Six Black Presidents???
james Thomas
an argument can be made that six of the presidents of these here United
States were brothers...or at least by definition of the "one-drop" rule.
Warren Harding is generally the one historians talk about most, but my
interest was spiked by the Dwight D. Eisenhower saga, especially after
seeing the photo of his mother taken the day of her wedding. The photo's
in his autobiography, "Attention!" and if you'd have seen the photo
anywhere else you'd have most assuredly thought the woman a mulatto or
Indian.
The story sounds plausible too. She was adopted as a child after her
mother died and it's this mother who may have been the black link, that
is, Eisenhower's grandmother. Her surname, in fact, was Link, and in
this Virginia town there were two sets of Links, one white, the other
black. After she died, Eisenhower's mother was adopted and moved moved
to Abelene, Texas where she met her husband, Eisenhower's father. The
story goes, her adopted parents dropped all contact with the their
adopted daughters blood kin, that is, the possible black kin of the
mother(Eisenhower's grandmother). Dwight D. Eisenhower was born in
1890, this means his mother would have been born around 1870, five years
after the Civil War. Virginia would have been a mess around this time,
everything turned topsy-turvy. A man might have taken advantage of the
confusion by knowingly marrying a woman part black, than passing their
daughter off as white after the mother died -- especially if he was
thinking about giving her up for adoption, as he did.
Then there's the story of Queen Charlotte being a sistuh too. That's
Queen Charlotte wife of the famed King George III. Remind me to tell you
that one one day.
BARD
Michael Jones
Anonymous wrote:
> james Thomas <sbb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3B70B5A0...@hotmail.com...
> Queen Charlotte a negress
>
> Now I've heard everything
Go to the comments made about this German princess upon her arrival in London to wed King
George then look up the portrait made of her after the wedding. Both are astounding. The
journalists of the day write of her thick lips, yellow skin, unseemly nose. The portrait
depicts a young woman who looks astonishingly like Rain Pryor, Richard Pryor's mulatto
daughter. Subsequent portraits mysteriously eliminate all these features. Mind you, this
German princess came from an obscure German duchy to marry King George sight unseen. The year
was 1760, a time most europeans had yet to see a person of African extraction let alone
harbor racist feelings towards one. In other words, the writings I cite above are -- it seems
to me -- very much what you'd expect from people with little or no contact with blacks. In
addition, German coats of arms replete with images of Africans. The surname "Shwarzkopf," for
example, is directly translated to "Blackhead." When we looks up the coat of arms for this
name or variants of it, we finds countless images of black Africans.
BARD
Michael Jones
Jeff George
>
> Here's that portrait:
>
> http://www.lib.virginia.edu/exhibits/charlotte/charcoro.jpg
>
She looks just like her husband.
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Jeff George
Michael Jones
Jeff George wrote:
> Michael Jones wrote:
> >
> > Here's that portrait:
> >
> > http://www.lib.virginia.edu/exhibits/charlotte/charcoro.jpg
> >
>
> She looks just like her husband.
She looks dramatically different in this portrait than in the others that
supposedly of her. In these later portraits her features are completely
Caucasian. My theory goes like this: The woman was certainly part black,
the Germans knew it, yet sent her to London to marry George III anyway.
She may have been adopted and deeply loved. I've secured portraits of her
supposed ancestors -- mother, father, grandfather, grandmother,
great-grandmother, etc -- who all look like typical Germans of the day,
no resemblance to her at all. No, the Woman in the Ramsey portrait
certainly isn't blood kin of the Mecklinburg family (which is the name of
the county in German she comes from as well as her family name.) In
addition, as I point out, the book of German coat-of-arms for this period
is rife with the heads of Africans. This would suggest that during this
time the African was considered a heroic figure, not a lessor human
being. Form this we can readily conjecture German nobles would have had
no compunction raising orphan mulattos as their own. Who would dare make
something of it. Germany had entirely no hand in the slave trade. Most
Germans had never even seen a sistuh. And as to the duke and duchess of
Mecklinburg (her family) they probably never dreamed they would be called
on to supply a wife for the new King of England. Further, why would they
give two figs about infusing her blood in the Royal English gene pool in
any event? Why would it make any difference to them at all? In fact, it
might have been a way of getting rid of the strange looking girl while
keeping their own lily-white daughters at home.
BARD
Frank Johansen
>
> Jeff George wrote:
>
> > Michael Jones wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's that portrait:
> > >
> > > http://www.lib.virginia.edu/exhibits/charlotte/charcoro.jpg
> > >
> >
> > She looks just like her husband.
>
> She looks dramatically different in this portrait than in the others that
> supposedly of her. In these later portraits her features are completely
> Caucasian. My theory goes like this: The woman was certainly part black,
> the Germans knew it, yet sent her to London to marry George III anyway.
> She may have been adopted and deeply loved.
Here's a brief outline of Queen Charlotte's first few generations of
ancestors:
1. Charlotte, Duchess of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1744-1818)
2. Karl I, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1708-1752); m.
3. Elisabeth Albertine, Duchess of Saxe-Hildburghausen (1713-1761)
4. Adolf Friedrich II, Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1658-1708); m.
5. Christiane Emilie, Countess of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen (1681-1751)
6. Ernst Friedrich I, Duke of Saxe-Hildburghausen (1681-1724); m.
7. Sophia Albertine, Countess of Erbach (1683-1742)
8. Adolf Friedrich I, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1588-1658); m.
9. Maria Katharina, Duchess of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel (1616-1665)
10. Christian Wilhelm, Furst of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen (1647-1721);
m.
11. Antonie Sibylle, Countess of Barby (1641-1681)
12. Ernst, Duke of Saxe-Hildburghausen (1655-1715); m.
13. Sophia Henriette, Countess of Waldeck-Eisenberg (1662-1702)
14. Georg Ludwig I, Count of Erbach-Erbach (1643-1693); m.
15. Amalia Katharina, Countess of Waldeck-Eisenberg (1640-1697)
16. Johann VII, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1558-1592); m.
17. Sophie, Duchess of Holstein-Gottorp (1569-1634)
18. Julius Ernst, Duke of Brunswick-Dannenberg (1571-1636); m.
19. Maria, Countess of Ostfriesland (1582-1616)
20. Anton Gunther I, Count of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen (1620-1666); m.
21. Maria Magdalena, Countess Palatine of Zweibrucken-Birkenfeld
(1622-1689)
22. Albrecht Friedrich, Count of Barby (1597-1641)
23. Sophie Ursula, Countess of Oldenburg-Delmenhorst (1601-1642)
24. Ernst I, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg (1601-1675); m.
25. Elisabeth Sophia, Duchess of Saxe-Altenburg (1619-1680)
26. Georg Friedrich, Furst of Waldeck-Eisenberg (1620-1692); m.
27. Elisabeth Charlotte, Countess of Nassau-Siegen (1626-1694)
28. Georg Albrecht I, Count of Erbach (1597-1647); m.
29. Elisabeth Dorothea, Countess of Hohenlohe-Schillingfurst (1617-1655)
30. Philipp Theodor, Count of Waldeck-Eisenberg (1614-1645); m.
31. Maria Magdalena, Countess of Nassau-Siegen (1622-1647)
As you can see, nothing but plain old, rather dull, Germans there :)
But if you search for "Charlotte moorish" at http://groups.google.com,
you will that this topic has been discussed before
in this group. From that thread I have extracted these ancestors of
Queen Charlotte:
56. Georg III, Count of Erbach (1548-1605)
113. Margarethe, Countess of Salm-Dhaun (1521-1576)
227. Antoniette de Neufchatel (1500-1544)
454. Ferdinand de Neufchatel (1452-ca.1522)
909. Margarita de Castro (d. ca. 1479)
1819. Macia de Sousa
3628. Affonso Vasquez de Sousa
7276. Vasco Martims de Sousa-Chiccoro
14552. Martim Affonso de Sousa-Chiccoro
29104. Martim Affonso "Chiccoro"
58208. Affonso III, King of Portugal (1210-1279), and a mistress:
58209. Magdalene Gil. She was a Berber.
> I've secured portraits of her
> supposed ancestors -- mother, father, grandfather, grandmother,
> great-grandmother, etc -- who all look like typical Germans of the day,
> no resemblance to her at all. No, the Woman in the Ramsey portrait
> certainly isn't blood kin of the Mecklinburg family (which is the name of
> the county in German she comes from as well as her family name.) In
> addition, as I point out, the book of German coat-of-arms for this period
> is rife with the heads of Africans. This would suggest that during this
> time the African was considered a heroic figure, not a lessor human
> being. Form this we can readily conjecture German nobles would have had
> no compunction raising orphan mulattos as their own. Who would dare make
> something of it. Germany had entirely no hand in the slave trade. Most
> Germans had never even seen a sistuh. And as to the duke and duchess of
> Mecklinburg (her family) they probably never dreamed they would be called
> on to supply a wife for the new King of England. Further, why would they
> give two figs about infusing her blood in the Royal English gene pool in
> any event? Why would it make any difference to them at all? In fact, it
> might have been a way of getting rid of the strange looking girl while
> keeping their own lily-white daughters at home.
Are you suggesting that Charlotte might not have been a biological
daughte of the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, but
rather some sort of adopted mulat?
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Frank H. Johansen
fra...@enitel.no
A Tsar Is Born
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> Anonymous wrote:
>
> > james Thomas <sbb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3B70B5A0...@hotmail.com...
> > > If you read the J.A. Rogers book titled "Six Black Presidents", you
know
> > > an argument can be made that six of the presidents of these here
United
> > > States were brothers...or at least by definition of the "one-drop"
rule.
It does, actually, as you've presented it.
During Reconstruction, the color bar was often not as high as it became
shortly thereafter, under Jim Crow.
Don't see that it means anything.
> > > Then there's the story of Queen Charlotte being a sistuh too. That's
> > > Queen Charlotte wife of the famed King George III. Remind me to tell
you
> > > that one one day.
Actually it's been discussed here.
I can't see the slightest evidence for any such thing.
> Go to the comments made about this German princess upon her arrival in
London to wed King
> George then look up the portrait made of her after the wedding. Both are
astounding. The
> journalists of the day write of her thick lips, yellow skin, unseemly
nose.
Plain she always was. No one ever challenged that.
>The year
> was 1760, a time most europeans had yet to see a person of African
extraction let alone
> harbor racist feelings towards one. In other words, the writings I cite
above are -- it seems
> to me -- very much what you'd expect from people with little or no contact
with blacks.
Europeans, no. The English, however, owned a colony or two, well-stocked
with African slaves and their variously diluted descendants. Had owned these
colonies for over a hundred years. Much of the London mercantile aristocracy
went to and from the Bahamas etc. quite often. They had seen such things,
they had black staff in their homes on occasion, and if Charlotte had
appeared negroid, as opposed to merely ugly, it would quickly have been
noticed. And remarked.
You can do better than this.
Jean Coeur de Lapin
atsar...@hotmail.com
Holly W.
I think y'all may be interested in this site:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous/royalfamily.html
It talks about Charlotte's known African ancestry--an ancestry she
shared with a number of other royal and noble European families.
Hollie
Michael Jones
Frank Johansen wrote:
>
>
> Are you suggesting that Charlotte might not have been a biological
> daughte of the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, but
> rather some sort of adopted mulat?
>
> --
>
> Vennlig hilsen
> Frank H. Johansen
> fra...@enitel.no
Yes, this makes more sense than her looking mulatto because of an african
grandfather 20 generations earlier. Based on the portrait I'd say the African
was either a parent or grandparent. Also, as I say, I've looked at portraits of
her parents and grandparents and seen no African features.Conclusion: she must
have been adopted.
BARD
osc
Michael Jones
> Jean Coeur de Lapin
Baron Stockmar, her personal physician, said in his autobiography that sha had a
"true mulatto (mixed race) face."
BARD
>
Susan Cohen
Michael Jones wrote:
> Here's that portrait:
>
> http://www.lib.virginia.edu/exhibits/charlotte/charcoro.jpg
Yes, this look very like Queen Mary, who felt that she looked too
close to Queen Charlotte to be beautiful.
Which, of course, does not prove that she was part African.
She looks, to my mind, quite German., and this portrait looks merely
*younger* than the others that I've seen.
Susan
David Richardson
I just love the scholarship of your work!
Michael Jones wrote:
> Go to the comments made about this German princess upon her arrival in London to wed King
> George then look up the portrait made of her after the wedding. Both are astounding. The
> journalists of the day write of her thick lips, yellow skin, unseemly nose.
Somehow I doubt that journalists of the day would openly make such a statement!
From the PBS Frontline program, we find out tht
With her large mouth, flat nose and swarthy complexion, she had been nicknamed
"monkey face".
http://www.blackpresence.co.uk/html/queen.htm
> The portrait
> depicts a young woman who looks astonishingly like Rain Pryor, Richard Pryor's mulatto
> daughter. Subsequent portraits mysteriously eliminate all these features. Mind you, this
> German princess came from an obscure German duchy to marry King George sight unseen.
> The year
> was 1760, a time most europeans had yet to see a person of African extraction let alone
> harbor racist feelings towards one.
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Classroom/9912/africanseurope.html
> In other words, the writings I cite above are -- it seems
> to me -- very much what you'd expect from people with little or no contact with blacks.
> In
> addition, German coats of arms replete with images of Africans. The surname "Shwarzkopf," for
> example, is directly translated to "Blackhead." When we looks up the coat of arms for this
> name or variants of it, we finds countless images of black Africans.
Well that is an interesting theory but most
>
>
> BARD