Comparing Average GPA's
Brian Bulson
Where can I find a list comparing average GPA's and Standardized test scores
for different universities?
SnappyFish
that is a great question. I think if people actually saw the grades in
different schools they may be reluctant to apply. Few schools actually release
this, and most of them will give a range. MIT's average gpa is around a 2.5,
and they released their grades for many classes online. Check it out.
Snappyfish
Josh LaGrange
Where'd you get that? Is that the average sophomore GPA (the fist
graded year at MIT), or at graduation? It doesn't fit with what I've
heard from recent grads. Wouldn't it be a 3.5 on the 5.0 system,
anyway?
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Josh LaGrange
Columbia Law School
http://www.columbia.edu/~jcl51
Gary Glen Price
> Brian Bulson <bbu...@en.com> wrote:
> Where can I find a list comparing average GPA's and
> Standardized test scores for different universities?
It is unclear whether your interest is in high school GPAs of
entering students or in undergraduate GPAs. If you are
interested in high school grades, most of the annual directories
about colleges and universities (e.g., Barron's, Cass &
Birnbaum's, Peterson's, Princeton Review) report related
information--typically, the percentage of the entering class who
were in the top 10%, top 20%, and so forth of their high school
class. U.S. News & World Report
<http://www4.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/corank.htm> provides
the percentage of the entering class whose grades were in the top
10% of their high school class. If you are interested in college
grades, those are harder to get, but the following news report
sheds indirect light on the matter.
Los Angles Times, July 16, 1997, Home Edition, Metro Section
"Grading the Grades: All A's Are Not Created Equal"
"When applicants to UC Berkeley's Boalt Hall School of Law submit
their college transcripts, their grades are put into a computer
and adjusted according to the table at right."
The UC Berkeley law school had arrived at its GPA adjustments by
comparing the success in law school of students from different
undergraduate origins, relative to their undergraduate GPA and
Law School Admission Test (LSAT) scores. These empirically
calibrated adjustments were designed to compensate for
college-to-college variations in grading. As I understand the
system, colleges whose graduates performed better in law school
than predicted from unadjusted GPA and LSAT were given a
compensating boost in GPA. My recollection is that the largest
upward adjustment to GPA was given to graduates of Swarthmore
College, and the second largest adjustment was given to
University of Chicago. Caltech, also renowned for tough grading,
was not included--presumably because too few Caltech graduates
subsequently entered UC Berkeley's School of Law. This article
can downloaded from the Los Angeles Times archive for $1.50
through <http://www.latimes.com/cgi-bin/archsearch-cgi>.
Berkeleyan, 08/20/97
http://www.urel.berkeley.edu/RETRIEVE,3,1528,10741,0,476,0.srch
"Q: Why does Boalt Hall adjust either up or down the grade point
averages of applicants from certain schools?"
"A: The law school does this to avoid subjective assessments by
individual members of the admissions committee when
evaluating undergraduate achievement. Without such a system, one
reviewer might, for example, give greater weight to an
elite East Coast private school than to a distinguished public
university, and another reviewer might give the schools equal
weight. This practice is not unique to Boalt Hall and is used by
some of Boalt's peer law schools."
Los Angles Times, September 28, 1997, Valley Edition, Metro
Section, Opinion Piece. "UC Admissions Criteria Skewed"
"Berkeley's Boalt Hall Law School's system unfairly favors
students from elite schools over those from state colleges" (by
Melanie Havens, Attorney, Professor, and Chair, Department of
Business Law at California State University-Northridge). This
item can downloaded from the Los Angeles Times archive for $1.50
through <http://www.latimes.com/cgi-bin/archsearch-cgi>.
Daily Californian, 12/02/97
Boalt Law Ends GPA Weighting Practice
Policy result from complaints
(Story by Larry Luong, Daily Cal Staff Writer)
http://www.dailycal.org/archive/12.02.97/news/boalt.html
Gary Glen Price
Department of Curriculum & Instruction
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Gary Glen Price
> Los Angles Times, July 16, 1997, Home Edition, Metro Section
> "Grading the Grades: All A's Are Not Created Equal"
> through <http://www.latimes.com/cgi-bin/archsearch-cgi>.
The URL above doesn't work. Try the one shown below.
http://www.latimes.com/HOME/ARCHIVES/
The story ID number for the story above is 0970063235.
> Los Angles Times, September 28, 1997, Valley Edition, Metro
> Section, Opinion Piece. "UC Admissions Criteria Skewed"
> ... downloaded from the Los Angeles Times archive for $1.50
> through <http://www.latimes.com/cgi-bin/archsearch-cgi>.
The URL above doesn't work. Try the one shown below.
http://www.latimes.com/HOME/ARCHIVES/
The story ID number for the story above is 0970086762.
Gary Glen Price
> Gary Glen Price wrote:
> Los Angles Times, July 16, 1997, Home Edition, Metro Section
> "Grading the Grades: All A's Are Not Created Equal"
> was given to graduates of Swarthmore College, and the second
> largest adjustment was given to University of Chicago.
My recollection above was wrong. I was confusing the information
reported by the Los Angeles Times with similar (but not identical)
information mentioned 1997/04/03 by kr...@crypt.resnet.cornell.edu (Kyle
R. Rose) in a soc.college.admissions posting titled <<Re: Brown vs.
Swarthmore>>. According to the LA Times article, the schools receiving
the largest upward adjustments in GPA from UC Berkeley's Boalt Hall
School of Law were:
(1) Swarthmore
(2) Williams
(3) Duke
(4) Carleton, Colgate
(5) Johns Hopkins
(6) Chicago, Dartmouth, Wesleyan
(7) Harvard
(8) Cornell, Middlebury, Princeton
(9) Bates, MIT
(10) Haverford, Pomona, Virginia
The full text of the 1997/07/16 story can be downloaded from the Los
Angeles Times archive for $1.50 through <
http://www.latimes.com/HOME/ARCHIVES/ >. The story ID number for the
story is 0970063235.
Kyle R. Rose
> My recollection above was wrong. I was confusing the information
> reported by the Los Angeles Times with similar (but not identical)
> information mentioned 1997/04/03 by kr...@crypt.resnet.cornell.edu (Kyle
> R. Rose) in a soc.college.admissions posting titled <<Re: Brown vs.
> Swarthmore>>. According to the LA Times article, the schools receiving
> the largest upward adjustments in GPA from UC Berkeley's Boalt Hall
> School of Law were:
>
> (1) Swarthmore
> (2) Williams
> (3) Duke
> (4) Carleton, Colgate
> (5) Johns Hopkins
> (6) Chicago, Dartmouth, Wesleyan
> (7) Harvard
> (8) Cornell, Middlebury, Princeton
> (9) Bates, MIT
> (10) Haverford, Pomona, Virginia
I'm still lurking... :) The table from Boalt which I posted, for those of you
who can't find it in Dejanews, is given after my signature.
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TABLE FOR GRADE ADJUSTMENT BY RANK OF SCHOOL - BERKELEY SYSTEM
GRADE POINT AVERAGE RANGE:
SCHOOLS 3.86 - 4.0+ 3.70 - 3.85 3.60 - 3.69 3.50 - 3.59 3.49 Below
1. 84.0+ Add .10 Add .125 Add .15 Add .175 Add .20
2. 79.0-83.9 Add .04 Add .06 Add .08 Add .10 Add .12
3. 72.0-78.9 Add 0.0 Add 0.0 Add 0.0 Add 0.0 Add 0.0
4. 67.0-71.9 Minus .04 Minus .06 Minus .08 Minus .10 Minus .12
5. 66.9-Below Minus .10 Minus .125 Minus .15 Minus .175 Minus .20
GRADE ADJUSTMENT RANK FOR SELECTED INSTITUTIONS
Swarthmore 91.1
Chicago 88.1
Harvard 87.1
Williams 86.8
Duke 86.8
Reed 86.3
MIT 86.0
Amherst 85.8
Bryn Mawr 85
William & Mary 85
US Naval Academy 85
US AF Academy 85
Carleton 85
Colgate 85
Wesleyan 84.8
Dartmouth 84.8
Cornell 84.8
Vassar 84.7
Brandeis 84.3
Princeton 84.1
Johns Hopkins 83.3
Yale 83.1
Haverford 83.1
Rochester 82.0
Pennsylvania 81.8
Virginia 81.7
Oberlin 80.7
Tufts 80.2
Occidental 80.2
Washington U. 80.0
Bates 80
Smith 80
Rice 80
Colby 80
Middlebury 80
Bowdoin 80
Wellesley 79.7
Georgetown 79.7
Barnard 79.7
Stanford 79.6
Davis 79.5
Pomona 79.3
Columbia 79.3
Brown 79.3
Notre Dame 78.7
Emory 78.5
Northwestern 78.2
Claremont McKenna 78.0
Michigan 77.0
Illinois 76.5
SUNY Albany 76.2
Colorado College 76.0
Berkeley 76.0
SUNY Binghamton 75.7
San Diego 75.2
Santa Clara 75
Case Western 75
Bucknell 75
SUNY Stonybrook 75
Ohio State 75
Santa Clara 74.8
Florida 74.8
Washington 74.7
George Washington 74.3
Santa Barbara 74.3
Wisconsin 74.2
Boston College 73.8
Texas 73.8
Oregon 73.8
Los Angeles 73.8
Missouri 73.7
Minnesota 73.7
Boston U. 73.3
Colorado 73.3
NYU 72.8
Penn. State 72.3
Irvine 72.0
Michigan State 71.9
Utah 71.3
Brigham Young 70.2
San Diego 70
Pacific 70
New Mexico 70
Kansas 70
Creighton 70
Colorado State 70
Cal Poly, SLO 70
Iowa 70
LSU 70
Hofstra 70
Fordham 70
BYU 70
American U. 70
SUNY Buffalo 69.9
Indiana U. 69.8
Riverside 69.8
Massachusetts 69.3
San Diego State 68.9
Arizona 68.8
Oregon State 68.3
Southern Cal 67.0
Maryland 66.1
Arizona State 65.4
San Jose State 65.3
Cal Poly, Pomona 65
Oklahoma 65
Denver 65
Cincinnati 65
Catholic U. 65
St Mary's (CA) 65
Pepperdine 65
DePaul 65
CCNY 65
Mills 65
Miami 64.6
Hawaii 63.8
San Francisco State 62.8
Loyola Marymount 62.3
San Francisco 58.3