not keep his side of
> > > the bargain - i.e. he regulary had sex with her and did not help her family
> > > to migrate. Nice guy. He knew she couldn't complain about it.
> > >
> > > Immigration is probably the most corrupt government department there is,
> > > when the ALP is in office, because of the connection to branch stacking.
> > > Also related is the ALPs strategy to change the ethnic identity of the
> > > nation to make it more likely to vote for the ALP. This issue goes well
> > > beyond the behaviour of this rather pathetic bloke.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > More than onece I've heard this 'rumour". Not only in Australia but
> > I've heard that for instance that Australain embassy staff (who are
> > not australian these day for cost reasons) seem to be corrupt. In
> > Malaysia the staff is ethncic chinese and I haven't heard anything
> > good said.
>
> language. Of course the AMBASSADOR and his personal staff are Aussies.
Yawn, so a few extra Aussies need to learn Chinese. That woulds
create few career sino experts and help us see into their culture
through western eyes.
It does cost a bit more money though.
> >
> > Its rumours ofcourse but in places with open "corruption" you don't
> > need to mae such rumours up.
>
> SO you are accusing the Aussie AMBASSADOR of being CORRUPT!
Err No. That is just your posturing and puffing.
> cares as long as you can blow life into the coals of hatred, eh.
Well, being inexperienced in the cultures of the world I must
enlighten youy that Malaysia is a multiracial country with a few
multicultural problems. I won't mention names or ethnicticities but
while haveing Pork Buns from a Hawker Stall in Panang members form one
goups complained of corrution and bias in the immigration
applications. In Malaysia apart form the Malays, several chinese
ethniciticities, indians, eurasians, Noonya.
Basicaly the Malayus control the organs of Government and the Chinese
business. They seem to take care of their own first.
Moderate corruption is endemic in the country.
SKD
> Even though ahead of time, June's award must go to that multicultural /
> immigration guru and labor party mentor, doctor andrew (greek cypriot)
> theophenosnot
>
He may have lined the pockets here and there (and he is going to pay
it back with interest), but that's nothing compared to allegations
against Ruddock. We are talking major league. No wonder there's a bit
of backpaddling started over the international criminal court.