Covert Nationalization
global player
>Free trade has nothing to do with the globalization of the work
force. Free
>trade is the trade of GOODS between nations, not the trade of PEOPLE
between
>nations. And, contrary to the chant of the globalist toadies, we do
have
>nations! Each nation is separate and has it's own work force.
Hey whitie to you trade was good when slavery was practiced, wasnt it.
To you goods at one time also included humans.
There were many european nations that existed before you albinos
showed up here. Go back there.
When humans did not want to voluntarily move accross continents,
you forced them to do so. They had no economic incentive to become
unpaid plantation workers, But you still forced this upon them.
Now when humans who have economic incentive to make the journey
want to move, you are crying NATION.
Free trade = free uninhibited global movement of capital and LABOR.
You can place restriction on labor movement, then capital has strong
incentive to go where the labor is cheaper.
(aka outsourcing)
Every time your ancestors needed resources, they would use any means
possible to get them. Since when did the white man care about nations
?
You used slavery when you needed labor.
You overtook countries/continents when you needed resources.
You guys encouraged revolts in countries like panama so that you
can get your canal. california was taken away from mexico.
You have overthrown democraticaly elected governments in the past
like in Iran when they wanted to nation-alize oil industry.
Where was your respect for nations then.
Today the market is fairer than ever before.
I am glad that the indians,chinese(hopefully soon the africans )are
catching up. I want them to take away your job, and then fuck your
grandma in the ass
till her sphincter bursts open.
I wish that they would take some of your dumbass albino laid off IT
workers
and perform medical experiments like injecting syphillis into you to
find cure
for the disease.
Prashan Chinh
What does this have to do with soc.culture.indian ?
Is it some frustration over racism/slavery/immigration/globalization ???
Indians in general just wanna get along well with both
whites and blacks, and wouldn't want to mediate/get involved/take sides
in any past conflicts.
Zalek Bloom
wrote:
>"Joel" <jo...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>Free trade has nothing to do with the globalization of the work force. Free
>>trade is the trade of GOODS between nations, not the trade of PEOPLE between
>>nations. And, contrary to the chant of the globalist toadies, we do have
>>nations! Each nation is separate and has it's own work force.
>
>Hey whitie to you trade was good when slavery was practiced, wasnt it.
>To you goods at one time also included humans.
>There were many european nations that existed before you albinos
>showed up here. Go back there.
Hey - global player,
When slavery was practiced (in the USA, Europe and some African
countries), the trade was not always good - just as today. But we
whities do not have a caste system and "untouchables" that will work
for us. We have to work for ourself. We cannot even burn our wife when
her dowry is too small - we have to work. And this is the reason we
want to keep our work for ourselves.
>
>When humans did not want to voluntarily move accross continents,
>you forced them to do so. They had no economic incentive to become
>unpaid plantation workers, But you still forced this upon them.
>
>Now when humans who have economic incentive to make the journey
>want to move, you are crying NATION.
>
>Free trade = free uninhibited global movement of capital and LABOR.
>You can place restriction on labor movement, then capital has strong
>incentive to go where the labor is cheaper.
>(aka outsourcing)
True - but we also have a voting power. We will try to use it to stop
LABOR movement. And as you see, in the USA some representatives are
trying to stop LABOR movement. In Holland this movement is more
aggresive - they just arrested some illegal workers from India..
>
>Every time your ancestors needed resources, they would use any means
>possible to get them. Since when did the white man care about nations
>?
We whities care about nations a little better than some non-whities:
better than Japanese care about Korean minorities, better than
Chineese care about Tibetian minorities, better that Indians care
about Muslem or "untouchable" minorieties, better that Hutu care about
Tutsi minorities, better than Muslem Arabs care about non-muslem
minorieties.
>You used slavery when you needed labor.
The same way as non-whities used slavery. Unfortunetly we whities do
not have "untouchable" caste or the privilage to burn our wives when a
dowry is too small. My wife thanks God every day that she is not
Indian - becasue if I she was an Indian, I would convert her to a
Hannuka candle ;-------)
>You overtook countries/continents when you needed resources.
>You guys encouraged revolts in countries like panama so that you
>can get your canal. california was taken away from mexico.
>You have overthrown democraticaly elected governments in the past
>like in Iran when they wanted to nation-alize oil industry.
>Where was your respect for nations then.
It is not our fault that non-whities tried to do the same and failed.
Are whities trying take the Kashmir region? Are whities trying take
Tibet? Are whities trying take Kuweit? What is going on in Sri-Lanka?
It looks that non-whities try to copycat whities. So why you are
againt whities only? BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKIN RACIST!!!
>
>
>Today the market is fairer than ever before.
>I am glad that the indians,chinese(hopefully soon the africans )are
>catching up. I want them to take away your job, and then fuck your
>grandma in the ass
>till her sphincter bursts open.
>I wish that they would take some of your dumbass albino laid off IT
>workers
>and perform medical experiments like injecting syphillis into you to
>find cure
>for the disease.
So are you praying for a non-whitie master? Just remember that in some
non-whitie countries the slavery was outlawed less the 50 years ago,
and in non-whitie countries like Sudan or Mauritania, slavery still
does exist. And try to guess when Saudi Arabia, a non-whitie country
abolished slavery? Yes - in 1962 (England in 1833, France 1848, USA in
1865).
Zalek
global player
> Hey - global player,
> When slavery was practiced (in the USA, Europe and some African
> countries), the trade was not always good - just as today.
Trade today is much better. Are you a commie and against trade ?
> But we
> whities do not have a caste system and "untouchables" that will work
Caste system = Class System. Every society has it in 1 form or the
other.
Ever here the terms blue blood/boston brahmin
I am at present,untouchable in many white dominated areas of US
> And this is the reason we
> want to keep our work for ourselves.
Economics is going to force the most economical sol., Weather it comes
from
You or not.
> We whities care about nations a little better than some non-whities:
Your track record for the past 1000 years hasn't been that great,
compared with non whites societies.
> Unfortunetly we whities do
> not have "untouchable" caste
Oh really. Heard of colored/white water fountains in the south.
When were they officialy abolished. You never heard about texaco
chairman
making references to jelly beans.
> So why you are
> againt whities only? BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKIN RACIST!!!
Because In US for the most part they are the ones who were racializing
the globalization and free trade issues.
Not a day goes by when i dont read this ranting online or here that at
work. The whities(more specificaly wasps) are the ones doing this
constantly.
In the end globalization and free trade will make the competitive
individuals better off(not just whites).
A significant portion of the white population is not competitive. They
go on with there banal rants, rather than improve themselves. They
have
benifited in the past because of world domination games played by
their ancestors. They weren't any better intellectualy to be
in the economic positions they hold(held).
> non-whitie countries the slavery was outlawed less the 50 years ago,
In us it was untill the 60's there was an official segragation.
Many non white countries got rid of this policy and other racist
officialy before that, Social changes i know are slower and is and
will be the case globaly.
But socialy i still get harrased in this countries by white police
officers.
> and in non-whitie countries like Sudan or Mauritania, slavery still
> does exist. And try to guess when Saudi Arabia, a non-whitie country
Saudis are caucasian. A lot of arabs look white.
They were playing the same game as europeans with regards to
imperialism.
They did not succeed at that game, like the europeans did.
M. Ranjit Mathews
> hast...@yahoo.com (global player) wrote:
> The same way as non-whities used slavery. Unfortunetly we whities do
> not have "untouchable" caste
... but the number of cases of arson of black churches is astounding.
Touchable but not unburnable?
http://www.brown.edu/Administration/News_Bureau/1995-96/95-171i.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=arson+church+black&btnG=Google+Search
> or the privilage to burn our wives when a
> dowry is too small. My wife thanks God every day that she is not
> Indian - becasue if I she was an Indian, I would convert her to a
> Hannuka candle ;-------)
Not any more likely that your shooting her full of holes. The
incidence of wives being murdered is no higher in India than in the
US. The statistic where India stands out is female infanticide.
global player
> You must be chinese to think that trade is good today. They admit to some 75
> billion deficit with the chinese but I suspect that is much too low. So how
> fair is that? The chinese do not buy anything american unless they have no
> other source.
I am african american. I know that trade is good. It has been good for
me. What do you think of all the motorola and erricson cell phones the
chinese in china are carrying around. A significant amount of IP
used in those cellphones was/is developed in US.
When the chinese business get US $ what can they do with it.
It eventually cycles back. Theres no brenton woods fixed curr
rate any more. Read about what happened to thailand, when they tried
a variation of it. No body wants to hold saudi riyal,
even though outside North America they are the largest oil
exporter, because holding that currency by the foriegn reserve
bank is a loosers deal. Its not going to help you buy anything.
However if us productivity declines(because of morons like U)
then no one would wanna hold us dollars any more, theyll switch
to euro,yen,marks,whatever.
>the chinese know that the United States and China will
>eventually be at war and they do not want to help the enemy.
Aah I see, you are delusional, So you can see the future also.
> >Ever here the terms blue blood/boston brahmin
> >I am at present,untouchable in many white dominated areas of US
> Probably more because you do not have money than if you were in India were you
> would never get out of the untouchable class.
Last year i made $115k. That is not poor. I had a real uphill struggle
to get to this point because I am black. I would have been at this
stage
in my career at least 4 yrs ago, if I had been white. If i had been
chinese
or indian, it might have been easier also because of tribal akinness.
>If you have a billion dollars in the United States, you will fit in
all >society. I would even be your best friend.
If i had a billion $, I wouldnt wanna be friends with delusional
morons.
I would surround my self with the best of best, trying to make my
billions into trillions.
> >Economics is going to force the most economical sol.
>
> True but we are not talking about economics but political agreements. Most of
> the Inida build up was agreements between corporations like GE and Wipro.
Hmm is that political agreement or a business/economic deal.
GE wants to save money, they go to wipro and save $. Did george bush
go
to see jack welch and vajayaapi and hammer this deal out ?
> >Oh really. Heard of colored/white water fountains in the south.
>
> They were something that existed when I was a kid. It is amazing that you
> would mention the poor black people.
Cause untill i was in my late twenties, i was a poor black man.
> towards advancement and now congress puts them back into economic slavery.
How so ? The blacks who are getting hurt econmicaly are the ones who
did
not pursue education. This to me the is greatest personal
disappointment many
blacks are not pursuing higher education.
>
> >> So why you are
> >> againt whities only? BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKIN RACIST!!!
>
> Now the old racist name calling. I saw this one comming.
I did as a response to the on going racism in this group,
and so did your polish friend. Those remarks were by him.
Since when does this group care about PC.
> >Not a day goes by when i dont read this ranting online or here that at
> >work. The whities(more specificaly wasps) are the ones doing this
> >constantly.
> How do you know? I suspect that you are Indian but I have no real way of
> knowing. You could be from Pakistian.
Because I work in SanJose, and my cubicle is accross the dumbass IT
boys.
They really thought that they had conquered the world by learning
how to install windows.
Why do you assume that any one pro globalization is
indian/pakistani/chinese ?
> Not really. It will end up with massive deaths and war. Globalization is
> nothing more than the old colonial system without a king in control.
> Eventually the globalization will split. I suspect it will be the Chinese and
> the United States. It might be over the invasion of India by the chinese army.
> But millions will die. Every major war has had the death count expand. The
> next great war will be no different.
More Delusional mental masturbation.
It was the US trade engagement that stopped india from going to war
with pakistan. The chinese and indian firms are all intertwined thanks
to taiwanese.Tata Consultancy and Wipro Both have chinese offices.
Chinese are
selling there DVD players and vcrs in india.
> There is no reason to improve when the companies are not going to hire you.I
Thats the attitude that has been the hallmark of loosers.
>YOur cries of competition should
> really be changed is you are too expensive.
Yep i really could not understand why 5 yrs ago in my firm
SW developers were getting less than IT department.
We had some braindead IT folks making more than some of our asic
folks.
I saw it then that there would be a huge market correction.
> So your ancestors were dummies but the children of the dummies are smart. Is
> that not contrary to the laws of nature?
They were not dummies but were unfairly subdued by the likes of You.
>
> >They weren't any better intellectualy to be
> >in the economic positions they hold(held).
>
> I do not see many that claim to be better. WHAT WE DO CLAIM is to be EQUAL to
> peope like you.
your previous rambling doesnt suggest so.
>
> >> non-whitie countries the slavery was outlawed less the 50 years ago,
> Actually Slavery was banned in the United states in 1863 in the south and all
> the rest of the nation a few years later.
That statement was made your polish friend.
>
> >officialy before that, Social changes i know are slower and is and
> >will be the case globaly.
> Nay most of the big changes were the result of the recovery of nations that
> were destroyed in WWII.
Bull most of the civil rights in US came into play after WWII, during
the unpopular vietnam era, and the growing threat of communism.
> Man, I hope you go home and soon.
I was born here.
Why dont you go back to europe ?
Zalek Bloom
wrote:
>Zalek Bloom <Zalek...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<kdtndvojlplijs14r...@4ax.com>...
>
>> Hey - global player,
>> When slavery was practiced (in the USA, Europe and some African
>> countries), the trade was not always good - just as today.
>Trade today is much better. Are you a commie and against trade ?
I didn't know that commies were against the trade. Lenin was a great
advocate of trading. He said he is willing to purchase a rope from
capitalists, with the purpose to hang capitalists on.
But I am not a commie. I support a trade if it serves the interest of
American people. And when I say American people - I include all races
- Black, Red, Pink and White.
>
>> But we
>> whities do not have a caste system and "untouchables" that will work
>Caste system = Class System. Every society has it in 1 form or the
>other.
>Ever here the terms blue blood/boston brahmin
>I am at present,untouchable in many white dominated areas of US
>
I think at present you are not "untouchable" - you are just an idiot
that thinks that sending American jobs overseas have to do something
with helping non-whities. If you think that today's situation of
Blacks in the USA is similar to the situation of "untouchables" in
India - it means that you are uneducated moron. US jobs are going not
only to non-whitie countries - they are also going to perfect white
countries like Ireland, Russia or Ukraine. So sending jobs to Ireland,
Russia or Ukraine is racism and sending jobs to India or China is
"progressive"?
>> And this is the reason we
>> want to keep our work for ourselves.
>
>Economics is going to force the most economical sol., Weather it comes
>from
>You or not.
True - but I am writing letters to elected officials, and now TV and
radio stations report this problem. I hope shipping jobs overseas will
stop - for the benefits of all Americans - whities and non-whities.
>
>> We whities care about nations a little better than some non-whities:
>Your track record for the past 1000 years hasn't been that great,
>compared with non whites societies.
Where the hell did you learn history? If you have an average
intelegence - your teacher should be arrested for depriving you of
historical facts. For last 1000 years whities abused colored poeple
more or less the same way as colored poeple abused colored people. The
only difference is that whities are the winners.
Do you think Incas or Aztecs treated subordinate nations better than
Spaniards treated Indians? Do you think Japanise treated Chineese
better then whities? Do you thing Black slave owners treated Black
slaves better than whities did? Find you social studies teacher and
sue him, he deserves it.
>
>> Unfortunetly we whities do
>> not have "untouchable" caste
>
>Oh really. Heard of colored/white water fountains in the south.
>When were they officialy abolished. You never heard about texaco
>chairman
>making references to jelly beans.
What does this prove? This proves that you can find biggots in every
society. Look at this group - one moron here supports taking jobs from
Americans - white and colored - only because he wants to hurt whities
(this idiot does not understand that non-white Americans will loose
jobs too).
But look on the positive side: OJ got away with murder, only because
he is not a whitie. Convicted robber, Rodney King, that was speeding
in Los Angeles and endangering other drivers got millions of dollars
for the beating he got from the police. And a white, Reginald Denny,
was beaten by Blacks and didn't get a penny. But if Reginald Denny was
a colored person he could sue the city, state and could get plenty of
dough as Rodney King did. And if you want to get into a college - you
are getting extra points for non-white skin. So in America sometimes
it is good to be a colored person.
>
>> So why you are
>> againt whities only? BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKIN RACIST!!!
>
>Because In US for the most part they are the ones who were racializing
>the globalization and free trade issues.
This is such BS - we Americans do not care if jobs are going to
colored or white countries. We are talking about OUR LIVELYHOOD. We do
not see any colores - you are the one that puts these "whitie" stuff -
BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKIN RACIST!!!
>In the end globalization and free trade will make the competitive
>individuals better off(not just whites).
At the and (as you want to happen) - all good jobs will leave America
and Americans will suffer - Colored Americans and White Americans. The
only happy people will be unemployed morons like you - and say that
"non-whites" took American jobs. BTW - are you American? Do you care
if Americans have a good jobs?
>A significant portion of the white population is not competitive. They
>go on with there banal rants, rather than improve themselves. They
>have benifited in the past because of world domination games played by
>their ancestors. They weren't any better intellectualy to be
>in the economic positions they hold(held).
Another BS - if what you just wrote is true it applies to WHOLE
America - White and Colored. And jobs are going overseas not because
Americans are not competative - jobs are going overseas because it can
be done cheaper there - by white and non-white foreigners, and because
the big corporations care about money, and not about people.
>> non-whitie countries the slavery was outlawed less the 50 years ago,
>In us it was untill the 60's there was an official segragation.
>Many non white countries got rid of this policy and other racist
>officialy before that, Social changes i know are slower and is and
>will be the case globaly.
IMHO there is a big difference between slavery and segregation. But in
the USA segragation is a history. And if you want to know about todays
segregation - talk to someone in India that belongs to an
"untouchable" caste. Ask someone of Korean descent living in Japan
right now. Ask a Christain Sudanise. Ask people in African countries
that belong to different tribes.
>But socialy i still get harrased in this countries by white police
>officers.
And I got mugged by black people - the first time it happened was when
a black Mayor was elected in NYC. So what? Should we ship black people
to India or China were there is no segragation?
>
>> and in non-whitie countries like Sudan or Mauritania, slavery still
>> does exist. And try to guess when Saudi Arabia, a non-whitie country
>Saudis are caucasian. A lot of arabs look white.
You are confusing Michel Jackson with Saudis. Maybe Michael Jackson is
Caucasian, but Saudis for sure are not. Go and sue your social studies
teacher - may be he was a mean whitie that on purpose hid some facts
from you.
Zalek
Liz
"global player" <hast...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4b6ca1fc.03060...@posting.google.com...
> I am african american.
have you been to Africa? if not, take a trip on over and see just how badly
black people can treat black people
> Last year i made $115k. That is not poor.
no, it's not ... you made more than most people of any color do
> I had a real uphill struggle to get to this point because I am black. I
would have been at this
> stage in my career at least 4 yrs ago, if I had been white.
pure speculation; it wouldn't be hard to make an equally speculative
argument that it would have taken you even longer if you were white; IB is
right about $115k not really being all that much money anymore, but that
said, it remains an uphill battle for most people (individuals) of any race
to get there
not that I expect you to buy it, but black vs. white is passe; focus on rich
vs. everyone else and we might get someplace
> I would surround my self with the best of best, trying to make my
> billions into trillions.
that's just stupid
> How so ? The blacks who are getting hurt econmicaly are the ones who
> did
> not pursue education. This to me the is greatest personal
> disappointment many
> blacks are not pursuing higher education.
if you want to talk in generalities, neither are Hispanics; now whose fault
is any of this ? or were you actually just taking a moment to express your
personal disappointment ?
> Bull most of the civil rights in US came into play after WWII, during
> the unpopular vietnam era, and the growing threat of communism.
Brown vs. Board of Education was decided in 1954, laying the groundwork for
the legislation of the 60s
global player
> US jobs are going not
> only to non-whitie countries - they are also going to perfect white
> countries like Ireland, Russia or Ukraine.
> So sending jobs to Ireland,
> Russia or Ukraine is racism and sending jobs to India or China is
> "progressive"?
Nope my response I chose to be overtly racist against whites
as a response to what was happening in this and othe newsgroup.
You had neo-eugenics morons talking about autism and what
not.
IMHO global trade w/ whites and nonwhites alike is better.
But i get ticked off when US whities start to racialize
issues igoring everything in there backyard.
>
> >> And this is the reason we
> >> want to keep our work for ourselves.
> >
> >Economics is going to force the most economical sol., Weather it comes
> >from
> >You or not.
>
> True - but I am writing letters to elected officials, and now TV and
> radio stations report this problem. I hope shipping jobs overseas will
> stop - for the benefits of all Americans - whities and non-whities.
Good Luck and Keep Writing.
Enjoy your new found SOLIDARITY
I've never been unemployed in my life.
Yes
>
> >A significant portion of the white population is not competitive. They
> >go on with there banal rants, rather than improve themselves. They
> >have benifited in the past because of world domination games played by
> >their ancestors. They weren't any better intellectualy to be
> >in the economic positions they hold(held).
>
> Another BS - if what you just wrote is true it applies to WHOLE
> America - White and Colored. And jobs are going overseas not because
> Americans are not competative - jobs are going overseas because it can
> be done cheaper there - by white and non-white foreigners, and because
> the big corporations care about money, and not about people.
That is what competitive in an economic sense is.
Bang for Buck.
> >> non-whitie countries the slavery was outlawed less the 50 years ago,
>
> >In us it was untill the 60's there was an official segragation.
> >Many non white countries got rid of this policy and other racist
> >officialy before that, Social changes i know are slower and is and
> >will be the case globaly.
>
> IMHO there is a big difference between slavery and segregation. But in
> the USA segragation is a history. And if you want to know about todays
> segregation - talk to someone in India that belongs to an
> "untouchable" caste. Ask someone of Korean descent living in Japan
> right now. Ask a Christain Sudanise. Ask people in African countries
> that belong to different tribes.
Nope the whities should answer these issues in US before
racializing free trade.
>
> >Saudis are caucasian. A lot of arabs look white.
>
> You are confusing Michel Jackson with Saudis. Maybe Michael Jackson is
> Caucasian, but Saudis for sure are not. Go and sue your social studies
> teacher - may be he was a mean whitie that on purpose hid some facts
> from you.
North of IRAN(name derived from ARYAN) is caucus mountain where
the caucasians orignated from. The middle easterners are classified
as caucasians.
global player
> have you been to Africa? if not, take a trip on over and see just how badly
> black people can treat black people
In US the blacks(and native americans) were treated
far worse than many other societies were treating
people in those times. Therefore You should not
bring race into an economic question. And if
you do, then you should answer all the questions
that pertain to your society first.
> > I had a real uphill struggle to get to this point because I am black. I
> would have been at this
> > stage in my career at least 4 yrs ago, if I had been white.
>
> pure speculation; it wouldn't be hard to make an equally speculative
> argument that it would have taken you even longer if you were white; IB is
> right about $115k not really being all that much money anymore, but that
> said, it remains an uphill battle for most people (individuals) of any race
> to get there
Not if you were born in missisippi. This is why i find it absurd
that there is this much brouhaha over IT jobs. The white american
kids who had access to better educational resources should have
trained
themselves for better challanging positions.
> not that I expect you to buy it, but black vs. white is passe; focus on rich
> vs. everyone else and we might get someplace
Your arguement is demented. Who's richer india/china or US ?
So you want us to focus on the common enemy the immigrants.
Such attempts have been done in the past, agianst
the germans in chicago area, against the irish, against
the poles,slavs,etc.
How come have not protested against the absurd neo-eugenic arguements
that keep getting posted ?
Similar arguements were used against the above mentioned
groups in the past. That included everything from being carriers of
diseases, to having low intelligence,or being ugly.
They hold no water, but they do show your bigotry.
Now its funny when i mentioned slavery and black-white issues, you
are basicaly saying, "lets not talk about it, instead lets bash
immigrants"
and others in the group are saying that, "you are better off because
you were enslaved".
You can look for shit in any culture and find it.
But look into your own first.
I personally know indians who are ashamed of caste system.
Mention footbinding to a chinese and he squirms. Mention
Ayatollah to an iranian, and he declares that iranins
really aren't muslims, but the arabs imposed it on them.
Therefore to use those arguements against doing business
with them is absurd. Busineses should focus on bottomline only.
> > I would surround my self with the best of best, trying to make my
> > billions into trillions.
> that's just stupid
That reveals a lot about your assinine thinking. What would you do
surround your self with dumbasses if you had that kind of resources.
> > How so ? The blacks who are getting hurt econmicaly are the ones who
> > did
> > not pursue education. This to me the is greatest personal
> > disappointment many
> > blacks are not pursuing higher education.
>
> if you want to talk in generalities, neither are Hispanics; now whose fault
> is any of this ? or were you actually just taking a moment to express your
> personal disappointment ?
Yes as i already said it is a personal disappointment. This is why
non-white immigration is better for african american community. Higher
education is not seen as acting white by a small (hopefully growing)
number of young blacks.
You guys keep on racializing because you can not figure out a strategy
in a global environment.
The milkmen delivering bottles daily in US lost there jobs with the
advent of supermarket/refrigrators.
They did not go out business in England where they started providing
other goods and services to keep up with the paradigm change.
The same goes for your whiny ass. Figure out something that creates
real
economic value, and you will thrive or keep whining and you will
eventually
perish(you may be able to delay it, but you'll painfully decay)
global player
> The difference is some of us will have enjoyed the journey the we call life.
Yep i can see how you enjoy it broken insurance salesman.
You keep whining, bitching and moaning daily, that itself has become
enjoyable to you. Keep biching for the rest of your journey.
I am glad i am not taking this journey with you, I feel sorry for
your family.
Zalek Bloom
wrote:
>"Liz" <l...@tiredofspam.com> wrote in message news:<5dcDa.1151213$uT2.1...@news.easynews.com>...
>
>> have you been to Africa? if not, take a trip on over and see just how badly
>> black people can treat black people
>In US the blacks(and native americans) were treated
>far worse than many other societies were treating
>people in those times. Therefore You should not
>bring race into an economic question. And if
>you do, then you should answer all the questions
>that pertain to your society first.
And who is talking about race, slavery and segregation? You brought
this crap. BECAUSE YOU ARE RACIST!!!
We Americans are concern that our jobs are moving overseas - and we
don't care our jobs are taken but white or colored people - we care
about JOBS!!!
And you, American citizen, do not care if your fellow citizens will
have a job - you just want us to suffer, because we are "whities". And
you are to stupid to understand that Blacks will suffer to.
What a bigot you are!
>Not if you were born in missisippi. This is why i find it absurd
>that there is this much brouhaha over IT jobs. The white american
>kids who had access to better educational resources should have
>trained
>themselves for better challanging positions.
Come to NYC and you will see Blacks working in IT. And if jobs will
move to India or Russia - they will loose work too.
Zalek
Unknown
wrote:
>Zalek Bloom <Zalek...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<kdtndvojlplijs14r...@4ax.com>...
>
>> Unfortunetly we whities do
>> not have "untouchable" caste
>
>Oh really. Heard of colored/white water fountains in the south.
Yup. In the history books.
>When were they officialy abolished.
Over 40 years ago.
>You never heard about texaco
>chairman
>making references to jelly beans.
No, but I saw Danny Glover doing an MCI commercial surrounded by
*thousands* of jelly beans. Does this make *him* a racist?
Put the bottle down for a while, yer not making any sense here.
>> non-whitie countries the slavery was outlawed less the 50 years ago,
>
>In us it was untill the 60's there was an official segragation.
>Many non white countries got rid of this policy and other racist
>officialy before that, Social changes i know are slower and is and
>will be the case globaly.
In Brazil (where pure whites are in the minority), slavery was still
legal until near the end of the 19th century, long after it was banned
here in the US.
>But socialy i still get harrased in this countries by white police
>officers.
Well, stop speeding then.
>> and in non-whitie countries like Sudan or Mauritania, slavery still
>> does exist. And try to guess when Saudi Arabia, a non-whitie country
>Saudis are caucasian.
Nope. They're Arabic. And tan, not white.
>A lot of arabs look white.
A few are light-skinned Arabs. Most aren't. Have a look at the Saudi
ambassador to the US. He looks like a dead ringer for James Earl
Jones. Look the Egyptian President Mubarek, he is clearly not a
Caucasian. Even better, look at pictures of his predecessor, Anwar
Sadat. Could have passed for an ordinary Afro-American man.
>They were playing the same game as europeans with regards to
>imperialism.
And the same game regards to slavery.
>They did not succeed at that game, like the europeans did.
Wrong. Some succeeded quite a bit.
Ang
Liz
global,
I'm not going to go through this point by point because I don't think you
paid much real attention to what I said ... I do agree that it's a good
thing that a growing number of young blacks do not see higher education as
"acting white" ... but much of what they are recovering from can be traced
directly to Malcolm X (although I suspect Malcolm probably did some good for
blacks as well) ... but I think you are missing the larger point, which is
that higher education for ANY group is not going to mean much if there are
not sufficient numbers of jobs which put that knowledge to use; we're headed
in the wrong direction on that one
"global player" <hast...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4b6ca1fc.0306...@posting.google.com...
Liz
>
>
> > The difference is some of us will have enjoyed the journey the we call
life.
>
> Yep i can see how you enjoy it broken insurance salesman.
> You keep whining, bitching and moaning daily, that itself has become
> enjoyable to you. Keep biching for the rest of your journey.
you do a pretty fair job of whining, moaning and otherwise indulging
yourself in self-sorry crap yourself ...
global player
> this crap. BECAUSE YOU ARE RACIST!!!
the
issue. global economics is one matter, but racializing is another.
> We Americans are concern that our jobs are moving overseas - and we
You should be, But with the global economies you and i have no choice
but to engineer economical solutions to the proble.
Now in my case if If my companies next asic is desiging only for US
market.
We can at best sell 50,000 asic next year. That would mean to make the
same profit as 2 yrs ago we have to charge $800/chip. (This is when
using a taiwanese foundary). With these kind of prices we cant sell to
any one in US.
Let alone Asia.
> don't care our jobs are taken but white or colored people - we care
> about JOBS!!!
Sell it to some one who was born yesterday. Race is involved. You guys
never protested any posted by madame bowery horse shit.
> And you, American citizen, do not care if your fellow citizens will
> have a job - you just want us to suffer, because we are "whities". And
> you are to stupid to understand that Blacks will suffer to.
> What a bigot you are!
Blacks are suffering. There is no blacks in my firms asic divsion.
> Come to NYC and you will see Blacks working in IT. And if jobs will
> move to India or Russia - they will loose work too.
IT is going to go india/russia/china/burkina faso regardless of how
much you
scream cause it is not specialized enough. Other countries are far
more
adept at churning out labor intensive products.
leslie
: In US the blacks(and native americans) were treated far worse than
Some native Americans owned black slaves:
http://www.coax.net/people/lwf/slave_rv.htm
CHEROKEE SLAVE REVOLT OF 1842
"Black slavery in America usually evokes images of the antebellum
South, but few realize that members of the Five Civilized Tribes--the
Cherokees, Choctaws, Chickasaws, Creeks, and Seminoles--in Indian
Territory, today's Oklahoma, also had slaves. Like their counterparts
in the South, Indian slaveholders feared slave revolts. Those fears
came true in 1842 when slaves in the Cherokee Nation made a daring
dash for freedom..."
That's why there was a large black population in Northeast Oklahoma.
News Poster
> Come to NYC and you will see Blacks working in IT. And if jobs will
> move to India or Russia - they will loose work too.
>
> Zalek
You don't fuckin fool the world by playing, "I am good white man
concerned that the blacks will lose their jobs to Indians and
Russians". Racists fucks like you with a hanukka candle stuck up your
ass, think all white collared jobs belong to you. They don't. Don't
expect the citizens of the world outside of the US to give a shit
about your unemployment or lowered wages or your jobs being outsourced
just like you won't for anyone else.
I hope the Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Africans and just about
everyone else gets scraps of what is left of the defunct IT market in
the years to come. If someone in the third world does IT for a
programming for 20 bucks an hour, that is probably what it is worth in
the first place. You computer programmers got fattened by $100/hr wage
of the late 90's and thought the skills like Powerbuilder and Visual
Basic and what not was worth that much ..
As long as the combs are the soap boxes were made in China and walmart
was selling em' for 50 cents, you Yanks thought you were playing the
sugar daddy to the third world ... Now that the Chinese and Indians
are spanking your ass, you cry foul !
global player
LIAR Broke insurance Boy.
You arent going to stop. You cant help yourself.
Its become an obsession with you. You are going to post more stuff on
this thread, and group.
You obsess about this all day long. You walk around and think about
immigration,indians,chinese,koreans,mexicans,nafta,free trade
agreement
with singapore.
>One last thing, when you call me a broke insurance salesman, you do
not hurt >my feelings.
Then why did you write this. Why did you explain what you do ? ...that
you are retired.
It wasnt relevant to any thing being discussed.
It irritated you. It got under your skin.
Broke insurance SalesBoy. You cant help but get irritated.
You'd think about the trip you made to bangkok, and the indian and
chinese faces you saw there. Every black man you see, you'd be tempted
to ask his
opinion on slavery/immigration and who he hates more whites or asians.
You will post more articles on this thread broke insurance boy. Cause
it
is irritating you.
you wanna type Bullshit as you say it in your head.
You wanna type fuck off as you say it in your head.
You'd have delusional fantasy of the world going to war. You'd hope
that there's war between india and china?
You'd start fantasizing about a war between india and pakistan.
You'd dream about bush giving a speach declaring he is banning all
immigration
and pulling the plug on nafta due to this war.
You'd think of all the countainers full of shipment coming in from
china
and squirm. You'll wince every time you see something that said made
in china.
You'd imagine immigrant coders sitting infront of computers.
Your mind just wont let you get rid of this.
That mcgreevy he was courting indians. Torricelli was involved with
chang.
Theese people have bribed the politicians. What are you going to do
broke insurance boy ?
Youll think of princeton and get pissed that so many asians are there.
you'll pick up your keyboard to check where it is made. Youll check
the
monitor. You'll check the mouse. You'd be pissed Boy You'd be pissed.
and you'll continue to post. Because its a release. You feel good
after you
posted something, even if it had bad grammar and typos. You read it
over and over again.
You may think what the hell may be i'll not post for a day. But it'll
be
in the back of your mind, It'll bother you till you post another one
of your banal incessant delusional rants.
global player
> you do a pretty fair job of whining, moaning and otherwise indulging
> yourself in self-sorry crap yourself ...
compare the frequency of my bitching with broken insurance boy's
His is in a different band altogether.
global player
> global,
>
> I'm not going to go through this point by point because I don't think you
> paid much real attention to what I said ...
>I do agree that it's a good
> thing that a growing number of young blacks do not see higher education as
> "acting white" ... but much of what they are recovering from can be traced
> directly to Malcolm X
For a very small %age that may be true. But malcom X was not the cause
but the symptom of the state.
>(although I suspect Malcolm probably did some good for
> blacks as well)
Not fully sure, But he got attention and discussion started.
>... but I think you are missing the larger point, which is
> that higher education for ANY group is not going to mean much if there are
> not sufficient numbers of jobs which put that knowledge to use; we're headed
> in the wrong direction on that one
IT is not higher education.
With real education comes real confidence because there is a real
mastery of subject matter. That is why IT workers have no confidence.
That ties into the oft abused selfesteem.That goes beyond markets
going up or down. Globalization is here to stay.
Similar brouhaha was going on in the 80's also except at that time
it was the japanese who were being demonized.
So what happened. Those who chose competion became competent(even
those who lost), rest became lethargic and signed there own wills
global player
> global player (hast...@yahoo.com) wrote:
> : In US the blacks(and native americans) were treated far worse than
> : many other societies were treating people in those times.
> :
>
> Some native Americans owned black slaves:
>
> http://www.coax.net/people/lwf/slave_rv.htm
> CHEROKEE SLAVE REVOLT OF 1842
Why were the blacks in north america in the first place ?
So this is your justification, same as what every one
else that has been saying, "well we werent the only ones".
To me what is interesting that so far no body else has
criticized american past.
This is why I want more black,brown and yellow immigration into US
along with more globalization.
Incidently now they are the ones who want to VOLUNTARILY come to US,
UNLIKE my ancestors.
The white socio ec. standing suffers(particularly for
the lazy whites.)
The blacks see nonwhites making it in US and get enthused about it,
and become more engaged in higher education, and entreprenuership.
Globaly hopefully countries like ghana and south africa improve
their standard of living. This gives the african american community
an extra boost.
For the harder working competitve americans globalization means larger
market for their products/services. That has been the case with
many valley firms including both my current and former employer.
globalizaion is benificiary to colored folks worldwide.
They raise their standard of living.
The competitive US folks raise their standard of living.
The lazy folks here reduce theirs.
As egalitarain as it can get.
Every black person should oppose antiglobalization weather it
comes from AFL-CIO to the pseudo-tech (IT) workers .
Africans at present can produce the cheapest textile,
and they should be allowed to. This is how asian tiger economies
got started. Africans can produce some of the cheapest(economical
)crops, and they should be allowed to trade.
US imports most of its textiles.
There are trade barriers in place fixing what % of textiles
can come from what countries. The sole purpose of this
is to keep subsaharan african countries out.
They can provide the most economic textiles, and increase
their living standards. This is what every african american
should be protesting.
leslie
: LES...@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) wrote in message
: > global player (hast...@yahoo.com) wrote:
: > : In US the blacks(and native americans) were treated far worse than
: > : many other societies were treating people in those times.
: > :
: >
: > Some native Americans owned black slaves:
: >
: > http://www.coax.net/people/lwf/slave_rv.htm
: > CHEROKEE SLAVE REVOLT OF 1842
:
: Why were the blacks in north america in the first place ?
Because of European slave traders who bought them from black slave
merchants in Africa.
: So this is your justification, same as what every one
: else that has been saying, "well we werent the only ones".
I'm NOT justifying anything, just providing an example of slavery
most people are unaware of.
: To me what is interesting that so far no body else has criticized
: american past.
Would you like to discuss:
o the 1921 Tulsa race riot,
o the concentrations camps Japanese-Americans were incarcerated in
during WW II. Japanese-Americans were drafted into the U.S. armed
forces, and served with distinction; e.g. the 442nd Regimental
Combat Team.
o the H-1B visa holders discovered in near-slavery in Tulsa:
http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/5747
TOMPAINE.com - Tulsa: The American Dream Turned Nightmare
"Tulsa: The American Dream Turned Nightmare
Indian Workers Allege Abuse By Oklahoma Company..."
A typical example of the INS' lack of monitoring and enforcement
of the H-1B visa laws.
There's enough wrong in the present; e.g. workers literally worked to
death in Communist China:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8254-2002May12.html
Worked Till They Drop (washingtonpost.com)
"SONGGANG, China -- On the night she died, Li Chunmei must have been
exhausted..."
Li Chunmei was just another example of slavery, as are all citizens of
dictatorships, which U.S. corporations prefer to democracies:
http://www.globalexchange.org/economy/econ101/survey.html
: Globalization Survey Reveals U.S. Corporations Prefer Dictatorships
:
: This is why I want more black,brown and yellow immigration into US
: along with more globalization.
You're getting your wishes.
But the type of globalism that's going on only increases the wealth
of the world's elite.
: Incidently now they are the ones who want to VOLUNTARILY come to US,
: UNLIKE my ancestors.
:
--Jerry Leslie (my opinions are strictly my own)
Note: les...@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email
global player
> : This is why I want more black,brown and yellow immigration into US
> : along with more globalization.
>
> You're getting your wishes.
> But the type of globalism that's going on only increases the wealth
> of the world's elite.
Wrong. The asian industrial worker benifits. If africans
are allowed to trade in textiles and food crop. They will benifit
too. The data entry worker in ghana benifits, and their economies
benifit.
Did you watch commanding heights on pbs. The representative
from ghana to WTO said that opening free trade has made more difference
in the econ. in 1 yr than 10 yr of aid money.
Outside the US/Europe far more colored folks benifit. This
is simply great from my perspective.
It means that the knowledge worker has to work harder than before.
Because this is the only item being produced.
Youll have to transform your self, if you want to survive.
for the sake of arguement i'll say that h1b is indentured labor.
It still is better than slavery, and the h1b worker has more skill
than a peasent(not by a lot but you dont need that much for IT) and
is better off than a peasents when set free.
global player
They should compete and stay rich , if they can.
If they can't they dont deserve it.
They simply got lucky by being born to whities.
> BTW how much money do you send to India each paycheck?
None to india.
How much do you send to ireland ?
But i am an investor in a data entry outfit in ghana. I am exploring
burkina faso as another option.
> BTW h1-b are not the tired, nor the poor, they are
> hadly the huddled masses.
Your pervious posts called them coolies. Coolies are peasents/poor and
tired.
So let me give you another proposition. Lets bring in the huddled
uneducated
masses from china india and africa.
Would that make you happy ?
>
> >I dont see this as an exploitation. No one is sticking a gun to a IT
> >person in india china russia. No one is capturing them and bringing
> >them to a strange land and forcing them to do labor under the threat
> >of voilence. These deals are as fair as they have ever been.
>
> You are missing the point that they come here by a law that the corporations
> bribed to get into place. That law was intended to fill jobs that could not > be filled by the existing skills of Americans.
No the salaries would have gone through the roof earlier.
Its purpose was to keep salaries down.
All the dotbombs were saying that just cause you do the same old
things
through a webbrowser, you are doing something revolutionary. Every one
bought it. And it didn't work out.
There was another reason it was to keep real technology and sw
professionals from becoming involved in IT.
Because every clown w/ CNE was making more than real engineers.
The engineers started to move into those jobs.
The corps. knew that some thing needs to be done to retain the lid on
the job salaries.
> That was never the cases. I
> have not observed any special talent in the chinese nor the Indians. Both
> countries
That is true to a big extent. The indians and chinese cant take real
tech jobs
that easily.But the IT type jobs are on the bottom end of skilled
labor,
and that should go to who ever is willing to do it cheaply.
But there are a lot of bright individuals from India and china.
Those individuals have good of a chance to compete against any one
in the world. This is the truely awesome part.
> I have no idea what your background happens to be. I doubt what you post
> completely. YOu might find this amazing but you do not sound like any black
> woman that I have even known.
I do find it amazing. I am a black man. Funny ha so know you can hear
my voice boy. You've really gone delusional now that you'r hearing
things along
with your visions of the future US vs China war and china vs India
war.
> I suspect that you acquired your background to post your silly bullshit.
I think you recently acquired your nice pension background to post
shit broke insurance boy.
You are a whiny ranting looser BOY. Compete boy compete, You'll never
be a man without competion.
Zalek Bloom
>>
>> Come to NYC and you will see Blacks working in IT. And if jobs will
>> move to India or Russia - they will loose work too.
>>
>> Zalek
>
>
>You don't fuckin fool the world by playing, "I am good white man
>concerned that the blacks will lose their jobs to Indians and
>Russians".
Hey moron,
I am not playing "good white man" - I was explaining to a fellow
American that by moving jobs to other countries, blacks will loose
jobs too. This idiot (claimed to be black) was very happy that colored
people are getting American jobs. First of all I care about Americans,
and I don't care if our jobs are going to white or colored people.
> Racists fucks like you with a hanukka candle stuck up your
>ass, think all white collared jobs belong to you. They don't. Don't
>expect the citizens of the world outside of the US to give a shit
>about your unemployment or lowered wages or your jobs being outsourced
>just like you won't for anyone else.
I don't expect non-Americans to care about American jobs - I try to
convince Americans to bug our elected officials to stop this exodus.
And I don't give a damn if this makes you happy or sad.
>
>I hope the Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Africans and just about
>everyone else gets scraps of what is left of the defunct IT market in
>the years to come.
I wonder why you are so pro-Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese, African and
so anti American. Is it possible that you are sure that you father was
not American, but you are not sure if he was Indian, Chinese,
Vietnamese or African?
Or maybe you are a CEO of an American company that is in the USAand is
obligated to follow our rules like to pay for health insurance, no
discrimination or sexual harassment, so you prefer countries like
India or China where workers are nor allowed to unionize, do not have
to pay for health insurance and treat woman in your company like a
private bordello?
In this case I understand why you are so happy.
>If someone in the third world does IT for a
>programming for 20 bucks an hour, that is probably what it is worth in
>the first place. You computer programmers got fattened by $100/hr wage
>of the late 90's and thought the skills like Powerbuilder and Visual
>Basic and what not was worth that much ..
He, he, he - jealous about our standard of living? You should be. Yes
- it was nice getting $100/hour, and I hope those times will return.
>
>As long as the combs are the soap boxes were made in China and walmart
>was selling em' for 50 cents, you Yanks thought you were playing the
>sugar daddy to the third world ... Now that the Chinese and Indians
>are spanking your ass, you cry foul !
Yes - we are crying foul. America is the strongest country in the
world and can easily survive without globalization. The question is
who will win - American workers or CEOs that are looking for a country
where workers are not allowed to unionize, where they don't have to
pay health insurance or overtime, and a working woman (or man -
depending on their taste) can be treated like a personal property.
And this is THE reason CEOs are moving jobs from America - not only IT
jobs, but also accounting, architecture, engineering, telemarketing
and more.
Zalek
Tom Shelly, Legendary White God
wrote:
>They should compete and stay rich , if they can.
>If they can't they dont deserve it.
>They simply got lucky by being born to whities.
Bullshit!
I'm rich by most people's standards yet I did it all on my own. I
stepped off the bus in downtown L.A. with $5 and made it without
whinning, government loans, or ripping anybody off because I worked my
ass off more than you could even imagine.
Now, you want to take my money away and give it to people who sit on
their ass and complain?
No way.
Tom Shelly, White God
Crash Street Kidd
As a compromise you can just send it all to me.
Crash Street Kidd
Sigmund
>>
>>You don't fuckin fool the world by playing, "I am good white man
>>concerned that the blacks will lose their jobs to Indians and
>>Russians".
>
> Hey moron,
>
> I am not playing "good white man" - I was explaining to a fellow
> American that by moving jobs to other countries, blacks will loose
> jobs too. This idiot (claimed to be black) was very happy that colored
> people are getting American jobs. First of all I care about Americans,
> and I don't care if our jobs are going to white or colored people.
>
I aknowledge your good intentions, but at the end of the road the two
positions amount to the same thing. They hail the creation of jobs
inside of a group of interest be it "america" "india" "blacks" or
"whites" instead of inside another. "beggars war" is a name for that.
As long as a job is created there is nothing great about it be in
america or in india, and there is nothing special about it be for a
blyck or for a white.
The only sane measure of the best place for a job to be is where it can
have the best overall (world) macroeconomical effect.
bye
Sigmund
"In the internet nobody knows that you are a dog" (Larson cartoon)
michael douglas
> the same country that they lived.
Wouldnt that be ireland.
>They just moved or were moved within the
without them knowing. They suddenly appeared in americas.
> to new york.. So why do you object to my past family moving within the
> kingdom?
> BTW my irish did not move.
So you are saying that they didn't move.
They are still in ireland.
Insurance Broker is a liar. He lied about irish not moving.
He also lied about irish involvement in slavery.
Liar Liar pants on Fire.
Heres some fact about the irish being slave
owners.
malcom X and Davis participate in chivalric styles that resonate
throughout Western civilization--and African-American culture.
According to Robert Stone, historian Fox Butterfield advances
the thesis that "the black population of the antebellum South,
while violently subject to the Scotch-Irish slave owners
source http://social.chass.ncsu.edu/jouvert/v2i1/Clarke.htm
There were also Irish slave-owners both in the USA and the Caribbean.
The descendants of their slaves bear Irish surnames today.
source human.ntu.ac.uk/im/docs/SteveGarner.doc
I am the descendant of African slaves, Native Americans
and English, German and Irish Slave owners their ancestors
came over shortly after the Mayflower and migrated to the
South
source http://alicefluegge.com/abfluegge.html
Dancing of Irish slave owners is mocked by slaves
- leads to beginnings of tap dancing
This is the worst insult to you Mr. global player.
Please Mr Global Player dont let insurance brokers
grandma get away. Burst her sphincter open, and
while your at it do it to his mother and daughter also.
Dont worry about his as it is already burst, because
he likes to be fucked by horses.
Its burst so bad that the man constantly shits.
And couple that with his alcoholic tendencies,
you get a drunk horse fucked constant shitter.
But dont let him get away Mr. Global Player.