Crouching Tiger. What a stupid Chinese stuff!
leol...@my-deja.com
Imagine people are flying and jumping above the roof and airborn and
all kind of birdy trick as human being to show as a form of art???
Imagine darkage knights jump above the castle and show their
bloodbath??
Imagine the samurai swordmen jump above a roof and show their skill??
Sound ridiculous??? Not according to the Chinese movie.
I didn't see the Crouching Tiger: Hidden dragon but I knew how the
script of the movie would turned out. My cousine told me after his
whole family watched the film saying "Is this movie about superman or
what?" He thought the movie is so dumb.
Human being is jumped above the roof? Gimme a break!
YOu can NOT jumped above the roof unless you are totally opinionated
chinese.
I can't believe the artistic mentality of the chinese silly people.
Crouching Tiger is a total cliche and should be made for cartoon
or should be made for a fair-tale.
The movie does not even fit any category of abstract form of art. It's
total mindless garbage which shows the narrow-mindness and lack of
geniue creativity of the Chinese culture and civilizaton.
NO wonder why Chineses are just shity terrible nitemare people!
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Macdaddy
at least learn the English well enough to express yourself properly.
Daniel Donghoon Paik
>I didn't see the Crouching Tiger: Hidden dragon but I knew how the
>script of the movie would turned out. My cousine told me after his
>whole family watched the film saying "Is this movie about superman or
>what?" He thought the movie is so dumb.
unlike you...i actually saw the movie. the jumping and flying around was
pretty dumb but the story itself was pretty good and the actors of the
film portrayed their roles very well.
there's an underlying love triangle that exists but is not expressed
explicitly. however, you can tell from watching the actors that it does
indeed exist.
there is also a lot of symbolism.
but that's enough talk for you. how can i say this nicely? well...you
wouldn't be able to understand this.
Dan.
--
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i was bored one day and ended up making http://www.hanguk.com/danpaik
Velella...27 ft Catalina. home port: Redondo Beach, CA.
Who let the dogs out?
Mitch Peabody
He reminds me somewhat of JeffK on somethingawful.com
http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/
Almost as if he's trying to sound like a moron.
> Imagine people are flying and jumping above the roof and airborn and
> all kind of birdy trick as human being to show as a form of art???
> Imagine darkage knights jump above the castle and show their
> bloodbath??
> Imagine the samurai swordmen jump above a roof and show their skill??
>
> Sound ridiculous??? Not according to the Chinese movie.
>
> I didn't see the Crouching Tiger: Hidden dragon but I knew how the
> script of the movie would turned out. My cousine told me after his
> whole family watched the film saying "Is this movie about superman or
> what?" He thought the movie is so dumb.
>
> Human being is jumped above the roof? Gimme a break!
> YOu can NOT jumped above the roof unless you are totally opinionated
> chinese.
As if some of the movies produced in the US depict completely realistic
situtuations...
> I can't believe the artistic mentality of the chinese silly people.
I won't go so far as to say that all China's art is vastly superior to
Western art, but I prefer art by Qi Bai Shi or Chu Ying over just
about anything by Picasso. I've found it very difficult for even
stuff by Van Gogh to move me as much as the plethora of landscape
paintings by Chen Zhou, Wang Ximeng, the list goes on and on. The
poetry is also incredible, if only for the fact that interpreting it
is about 10 times harder than most Western poets (at least for me) and
quite possibly because so much meaning can be conveyed in very few
characters. But then again, that's just a preference in style... that
or an indication of intellect. :-)
--
Mitch Peabody
mi...@drexel.edu
"Everything changes, nothing remains without change."
JTB
> all kind of birdy trick as human being to show as a form of art???
> Imagine darkage knights jump above the castle and show their
> bloodbath??
> Imagine the samurai swordmen jump above a roof and show their skill??
>
*sigh*
What can you say to someone who doesn't watch a movie but still confuses
fantasy and reality...
Hmmm...
Next he'll probably say the DPRK is the only truly democratic country
because they have it in their name...
--
It's not the fight you dream of; it's the one you really fought!
It's not what you were born with; it's what you do with what you've got!
JTB
Mitch Peabody <mi...@n2-192-200.resnet.drexel.edu> wrote:
[snip]
> I won't go so far as to say that all China's art is vastly superior to
> Western art, but I prefer art by Qi Bai Shi or Chu Ying over just
> about anything by Picasso. I've found it very difficult for even
> stuff by Van Gogh to move me as much as the plethora of landscape
> paintings by Chen Zhou, Wang Ximeng, the list goes on and on. The
> poetry is also incredible, if only for the fact that interpreting it
> is about 10 times harder than most Western poets (at least for me) and
> quite possibly because so much meaning can be conveyed in very few
> characters. But then again, that's just a preference in style... that
> or an indication of intellect. :-)
>
Since Picasso was a communist and Van Gogh was insane, you really
haven't compared "apples to apples"... You might have mentioned
"better" painters than those two (Matisse, Monet, and Manet spring to
mind; but that's just me), sculpters (such as Michelangelo), any Western
poets (William Shakespeare, Robert Browning, Edna St. Vincent Millay,
Rudyard Kipling), composers (like Beethoven, JS Bach, Vivaldi, Mozart,
or even Tesh)
But I agree there is a lot of art available in places other than
Western Europe. I get the impression you may be saying that anyone who
believes all great art can be contained in the works of any one country
or region doesn't understand art. If so, I emphatically agree.
If, on the other hand, you think Chinese art is by definition superior
to Western art, may I suggest that art exists only in so far as it moves
and involves the beholder--and thus varies with each experience an
individual has...
--
It's not the fight you dream of; it's the one you really fought!
It's not what you were born with; it's what you do with what you've got!
Mitch Peabody
JTB <setn...@my-deja.com> writes:
> Since Picasso was a communist and Van Gogh was insane, you really
> haven't compared "apples to apples"... You might have mentioned
> "better" painters than those two (Matisse, Monet, and Manet spring to
> mind; but that's just me), sculpters (such as Michelangelo), any Western
> poets (William Shakespeare, Robert Browning, Edna St. Vincent Millay,
> Rudyard Kipling), composers (like Beethoven, JS Bach, Vivaldi, Mozart,
> or even Tesh)
That's true, I haven't compared apples to apples; although I don't
think that is shown by Picasso's political views or Vangogh's mental
problems. I think it would be better put if it was mentioned that the
particular styles are different. I named people from the top of my
head. Now, I've never really liked Picasso, but Van Gogh, Monet,
Michaelangelo, Shakespeare, et al are all wonderfully enjoyable; in
their own particular style. I still like their paintings, sculptures,
and poetry, but I also find traditional Chinese paintings to be beautiful in
their own right.
> But I agree there is a lot of art available in places other than
> Western Europe. I get the impression you may be saying that anyone who
> believes all great art can be contained in the works of any one country
> or region doesn't understand art. If so, I emphatically agree.
I took issue with him implying that China contains no artistic talent,
which I think you and I can agree, is just as bigoted, if not worse than
someone saying only one country produces all the great art work. Leolee
has demonstrated his lack of understanding of anything... repeatedly. :-)
>
> If, on the other hand, you think Chinese art is by definition superior
> to Western art, may I suggest that art exists only in so far as it moves
> and involves the beholder--and thus varies with each experience an
> individual has...
Ofcourse, art is always a subjective endeavor; which is why even if I
don't like Picasso's art, I won't call it bad... for whatever reason, some
people love his style. I don't, but I won't use that to say all Spanish art
sucks.
--
Mitch Peabody -- mNiz...@AdMrexel.edu (remove N O S P A M for email)
bda...@my-deja.com
It's still waaaaaaaaaay better than your run of the mill Jap Porno with
nanodicks and hot sluts.
In article <93ua53$rv5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
leol...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
--
Brian Damage
~!@#$%^&*()_+
Nathanial kai-po
LOL. This post is hilarious.
David Ormsbee
So let me get this straight... You're accusing the Chinese of being
opinionated and narrow-minded because of a particular movie that you've
never seen but are already convinced that you hate?
So exactly what kinds of movies do you like?
And on another note, exactly what races/nations do you actually approve
of?
-- Dave
Daniel Donghoon Paik
David Ormsbee <orm...@hcs.harvard.edu> wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>So let me get this straight... You're accusing the Chinese of being
>opinionated and narrow-minded because of a particular movie that you've
>never seen but are already convinced that you hate?
that's okay...most of the people in here have never actually met leolee
but they've already decided that he's a moron.
Spe...@rosedonuts.com
Mitch Peabody wrote:
>
> leol...@my-deja.com writes:
>
> He reminds me somewhat of JeffK on somethingawful.com
>
> http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/
>
> Almost as if he's trying to sound like a moron.
>
Too late, he's already a moron.
Sperry
--
"Making the best tasting Donuts & Sandwiches in the Galaxy!"
Richard Lee
: there is also a lot of symbolism.
Sword = Li Mu Bai's penis
Comb = Jen's sex
That about covers it.
John Seymour
Mitch Peabody <mi...@n2-192-200.resnet.drexel.edu> wrote:
>
> He reminds me somewhat of JeffK on somethingawful.com
>
> http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/
>
> Almost as if he's trying to sound like a moron.
Nah, Leo doesn't need to try, it comes naturally.
He can't even come up with original trolls. At least he seems to have
shut up about the "Japanese/American conspiracy against Hyundai" since
the near insolvency of Hyundai.
re art, Its of course not just different tastes, but reflective of
culture, both that of the artist and the viewer/listener/reader.
--
John Seymour
John Seymour
uc...@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Donghoon Paik) wrote:
> In article <3A636352...@hcs.harvard.edu>,
> David Ormsbee <orm...@hcs.harvard.edu> wrote:
> >Hi there,
> >
> >So let me get this straight... You're accusing the Chinese of being
> >opinionated and narrow-minded because of a particular movie that
you've
> >never seen but are already convinced that you hate?
>
> that's okay...most of the people in here have never actually met
leolee
> but they've already decided that he's a moron.
>
but we have so much evidence. Certainly more than he does re the
movie. On the other hand leo didn't decide that the Chinese were
opinionated and narrow-minded because of a particular movie, he's
already decided that the Chinese are opinionated and narrow-minded, so
all he was looking for was an excuse not to like this movie.
--
John Seymour
Nickel
"ridiculous"
"Crouching Tiger is a total cliche and should be made for cartoon
or should be made for a fair-tale."
"The movie does not even fit any category of abstract form of art. "
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william john sowa
Of course you didn't see it, how else could you write a LeoLee critique?
Personally, I just want to see Michelle Yeoh.
(I had to get my asiaphile-of-the-day comment in there)
Sammy
I know, I stole the ying yang
planar creature
william john sowa <ws...@login.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message
news:Dw396.41$cw4....@news.itd.umich.edu...
Carlos
"The "Phantom Menace" instead, where the acting is of the best,
specially Jar Jar Bings and Anakin, those memorable
Chinese movies rule! I love Golden Harvest Studios.
lines: "Yepee!", "Mom I'm home!", .
In article <93ua53$rv5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
leol...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
--
"When a guy has no social life,
he has to have a hobby".
Harley Cat
pet...@nospam.csus.edu
>william john sowa <ws...@login.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message
>news:Dw396.41$cw4....@news.itd.umich.edu...
>> In article <93ua53$rv5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <leol...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >I didn't see the Crouching Tiger: Hidden dragon but
>>
>> Of course you didn't see it, how else could you write a LeoLee critique?
>>
>> Personally, I just want to see Michelle Yeoh.
>> (I had to get my asiaphile-of-the-day comment in there)
Too bad Michelle was made up to look older for her part.
JTB
In article <m366jhx...@n2-192-200.resnet.drexel.edu>,
--
KL Mok
American it seems!!!
________________________________________________
There are many ways for foreigners to lose money in China. Few have
proved more effective than trying to sell a "Chinese' movie to a
mainland audience. The latest to discover this is Ang Lee, the
Taiwan-born director of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. His lush kung
fu romance is packing them in across North America, but in China it
has died a commercial death. Shanghai audiences hissed at its fantasy
fight scenes during a two-month run there, and there were tiny
audiences at Beijing's Dizhi cinema. This week, no major cinema in
Beijing was showing it. On paper, Crouching Tiger had it all.
It is adapted from a much-loved Chinese novel and is set in the golden
age of the middle Qing dynasty, before the era of foreign invasions
and opium wars. It stars Chow Yun-Fat, a Hong Kong actor so famous
that when he flew into Beijing at the start of filming, Chinese
customs officers queued for his autograph, blocking arrivals for 45
minutes. The film's main themes - love, sacrifice and extreme
violence - are just what a Chinese audience looks for. Yet its
box-office history is bleak. "We showed the film 93 times between
October and the end of November and only 3,000 viewers came,'" said
the manager of the Dizhi 'That's a disaster." The film had bad luck.
A fight over profits between its mainland distributors and investors
caused it to be pulled from cinemas for three vital months. In the
interim, pirate videos appeared so when the film was finally released,
its target audience had already seen it at home. But all films are
pirated in China, and some still survive. Unfortunate many Chinese,
expecting a simple kung fu adventure, were baffled by a gorgeous,
slow-paced, foreigner-friendly drama. Bill Kong, one of the film's
producers, said: "Ang Lee was keeping faithful to the novel while
being comprehensible to Westerners. He hired a scholar of Qing
etiquette to teach the girls how to walk, how to treat their elders."
The Chinese public was underwhelmed. "When a Chinese audience goes to
see a kung fu film, they expect to see a lot of blood. In this film,
there's no blood" he said. In Shanghai, the flying combat scenes
across treetops and city roofs provoked loud hissing, the Shanghai
Star reported. It simply confused local audiences, who prize
"realistic thinking," the paper said. Lee's lyrical, romantic style
was basically "middle-class American," it claimed.
The Daily Telegraph Jan 16, 2001
pet...@nospam.csus.edu
wrote:
>Looks like the mainlanders didn't think much of it either. Too
>American it seems!!!
>________________________________________________
>
More like too true to the real historical period. Chinese
audience wants fantasy, much like american audience. Yes
they want a lot of blood and gore in kung fu movies.
This movie won a lot of critical reviews in the US. But it
is also not a major theatre draw. This is also because it
is subtitled, which turns off a lot of US audience.
Paul Kekai Manansala
off the planet.
Regards,
Paul Kekai Manansala
--
Check out http://AsiaPacificUniverse.com/
Mitchell A. Peabody
<nod> It's very difficult to agree on details... :-)
william john sowa
>Looks like the mainlanders didn't think much of it either. Too
>American it seems!!!
>Unfortunate many Chinese, expecting a simple kung fu adventure,
>were baffled.....
>When the Chinese see a kung fu film, they expect to see a lot of blood.
>In this film, there's no blood" he said. In Shanghai, the flying combat
>scenes across treetops and city roofs provoked loud hissing, the
>Shanghai Star reported. It simply confused local audiences who
>prize "realistic thinking,".....
Am I reading too much into this, or does anyone else feel that the
Chinese movie audiences are a bunch of morons who can't differentiate
fun entertainment with real life ???
Hao Zhang
on trying to please the "western" audience that it seemed pretentious to
me. I have seen enough Kung Fu movies where people are flying everywhere
so I am not as awed by the "special effects" as the American critics, who
raved the movie. What I looked for was a great plot and some good story
telling. This movie fell flat on its face with that. There was no scene
describing the closeness of the relationship between Jade Fox and Jen,
there were no scene featuring Jen's dealings with her parents to get out
of the marriage. There were no scenes focusing on Jen and her conflicts.
Jen never felt any pain. The ending therefor was puzzling for me because
Jen was made out to be 1 dimensional character who did what she wanted and
never felt any remorse. It was unlikely that anyone who has such little
feelings would do what Jen did at the end. Now that I think about it, we
never even knew Jen that well other than the fact that she is spoiled and
enjoys sex. There was never any explantions for the actions of the lead
character. No wonder why as hard as I tried I could not find anything
profound in this damn movie.
Also, since when did Jen get back the green destiny from Li after she
"dropped" it off and Li took the sword back from Sir Te? I could swear
that there was some missing plot there.
ps. The Hong Kong actors' Mandarin were HORRIBLE! My friend (from
Taiwan) and I could bearly understand what they were talking about half of
the time and had to rely on the English translations. How sad!
Daniel Donghoon Paik
>Also, since when did Jen get back the green destiny from Li after she
>"dropped" it off and Li took the sword back from Sir Te? I could swear
>that there was some missing plot there.
she stole it from him again. and then she went off to travel and beat up
people.
>ps. The Hong Kong actors' Mandarin were HORRIBLE! My friend (from
>Taiwan) and I could bearly understand what they were talking about half of
>the time and had to rely on the English translations. How sad!
uh...maybe it's because they don't speak mandarin. chow yun fat speaks
cantonese. and michelle yeoh is malaysian so she doesn't speak mandarin
either.
it's like if i were an actor and i had to memorize my lines phonetically.
you didn't feel the tension between jen and li and michelle yeoh's
character? there was a nice love triangle there.
the only parts i didn't like where:
1) the flying around. it got pretty stupid.
2) the 30 minute clip of jen and that desert pirate guy.
KL Mok
This show I gotta to see first.
The average all mindless cliches' blood and gore kung fu flick the
auidience seem to appreciate enough as the writer of that article
concedes. So what's with this movie in particular.
Off the top of my head the movie critic write-ups and ng comments so
far seem to attribute director Ang Lee with a serious attempt to show
the "real period China" and love and sex relationships so lacking in
the average Chinese kung fu flick.
It is this intimate relationship that is so discordant and therefore
insults the intelligence of its Chinese to whom, as one wit puts it
"have sex only as often as is necessary to produce one's siblings."
The discussion will take more time than I have at this moment.
pet...@nospam.csus.edu
(william john sowa) wrote:
Most movie audiences are a bunch of morons. Most "popular"
movies caters to the lowest denominator. That's why Arnold
and Stallone are so popular all over the world.
>
>
Laplace
leol...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Imagine people are flying and jumping above the roof and airborn and
> all kind of birdy trick as human being to show as a form of art???
> Imagine darkage knights jump above the castle and show their
> bloodbath??
> Imagine the samurai swordmen jump above a roof and show their skill??
>
> Sound ridiculous??? Not according to the Chinese movie.
>
> I didn't see the Crouching Tiger: Hidden dragon but I knew how the
> script of the movie would turned out. My cousine told me after his
> whole family watched the film saying "Is this movie about superman or
> what?" He thought the movie is so dumb.
>
> Human being is jumped above the roof? Gimme a break!
> YOu can NOT jumped above the roof unless you are totally opinionated
> chinese.
>
> I can't believe the artistic mentality of the chinese silly people.
> Crouching Tiger is a total cliche and should be made for cartoon
> or should be made for a fair-tale.
> The movie does not even fit any category of abstract form of art. It's
> total mindless garbage which shows the narrow-mindness and lack of
> geniue creativity of the Chinese culture and civilizaton.
> NO wonder why Chineses are just shity terrible nitemare people!
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
Good post!
I hope this should wake some Chinese up.
Laplace
David Ormsbee wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> So let me get this straight... You're accusing the Chinese of being
> opinionated and narrow-minded because of a particular movie that you've
> never seen but are already convinced that you hate?
>
I agree with him completly although I haven't seen that movie either.Any
director relys on martial arts or action is a sign of lake of creativity
especially when the director used so much special effect to create
unrealistic moves.
kl...@home.com
Hey I'll have you know that Chinese movies are far more interesting
than one suspects.
LOST IN THE TRANSLATION
Translating foreign-language am into English keeps linguists around
the world gainfully employed.
But, surely, all that dubbing and scripting of subtitles is no easy
task for the translators. Sometimes a local expression cannot be
easily translated. Or the English equivalent is just too literal.
To illustrate the point, Telescope offers these examples, gleaned from
the Internet, of actual English subtitles used in Hong Kong movies
originally filmed with Chinese dialogue.
"The bullets inside are very hot. Why do I feel so cold?" ,
"I got knife scars more than the number of your legs 'hair!"
"I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way."
"Fatty, you with your thick face have hurt my instep."
"I'll fire aimlessly if you don't come out!"
"Gun wounds again?"
"Same old rules: no eyes, no groin."
"A normal person wouldn't steal pituitaries."
"You always use violence. I should've ordered glutinous rice
chicken."
"Damn, I'll burn you into a barbecue chicken!"
"Take my advice, or I'll spank you without pants."
"Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected."
"Who gave you the nerve to get killed here?"
"Quiet, or I'll blow your throat up."
"You daring, lousy guy!"
"Beat him out of recognizable shape!"
"I have been scared silly too much lately."
"How can you use my intestines as a gift?"
Compiled by Terry McConnell
Thomas Chan
>Hey I'll have you know that Chinese movies are far more interesting
>than one suspects.
>
>>LOST IN THE TRANSLATION
>>
>>Translating foreign-language am into English keeps linguists around
>>the world gainfully employed.
Translators are not necessarily linguists, and vice versa. In many
cases, the translator has no qualifications other than speaking a
second language with who knows what level of proficiency (or lack
of it).
>>But, surely, all that dubbing and scripting of subtitles is no easy
>>task for the translators. Sometimes a local expression cannot be
>>easily translated. Or the English equivalent is just too literal.
Or the translator is working from audio only and can't see body
gestures, signs, or even the gender of people mentioned in the dialogue.
Or the translator is not a native speaker of the language being
translated into, so the wording is unnatural and ungrammatical.
Or the translator rewrote the script.
Or the translator just sucks.
>>To illustrate the point, Telescope offers these examples, gleaned from
>>the Internet, of actual English subtitles used in Hong Kong movies
>>originally filmed with Chinese dialogue.
[snip]
>>Compiled by Terry McConnell
Telescope/McConnell is not illustrating anything.
McConnell's argument is flawed. I've seen this list too many times
on the internet, just like all those urban legends. McConnell should
be compiling from the movie subtitles directly--and at the very least,
tell us which movie each one is from! Knowing the context and the
original Chinese dialogue would be useful for comparsion, too--even
if one only provides a word-for-word literal gloss for it.
I suspect that most of those translations are simply bad translations,
and not the result of anything inherently difficult to translate.
Thomas Chan
tc...@cornell.edu
kl...@home.com
>Translators are not necessarily linguists, and vice versa. In many
>cases, the translator has no qualifications other than speaking a
>second language with who knows what level of proficiency (or lack
>of it).
>
>
Aw Thomas. Lighten up. I am Cantonese and some of the expressions are
literal translations from mangled HK Cantonese - Mandarin. If they
end up as howlers more strength to them. No one mistakes them for
serious literature and the resulting literal transpositions are
precious.
I really had a good laugh when, on entering a friend's house a big
handwritten notice behind the door warned him, "Charlie, you die. You
didn't call Rosie back." Think a bit. That "you die" expletive is
so common that we never notice it back home. Seeing that after years
of absence was such a delightful reminder of the old country.
Macdaddy
> leol...@my-deja.com wrote:
>snip
You obviously know squat about film as well.
I saw the movie and thought it was great.
You can't believe the flying?
How is it that you can believe Clint Eastwood can shot 7 guys with a six
shooter?
Or that John Wayne and 2 buddies can defeat a platoon of the Japanese Army?
You are brain washed into believing that super heroes can only be white men.
The film is all about mythology.
The characters are based on folklore tales of super humans.
If you look at it as a version of Star Wars then maybe you can fathom the
humanity of it.
he...@my-deja.com
> uh...maybe it's because they don't speak mandarin. chow yun fat
speaks
> cantonese. and michelle yeoh is malaysian so she doesn't speak
mandarin
> either.
Ya, but didn't chow yun fat supposedly spend a lot of time working
on his Mandarin? I thought he did an "acceptable" job. It was
still poor, but at least didn't distract from the film. It was
about as good as his english in Replacement Killers. On the
other hand, Michelle Yeoh was HORRIBLE. Total distraction...
every scene with her in it pretty much fell flat cause I wanted
to slap Ang Lee for picking her.
Btw, anyone know what ethniticity the Uyghur in the movie was?
I heard he was actually a Hong Kong actor... anyone know for
sure?
PS. Go Bears.
pet...@nospam.csus.edu
>
>> uh...maybe it's because they don't speak mandarin. chow yun fat
>speaks
>> cantonese. and michelle yeoh is malaysian so she doesn't speak
>mandarin
>> either.
>
>Ya, but didn't chow yun fat supposedly spend a lot of time working
>on his Mandarin? I thought he did an "acceptable" job. It was
>still poor, but at least didn't distract from the film. It was
>about as good as his english in Replacement Killers.
That's not saying a whole lot. He mostly mumbled in
gc
>
> Btw, anyone know what ethniticity the Uyghur in the movie was?
> I heard he was actually a Hong Kong actor... anyone know for
> sure?
>
Chang Chen? He's an actor from Taiwan, I believe.
leerh
Wow, I actually agree with Sowa on another subject.
Just think of the movie as a comic book kung fu fantasy come to
life. Then, everything makes sense.
Right now, I feel like if _Gladiator_ were shown in China, these same
overly critical moviegoers would pick it apart, analyzing the trajectory
of Russell Crowe's tomahawk throws and his sword swings to determine that
there was no way in hell possible for Crowe to generate the torque needed
to decapitate anyone or pierce anyone's skull. They would look into
details like Russell Crowe's long horseback ride and wonder how in the
world he got back home so fast (fast enough to see the burning embers of
his house) without running into the Roman soldiers. They would also look
at the weather and alignment of the stars to figure out it was winter
instead of summer and that it should be raining more in the movie.
Suspension of disbelief. This KL Mok guy needs to look into it.
Richard Lee
: Ya, but didn't chow yun fat supposedly spend a lot of time working
: on his Mandarin? I thought he did an "acceptable" job. It was
: still poor, but at least didn't distract from the film. It was
: about as good as his english in Replacement Killers. On the
: other hand, Michelle Yeoh was HORRIBLE. Total distraction...
: every scene with her in it pretty much fell flat cause I wanted
: to slap Ang Lee for picking her.
I couldn't tell.
Then again, like most of the moviegoing public in America, I have
absolutely zero knowledge of Chinese.
Hi, heech.
kl...@home.com
>
>>> Personally, I just want to see Michelle Yeoh.
>>> (I had to get my asiaphile-of-the-day comment in there)
>
>Too bad Michelle was made up to look older for her part.
>
>
Michelle Yeoh, Malaysian. Born 1962.
At age 39 she looks remarkably well preserved and remains very
atheletic.
suresh mani
lighten up and get that pickle out of them butts. :-)
Imagine being in love for several years and walking around talking like
monks! How boring.
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Paik) wrote:
>In article <3A6630C0...@fmr.com>, Hao Zhang <hao....@fmr.com> wrote:
>>Also, since when did Jen get back the green destiny from Li after she
>>"dropped" it off and Li took the sword back from Sir Te? I could swear
>>that there was some missing plot there.
>
>she stole it from him again. and then she went off to travel and beat up
>people.
>
>>ps. The Hong Kong actors' Mandarin were HORRIBLE! My friend (from
>>Taiwan) and I could bearly understand what they were talking about half of
>>the time and had to rely on the English translations. How sad!
>
>uh...maybe it's because they don't speak mandarin. chow yun fat speaks
>cantonese. and michelle yeoh is malaysian so she doesn't speak mandarin
>either.
>
>it's like if i were an actor and i had to memorize my lines phonetically.
>
>you didn't feel the tension between jen and li and michelle yeoh's
>character? there was a nice love triangle there.
>
>the only parts i didn't like where:
>
>1) the flying around. it got pretty stupid.
It was cool.
>2) the 30 minute clip of jen and that desert pirate guy.
It made sense in the greater plot.
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Steve Pang wrote:
>
> In article <ADLd6.84040$ft6.2...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net> , "suresh mani"
> <sures...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> >> : >Looks like the mainlanders didn't think much of it either. Too
>
> The film has been subjected to an official smear campaign in order to
> discredit Ang Lee, who is Taiwanese. They will not praise this film in any
> way, as to do so will be seen as praise for Taiwan.
Not only that, they purposely delayed the movie's release long enough
for all the pirated copies to flood the streets. By the time the movie
was released, most who wanted to see it already did.
Sperry
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