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C R Spinner

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Jun 25, 2003, 2:57:12 AM6/25/03
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http://www.africaonline.com/site/Articles/1,3,53323.jsp
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> Egypt Vows To Battle Female Circumcision
> Staff Reporter
> Cairo 23 June 2003
>
> Delegates from across Africa have gathered in Egypt to commit themselves
> to eradicating the barbaric practise of female circumcision which leaves
> two million girls a year with genital mutilation.
And male circumcision (MGM) leaves millions of boys a years with
genital mutilation.

Some societies do it, others do not.

Indeed it is said that barbaric practices such as Human Cuticle
Mutilation (HCM - nail cutting), Body Hair Mutilation (BHM - hair
shaving), Female mammary Gland Mutilation (FMGM - breast
enlargement/reduction), Human Nose Mutilation (HNM - plastic
surgery on the proboscis) etc. leaves millions with mutilated or
deformed body parts.

And some societies would have nothing to do with either of the
above.
>
> CAIRO: Delegates from 28 countries across the Middle East and Africa have
> gathered in Egypt to pledge their commitment to eradicating female
> circumcision, long considered a barbaric practice around the world.
Who considers it 'barbaric'? The infidels?
Strange that people would gather in Egypt to endorse the views of
supremacist whites such as Blair who referred to Arabs/muslims as
'barbarians' not so long ago!
>
> Between 120 and 130 million women, mainly in Africa and the Arab world,
> are circumcised, while two million girls annually undergo the procedure
> which entails the removal of their clitoris.
>
> Egypt first lady, Suzanne Mubarak says they are determined to battle
> the problem to ensure a better future for their daughters.
"problem"? Who determined that it is a problem?
"better"? What do you mean? Do you know?

It is said that we think in images/pictures ...
Thus when she was talking thus, in her mind was an image of ...

Goodness! The rest of the lecherous creeps just buy the
magazines!

Ahh. Suzanne. A nice Egyptian name.
Mhh. Maybe, er, it is not too late for Suzanne to embrace the
local ways and practices by ....
Don't be afraid my child. The initiation rite takes but just a
moment ...

Ahh. Suzanne of the little education and a burning intent to
bringing western ways to middle east and Africa. Did the
Africans or the Arabs request her services?
>
> The gathering, dubbed the Afro-Arab Expert Consultation for the
> Prevention of Female Genital Mutilation, has attracted campaigners
> from Yemen as well as African countries like Senegal, Kenya, Mali,
> Burkina Faso and Chad.
Campaigners. All thinking about that same thing (titillation) for
so many days ...
One may wonder, what are they "expert" at?

Who pays the bill for their joyous gatherings? The UN? WHO? The
genocidal maniacs named IMF/WB? The UK?

Hundreds of thousands of dollars would be spent on this assembly.
Quite a tidy sum - that could initiate and complete various
community projects. Or provide food for several starving kids in
Ethiopia. Or Mali.
They claim that they care about mothers and daughters. But the
campaigners and their handlers would state that they have no
funds to ensure that kids get clean water. Or good health care.
Or pre-natal care for the mothers. Or post-natal care for the
mothers. Or a good education for the daughters.
And the kids die. And the mothers die. And the daughters die in
child birth.
Despicable assembly of joy-seekers and goons.

Is there a body that foots the bill for those who wish to
campaign for the preservation of the diverse Arab and African
culture and practices?

Suzanne, note that:
1) Various studies fail reveal any impairment (or "problem"
relating) to the natural reproductive functions arising as a
result of male or female circumcision.
2) Indeed many leaders in political, business, social, technical
and scientific pursuits in Africa an the Middle East were
born to parents who observed and respected the circumcision
rites. Do you perceive shortcomings in the capabilities of
these leaders which can be traced to the circumcision of
their parents?
3) The practice may not meet the infidels' aesthetic views of the
day - but it is NOT done to please the infidels. And neither
do the infidels provide the yardstick for aesthetics.

Like the appreciation of (abstract) art, aesthetics is a highly
subjective thing. And like art or classical music, those who do
not appreciate it usually have the social graces - not to disrupt
the enjoyment and concentration of the practitioners immersed in
the appreciation of the culture/tradition.

But does this uncouth lack of appreciation of culture explain the
fanatical crusade of the west and their agents upon the social
customs of the barbarians?

Indeed, are "western" customs (if at all we can agree on what
that is) THAT attractive or desirable? Can one suggest that the
foreigners' ways lead to a better quality of life than that of
the African or Arab as scored on various social indicators?

No.

The march for imperial/colonial domination of the 'lesser races'
by the european supremacist races often started with a military
conquest. Then followed a drawn out period in which the social
structures and customs of the conquered were systematically
disrupted/dismantled so as to destroy their allegiances and
social identity - a process that often led to the predatory
demise (savored slowly) of the vanquished if they were not needed
to supply slave labor.

... A macabre policy and implementation which kicked into high
gear against the third world 'barbarian' hordes (that is, the
Africans, Arabs, Asians) in the early sixties and has accelerated
within the last two years -

a rendezvous with extermination for the Africans and the Arabs

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Charlie
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"Through 12 rate CUTS beginning in January 2001, the USA's
Federal Reserve Bank has pushed the funds rate down to
1.25 percent."
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Katie Miranda

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Jun 26, 2003, 10:33:58 PM6/26/03
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C R Spinner <cspi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<514ifvo69lqohv874...@4ax.com>...

> And male circumcision (MGM) leaves millions of boys a years with
> genital mutilation.
>
> Some societies do it, others do not.
>
> Indeed it is said that barbaric practices such as Human Cuticle
> Mutilation (HCM - nail cutting), Body Hair Mutilation (BHM - hair
> shaving), Female mammary Gland Mutilation (FMGM - breast
> enlargement/reduction), Human Nose Mutilation (HNM - plastic
> surgery on the proboscis) etc. leaves millions with mutilated or
> deformed body parts.

The arguments above, although facetious, are nevertheless
fantastically flawed. HCM, BHM, FMGM, HNM are all practices and
procedures which are *chosen* by the person whose body they are going
to happen to and if surgical, done by a proper doctor under
anesthesia. None of them are done to terrified, screaming 8 year old
girls against their will. None of them have the potential to leave the
girl or women with a life time of infections, the potential of
infertility and the possibility of bleeding to death, not to mention
weeks of excruciating pain and the inability to have sexual pleasure.
Why don't you throw in TE (Testicle Evisceration) to your list of cute
and clever body modifications and see just how funny that is for you
to contemplate.

> "problem"? Who determined that it is a problem?
> "better"? What do you mean? Do you know?

You must not be familiar with the side effects of female genital
mutilation. Here, let me quote from Amnesty International's
(http://www.amnesty.org) website for you.

"The effects of genital mutilation can lead to death. At the time the
mutilation is carried out, pain, shock, haemorrhage and damage to the
organs surrounding the clitoris and labia can occur. Afterwards urine
may be retained and serious infection develop. Use of the same
instrument on several girls without sterilization can cause the spread
of HIV.
More commonly, the chronic infections, intermittent bleeding,
abscesses and small benign tumours of the nerve which can result from
clitoridectomy and excision cause discomfort and extreme pain.
Infibulation can have even more serious long-term effects: chronic
urinary tract infections, stones in the bladder and urethra, kidney
damage, reproductive tract infections resulting from obstructed
menstrual flow, pelvic infections, infertility, excessive scar tissue,
keloids (raised, irregularly shaped, progressively enlarging scars)
and dermoid cysts.

First sexual intercourse can only take place after gradual and painful
dilation of the opening left after mutilation. In some cases, cutting
is necessary before intercourse can take place. In one study carried
out in Sudan, 15% of women interviewed reported that cutting was
necessary before penetration could be achieved.1 Some new wives are
seriously damaged by unskillful cutting carried out by their husbands.
A possible additional problem resulting from all types of female
genital mutilation is that lasting damage to the genital area can
increase the risk of HIV transmission during intercourse.

During childbirth, existing scar tissue on excised women may tear.
Infibulated women, whose genitals have been tightly closed, have to be
cut to allow the baby to emerge. If no attendant is present to do
this, perineal tears or obstructed labour can occur. After giving
birth, women are often reinfibulated to make them "tight" for their
husbands. The constant cutting and restitching of a women's genitals
with each birth can result in tough scar tissue in the genital area."

Now I trust you understand what a problem it is. Remember, these are
only the PHYSICAL side effects.

> Suzanne, note that:
> 1) Various studies fail reveal any impairment (or "problem"
> relating) to the natural reproductive functions arising as a
> result of male or female circumcision.

Infertility due to repeated infections, the tearing of scar tissue
during childbirth, extreme pain during intercourse are three I can
think of offhand. Or is a woman being able to successfully have a
child all that really matters to you ? Is that the be all end all of
her life ? Making babies ?

> 2) Indeed many leaders in political, business, social, technical
> and scientific pursuits in Africa an the Middle East were
> born to parents who observed and respected the circumcision
> rites. Do you perceive shortcomings in the capabilities of
> these leaders which can be traced to the circumcision of
> their parents?

Perhaps you should interview the female political, business, social,
technical and scientific leaders about their sex lives. How does it
feel to have the scar tissue around their labia stretched and torn
during sex ? Have they ever had an orgasm before ? Perhaps they'd like
to have one but they can't because they have no clitoris.

> 3) The practice may not meet the infidels' aesthetic views of the
> day - but it is NOT done to please the infidels. And neither
> do the infidels provide the yardstick for aesthetics.

If your mother or father decided when you were a child that you would
be more aesthetically pleasing to a future mate if one of your fingers
were chopped off, would you object ? What if your finger was chopped
off with a an unsanitised broken piece of glass, and you were given no
anesthetic ?

> Like the appreciation of (abstract) art, aesthetics is a highly
> subjective thing. And like art or classical music, those who do
> not appreciate it usually have the social graces - not to disrupt
> the enjoyment and concentration of the practitioners immersed in
> the appreciation of the culture/tradition.

I completely and wholeheartedly support any woman's decision to have
her clitoris removed if she is:
1) an adult and capable of making the decision for herself
2) is in no way coerced, bribed or manipulated into doing so
3) has the procedure done by a medical professional
4) completely understands the procedure, ramifications and results

Unfortunately the victims of female genital mutilation are usually
children who are physically forced by someone who is not a doctor and
the child has no idea what is happening to her.

> But does this uncouth lack of appreciation of culture explain the
> fanatical crusade of the west and their agents upon the social
> customs of the barbarians?

This is not merely an issue of social customs, it is an issue of a
human being's right to have their body remain intact, the way they
were born. I wonder why the people who find this procedure so
necessary for religious reasons ever contemplated why their god would
allow a woman to be born with a piece of anatomy that the god would
then want removed.

> The march for imperial/colonial domination of the 'lesser races'
> by the european supremacist races often started with a military
> conquest. Then followed a drawn out period in which the social
> structures and customs of the conquered were systematically
> disrupted/dismantled so as to destroy their allegiances and
> social identity - a process that often led to the predatory
> demise (savored slowly) of the vanquished if they were not needed
> to supply slave labor.

Perhaps you'd like to explain how female genital mutilation reinforces
your allegiances and social identity. I would argue that it does
nothing of the sort. I can barely get anyone to clearly say the phrase
"Female Genital Mutilation" (they tend to abbreviate it to FGM or say
"circumcision" or say it in a hushed voice) let around parade around
with a banner that says "Proud to be Clitoris-Free."

-Katie Miranda.

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