Time For An Israeli Strike?
Aardvark
[comment on John Bolton at Washingtonpost]
Look--While the Obama Administration is eager to
pursue "talking" with an Iran that is only interested
in pursuing nuclear capabilities (as if the United
States had nothing whatever to loose even if Iran went
fully nuclear), the Israelis understand perfectly they
are "under the gun." The clock is ticking on their
annihilation (their Second Holocaust as it were), and
I don't see how ANY Jewish leadership in Israel could
risk that Iran gets nuclear weapons without Iran using
them to fulfill "Allah's command" that Israel be wiped
off the map. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the Iranian
overlords are genuinely pious and religiously insane.
Now: There are a lot of Americans who are liable to be
targeted by Iran after this strike; and I'm wondering
whether Obama has made plans to safeguard them
(or at least to minimize casualties among them). As
opposed to, say, planning a lot of really pointless
righteous indignation afterwards... and lots and lots
of funeral attendances. For it seems to me that instead
of relying on the American Military's ability to protect
its soldiers and civilians, wherever they happen to be,
the Obama Administration is relying more "on the
kindness of strangers" (as it were: Iranian good will
and sound logic and reason). I don't know...
We'll see whether the Iranians really understand that
(after an Israeli strike on their nuclear facility...
possibly even including deep-burrowing nuclear
strikes), that Americans are innocent bystanders
and the Iranians confine their ire to Israel alone ...
S D Rodrian
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fla...@verizon.net
On 2-Jul-2009, Aardvark <a...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
> Time For An Israeli Strike?
> [comment on John Bolton at Washingtonpost]
>
Bolton's not the only one hoping Israel will do the world's
dirty work again. Some people I know have come up w/the
theory that all Obama's harsh talk to Israel is a smoke
screen for plausible deniability on Obama's part for when
Israel does precisely that. The sick thing is that the world
is so insane that that actually makes sense...
Susan
dsharavi
In for a lamb, in for a ewe.
Operation Opera (also known as Operation Babylon and Operation Ofra)
was a successful surprise Israeli air strike against the Iraqi Osirak
nuclear reactor (French: Osirak; Iraqi: Tammuz 1) in 1981.
In the late 1970s, Iraq purchased an "Osiris class" nuclear reactor
from France. Israeli military intelligence assumed this was for the
purpose of plutonium production to further an Iraqi nuclear weapons
program. Israeli intelligence also believed that the summer of 1981
would be the last chance to destroy the reactor before it would be
loaded with nuclear fuel.
On 7 June 1981, a squadron of Israeli Air Force F-16A fighter
aircraft, with an escort of F-15As, bombed and heavily damaged the
Osirak reactor.
Iraq's nuclear program
Iraq had established a nuclear program sometime in the 1960s, and in
the mid-1970s looked to expand it through the acquisition of a nuclear
reactor. After failing to convince the French government to sell them
a gas-graphite plutonium-producing reactor and reprocessing plant, and
likewise failing to convince the Italian government to sell them a
Cirene reactor, the Iraqi government convinced the French government
to sell them an Osiris-class research reactor and accompanying
laboratories.
Construction for the 40-megawatt light-water nuclear reactor began in
1979 at the Al Tuwaitha Nuclear Center near Baghdad. The reactor was
dubbed Osirak (Osiraq) by the French, blending the name of Iraq with
that of the reactor class. Iraq named the reactor Tammuz 1 after the
month in the Arabic calendar that the Baath Party came to power in
1968.
It was claimed that the sole purpose of Iraq's reactors was scientific
research. Agreements between France and Iraq excluded military use.
Observers argued that Iraq did not have the capacity to develop
nuclear weapons. The IAEA Director-General confirmed that inspections
of the nuclear research reactors near Baghdad revealed no non-
compliance with the safeguards agreement. Many others believed
otherwise; the US private intelligence service Stratfor noted the
widespread assessment that the reactor was on the verge of being able
to produce weapons-grade plutonium.
Operational planning
The distance between Israeli military bases and the reactor site was
significant—over 1600 km (1000 miles), which meant the military forces
would be operating without easy resupply capability, and would have to
arc across Jordanian and Saudi territory. Additionally, Israeli
intelligence could not guarantee accurate intelligence on the state of
Iraqi defences.
After much deliberation, the Israeli military finally concluded that a
squadron of heavily fueled, and heavily armed F-16As, with a group of
F-15As to provide air cover and fighter support, could perform a
surgical strike to eliminate the reactor site, without having to
refuel.
Israeli military also decided that it was essential to destroy the
reactor before it was loaded with nuclear fuel, in order to minimize
the effects of the reactor's destruction on the civilian population.
Many European scientists were working on the reactor, and Israel
decided to strike on Sunday, when most scientists would not be at
work.
Having intelligence that the reactor's fuel rods were scheduled to be
shipped to Iraq from France, the Israeli cabinet—then under the
leadership of Menachem Begin—authorized the operation.
The attack
Operation Opera was carefully planned for a Sunday to minimise the
loss of lives of any foreign workers and the attack was timed for the
late afternoon to provide the Israeli Combat Search and Rescue Team
(CSAR) all night to search for any downed Israeli pilots.
An Israeli Air Force flight of 8 F-16As—aircraft 107, 113, 118, 129,
from 117 Squadron and 239, 240, 243 and 249 from 110 Squadron, each
with two unguided Mark-84 2000-pound delay-action bombs, and external
fuel tanks—was set up. A squadron of 6 F-15As was also assigned to the
operation to provide fighter support for the F-16As.
On 7 June 1981 at 15:55 local time (12:55 GMT) the plan was set in
motion. The task force left Etzion Airbase, flying unchallenged at 800
feet in Jordanian and Saudi airspace. On the initial flight southward,
the planes coincidentally flew directly over King Hussein's private
yacht at 100 feet altitude. Hussein recognized the Israeli markings
and reportedly realized instantly what their mission was, and
attempted unsuccessfully to alert the Iraqis.
At 1,000 km into their flight, the operation was complicated by the
F-16As' external fuel tanks. The planes were so heavily loaded that
the external tanks were exhausted while the task force was still en
route to the Osirak facility. These tanks were jettisoned over the
Saudi desert after the attack.
Upon reaching Iraqi airspace the squadron split up, with two of the
F-15s forming close escort to the F-16 squadron, and the remaining
F-15s dispersing into Iraqi airspace as a diversion and ready back-up.
The attack squadron descended to 30 m over the Iraqi desert,
attempting to fly under the radar of the Iraqi defences.
At 18:35 local time (14:35 GMT), 20 km from the Osirak reactor
complex, the F-16 formation climbed to 2,100 m and went into a 35-
degree dive at 1,100 km/h, aimed at the reactor complex. At 1,100 m,
the F-16s began releasing the Mark 84 bombs in pairs, at 5-second
intervals. According to the Israeli reports, all sixteen weapons
struck the reactor complex, although two reportedly did not detonate.
As the anti-aircraft defenses opened fire the squadron climbed to an
altitude of 12,200 m and started their return to Israel. According to
Israeli reports the Iraqi defenses were caught off guard and were slow
to react. Whatever the reason the anti-aircraft defenses of the
facility did not damage any of the attacking aircraft. Despite the
fears of encountering Iraqi interceptors, the squadron remained
unchallenged and returned to Israeli airspace.
International political reaction
Israel's action was condemned by the international community. The UN
General Assembly passed a resolution characterizing the bombing as a
premeditated and unprecedented act of aggression, and demanding that
Israel pay prompt and adequate compensation for the damage and loss of
life it had caused.The resolution also sharply warned Israel to
refrain from taking such measures in the future.
Debate prior to passage of the UN resolution reflected member states'
differing positions on issues such as nuclear proliferation in the
region and the appropriateness and justifiability of Israel's actions.
Some countries such as Syria requested condemnation not only of Israel
for terrorism against Arab peoples, but also of the United States for
its alliance with Israel.
Most observers rejected Israel's justification that it acted in self-
defense. It was explained that the UN Charter does not give any right
to preventive action. Some interpreted the attack as an attack on the
IAEA itself. It was argued the UN Charter limits the right of self-
defence only to a case of armed attack. Some countries called for
mandatory sanctions against Israel under Chapter VII of the UN
Charter.
In addition the United Nations Security Council strongly condemned the
attack as a clear violation of the Charter and held that Iraq was
entitled to appropriate redress for the destruction caused. The
resolution further called upon Israel to place its own nuclear
facilities under IAEA safeguards. The United States supported this
resolution as it condemned the action, not the nation. Their response
was to, temporarily, withhold a consignment of aircraft already
promised to Israel.[citation needed] Some countries were not satisfied
with the Security Council's resolution because it did not include
sanctions. It was recommended that the Council should have taken
punitive measures against Israel.[
Since that time, especially after the first Gulf War, several US
politicians have retroactively supported the operation. Those who
believe that Iraq was pursuing nuclear weapons in the 1980s view
Operation Opera as necessary action, even if it were considered a
clear violation of international law by the U.N. Security Council.
Some legal scholars believe that the action did not violate
international law since it followed the rule of anticipatory self-
defense.
Cooperation of Iran in Operation Opera
Based on a variety of evidence, despite the conflict between Iran's
Islamic regime and Israel after the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran,
and in line with the deep historical conflict between Persians and
Arabs and the Iran-Iraq war, it is known that Israel and Iran
cooperated to some extent in the Opera operation. It was reported that
Israel had used some maps and information which had been prepared by
Iran.
Confirmed by Ari Ben-Menashe, one month before the attack some Israeli
positions met Ayatollah Khomeini's representative secretly in Paris
and discussed the attack. They reportedly agreed that in case of any
unexpected technical incident during the operation, Israeli aircraft
could make an emergency landing in a military base in Tabriz, despite
the official position of the Islamic Republic of Iran that Israel was
an illegitimate state.
The Results
The operation was a success. The reactor complex was heavily damaged,
according to plan.
Iraq said it would rebuild the facility, and France agreed, in
principle, to aid in the reconstruction. However, in 1984, France
withdrew from the project.
According to professor Louis Rene Beres, the Israeli attack on the
reactor prevented Iraq from using radioactive weaponry during the
first Gulf war.
The Osirak facility remained in its damaged state until the end of the
Gulf War, when a prolonged series of US air strikes destroyed the site
completely.
Al Smith
> On 2-Jul-2009, Aardvark <a...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
>
>> Time For An Israeli Strike?
Definitely. It's long past the time when Israel should have been
hit, and hit hard. An air strike to take out Israel's roads,
electrical generating stations, factories and military bases would
be appropriate. After all, that's what Israel does when it strikes
Lebanon, isn't it?
-Al-
TDNY
A woman from Gaza stands at
an Israeli check-point.
We can only see her back but it
is clear that in shame she opens
her top to a female Israeli soldier
to show that her breasts have been
removed in an attempt to beat cancer.
Despite this,
she is refused entry to
Israel on security grounds.
Lord Salman Rushdie
to kill children on buses, she may have been spared the indignity.
Reap what you sow.
Now grow up you cunt.
"TDNY" <TD...@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
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TDNY
"Lord Salman Rushdie" <wind...@muzzies.com> wrote in message
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> perhaps if the animals didn't send women with bombs strapped to their
> torsos to kill children on buses, she may have been spared the indignity.
> Reap what you sow.
>
> Now grow up you cunt.
The Palestinians have paid the price for the Nazi Holocaust.
TDNY
> "Lord Salman Rushdie" <wind...@muzzies.com> wrote in message
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>> perhaps if the animals didn't send women with bombs strapped to their
>> torsos to kill children on buses, she may have been spared the indignity.
>> Reap what you sow.
>>
>> Now grow up you cunt.
Yossi Sarid / If you (or I) were Palestinian
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052057.html
This week I spoke with my
students about the Gaza war,
in the context of a class on
national security.
One student,
who had expressed rather conservative,
accepted opinions - that is opinions
tending slightly to the right -
succeeded in surprising me.
Without any provocation on my part,
he opened his heart and confessed:
"If I were a young Palestinian,"
he said,
"I'd fight the Jews fiercely,
even by means of terror.
Anyone who says anything
different is telling you lies."
His remarks sounded familiar -
I had already heard them before.
Suddenly I remembered:
About 10 years ago they were
uttered by our defense minister,
Ehud Barak.
Haaretz journalist Gideon Levy had asked him then,
as a candidate for prime minister,
what he would do had he been born
Palestinian and Barak replied frankly:
"I would join a terror organization."
fla...@verizon.net
On 3-Jul-2009, "Lord Salman Rushdie" <wind...@muzzies.com> wrote:
> perhaps if the animals didn't send women with bombs strapped to their
> torsos
> to kill children on buses, she may have been spared the indignity.
> Reap what you sow.
>
> Now grow up you cunt.
What I love is that the HORRIBLE INDIGNITIES suffered by
these *poor victims* are FAR LESS than the wait time at
airports by normal, everyday people.
IOW, a few mintues at a checkpoint - caused by the actions
of their own ELECTED TERRORISTS, & the world is supposed
to cry for them.
Susan
>
>
> "TDNY" <TD...@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
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drahcir
Poor Al "science is an ass" Smith just can't seem to get that syntax
thing down pat.
Al Smith
I would say that rounding up random groups of Israelis and putting
them into camps would also be in order, since this is what Israel
has done to the Palestinians. Then, to top it off, let's sow cluster
bombs all around Tel Aviv so that Israeli children can find them,
thinking they are toys ... which is exactly what Israel did in
southern Lebanon.
-Al-
Lord Salman Rushdie
>
>
>> "Lord Salman Rushdie" <wind...@muzzies.com> wrote in message
>> news:4a4e6e11$0$13505$ae26...@fe1.newsfeeds.com...
>>> perhaps if the animals didn't send women with bombs strapped to their
>>> torsos to kill children on buses, she may have been spared the
>>> indignity.
>>> Reap what you sow.
>>>
>>> Now grow up you cunt.
>
> Yossi Sarid / If you (or I) were Palestinian
I'm sorry, was that a direct response to my post? or more avoidance.
Simple really. If the Pals send people with bombs strapped to them to
detonate in population centres, then they really can't take the moral high
ground when the jews respond.
TDNY
TDNY
Gary Renzetti
possibly a family member or two, their land and their means of making a
living and leave them with nothing to live for, best you be careful. If
they're still alive and having nothing to live for any longer, they
probably still have something to *die* for. Why does it surprise anyone
that these despairing people want to take as many of their rightfully
hated oppressors as possible with them? These people are more "sacrifice
bombers" rather than "suicide bombers".
Gary Renzetti
> On 3-Jul-2009, "Lord Salman Rushdie" <wind...@muzzies.com> wrote:
>
>> perhaps if the animals didn't send women with bombs strapped to their
>> torsos
>> to kill children on buses, she may have been spared the indignity.
>> Reap what you sow.
>>
>> Now grow up you cunt.
>
> What I love is that the HORRIBLE INDIGNITIES suffered by
> these *poor victims* are FAR LESS than the wait time at
> airports by normal, everyday people.
>
> IOW, a few mintues at a checkpoint - caused by the actions
> of their own ELECTED TERRORISTS, & the world is supposed
> to cry for them.
Barak, and the comatose fat prick had never committed "terrorist"� acts,
including murder of women and kids?
Sowsie, you are one sick puppy!
>
> Sowsan
Al Smith
Very well put. The old Israeli line that the Palestinians are
unprovoked terrorists just won't fly any longer. The Palestinians
have been so abused by Israel, they have every right to fight back
in any way they can manage, given their scant resources. They are
morally justified in blowing up Israelis each and every chance they
get. Nothing the Palestinians can do to hurt Israel is enough to
compensate them for the criminal abuses Israel has heaped upon them
for decades -- abuses that include the mass murder of women and
children. By any count, the Israelis have done 100 times worse to
the Palestinians than they have ever done to the Israelis.
-Al-
drahcir
blahblahblahblahblahblah the dumbfuck doesn't even understand what
syntax is!
Al Smith
And it would also be useful to bulldoze a few hundred Israeli
houses, and maybe poison a few Israeli wells, and chop down some
Israeli orange groves, because all these things -- destroying
houses, poisoning wells, cutting down groves -- the Israelis have
already done numerous times to the Palestinians. After all, if the
Israelis do it, it can't really be so bad, can it? I'm sure the
Israelis won't mind having their own houses bulldozed into the ground.
-Al-
drahcir
Al, you think that no one sees through the reason you can't think of
anything to post except your repetitive tripe. In your stupidity, you
think you can pretend you're "above it all" and hope in vain that
anyone will buy it.
Al Smith
As I said above, an attack on Israel is long overdue. After all,
fair is fair. Israel sees no problem in launching a sneak attack
against its neighbors any old time it feels like it. Why should any
other country in the world feel the slightest hesitation in
launching a sneak attack against Israel? But they should follow the
Israeli model and strike with overwhelming force at civilian
targets, because that's the Israeli way, and Israelis couldn't
possibly have any objection to others doing to them what they have
so often done to others, right?
-Al-
drahcir
Al, why not tell the folks here how "science is an ass"? Maybe someone
missed it.
Al Smith
But I'm sure the good citizens of Israel would understand if they
were suddenly attacked from the air in the middle of the night,
while they lay in their beds -- and not by a wimpy little pipe
rocket, but by a massive airstrike involving strategic bombers. I'm
sure they'd understand if their mothers and grandfathers and infant
children were blown to bits before they even woke from sleep,
because they've done the exact same thing to other peoples many
times -- they've done it to the Palestinians, and to the Lebanese,
repeatedly. What possible objection could Israelis raise if others
did the same things to them that they themselves have done?
-Al-
drahcir
Poor "science is an ass" Al can do nothing in reply except blather
on... The cool part is that my replies take me 15 seconds and he has
to ponder on his crap for an hour. Let's see how long the moron can
keep it up.
Lord Salman Rushdie
"Gary Renzetti" <liz...@connection.com> wrote in message
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ahh....so murder is acceptable to you.
The old '2 wrongs' argument.
Pathetic.
Lord Salman Rushdie
>
> "Lord Salman Rushdie" <wind...@muzzies.com> wrote in message
> news:4a4e6e11$0$13505$ae26...@fe1.newsfeeds.com...
>> perhaps if the animals didn't send women with bombs strapped to their
>> torsos to kill children on buses, she may have been spared the indignity.
>> Reap what you sow.
>>
>> Now grow up you cunt.
>
> The Palestinians have paid the price for the Nazi Holocaust.
Oh please.
That old chestnut.
They have paid the price of successive Arab governments using them as
weapons of PR against Israel when they couldn't beat tiny Israel militarily.
They have been slung out of Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan because they are
considered low-life scum by their own 'brothers'
I often wonder why the same chest-beating piousness isn't repeated for
causes such as Darfur, where REAL atrocities happen daily.
left-wing liberal zombies - just love 'a cause'.
Docky Wocky
"I would say that rounding up random groups of Israelis and putting
them into camps would also be in order, since this is what Israel
has done to the Palestinians. Then, to top it off, let's sow cluster
bombs all around Tel Aviv so that Israeli children can find them,
thinking they are toys ... which is exactly what Israel did in
southern Lebanon..."
_________________________
I don't understand why you would want to round up random groups of Izzies,
slap them in camps, and sow cluster bomblets all around so the Izzie
children could find them.
But, then, I forgot you were a closet-Nazi.
Now, Izzie kids, being much more intelligent than the Palestinian kids, and
having been told about the dangers of bomblets years as infants, would
simply carefully take the unexploded bomblets home, where their parents
would then refurbish them and use them to blow holes in the camp
wire/fencing/guards so they could all leave and get back to doing what they
do best - rubbing the Palestinian's noses in their own shit.
I heard most of the children in Southern Lebanon who got blowed up by those
cluster bomblets were 15 - 25 years old.
Gary Renzetti
they have a monopoly?
Lord Salman Rushdie
Then don't bleat like a bitch.
Tit for Tat is fine as long as the Pals don't whine about how oppressed they
are. But they do, and sad apologists like you are puerile and unable to see
beyond what you WANT to see.
Al Smith
My dear fellow, what on earth makes you believe that I'm talking to
you? You're a Zionist shill. My posts aren't for Zionist shills,
they are for people who think.
-Al-
DoD
translated from bigot speak to the real world, a normal person.
>My posts aren't for Zionist shills,
> they are for people who think.
It is impossible for you to come up with such a post. You speak only
to
fellow bigots.
Al Smith
I speak to those who can look at Israel honestly, and see that it is
a country that has no moral justification for the crimes it has
committed and is still committing against other peoples -- to say
nothing of the individuals Mossad has assassinated around the world.
Zionist shills are not honest and they don't think, they merely
regurgitate the propaganda they have been fed.
-Al-
drahcir
Gary Renzetti
Nice try Salmon, but no stogie. Unlike the zionist terrorist mob, the
Palestinians didn't invade anyone and steal their homes and livelihoods.
mirjam
> My dear fellow, what on earth makes you believe that I'm talking to
> you? You're a Zionist shill. My posts aren't for Zionist shills,
> they are for people who think.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
If all you know is incite against Jews, Isrealies and zionists
Than Why do you insist in posting here .... go find another
place ,,,,
mirjam
Gary Renzetti
Mirjam, it is yourself who is mistaken. Sci is the logical forum in
which to discuss both zionism and the zionist entity. So to a lesser
extent is scj, but certainly *not* scjm. I have told you this before,
but you are stubborn and refuse to listen to reasonable advice. If you
dislike what a poster has to say you have several options.
1. Don't read this person's posts and ignore the poster.
2. if the posts offend or upset you, use the killfile. Any
seven-year-old schoolchild can assist you with this if if is beyond your
capacities.
3. Leave the offensive newsgroup altogether. There a few thousand
groups, both moderated and free-wheeling. Surely you can find something
to your liking with such a vast selection.
4. Stop kvetching. This is the real world and we all listen to entirely
too much whingeing in our everyday lives to be bothered it during our
recreational time.
Who exactly do you think you are to have the arrogance to tell people
not to post in a public forum? Did someone appoint you god while the
rest of us were away from our keyboards?
Jewdas
Piss off Mirjam.
DoD
IOWs, you are a bigoted asshole that makes shit up.... Gotcha.
Don Ocean
What would a really dumb fuck like you know about anything?
Lord Salman Rushdie
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do you swallow or spit, Al?
or is it really Ahmed?
>
> -Al-
Lord Salman Rushdie
LOL at the wop. Haven't you got someone to surrender to?
Lord Salman Rushdie
"Jewdas" <Jew...@circumcision.com> wrote in message
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fantastic. another intellectual giant to contend with!
Al Smith
I don't know where "here" is for you. For me, hear is "talk.
politics.mideast". I don't cross post when I initiate threads. On
the other hand, if an existing thread is cross-posted, I reply to
the same groups to which the original post was made. That's what has
happened in this instance.
In any case, criticism of Israel's behavior toward the Palestinians
seems like a natural topic for various Jewish groups and Arab
groups, since they are the people most involved with the issue.
Criticism is not inciting, it is criticism. Sometimes I employ
satire in my critical remarks.
It will do Israelis good if they consider what they would feel,
should the Palestinians or an Arab country ever do to them exactly
what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians and Lebanese. I
don't believe they'd like it very much, do you? Israelis are a
little too accustomed to thinking of themselves as always in the
right, and of the Palestinians as sub-humans to be managed like cattle.
-Al-
Al Smith
>> I speak to those who can look at Israel honestly, and see that it is
>> a country that has no moral justification for the crimes it has
>> committed and is still committing against other peoples -- to say
>> nothing of the individuals Mossad has assassinated around the world.
>> Zionist shills are not honest and they don't think, they merely
>> regurgitate the propaganda they have been fed.
>
> IOWs, you are a bigoted asshole that makes shit up.... Gotcha.
Q.E.D.
-Al-
last_per...@yahoo.com
> Time For An Israeli Strike?
Sure. Go to it. After all, Jews killing every enemy--real and
imagined-
is what God wants. I think "leave nothing that breathes" is the way
the Big Guy put it.
last_per...@yahoo.com
You haven't gotten any smarter in your absence, Doodoo.
Been hiding from paisley pants Hunter?
Lord Salman Rushdie
sticking stupid immature labels on entire people is racist wop, shame on
you.But then racism against 'trendy causes' is permitted.
In 1948 the armies of 7 Arab nations invaded the new state and tried to wipe
it out before it was born.
With odds of 60:1 against them, the jews won.
60 years later you bleat like a bitch because your side lost. Tough shit and
fuck 'em.
DoD
LOL....You know I am right.
TDNY
It was never Israel's land to begin with, it always belonged to the
Palestinian people.
Gary Renzetti
The zionist entity was founded by terrorists (the Irgun Zvi Leumi and
the Stern Gang to name just two), and made several terrorists the prime
minister of their terrorist thuggocracy (Begin, Shamir and the comatose
fat slug to list just three). This is hardly "stupid" or "childish"; it
is historical fact. That's not racism�, it's just telling the simple
unvarnished truth, and BTW I don't require anyone's "permission" to tell
it, but thanks for offering it.
> In 1948 the armies of 7 Arab nations invaded the new state and tried to
> wipe it out before it was born.
Rightly so. It was an invasion of European Jewish WWII survivors
usurping turf that they had no right to, to the detriment of the local
Arabs who had lived there peacefully(with Jewish neighbors!) for centuries.
> With odds of 60:1 against them, the jews won.
Invasion and land theft successful! Whoopee! Are we supposed to join
hands and sing "Kumbayah" because the invasion and theft succeeded?
Hooray for the Irgun and fucking Stern Gang; terrorism and massacres of
civilians really will get you what you want, guys!
> 60 years later you bleat like a bitch because your side lost. Tough shit
> and fuck 'em.
Well, fucking them is perhaps preferable to raping them as was so
commonplace by the zioscum in 1948.
Bleating? Naah.
But I do wait patiently for the day that ersatz "isr-el"� goes the way
of Apartheid South Africa, for many of the same reasons. Presently the
Excited States has a rather serious cash flow problem. How much longer
can they afford the luxury of supporting this parasitic, rogue entity?
Does the US really want to back the Arabs and oil, or ersatz "isr-el"�
and prolonged recession? But hey, they'll get cheap oranges.
Hmmmm?
>
>
Al Smith
You exemplify your kind.
-Al-
fla...@verizon.net
On 3-Jul-2009, drahcir <justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Poor Al "science is an ass" Smith just can't seem to get that syntax
> > > thing down pat.
> >
> > I would say that rounding up random groups of Israelis and putting
> > them into camps would also be in order, since this is what Israel
> > has done to the Palestinians.
This is a standard lie for hatemongering morons -
> > Then, to top it off, let's sow cluster
> > bombs all around Tel Aviv so that Israeli children can find them,
> > thinking they are toys ... which is exactly what Israel did in
> > southern Lebanon.
- but this is one of the more insane lies this sick loser has spewed.
> >
> > -Al-
>
> blahblahblahblahblahblah the dumbfuck doesn't even understand what
> syntax is!
Why should he bother with something so minor as
syntax when he doesn't even know what TRUTH is?
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 4-Jul-2009, drahcir <justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As I said above, an attack on Israel is long overdue. After all,
> > fair is fair. Israel sees no problem in launching a sneak attack
> > against its neighbors any old time it feels like it.
I wonder what Al Smith is smoking?
Or do you think he's injecting it?
> > Why should any
> > other country in the world feel the slightest hesitation in
> > launching a sneak attack against Israel?
Maybe it's because they're not nearly as stupid as
Al Smith, even if they are just as immoral?
> > But they should follow the
> > Israeli model and strike with overwhelming force at civilian
> > targets,
Do you think he's on crack?
I don't think mere alcohol can bring on these sorts of delusions.
> > because that's the Israeli way,
Definitely crack.
> > and Israelis couldn't
> > possibly have any objection to others doing to them what they have
> > so often done to others, right?
> >
If only others WOULD do that, & therefore leave Israel alone
until she actually attacks first, then the world would have
peace over there.
> > -Al-
>
> Al, why not tell the folks here how "science is an ass"? Maybe someone
> missed it.
Now he's projecting onto **science**???
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 4-Jul-2009, "Lord Salman Rushdie" <wind...@muzzies.com> wrote:
> "Gary Renzetti" <liz...@connection.com> wrote in message
> news:1b9fe$4a4eb6a2$cf701db6$17...@PRIMUS.CA...
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, was that a direct response to my post? or more avoidance.
> >> Simple really. If the Pals send people with bombs strapped to them to
> >> detonate in population centres, then they really can't take the moral
> >> high ground when the Jews respond.
> >>
> > Problem being that if you take everything from someone; their home,
> > possibly a family member or two, their land and their means of making a
> > living and leave them with nothing to live for, best you be careful.
But what has this to do with the so-called Palestinians?
> > If
> > they're still alive and having nothing to live for any longer, they
> > probably still have something to *die* for. Why does it surprise anyone
> > that these despairing people want to take as many of their rightfully
> > hated oppressors as possible with them? These people are more "sacrifice
> >
> > bombers" rather than "suicide bombers".
>
>
> ahh....so murder is acceptable to you.
And so is lying - his entire post is nothing but.
> The old '2 wrongs' argument.
And that's where the lie starts.
> Pathetic.
True.
Susan
DoD
I take that as a compliment from a bigot like you. You certainly are
the underbelly of a civil society.
Al Smith
That's the great thing about truth. It's not susceptible to spin.
It's just out there, being what it is. You Zionist shills don't
understand that. You think you can slant the truth, disguise the
truth, hide the truth, and maybe you can for a brief time, but you
can't change the truth, and you can't destroy the truth. In the end
it always shows you up for what you are.
-Al-
Al Smith
Your comments alone amply show what you are, to all those reading them.
-Al-
fla...@verizon.net
Wow - I hate to have to agree with such a slimebag,
but I have always felt the same :-)
> You certainly are
> the underbelly of a civil society.
Or even an uncivil one.
Susan
Alexander
And you are a cancer on the colon of the world. Obviously still a
traitor also.
>
Alexander
Why are you wasting time conversing with the idiot traitor, DoD?
>
> -Al-
Hermann
> On 6-Jul-2009, DoD <danski...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 5, 3:52 pm, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>> IOWs, you are a bigoted asshole that makes shit up.... Gotcha.
>>>>> Q.E.D.
>>>> LOL....You know I am right.
>>> You exemplify your kind.
>> I take that as a compliment from a bigot like you.
>
> Wow - I hate to have to agree with such a slimebag,
> but I have always felt the same :-)
Back to your street corner, Scuzzie. DoD is the biggest idiot on usenet.
>
>> You certainly are
>> the underbelly of a civil society.
>
> Or even an uncivil one.
Thats the Jews fer shure!
>
> Susan
Jewdas
> On 3-Jul-2009, drahcir <justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Poor Al "science is an ass" Smith just can't seem to get that syntax
>>>> thing down pat.
>>> I would say that rounding up random groups of Israelis and putting
>>> them into camps would also be in order, since this is what Israel
>>> has done to the Palestinians.
>
> This is a standard lie for hatemongering morons -
You mean the Jews of course.
>
>>> Then, to top it off, let's sow cluster
>>> bombs all around Tel Aviv so that Israeli children can find them,
>>> thinking they are toys ... which is exactly what Israel did in
>>> southern Lebanon.
>
> - but this is one of the more insane lies this sick loser has spewed.
I agree.. Lets leave the children out of this. I realize that the jews
just love killing Pali school kids though.
>>> -Al-
>> blahblahblahblahblahblah the dumbfuck doesn't even understand what
>> syntax is!
>
> Why should he bother with something so minor as
> syntax when he doesn't even know what TRUTH is?
>
> Susan
Like you would ever know.. what a piece of Jew lying propaganda.
drahcir
Hey Al, could we start our game again, where I make a simple point,
demonstrating that you have no grasp of syntax, and you babble on in
the hopes of distracting from that? Wait, maybe you "think" syntax is
somehow part of science, and of course, everyone knows you think
"science is an ass", right?
drahcir
> On 7/5/2009 11:38 PM, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 3-Jul-2009, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Poor Al "science is an ass" Smith just can't seem to get that syntax
> >>>> thing down pat.
> >>> I would say that rounding up random groups of Israelis and putting
> >>> them into camps would also be in order, since this is what Israel
> >>> has done to the Palestinians.
>
> > This is a standard lie for hatemongering morons -
>
> >>> Then, to top it off, let's sow cluster
> >>> bombs all around Tel Aviv so that Israeli children can find them,
> >>> thinking they are toys ... which is exactly what Israel did in
> >>> southern Lebanon.
>
> > - but this is one of the more insane lies this sick loser has spewed.
> >>> -Al-
> >> blahblahblahblahblahblah the dumbfuck doesn't even understand what
> >> syntax is!
>
> > Why should he bother with something so minor as
> > syntax when he doesn't even know what TRUTH is?
>
> > Susan
>
> That's the great thing about truth. It's not susceptible to spin.
You mean kinda like the truth that you so magnanimously shared with
the group on July 26 of last year, "science is an ass"? That kind of
truth, Al?
> It's just out there, being what it is. You Zionist shills don't
> understand that.
LOL! A presumptuous imbecile spews his wisdom. It's just about as
valuable as his magnum opus, "science is an ass".
You think you can slant the truth, disguise the
> truth, hide the truth, and maybe you can for a brief time, but you
> can't change the truth, and you can't destroy the truth. In the end
> it always shows you up for what you are.
As truth becomes more complex, it becomes less definite. Only simple
truths, such as that only a truly presumptuous imbecile would
pronounce something like "science is an ass", can be ascertained.
However, once such a truth is understood, other conclusions can be
based upon it, since it is terra firma. For example, one can predict
that any subsequent idea from a presumptuous imbecile who would
prounouce such a thing has an excellent chance of being just as
ridiculous.
>
> -Al-
Lord Salman Rushdie
Really?
When was there ever a country in history called Palestine?
Gaza was part of Egypt, and the rest Trans-Jordan.
>
>
Lord Salman Rushdie
No self-respecting person would rape a filthy pal.
> Bleating? Naah.
Yeaahh....like a bitch.
> But I do wait patiently for the day that ersatz "isr-el"� goes the way of
> Apartheid South Africa, for many of the same reasons.
Presently the
> Excited States has a rather serious cash flow problem. How much longer can
> they afford the luxury of supporting this parasitic, rogue entity?
> Does the US really want to back the Arabs and oil, or ersatz "isr-el"� and
> prolonged recession? But hey, they'll get cheap oranges.
> Hmmmm?
Dream on prick. 60 years on and they have made the desert bloom. Just
because twats like you stamp their feet and moan will not mean a thing to
the Israelis.
You're backing the wrong side. Try Darfur if you want a cause, wop cunt.
>>
Michael Ejercito
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8130934.stm
>
> A woman from Gaza stands at
> an Israeli check-point.
>
> We can only see her back but it
> is clear that in shame she opens
> her top to a female Israeli soldier
> to show that her breasts have been
> removed in an attempt to beat cancer.
>
> Despite this,
> she is refused entry to
> Israel on security grounds.
Why was she trying to enter Israel? Did she have her papers?
Michael
Gary Renzetti
>>
>>
>
Gary Renzetti
Tough
>>> shit and fuck 'em.
>> Well, fucking them is perhaps preferable to raping them as was so
>> commonplace by the zioscum in 1948.
>
> No self-respecting person would rape a filthy pal.
Yeah, but "self-respect" and "izzie" are mutually exclusive. Such scum
as we're discussing would doubtless rape a rockpile in hopes of finding
a snake within.
>
>> Bleating? Naah.
>
> Yeaahh....like a bitch.
>
>> But I do wait patiently for the day that ersatz "isr-el"� goes the way
>> of Apartheid South Africa, for many of the same reasons.
> Presently the
>> Excited States has a rather serious cash flow problem. How much longer
>> can they afford the luxury of supporting this parasitic, rogue entity?
>> Does the US really want to back the Arabs and oil, or ersatz "isr-el"�
>> and prolonged recession? But hey, they'll get cheap oranges.
>> Hmmmm?
>
> Dream on prick. 60 years on and they have made the desert bloom.
Too bad that it was someone else's desert, but vhat can ya do?
Just
> because twats like you stamp their feet and moan will not mean a thing
> to the Israelis.
Too true. It needs international sanctions and cutting of the US
financial umbilical cord.
> You're backing the wrong side.
I'm backing the side of decency and morality.
Try Darfur if you want a cause, wop cunt.
Darfur is a far more recent injustice which I leave to the Young Turks.
It is impossible to attack every injustice in the world. I've found my
cause and have neither the time nor the inclination to take on another.
>>>
Gary Renzetti
>
> Michael
fla...@verizon.net
On 6-Jul-2009, "Lord Salman Rushdie" <wind...@muzzies.com> wrote:
> "TDNY" <TD...@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
> news:kJKdnWOPl5Bqcs3X...@earthlink.com...
> >> In 1948 the armies of 7 Arab nations invaded the new state and tried to
> >>
> >> wipe it out before it was born.
> >> With odds of 60:1 against them, the jews won.
> >> 60 years later you bleat like a bitch because your side lost. Tough
> >> shit
> >> and fuck 'em.
> >
> > It was never Israel's land to begin with,
Except when it was, of course....
> > it always belonged to the
> > Palestinian people.
>
> Really?
Their delusians are STRONG.
> When was there ever a country in history called Palestine?
> Gaza was part of Egypt, and the rest Trans-Jordan.
And before that, it was under control of the British because
they had wrested it from the Otooman Empire.
If you insist it can't belong to the Jews, and we all know
that neither Egypt nor Jordan want it, it therefore has to
go to Turkey.
I'm fine w/that.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 6-Jul-2009, "Lord Salman Rushdie" <wind...@muzzies.com> wrote:
> "Gary Renzetti" <liz...@connection.com> wrote in message
> news:25021$4a5100ff$d8fe9d2a$27...@PRIMUS.CA...
> >> 60 years later you bleat like a bitch because your side lost. Tough
> >> shit
> >> and fuck 'em.
>
> > Well, fucking them is perhaps preferable to raping them
As if we needed any further proof s to just how sick
bigoted fantasies are...
> >as was so
> > commonplace by the zioscum in 1948.
>
> No self-respecting person would rape a filthy pal.
>
And no self-respecting person would spew the lies
Renzetti does w/out even trying to pretend he could
prove any of them... :-)
> > Bleating? Naah.
>
> Yeaahh....like a bitch.
>
It's all he's got.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 6-Jul-2009, drahcir <justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 1:50�am, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>> IOWs, you are a bigoted asshole that makes shit up.... Gotcha.
> > >>>> Q.E.D.
> > >>> LOL....You know I am right.
> > >> You exemplify your kind.
> >
> > > I take that as a compliment from a bigot like you. You certainly are
> > > the underbelly of a civil society.
> >
> > Your comments alone amply show what you are, to all those reading them.
> >
Yes - a being highly superior to lying scum like Al Smith :-)
Then again, that's not that difficult to achieve - but it's nice
of lying cowards to help out with the addition of their filth to
provide a sharp contrast :-)
> > -Al-
>
> Hey Al, could we start our game again, where I make a simple point,
> demonstrating that you have no grasp of syntax, and you babble on in
> the hopes of distracting from that? Wait, maybe you "think" syntax is
> somehow part of science, and of course, everyone knows you think
> "science is an ass", right?
Everyone knows he can't think in the first place.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 6-Jul-2009, drahcir <justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 1:05�am, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
> > > - but this is one of the more insane lies this sick loser has spewed.
> > >>> -Al-
> > >> blahblahblahblahblahblah the dumbfuck doesn't even understand what
> > >> syntax is!
> >
> > > Why should he bother with something so minor as
> > > syntax when he doesn't even know what TRUTH is?
> >
> > > Susan
> >
> > That's the great thing about truth. It's not susceptible to spin.
>
> You mean kinda like the truth that you so magnanimously shared with
> the group on July 26 of last year, "science is an ass"? That kind of
> truth, Al?
>
It must bembecause he does keep trying to subject truth to spin.
> > It's just out there, being what it is. You Zionist shills don't
> > understand that.
>
> LOL! A presumptuous imbecile spews his wisdom.
He's certainly projecting his flaws onto those who point them out
(I can't say "expose then" in his case - he does that, himself)
> It's just about as
> valuable as his magnum opus, "science is an ass".
>
> > You think you can slant the truth, disguise the
> > truth, hide the truth, and maybe you can for a brief time, but you
> > can't change the truth, and you can't destroy the truth. In the end
> > it always shows you up for what you are.
>
See what I mean? Pure projectionism, start to finish.
> As truth becomes more complex, it becomes less definite.
But the lies he tells are about simple truths, too.
Susan
DoD
I can live with that, bigot.
Docky Wocky
Obama is off apologizing for America in a foreign land, somewhere.
Ahmadinejob is either down in his underground bunker, mouthing off as usual,
or running around Tehran mouthing off, as usual.
The Iranian ayatollahs are all in their mosque-basement bunker offices
practicing their evil looks at their mirrors and stroking their beards and
working up an afternoon hate session for the next scheduled religious shows.
The rest of the Iranian citizens are still being oppressed by the religious
whackos that run Ahmadinejob, but they are more subversive about it and
waiting for some cataclysmic event to go to back to the streets.
Izzie missile subs are on station in Persian Gulf, or other prime locations.
Izzie planes are all in prime shape and ready to be fuelled and loaded as
soon as the call comes down.
The Saudis plan on looking the other way if Izzies overfly them on way to
Iran.
Months of prep and practice have occurred.
Izzie pilots have all taken leave and spent some time at the beach.
SO:
If I was an Iranian nuclear scientists mother, and her little baby was
working at one of the nuclear facilities Ahmadinejob brags about, I would be
urging little Omar or little Mahmoud to come home for a month or so for a
visit.
The phony sites will get a bit of attention to make it look good. They
attracted the full attention of the Izzie spies who checked them out and who
worked overtime with their Iranian co-workers to determine what was what.
They are probably all at their supposed mommies place by now in their family
basement bunkers restocking the canned goods.
Lord Salman Rushdie
LOL....IOW, no Jews in Darfur.
> It is impossible to attack every injustice in the world. I've found my
> cause and have neither the time nor the inclination to take on another.
and the fact that you hate yids just makes it that much sweeter.
You're a pathetic bigot...have the guts to admit it.
>>>>
Gary Renzetti
about Falashim?
>
>> It is impossible to attack every injustice in the world. I've found my
>> cause and have neither the time nor the inclination to take on another.
>
> and the fact that you hate yids just makes it that much sweeter.
Lord Salman Rushdie
What about them? another strawman?
>>
>>> It is impossible to attack every injustice in the world. I've found my
>>> cause and have neither the time nor the inclination to take on another.
>>
>> and the fact that you hate yids just makes it that much sweeter.
> A falsehood. Why do you tell lies?
Because of your remarks which are in the main anti-israeli, but would be
offensive to any jew regardless of their support (or lackoff) for Israel.
You're just not very bright, are you Gary?
You are an offensive bigot, and the fact that you won't even accept that as
a fact, also makes you a craven coward.
At least TRY to be honest with yourself.
Lord Salman Rushdie
Look at your bible, dum-dum.
Israel has a documented history.
'Palestine' is just a modern invention
>>>
>>>
>>
Al Smith
I'm sure you can.
-Al-
Lord Salman Rushdie
> Michael Ejercito wrote:
>> On Jul 3, 12:55 pm, "TDNY" <T...@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8130934.stm
>>>
>>> A woman from Gaza stands at
>>> an Israeli check-point.
>>>
>>> We can only see her back but it
>>> is clear that in shame she opens
>>> her top to a female Israeli soldier
>>> to show that her breasts have been
>>> removed in an attempt to beat cancer.
>>>
>>> Despite this,
>>> she is refused entry to
>>> Israel on security grounds.
>> Why was she trying to enter Israel? Did she have her papers?
probably to get medical treatment for her breast cancer.
You can be sure that you won't hear the Wop bleating on about that.
Michael Ejercito
> Michael Ejercitowrote:
Michael
Gary Renzetti
You're right Salmon, it's *way* too ordinary an occurrence to be worth
mentioning. It's just everyday izzie behavior.
fla...@verizon.net
On 10-Jul-2009, Michael Ejercito <meje...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 6:59�pm, Gary Renzetti <lizg...@connection.com> wrote:
> > Michael Ejercito wrote:
>
> > > � �Why was she trying to enter Israel? Did she have her papers?
> >
> > Perhaps some religious nut spick was hitting on her.
> >
> What the hell is a nut spick?
Renzetti, of course.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 10-Jul-2009, "Lord Salman Rushdie" <wind...@muzzies.com> wrote:
> probably to get medical treatment for her breast cancer.
> You can be sure that you won't hear the Wop bleating on about that.
Yes - it is amazing how it slips his mind that she actually
did get treated in Israel, even tho' her governmwent has
sworn to destroy Israel.
If she is so ashamed to have to show her surgfery scars
to another woman, then maybe she should campaign to
remove the government, and stop the activities of her
fellows, that make such actions necessary.
Susan