Art School Asians
mst
Contrary to the stereotype of all Asians being science/math/technology
majors, two of my seniors (one Chinese, one Korean) are going to two of the
most prestigious art schools in the US. They are the first Asians from my
high school to do this, it's actually quite incredible that TWO Asian
students would break from tradition in the same year.
The Chicago School of Art and The Rhode Island School of Design are both
EXTREMELY rigorous and competitive, and both require extensive, high quality
portfolios for admission. I'm very proud of them, and hope they will do
well. It will be hard, I think, for them to be so far away from home...but
since they are both recent immigrants, I guess they haven't formed THAT
strong of an attachment to California, anyway. It is kind of interesting
that they ARE recent immigrants, and not assimilated, as I would've thought
immigrant families were stricter about making their kids get a "real"
education...maybe they came here precisely because they wanted their child
to attend art school...something not available in their home countries.
Who knows, maybe one of these kids will go on to be the next Doug Chiang.
It's good to see our horizons expanding.
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Majestic
>Some good news.
>
>Contrary to the stereotype of all Asians being science/math/technology
>majors, two of my seniors (one Chinese, one Korean) are going to two of the
>most prestigious art schools in the US. They are the first Asians from my
>high school to do this, it's actually quite incredible that TWO Asian
>students would break from tradition in the same year.
Um, it's just that, a *stereotype*.
The Undergraduate art department that I am in is fully
half Asian, and out of that almost entirely Chinese and
mostly recent immigrants. And all Women.
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Mr. Tambourine Man
mst wrote in message <0Q623.1152$Nb2....@news.rdc1.sfba.home.com>...
>Some good news.
>
>Contrary to the stereotype of all Asians being science/math/technology
>majors, two of my seniors (one Chinese, one Korean) are going to two of the
>most prestigious art schools in the US. They are the first Asians from my
>high school to do this, it's actually quite incredible that TWO Asian
>students would break from tradition in the same year.
>
>EXTREMELY rigorous and competitive, and both require extensive, high
quality
>portfolios for admission. I'm very proud of them, and hope they will do
>well. It will be hard, I think, for them to be so far away from home...but
>since they are both recent immigrants, I guess they haven't formed THAT
>strong of an attachment to California, anyway. It is kind of interesting
>that they ARE recent immigrants, and not assimilated, as I would've thought
>immigrant families were stricter about making their kids get a "real"
>education...maybe they came here precisely because they wanted their child
>to attend art school...something not available in their home countries.
>
>Who knows, maybe one of these kids will go on to be the next Doug Chiang.
>It's good to see our horizons expanding.
>
haha, doug chiang that comic book style artist for star wars. what a joke.
i mean who the fuck needs to go to art school to design jar jar?
it's true that asian kids do participate in the arts but most are without
innovative impulse and imagination... which is why so many asian kids end up
going to classical music schools where they merely learn to copy music
that's already been composed and performed a zillion times before.
Mr. Tambourine Man
mst wrote in message ...
>Majestic wrote in message ...
>>The Undergraduate art department that I am in is fully
>>half Asian, and out of that almost entirely Chinese and
>>mostly recent immigrants. And all Women.
>
>
>Going to art school is somewhat different than majoring in art at a
>university. It's more hardcore, requires having SERIOUSLY considered art
as
>a career as early as 16, putting together a portfolio, interviewing,
>committing a LARGE amount of money to tuition (no public art schools, yet).
>
>At my high school, these are the first Asian students to do this, and we
>have a VERY large Asian population. I think it's a good sign, that the
>rigid expectations of the Asian parents in our community is starting to
>diversify. I mean, ten years ago, almost ALL the Asians I knew went into
>math, science or engineering...I was the only one from my high school to go
>to Berkeley and major in English.
>
>I know that the stereotype of Asians not "being" artistic is false...but
>looking at educational/employment trends/statistics, you'd be hard pressed
>to say that they've been as prominent in art as they have been in science.
>That we are now seeing young Asians pursuing these fields of study means
>that we will be seeing Asians branching out into more diverse occupations
as
>well.
>
>--
shut up you pompous bitch.
mst
Where is this?
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Majestic
>Majestic wrote in message ...
>>The Undergraduate art department that I am in is fully
>>half Asian, and out of that almost entirely Chinese and
>>mostly recent immigrants. And all Women.
>
>Where is this?
I'd rather not say, there's psychos about.
>Going to art school is somewhat different than majoring in art at a
>university. It's more hardcore, requires having SERIOUSLY considered art as
>a career as early as 16, putting together a portfolio, interviewing,
These colleagues of mine are in it for the long haul, and
considering that my university is not a dedicated art school,
and that they are majoring in art, some of them several focuses
(double majors) then that ought to lend to my case of their
resolve in the matter.
>committing a LARGE amount of money to tuition (no public art schools,
yet).
nonsense. There are no *big name* dedicated public Art colleges,
but many state universities have Art programs that can handly
compete with the big name art schools in results, if not
well-funded facilities.
--
mst
>
>I'd rather not say, there's psychos about.
Seeing the response I've received from Mr. Tambourine Man, I don't blame
you. Of course, being in Berkeley, it's easy for me to dissappear into the
yellow hordes swarming over the campus...did I need to put a smiley there?
I know that there are good art programs at the state schools, but the
prestigious art schools have a certain premium, just like the Ivy League
unis. The actual QUALITY of education may not be much different, depending
on individual experience, but hobnobbing with the elite, networking, and
just BEING in a place where people are EXPECTED to make it big will help
young artists break into the art world. Yes, that's a snobby attitude, but
let's face it, in the US, art has traditionally been the realm of elitist
snobs...that's not going to change much, it'll change even less if ethnic
minorities are shut out of those elite circles.
I don't know that I would necessarily send my son (who IS artistically
inclined) to an art school, but I'm glad to see that SOME Asian parents are
now starting to accept this as a viable career path. It would be VERY hard
to go through art school without parental support, they cost as much as a
high end private university.
Actually, you mentioned your friends were double majoring in Art and
something else...that has often been the only way Asian parents will ALLOW
their kids to major in something "frivolous" like Art (or Music, or
English), they have to back it up with a "useful" degree. This is not an
option in art school, so the fact that the parents are willing to allow
their kids to go there, as well as foot the hefty bill, is a sign that
they're starting to see that art is a REAL career, not just a hobby.
This is good.
Majestic
>Majestic wrote in message ...
>>>Where is this?
>>
>>I'd rather not say, there's psychos about.
>
>
>Seeing the response I've received from Mr. Tambourine Man, I don't blame
>you. Of course, being in Berkeley, it's easy for me to dissappear into the
>yellow hordes swarming over the campus...did I need to put a smiley there?
Let us just say that the state school I am at might as well
be Berkley in that respect. ;)
>I know that there are good art programs at the state schools, but the
>prestigious art schools have a certain premium, just like the Ivy League
>unis. The actual QUALITY of education may not be much different, depending
>on individual experience, but hobnobbing with the elite, networking, and
>just BEING in a place where people are EXPECTED to make it big will help
>young artists break into the art world. Yes, that's a snobby attitude, but
>let's face it, in the US, art has traditionally been the realm of elitist
>snobs...that's not going to change much, it'll change even less if ethnic
>minorities are shut out of those elite circles.
The "Art World" is a sham, but that is a different discussion.
I have become convinced that in Art and Media, one it not as
readily enabled by the networking and names of "big" school,
not the same way that say, my engineering friends at MIT are.
prevalant attitudes concerning "Art" limit these things. Art
is changing and most people's definitions thereof are limited.
>I don't know that I would necessarily send my son (who IS artistically
>inclined) to an art school, but I'm glad to see that SOME Asian parents are
>now starting to accept this as a viable career path. It would be VERY hard
>to go through art school without parental support, they cost as much as a
>high end private university.
Well, I'm not certain how direcly accepting my friend's parents
are of it all in general.. in most cases, they are pretty rebelious.. :)
>Actually, you mentioned your friends were double majoring in Art and
>something else...that has often been the only way Asian parents will ALLOW
>their kids to major in something "frivolous" like Art (or Music, or
>English), they have to back it up with a "useful" degree. This is not an
>option in art school, so the fact that the parents are willing to allow
>their kids to go there, as well as foot the hefty bill, is a sign that
>they're starting to see that art is a REAL career, not just a hobby.
Good point. When I refered to my friend's double majors, that was
double art majors, such as Photography and Digital, or Digital and
Illustration.
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Cygnus X-1
everyone influence people on a grand scale... Push the boundaries of
whatever they can to bring a new level of understanding or imagination in
some area weather its art,media,sports, whatever.... Weve been clouded by
darkness too long.. hidden under the sheath of the public eyes.. We need
to excel in an area that is so endearing to the public conciousness and not
just redo something over again.. And we need to make everyone aware of it
too!!!! That asians are infact doing it.. We need to put a face on the work
that were doing!
Majestic wrote in message ...
Jason
<superpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>it's true that asian kids do participate in the arts but most are without
>innovative impulse and imagination... which is why so many asian kids end up
>going to classical music schools where they merely learn to copy music
>that's already been composed and performed a zillion times before.
>
>
Don't advertise your ignorance! Why do you think there are countless
Mozart rendition by different Classical Artists?
Simply put, all famous artists have different distinction and styles
that make them special. Because you can't distinguish styles of Yo-yo
Ma, Sarah Chang from other second rate artists does not mean they are
not imaginative and lack innovative impulse. It is YOU, who lack
Innovative impulse and Imagination to know the difference!
Jason
Mr Tamborine Man
My background in classical music is very limited.
I am not going to be able to tell the difference
from one Mozart rendition to another. All classical
music sounds the same to me. I grew up on very loud
American pop and Anime music - which why I am
slightly tone deaf. But have you seen the seiyuu
for 'Priss' in the Japanese Anime 'Bubblegum Crisis'?
What a babe! She Rocks!
mst
>double art majors, such as Photography and Digital, or Digital and
>Illustration.
You know what, it just occurred to me that the digital revolution may have
had some influence on the "acceptablility" of an art career to Asian
parents. After all, it's computer based, right? If the kid really CAN'T
find a job in art, they can always apply their education to some other
computer-related field. Not to mention that with the advent of digital art,
graphic jobs have skyrocketed...good visuals are now EXPECTED in any
respectable presentation, and SOMEBODY'S got to do them.
Both of my students are also interested in computer-graphics. Doug Chiang
must have a pretty extensive digital background to work at ILM. And Ron
Chan, another prominent graphic artist, is very involved in the whole
digital art circle...he presents at Photoshop conferences and such.
Any other prominent modern Asian-American artists anyone can think of? Do
they work in computers or in more "traditional" media?
Majestic
>had some influence on the "acceptablility" of an art career to Asian
>parents. After all, it's computer based, right? If the kid really CAN'T
>find a job in art, they can always apply their education to some other
>computer-related field. Not to mention that with the advent of digital art,
>graphic jobs have skyrocketed...good visuals are now EXPECTED in any
>respectable presentation, and SOMEBODY'S got to do them.
This is very true, allthough some of my friends are Painters,
Illustrators, Sculptors, and Photographers.
>Any other prominent modern Asian-American artists anyone can think of? Do
>they work in computers or in more "traditional" media?
Maya Lin is the biggest name that comes to mind. She was the sculptor
who designed the Vietnam Memorial.
pUpPy LoVe
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Richard Lee
: Majestic wrote in message ...
: >The Undergraduate art department that I am in is fully
: >half Asian, and out of that almost entirely Chinese and
: >mostly recent immigrants. And all Women.
: Where is this?
: Going to art school is somewhat different than majoring in art at a
: university. It's more hardcore, requires having SERIOUSLY considered art as
: a career as early as 16, putting together a portfolio, interviewing,
: committing a LARGE amount of money to tuition (no public art schools, yet).
On a related note, an Asian Indian friend of mine who graduated in
molecular and cell biology from UC Berkeley and who was in the School of
Public Health at North Carolina just dropped out to go to acting school in
New York.
Go Ajith.
Richard Lee
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mst
>On a related note, an Asian Indian friend of mine who graduated in
>molecular and cell biology from UC Berkeley and who was in the School of
>Public Health at North Carolina just dropped out to go to acting school in
>New York.
Bold move, good for him. How are the folks taking it?
Richard Lee
: Richard Lee wrote in message <7ig210$gu8$2...@its.hooked.net>...
: >On a related note, an Asian Indian friend of mine who graduated in
: >molecular and cell biology from UC Berkeley and who was in the School of
: >Public Health at North Carolina just dropped out to go to acting school in
: >New York.
: Bold move, good for him. How are the folks taking it?
Dad died over 10 years ago. Mom lets him do what he wants, as he's the
baby of the family.
I think Ajith's goal is to take over for Conan O'Brien.
Walter Lee
>
> ALRIGHT WHO IS THE F*CKING IMPOSTER?
You overreacting.
As an anonymous poster you have no identity
or reputation to protect. One cannot create
a false identity for an anonymous person.
Such a concept would be a oxymoron.
pUpPy, you are a MORON but a OXYMORON is something
altogether very different.
hehehehehe (^_^)
[snip]
Shekky
mst wrote in message <4CD23.142$u03...@news.rdc1.sfba.home.com>...
>You know what, it just occurred to me that the digital revolution may have
>had some influence on the "acceptablility" of an art career to Asian
>parents. After all, it's computer based, right? If the kid really CAN'T
>find a job in art, they can always apply their education to some other
>computer-related field. Not to mention that with the advent of digital
art,
>graphic jobs have skyrocketed...good visuals are now EXPECTED in any
>respectable presentation, and SOMEBODY'S got to do them.
This is a good point. Most of the Asians who go into "art" seem to go into
graphic design. But, I don't consider graphic design to be art. It's too
damn practical. It's kinda like people majoring in English who intend to go
to law school, ie. the liberal arts dumping ground. Art by definition is
the path to poverty. Graphic design folks are too fat and happy to fit that
description, therefore they are not artists. Hmmm...maybe our parents were
right.
Shekky
P.S. Anyone interested in a mint condition portrait of "Dogs Playing
Poker"?
mst
>This is a good point. Most of the Asians who go into "art" seem to go into
>graphic design. But, I don't consider graphic design to be art. It's too
>damn practical.
Art is what you make of it. Like most professions, there's a range of
possible income. Sometimes, it can be quite lucrative...other times it's
hand-to-mouth, but if you're realistic and dedicated, you should be able to
make a comfortable living.
>It's kinda like people majoring in English who intend to go
>to law school, ie. the liberal arts dumping ground. Art by definition is
>the path to poverty.
I'm sure Picasso's heirs are bemoaning their misfortune. Warhol certainly
didn't suffer a pauper's fate. Where did you come up with your narrow
little definition of art?
>Graphic design folks are too fat and happy to fit that
>description, therefore they are not artists.
That's a rather limited idea of what art is, don't you think? Especially
considering how much of today's art is based on the "graphic design" of
previous generations, a la advertising and architecture.
>Hmmm...maybe our parents were right.
God forbid we should turn into our parents and deny yet another generation
the opportunity to fulfill their dreams. Parents (not just Asians, but in
the US, they are somewhat MORE vocal about this particular issue) can be
rather paranoid about financial security, sometimes at the expense of
personal satisfaction.
>P.S. Anyone interested in a mint condition portrait of "Dogs Playing
>Poker"?
Got my own already...it's titled "Bold Bluff," by the way.
Richard Lee
: Art by definition is the path to poverty.
In what art history text is this written? What you consider art is
probably much different than what people who are actually in the field of
the arts (dramatic, graphic, visual, performance, whatever) consider
"art."
John Ko
> Shekky (she...@excite.com) scribbled:
> : Art by definition is the path to poverty.
>
>
> In what art history text is this written? What you consider art is
> probably much different than what people who are actually in the field of
> the arts (dramatic, graphic, visual, performance, whatever) consider
> "art."
>
> Richard Lee
I just took that comment facetiously. I think he was referring to the kind
of art-making where the artist, rather than working in an industry, is
pursuing a much more personal vision/expression of art. I think you can
divide up the world of "art" into various components like: applied arts,
performing arts, dramatic arts, "art-for-art's sake".
things like graphic design & illustration would fall into applied arts.
Performing arts include the obvious: dance, music
Dramatic arts: theater, TV, film, etc.
art-for-art's sake: In this definition, although the particular medium
plays a part, I don't necessarily define it by the art *medium*, but
rather the social context. Filmmakers who choose to make brilliant short,
or experimental films. I know PLENTY of installation artists in NYC who
have a full-time job doing something else to support their art - and they
don't have any illusions about that changing any time soon. The lucky few
subsist on dwindling public grants and a *really* low standard of living.
Many other art professions allow people to make a living in the industry
without starving, and without "compromising" their "artistic integrity" -
something that weighs heavily with many "artists." Desgin, photography,
and other things that have very marketable, application-oriented aspects
to them, and can be used in a wide variety of situations.
But things like Painting (unlike photography, even though both are visual
arts), dance, acting are completely dependent those particular fields -
there isn't much chance of getting jobs in the mainstream economy on those
particular skills. Filmmaking is a strange animal. You can take your
technical (camerawork, editing, production) skills and find plenty of work
in film, TV, cable, corporate video, even *wedding videos* (a nightmarish
thought for most people), and find work. But if you want to *make* your
own films (write/direct), that's a whole other ball game. But we'll get
there eventually!
It's true that there are TONS of graphic designers, illustrators, web
designers, etc. who are Asian, but I'd like to see more "art" with an
Asian face to it. There are many already "behind the scenes", like Doug
Chiang, whom many have mentioned. To use a filmmaking analogy, now that
there are people "behind the camera", let's get more "in front" of the
camera.
-John