Dear netters,
Salam (peace)
You are probably aware of the debate going on between
Ahmadi-Muslims and their non-Ahmadi counterparts, about the pro-
posed newsgroup
SOC.RELIGION.ISLAM.AHMADIYYA
Many non-Ahmadi Muslim sects, who are in a majority are
leaving no stone unturned to collect NO votes against the crea-
tion of this newsgroup. They claim that Ahmadi-Muslims are not
Muslims, since their beliefs include that the Messiah who is
awaited by several non-Muslims and most Muslims, has appeared.
The Ahmadi-Muslims believe that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of
Qadian, India, (1835-1908) is the person still awaited by oth-
ers, and as predicted by former non-Muslim and *Muslim* sources,
is a prophet. Although (non-Ahmadi) Muslims believe that the Mes-
siah who would come back to the world would be a Prophet, they
somehow cannot accept the fact that Hazrat Ahmad could be a pro-
phet. Their opposition has gone on to create a new belief that
to be a Muslim, one has to believe in the "finality of prophet-
hood" of Muhammad (peace be upon him), that no prophet can ever
appear after him, in contradiction with a saying of their own
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) narrated by his wife, Hazrat
Ayesha, according to which: anyone who introduces an innovation
into our faith is not one of us.
I present here a quote from a renowned Muslim Scholar who
founded the Jama'ti Islami, quite widespread in the Indian sub-
continent, who did not consider belief in the "FINALITY OF PRO-
PHETHOOD" to be a prerequisite of belief in Islam. He is the
well known:
(late) MAULANA SYED ABUL 'ALA MAUDOODI
In spite of his opposition to the Ahmadiyya Community
(the establishment of which he lived to see), he did not include
the finality condition in the following statement in which he
unequivocally claimed that belief in Islam needed only the reci-
tal of the Kalima (motto/slogan of belief).
The quote is from "KHUTABAAT", page 53 (Islamic Publica-
tions Limited, 13-E, Shah Alam Market, Lahore (West Pakistan);
Branch 16-Baitul Mukarram, First floor, Dhaka (East Pakistan).
Quote follows, first in Urdu and then translated for English
readers:
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"KALIMA TAYYIBA KAY MA'NEE:
Bradraanay Islam, aap ko ma'loom hai ke insaan daira
Islam mein aik kalima par kar daakhil hota hai; aur wo kalima
bhee kuch bohut ziyada lamba chaura naheen hai, siraf chand lafaz
hain:
LAA ILAAHA ILLALLAHU MUHAMMADUR RASOOLULLAHI
'Allah kay siwa koi khudaa naheen, Muhammad Allah kay
rasool hain'
In alfaaz ko zuban say adaa kartay hee aadmi kuch say
kuch ho jaata hai. Pehlay kaafir tha, ab musalmaan ho gia.
Pehlay naapaak tha, ab paak ho gia. Pehlay khuda kay ghazab kaa
mustahiq tha, ab uss ka piyaara ho gia. Pehlay dozakh main
jaanay waala tha, ab jannat ka darwaaza uss kay liyay khul gia.
Aur baat siraf itnay hee par naheen rehtee. Issee kalimay kee
wajah say aadmi aur aadmi main bara farq ho jaata hai. Jo iss
kalimay kay parnay waalay hain wuh aik ummat hotay hain aur jo
iss say inkaar kartay hain wuh doosree ummat ho jaatay hain.
Baap agar kalima parnay waala hai aur bayta uss say inkaar kartaa
hai to goya baap baap nah raha aur bayta bayta nah raha. Baap
kee jaidaad say uss baytay ko virsah nah milay gaa. Maan aur
behnain tak uss say pardah karnay lagain gee..."
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TRANSLATION (my own words)
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"THE MEANING OF KALIMA TAYYIBA:
Brothers in Islam, you know that a person enters the fold
of Islam by reading (reciting) a kalima. And that kalima is not
a very long one, it is just a few words:
LAA ILAAHA ILLALLAAHU MUHAMMADUR RASOOLULLAHI
'There is no God other than Allah, Muhammad (SAS) is
Allah's Messenger'
As soon as man recites these words by the tongue, he be-
comes totally transformed: Before, he USED TO BE A KAAFIR (DIS-
BELIEVER); NOW HE HAS BECOME A *MUSLIM*; He used to be impure,
now he has become pure; he deserved the wrath of God, now he has
become His loved one; he was hell-bound, now the gate of heaven
is open for him. And the matter does not get settled here. Due
to this very kalima one man becomes very different from another.
Those who recite this kalima are one community and those who do
not believe it become another community. If the father recites
the Kalima and the son rejects it, it is as if the father ceases
to remain the father and the son does not remain the son any
more. That son will not inherit from the wealth of the father.
Even his mother and sisters will veil themselves off from him
(due to estrangement)..."
<<<<<END OF QUOTE>>>>>
Although I do not agree with some of the comments he
made, the point here is that he did not consider belief in the
FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD as a necessary ingredient of belief in
Islam. If he were alive, he might have voted *YES* for S.R.I.A.
(if he had e-mail, of course) :-)
It is interesting that all Ahmadi Muslims believe in the
very same set of words that constitute the Muslim Kalima, and yet,
they are singled out for persecution. It is deplorable that some
Ahmadi Muslims have been imprisoned in Pakistan for wearing on
their chests badges of the Kalima, under the Pakistan Penal Code
amendments in article 298, sections B and C, according to which
an Ahmadi Muslim is liable to imprisonment for three years in ad-
dition to fine if they "pose as Muslims".
Thank you for your attention.
Rasheed A. Khalid,
Boston, Massachusetts.
> MAUDOODI IN FAVOR OF AHMADI MUSLIMS !!!
Maudoodi's position with regards to Ahmadis is clear. He wrote about
them extensively. The above declaration is a reversal of his views. Maudoodi
has repeatedly identified Ahmadis as nonMuslim. He has written books which
explain in detail how he came to this conclusion. He has also written
about Mr. Ahmad's support of British occupation in the subcontinent.
Some people consider honesty an optional part of Islam, as the above quote
illustrates.
> LAA ILAAHA ILLALLAAHU MUHAMMADUR RASOOLULLAHI
>
> 'There is no God other than Allah, Muhammad (SAS) is
>Allah's Messenger'
> As soon as man recites these words by the tongue, he be-
>comes totally transformed: Before, he USED TO BE A KAAFIR (DIS-
>BELIEVER); NOW HE HAS BECOME A *MUSLIM* [...]
> Although I do not agree with some of the comments he
>made, the point here is that he did not consider belief in the
>FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD as a necessary ingredient of belief in
>Islam.
He also did not mention that belief in the Qur'an is necessary. He also did
not mention that salah is necessary. Does that mean that they are optional?
Think before you speak.
> If he were alive, he might have voted *YES* for S.R.I.A.
>(if he had e-mail, of course) :-)
It is truly sad how some people take advantage of his death to twist his
views. May God reward him well for his unrelenting efforts to combat
the distortion of Islam by Ahmadis, Bahais and other followers of recent
Musaylamahs.
Mazen Mokhtar
>....May God reward him well for his unrelenting efforts to combat
>the distortion of Islam by Ahmadis, Bahais and other followers of recent
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^
>Musaylamahs.
I appreciate your respect for the scholar under discussion. May Allah reward
you, in the FUTURE, for making an honest attempt to SEE with your own eyes,
HEAR with your own ears and UNDERSTAND with your own mind prior to subjecting
to judgment those philosophies and peoples about whom you do not have a clear
understanding.
"O SON OF SPIRIT! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn
not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide
in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes
of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge
of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily
justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then
before thine eyes." [Baha'u'llah, The Arabic Hidden Words #2]
Warm regards,
Kamran Hakim
Did Modoodi wrote anything about his American conections?
He was among the first tools of Foster phenomenon.
Did he ever help or accept creation of Pakistan?
Was not he a solid opponent of, one of the remarkable
muslim leader Mohammad Ali Jinnah?
Did not he made every effort (after creation of Pakistan)
to destroy and create "Fasad" in Pakistan?
[Why the hell he had to come to Pakistan which he opposed?
Why he did not stay in India?]
Well on other side Ahmadis did support Pakistan and it
was not a chance that an important post in the cabinet
was given to an ahmadi (by Mohammad Ali Jinnah himself).
I remember only one "Share" of a long nazim by Habib Jalib,
on the death of Modoodi in United State;
"Mara hay pa-uon pay aqa kay rukh kay sir logo
Kahan say a-ay ga ub aysa rahber logo"
I do not care who among YOU are AHMADIS is a "real"
muslim, but please do not distort history.
Mirza Ilyas