Republicans Told the IRS To Audit the NAACP and the AARP. Now They're Squalling Because Their Phony Astroturf Groups are Getting the Same Treatment.

[Lisa Lisa]

What a bunch of babies. Waaaah!! Call me a wahmubulance. And get me
The Hair Club for Men. Karl Rove's head reminds me of a baby's ass!


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House Republicans seek audit of AARP
By Julian Pecquet - 04/08/11 05:23 PM ET

Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee asked federal tax
authorities Friday to look into AARP's finances.

The request was widely expected after the committee released a report
last week raising questions about the hundreds of millions of dollars
the nonprofit seniors' lobby gets for endorsing insurance products.

"The facts laid out in our report strongly suggest that AARP, Inc.,
and its affiliates may no longer qualify as a tax-exempt
organization," said the letter to IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman.

AARP says all its revenue supports its mission of helping seniors.

And Democrats say Republicans are simply trying to punish the seniors'
lobby for putting its considerable weight behind healthcare reform




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[DCI]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:51:06 PM UTC-7, Lisa Lisa wrote:
> What a bunch of babies. Waaaah!! Call me a wahmubulance. And get me
>
> The Hair Club for Men. Karl Rove's head reminds me of a baby's ass!
>

Cut -

Lisa, you couldn't be serious with this sort of humor. The poor child is labeled.

DCI

[Joe Cooper]

Lisa Lisa <sylvan...@gmail.com> wrote in news:e1360ae7-bf38-4676-
971a-962...@i3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com:

>
> What a bunch of babies. Waaaah!! Call me a wahmubulance. And get me
> The Hair Club for Men. Karl Rove's head reminds me of a baby's ass!

I guess that explains why a criminal investigation of the IRS actions
relating to Tea Party and other organizations has now begun, while no
such criminal investigation resulted from the instances you note, Lisa.

Imagine that.

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[Lisa Lisa]

On May 14, 9:43 pm, Joe Cooper <nieqezbmv...@tormail.org> wrote:
> Lisa Lisa <sylvanlewi...@gmail.com> wrote in news:e1360ae7-bf38-4676-
> 971a-9626495c9...@i3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com:

>
>
>
> > What a bunch of babies.  Waaaah!!  Call me a wahmubulance.  And get me
> > The Hair Club for Men.  Karl Rove's head reminds me of a baby's ass!
>
> I guess that explains why a criminal investigation of the IRS actions
> relating to Tea Party and other organizations has now begun, while no
> such criminal investigation resulted from the instances you note, Lisa.
>
> Imagine that.

Well OF COURSE they're going to initiate a criminal investigation.
They were ready to throw Bill Clinton out for lying about a blow job.

They're REPUBLICUNTS. That's why they act the way they do. DUH!


Lisa

[BeamMeUpScotty]

You should stick to whining and blaming Bush....


Clinton's impeachment was Bush's fault.

[Joe Cooper]

Lisa Lisa <sylvan...@gmail.com> wrote in news:be89835e-32a9-40f3-
982f-08f...@y5g2000yqy.googlegroups.com:

> Well OF COURSE they're going to initiate a criminal investigation.
> They were ready to throw Bill Clinton out for lying about a blow job.
>
> They're REPUBLICUNTS. That's why they act the way they do. DUH!

Another proggie intellectual weighs in with carefully considered and well
documented facts.

It is not at all surprising that Lisa accepts a lying president as a
matter of course...if, of course, he's a Democrat.

I thank Lisa for providing yet another example of rhetorical
intimidation. "REPUBLICUNTS" indeed.

[Nickname unavailable]

On May 15, 12:48 pm, Joe Cooper <nieqezbmv...@tormail.org> wrote:
> Lisa Lisa <sylvanlewi...@gmail.com> wrote in news:be89835e-32a9-40f3-
> 982f-08fa7d525...@y5g2000yqy.googlegroups.com:

>
> > Well OF COURSE they're going to initiate a criminal investigation.
> > They were ready to throw Bill Clinton out for lying about a blow job.
>
> > They're REPUBLICUNTS.  That's why they act the way they do.  DUH!
>
> Another proggie intellectual weighs in with carefully considered and well
> documented facts.
>
> It is not at all surprising that Lisa accepts a lying president as a
> matter of course...if, of course, he's a Democrat.
>
> I thank Lisa for providing yet another example of rhetorical
> intimidation. "REPUBLICUNTS" indeed.

>  we have to be careful here about labeling this as a witch hunt. after 
all, the tea party is funded by the kochs, the kochs got their money 
from stalin. the irs might be doing its job rooting out communists who 
might be trying to under mine our democracy, and installing a 
communist dictatorship. 
 the tea party might be Bolsheviks, if they are, they might be very 
dangerous to capitalism and democracy.
:comrade KOCH worked for stalin:stalin made him rich:))))))))the
family worked for the Bolsheviks in the late 1920s/early 30s:building
refineries/training Communist engineers/laying down the foundation of
Soviet oil infrastructure
http://exiledonline.com/a-peoples-history-of-koch-industries-how-stal...
A People’s History of Koch Industries: How Stalin Funded the Tea
Party 
Movement 
By Yasha Levine
“I would rather live under a bridge than live under socialism” 
—tea
bagger slogan
Everyone knows that Tea Party revolutionaries fear and hate socialism
about as much as the Antichrist. Which is funny, because the Tea
Party 
movement’s dirty little secret is that it owes its existence to
the 
grandaddy of all Antichrists: the godless empire of the USSR.
What few realize is that the secretive oil billionaires of the Koch
family, the main supporters of the right-wing groups that
orchestrated 
the Tea Party movement, would not have the means to
bankroll their 
favorite causes had it not been for the pile of money
the family made 
working for the Bolsheviks in the late 1920s and
early 1930s, building 
refineries, training Communist engineers and
laying down the 
foundation of Soviet oil infrastructure. 
The
comrades were good to the Kochs. Today Koch Industries has grown 
into
the second-largest private company in America. With an annual 
revenue
of $100 billion, the company was just $6.3 billion shy of 
first place
in 2008. Ownership is kept strictly in the family, with 
the company
being split roughly between right-wing brothers Charles 
and David
Koch, who are worth about $20 billion apiece and are 
infamous as the
largest sponsors of right-wing causes. They bankroll 
scores of free-
market and libertarian think tanks, institutes and 
advocacy groups.
Reason magazine, Heritage Foundation and Cato 
Institute are just a
few of Koch-backed free-market operations. 
Greenpeace estimates that
the Koch family shelled out $25 million from 
2005 to 2008 funding the
“climate denial machine,” which means they 
outspent Exxon Mobile
three to one. 
I first learned about the Kochs in February 2009, when
Mark Ames and I 
were looking into the strange origins of the then-
nascent Tea Party 
movement. Our investigation led us again and again
to a handful of 
right-wing organizations and think tanks directly
tied to the Kochs. 
We were the first to connect the dots and debunk
the Tea Party 
movement’s “grassroots” front, exposing it as
billionaire-backed 
astroturf campaign run by free-market advocacy
groups FreedomWorks and 
Americans For Prosperity, both of which are
closely linked to the Koch 
brothers.
But the Tea Party movement—and Koch family’s obscene wealth—go back
more than half a century, all the way to grandpa Fredrick C. Koch,
one 
of the founding members of the far-rightwing John Birch Society
which 
was convinced that evil socialism was taking over America
through 
unions, colored people, Jews, homosexuals, the Kennedys and
even 
Dwight D. Eisenhower. 
These days, the Kochs paint themselves as
true-believer Libertarians 
of the Austrian School. Charles Koch, the
elder brother who runs the 
family business in Wichita, Kansas, quotes
the wisdom of proto- 
libertarian “economist” Ludwig von Mises, but
also sees himself as a 
thinker in his own right. In 2007, Charles
made his contribution to 
the body of free-market thought with an
economic theory he calls 
Market-Based Management® (trademark
protected, of course), which he 
lays out in a book titled the Science
of Success. A Forbes reviewer 
seemed a bit disturbed by Charles’
overt socialist leanings, writing 
that the “author professes an
almost Marxist faith in the ‘fixed laws’ 
that ‘govern human well-
being.’” 
David Koch is the highbrow brother who lives in New York. He
ran as 
the Libertarian party candidate for vice-president in 1980 and
says 
that his dream is to “minimize the role of government, to
maximize the 
role of private economy and to maximize personal
freedoms.” Apparently 
everyone’s a free-market enthusiast at Koch
Industries, including 
their spokeswoman, who recently wrote a letter
to the New York Times 
stating that “it’s a historical fact that
economic freedom best 
fosters innovation, environmental protection
and improved quality of 
life in a society.” It might be true
somewhere for someone, but not 
for the Kochs—they owe it all to
socialism and totalitarianism.
Here is a better historical fact, one that the Kochs don’t like to
repeat in public: the family’s initial wealth was not created by the
harsh, creative forces of unfettered capitalism, but by the grace of
the centrally-planned economy of the Soviet Union. This deserves
repeating: The Koch family, America’s biggest pushers of the free-
market Tea Party revolution, would not be the billionaires they are
today were it not for the whim of one of Stalin’s comrades. 
The story
of how the Koch family amassed its socialist wealth starts 
at the
turn of the 20th century with the birth of Fredrick C. Koch. 
Fred was
born in a tiny town in north Texas town to a Dutch immigrant 
and
newspaper publisher. The historical record is not clear about the
family’s wealth, but it appears that great-granddaddy Koch was not
hurting for cash, because Fred Koch turned out to be a smart kid and
was able to study at MIT and graduate with chemical engineering
degree. A few years later, in 1925, Fred started up the Winkler-Koch
Engineering Company with a former classmate, quickly developing and
patenting a novel process to refine gasoline from crude oil that had
a 
highe-yield than anything on the market. It was shaping up to be
an 
American success story, where anything was possible with a bit of
elbow grease and good ol’ ingenuity. 
The sky was the limit—until the
free market rained on Fred’s parade. 
See, Fred was living through the
Roaring Twenties, a time of big 
business, heavy speculation and zero
government regulation. Much like 
today, cartels were free to form and
free to fix—and so they did. 
Sensing a threat to their royalty-
revenue stream from Winkler-Koch’s 
superior refining technology, the
reigning oil cartel moved in to 
teach the young Koch how the laissez-
faire business model worked in 
the real world. 
“[W]hen he tried to
market his invention, the major oil companies sued 
him for patent
infringement. Koch eventually won the lawsuits (after 
15 years in
court), but the controversy made it tough to attract many 
US
customers,” according to Hoover’s Company Records service. Just 
like
that, Winkler-Koch Engineering found itself squeezed out of the
American market. They had a superior product at a cheaper price, but
no one to sell it to. 
Luckily, there was one market where opportunity
beckoned—and 
innovation was rewarded: the Soviet Union. 
Stalin’s
first Five Year Plan was just kicking into action a nation- 
wide
industrialization effort, and the Soviet planners needed smart,
industrious college grads like Fred Koch. The Soviet Union was
desperately trying to increase its oil refining capacity, so oil
engineers were especially in high demand—and well paid, too. 
“We are
the world’s greatest market, and we are prepared to order a 
large
amount of goods and pay for them,” Joseph Stalin told an 
American
journalist in 1932. Stalin wasn’t kidding. From 1926 to 1929, 
the
Soviet oil industry bought $20 million worth of equipment from
America. And Koch was about to get in on the action. 
In 1929, after
hosting a delegation of Soviet planners in Wichita, 
Kansas, Winkler
and Koch signed a $5 million contract to build 15 
refineries in the
Soviet Union. According to Oil of Russia, a Russian 
oil industry
trade magazine, the deal made Winkler–Koch into Comrade 
Stalin’s
Number One refinery builder. It provided equipment and 
oversaw
construction: 
The first Winkler–Koch plants were set up in Tuapse in
1930. The 
cracking unit operated commendably, and would in the future
be the 
type preferred by the heads of the Soviet Union’s petroleum
industry 
when purchasing new cracking equipment. 
In 1931, two
Winkler–Koch cracking units were launched in Baku, 
another two in
Batumi, and six at once in Grozny; the last had a 
combined refining
capacity of 900,000 tons per year. In 1932, a 
Winkler–Koch unit
commenced operations in Yaroslavl. 
At the time, the Soviet Union’s
oil industry was a total mess. 
Equipment built by Western engineering
firms was always breaking down 
or didn’t work at all. Western
engineers were constantly being accused 
of espionage or sabotage,
real or imagined, and booted out of the 
country. Soviet workers
suspected of colluding with the foreigners 
were simply taken out back
and shot. Winkler-Koch made sure they were 
running a tight, effective
operation. Unlike their Western 
competitors, Koch pleased his Soviet
clients by ensuring top quality 
and helping the cause of socialism.
Koch lived up to the slogan: “Work hard enough for Comrade Stalin to
thank you!” 
The Soviet oil planners were delighted with Koch’s
refineries, which 
“operated commendably, and would in the future be
the type preferred 
by the heads of the Soviet Union’s petroleum
industry when purchasing 
new cracking equipment.” The Communists were
so impressed they kept 
giving Winkler-Koch business and regularly
sent Soviet engineers to 
train in Wichita. It was a sign of growing
mutual trust. 
By the time he got out in 1933, Koch earned $500,000,
which was a ton 
of money for a kid fresh out of college. This nut of
money served as 
the foundation for the family’s future wealth, which
Koch no doubt 
started acquiring at rock-bottom prices. After all,
1933 was one of 
the two worst years of the Great Depression—all
assets were priced to 
go at 90% off. In the end, the capitalist-
hating socialists ended up 
treating Koch fairly, way better than the
monopolistic thrashing he 
got from his native land. So you’d think
he’d at least something good 
to say about the Soviet Union when he
got home? 
Nope, not at all. He hated the Commies real bad. But for
some reason 
he kept it to himself until the late 1950s (possibly
because he was 
still doing work for the Soviet Union). Then, after
coming back from a 
trip to the Soviet Union in 1956, he flies off the
handle. According 
to a 1956 AP article, Fred Koch was among eleven
prominent residents 
of Wichita, Kansas, “left for Moscow by plane
today in an effort to 
convince the Russian people that Soviet
propaganda about capitalists 
is untrue.” Sounds like the perfect
cover for a business trip. 
It’s not clear what he was actually doing
there. But whatever the 
outcome—maybe he didn’t get the contract he
was expecting or maybe he 
got swindled out of some investment or
maybe he plain ol’ hated the 
thaw of post-Stalin Russia—Fred Koch
came back a pissed-off anti- 
Communist freak and joined up with the
right-wing Bircher freak show. 
He bankrolled a John Birch Society
chapter in Wichita and attempted to 
open a Bircher bookstore, which
wasn’t too popular and had to close. 
He warned of a massive Communist
conspiracy to take control of 
America, saying that the Reds were
eroding American universities, 
churches, political parties, the media
and every branch of government. 
“Maybe you don’t want to be
controversial by getting mixed up in this 
anti-communist battle,”
Koch said in a speech to a Women’s Republican 
Club in 1961. “But you
won’t be very controversial lying in a ditch 
with a bullet in your
brain.” Strong words for a strong Stalin Queen— 
must’ve rocked the
stockings off the Bircher groupies. 
In 1961, Koch published a
pamphlet called “A Businessman Looks At 
Communism,” in which he
recounted his travels with a “hardcore 
Communist” named Jerome
Livshitz. It was from him Fred Koch had first 
learned about the
commie conspiracy to take over America: 
The government detailed a
little man by the name of Jerome Livshltz to 
go around to our various
installations with me. Livshitz had taken 
part in the revolution of
1905, and had spent twelve years in the 
U.S.A. as a revolutionary,
most of the time in jails…. 
In the months I traveled with him he gave
me a liberal education in 
Communist techniques and methods. He told
me how the Communists were 
going to infiltrate the U.S.A. in the
schools, universities, armed 
forces and to use his words, “Make you
rotten to the core.” I believe 
that due to his American experience he
was one of the original 
architects of the Communist plan of
subversion of the U.S.A. 
My associate and I pulled him from under an
overturned car in Tiflis, 
and he was amazed. “Why did you save my
life?” he said. “We are 
enemies. I would not have saved you. Perhaps
when the turn there, I 
will spare your lives.” He told me that if his
own mother stood in the 
way of the revolution he would strangle her
with his bare hands. This 
is the mark of a hard-core Communist. They
will do anything—anything. 
Fred Koch’s paranoia continued to spiral
out of control until his 
thumper quit in 1967. But by that time his
son, Charles G. Koch, had 
already taken over control of the family
business. He appropriated his 
father’s Communist paranoia and made it
the basis for the family’s 
free-market business philosophy. 
“Once,
my father ran a business in the ex-Soviet Union, and all 
engineers
who worked with my father were imprisoned by Stalin later. 
My father,
who had experienced this, became an anti-communist and 
thought the
value of economical freedom and prosperity was more 
important than
ever before,” Charles said during an interview with a 
Korean
newspaper in 2008, leaving out the part how evil socialist cash 
is
the foundation of the Koch family’s wealth. 
Once he took over, it was
clear that Charles had big plans for Koch 
Industries. He was going to
push the limits of corporate growth by 
plowing 90% of the company’s
profits back into till and diversifying 
to the max. It worked. The
company expanded at an unreal rate: its 
revenues increased from $100
million in 1966 to $100 billion in 2008— 
that’s 1,000-fold growth!
Today, it operates thousands of miles of pipelines in the United
States, refines 800,000 barrels of crude oil daily, it buys and sells
the most asphalt in the nation, is among the top ten cattle
producers, 
and is among the 50 largest landowners. Koch Industries
also plowed 
hundreds of millions of dollars into right-wing
organizations like 
Institute for Humane Studies, the Cato Institute,
the Mercatus Center 
at George Mason University, the Bill of Rights
Institute, the Reason 
Foundation, Citizens for a Sound Economy and
the Federalist Society— 
all of them promoting the usual billionaire-
friendly ideas of the free 
market, deregulation and smaller
government. 
If that expansion looks too fast to be legit, that’s
because it was. 
William Koch, the third brother who had a falling-out
with Charles and 
David back in the ’80s over Charles’ sociopathic
management style, 
appeared on “60 Minutes” in November 2000 to tell
the world that Koch 
Industries was a criminal enterprise: “It was –
was my family company. 
I was out of it,” he says. “But that’s what
appalled me so much… I did 
not want my family, my legacy, my father’s
legacy to be based upon 
organized crime.” 
Charles Koch’s racket was
very simple, explained William. With its 
extensive oil pipe network,
Koch Industries’ role as an oil middleman– 
it buys crude from
someone’s well and sells it to a refinery–makes it 
easy to steal
millions of dollars worth of oil by skimming just a 
little off the
top of each transaction, or what they call “cheating 
measurements” in
the oil trade. According to William, wells located on 
federal and
Native American lands were the prime targets of the Koch 
scam. 
“What
Koch was doing was taking all these measurements and then 
falsifying
them on the run sheets,” said Bill Koch. “If the dipstick 
measured
five feet 10 inches and one half inch, they would write down 
five
feet nine and one half inches.” 
That may not sound like much, but
Bill Koch said it added up. “Well, 
that was the beauty of the scheme.
Because if they’re buying oil from 
50,000 different people, and
they’re stealing two barrels from each 
person. What does that add up
to? One year, their data showed they 
stole a million and a half
barrels of oil.” 
In 1999, William decided to take his brothers down.
He sued Koch 
Industries in civil court under the False Claims Act,
which allows 
whistleblowers to file suit on behalf of the federal
government. 
William Koch accused the company of stealing hundreds of
millions of 
dollars in oil from federal lands. 
The band of brothers
settled the case two years later, with Charles 
agreeing to pay $25
million in penalties to the federal government to 
have the suit
dismissed. It turned out to be a great deal for Charles 
and David,
considering that in the 1980s their “adjustments” allowed 
Koch
Industries to siphon off 300 million gallons of oil without 
paying.
It was pure profit–free money–to the tune of $230 million. 
At the
trial, 50 former Koch gaugers testified against the company, 
some in
video depositions. They said employees even had a term for 
cheating
on the measurements. 
“We in the company referred to it as the Koch
Method because it was a 
system for cheating the producer out of oil,”
said one of the gaugers, 
Mark Wilson. 
Ah, finally! We’ve stumbled
upon the secret to the family’s success! 
At the bottom of it all, the
Koch Method that funds all the 
libertarians is nothing but good old-
fashioned plunder. Or, as Koch 
hero Ludwig von Mises might say, “The
Koch Method is just an unceasing 
sequence of single scams.”

[Lisa Lisa]

On May 15, 1:48 pm, Joe Cooper <nieqezbmv...@tormail.org> wrote:
> Lisa Lisa <sylvanlewi...@gmail.com> wrote in news:be89835e-32a9-40f3-
> 982f-08fa7d525...@y5g2000yqy.googlegroups.com:

>
> > Well OF COURSE they're going to initiate a criminal investigation.
> > They were ready to throw Bill Clinton out for lying about a blow job.
>
> > They're REPUBLICUNTS.  That's why they act the way they do.  DUH!
>
> Another proggie intellectual weighs in with carefully considered and well
> documented facts.

You can't deny that they tried to remove Clinton for purely partisan
reasons. That's because the Republicans put party before country.

> It is not at all surprising that Lisa accepts a lying president as a
> matter of course...if, of course, he's a Democrat.

Meanwhile, Mitch McConnell publicly said that the first order of
business was getting rid of Obama. Party before country!

> I thank Lisa for providing yet another example of rhetorical
> intimidation. "REPUBLICUNTS" indeed.

Yeah, right. You're quaking in your boots.

Meanwhile, back to the topic. Which is how the IRS sometimes acts
like an arm of the Republican party.

Lisa

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 5/15/2013 8:21 PM, Lisa Lisa wrote:
> On May 15, 1:48 pm, Joe Cooper <nieqezbmv...@tormail.org> wrote:
>> Lisa Lisa <sylvanlewi...@gmail.com> wrote in news:be89835e-32a9-40f3-
>> 982f-08fa7d525...@y5g2000yqy.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> Well OF COURSE they're going to initiate a criminal investigation.
>>> They were ready to throw Bill Clinton out for lying about a blow job.
>>
>>> They're REPUBLICUNTS. That's why they act the way they do. DUH!
>>
>> Another proggie intellectual weighs in with carefully considered and well
>> documented facts.
>
> You can't deny that they tried to remove Clinton for purely partisan
> reasons. That's because the Republicans put party before country.
>
>> It is not at all surprising that Lisa accepts a lying president as a
>> matter of course...if, of course, he's a Democrat.
>
> Meanwhile, Mitch McConnell publicly said that the first order of
> business was getting rid of Obama. Party before country!

Clinton was putting his BLOW JOBS ahead of his marriage and the
Nation.... The way to fix that is to relieve him of his
responsibility to the Nation so he can concentrate on his BLOW JOBS.

The Republicans were trying to get Clinton to focus on his priorities
and what he needed to do. He started answering the phone and quit
hiding in the coat closet didn't he?

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*Rumination*
#20 - It's hopeless to argue with the Liberals.... they are some form of
brain damaged situation, like a cross between Autism and Tourette
syndrome, fact and logic are stimuli that can't be processed by their
brains and the resulting frustration causes a Tourette syndrome response
of lies and curse words.

[Joe Cooper]

Lisa Lisa <sylvan...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d21a40f8-887f-4ccf-aa92-
08935b...@g9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:

> You can't deny that they tried to remove Clinton for purely partisan
> reasons. That's because the Republicans put party before country.

They wanted Clinton removed because, just like his wife, he LIED UNDER
OATH.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but dem's da facts.

[Clave]

"Joe Cooper" <nieqez...@tormail.org> wrote in message
news:XnsA1C2BC5462...@78.46.70.116...

> Lisa Lisa <sylvan...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d21a40f8-887f-4ccf-aa92-
> 08935b...@g9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>
>> You can't deny that they tried to remove Clinton for purely partisan
>> reasons. That's because the Republicans put party before country.
>
> They wanted Clinton removed because, just like his wife, he LIED UNDER
> OATH.

Good lord, leave some kool-aid for the other batshit wingnuts.

Jim