This is regarding the online dictionary of CDAC at http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/mrc/dictionary/index.html. We Swathanthra Malayalam Computing(http://smc.org.in), the developer community for the development of Malayalam language technologies based on Swathanthra software would like develop an offline/desktop dictionary based on Dict protocol(SMC task: http://savannah.nongnu.org/task/?8906). We would like to get the back-end database of the above mentioned online dictionary in public domain or any free software license(like GNU GPL) for the initial work on this. Waiting for a positive reply..
> This is regarding the online dictionary of CDAC at > http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/mrc/dictionary/index.html. We > Swathanthra Malayalam Computing(http://smc.org.in), the developer community > for the development of Malayalam language technologies based on Swathanthra > software would like develop an offline/desktop dictionary based on Dict > protocol(SMC task: http://savannah.nongnu.org/task/?8906). We would like to > get the back-end database of the above mentioned online dictionary in public > domain or any free software license(like GNU GPL) for the initial work on > this.
Dear Santosh,
KSITM released a english malayalam dictionary as part of Malayalam Computing Campaign. It is available to download at http://malayalam.kerala.gov.in/index.php/Dictionary .The software is released under GNU GPL v3. I think the database included is also under the same license as it is part of the software. We can use that database to build further.
> KSITM released a english malayalam dictionary as part of Malayalam > Computing Campaign. It is available to download at > http://malayalam.kerala.gov.in/index.php/Dictionary .The software is > released under GNU GPL v3.
If the database/word-list is under an appropriate license that allows derivative works even, is it possible to look at making available a RPM of it ?
-- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
> > KSITM released a english malayalam dictionary as part of Malayalam > > Computing Campaign. It is available to download at > > http://malayalam.kerala.gov.in/index.php/Dictionary .The software is > > released under GNU GPL v3.
Thanks Vimal. I have checked it, and is almost in the correct format as we need. Seems like a very good option.
> If the database/word-list is under an appropriate license that allows > derivative works even, is it possible to look at making available a > RPM of it ?
Yep, we are working on it. :-)
> -- > You see things; and you say 'Why?'; > But I dream things that never were; > and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
Hi, Could you please respond to this ? We have released the beta version of the dictionary yesterday, using the data from KSITM. But it is not an elaborative dictionary.
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:14 PM, <santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi,
> This is regarding the online dictionary of CDAC at > http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/mrc/dictionary/index.html. We > Swathanthra Malayalam Computing(http://smc.org.in), the developer community > for the development of Malayalam language technologies based on Swathanthra > software would like develop an offline/desktop dictionary based on Dict > protocol(SMC task: http://savannah.nongnu.org/task/?8906). We would like to > get the back-end database of the above mentioned online dictionary in public > domain or any free software license(like GNU GPL) for the initial work on > this.
> Hi,
> Could you please respond to this ?
> We have released the beta version of the dictionary yesterday, using
> the data from KSITM. But it is not an elaborative dictionary.
> -Santhosh
You must be joking Santhosh. I don't think they check their emails every
day.
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:14 PM, <santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > This is regarding the online dictionary of CDAC at
> > http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/mrc/dictionary/index.html. We
> > Swathanthra Malayalam Computing(http://smc.org.in), the developer
> community
> > for the development of Malayalam language technologies based on
> Swathanthra
> > software would like develop an offline/desktop dictionary based on Dict
> > protocol(SMC task: http://savannah.nongnu.org/task/?8906). We would like
> to
> > get the back-end database of the above mentioned online dictionary in
> public
> > domain or any free software license(like GNU GPL) for the initial work on
> > this.
17 January 2009 10:38 PM നു, Kaippally <kaippa...@gmail.com> എഴുതി:
> You must be joking Santhosh. I don't think they check their emails every > day.
Now I seriously doubt who is joking here. Because Santhosh sent a mail to CDAC on 28 December 2008
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[Third and final attempt through mail] I am sad to see the irresponsibility from CDAC. We are not asking to a proprietary software company. We are asking CDAC, an agency supposed to assist the software needs for the people in the state. Can't it at least reply to an e-mail even though we sent it 3 times? By Kerala IT Policy 2007, Clause 8.4, knowledge generated through public funding should be freely available to the public. CDAC is violating that policy.
Thanks Santhosh
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Santhosh Thottingal
<santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > Could you please respond to this ? > We have released the beta version of the dictionary yesterday, using > the data from KSITM. But it is not an elaborative dictionary.
> -Santhosh
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:14 PM, <santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi,
>> This is regarding the online dictionary of CDAC at >> http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/mrc/dictionary/index.html. We >> Swathanthra Malayalam Computing(http://smc.org.in), the developer community >> for the development of Malayalam language technologies based on Swathanthra >> software would like develop an offline/desktop dictionary based on Dict >> protocol(SMC task: http://savannah.nongnu.org/task/?8906). We would like to >> get the back-end database of the above mentioned online dictionary in public >> domain or any free software license(like GNU GPL) for the initial work on >> this.
On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 09:52 +0530, Santhosh Thottingal wrote: > By Kerala IT Policy 2007, Clause 8.4, knowledge generated through > public funding should be freely available to the public. CDAC is > violating that policy.
But CDAC does not come under the state government. So they don't have to follow the government's policy.
V. Sasi Kumar wrote: > On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 09:52 +0530, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
>> By Kerala IT Policy 2007, Clause 8.4, knowledge generated through >> public funding should be freely available to the public. CDAC is >> violating that policy.
> But CDAC does not come under the state government. So they don't have to > follow the government's policy.
Ok, So since CDAC is not responding, any other ways to procede? CDACs database is password protected.(the MS Access database of a VB application, that comes with the CDs that they distribute ) We are trying to avoid duplication of effort. We are ready to give credits to CDAC too The database we have now is very small . -Santhosh
On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 10:30 +0530, Santhosh Thottingal wrote: > We are trying to avoid duplication of effort. We are ready to give > credits to CDAC too > The database we have now is very small .
Can you please tell me exactly what we want from CDAC? Let me make an attempt.
It is in the first mail of this thread. I am copying it here:
Hi,
This is regarding the online dictionary of CDAC at
http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/mrc/dictionary/index.html. We
Swathanthra Malayalam Computing(http://smc.org.in), the developer community
for the development of Malayalam language technologies based on Swathanthra
software would like develop an offline/desktop dictionary based on Dict
protocol(SMC task: http://savannah.nongnu.org/task/?8906). We would like to
get the back-end database of the above mentioned online dictionary in public
domain or any free software license(like GNU GPL) for the initial work on
this.
-- ...if I fought with you, if i fell wounded and allowed no one to learn of my
suffering, if I never turned my back to the enemy: Give me your blessing!
(Nikos Kazantzakis)
V. Sasi Kumar wrote: > On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 10:30 +0530, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
>> We are trying to avoid duplication of effort. We are ready to give >> credits to CDAC too >> The database we have now is very small .
> Can you please tell me exactly what we want from CDAC? Let me make an > attempt.
Sasi sir, Please see this page: http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/mrc/dictionary This database is also distributed in MS Access database format with a Visual basic application in their Malayalam CDs(I am not sure whether both databases are same or not) We are asking the backend database of that in proper license. The Dict database that we prepared now is having around 11K words(eng-mal) and it is small. If we get the back end database of the above mentioned application, we can create eng-mal, mal-eng,mal-mal , and possibly mal-hindi too. We can use it them in our desktops and we can package it for gnu/linux distributions That is our project plan Eventhough we have many dictionaries in printed format, typing a complete dictionary is time consuming and requires lots of effort. Since CDAC already has it in digital format(Not sure Unicode or Ascii font based- that we can convert), we are trying to reuse it. We are ready to give credits to CDAC too.
On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 11:06 +0530, Sebin Jacob wrote: > It is in the first mail of this thread. I am copying it here: > Hi,
> This is regarding the online dictionary of CDAC > at http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/mrc/dictionary/index.html. > We Swathanthra Malayalam Computing(http://smc.org.in), the developer > community for the development of Malayalam language technologies based > on Swathanthra software would like develop an offline/desktop > dictionary based on Dict protocol(SMC > task: http://savannah.nongnu.org/task/?8906). We would like to get the > back-end database of the above mentioned online dictionary in public > domain or any free software license(like GNU GPL) for the initial work > on this.
> Waiting for a positive reply..
Thank you. Let me see if I can talk to them directly on this.
On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 11:06 +0530, Santhosh Thottingal wrote: > Please see this page: http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/mrc/dictionary > This database is also distributed in MS Access database format with a > Visual basic application in their Malayalam CDs(I am not sure whether > both databases are same or not) > We are asking the backend database of that in proper license. > The Dict database that we prepared now is having around 11K > words(eng-mal) and it is small. > If we get the back end database of the above mentioned application, we > can create eng-mal, mal-eng,mal-mal , and possibly mal-hindi too. We can > use it them in our desktops and we can package it for gnu/linux > distributions > That is our project plan > Eventhough we have many dictionaries in printed format, typing a > complete dictionary is time consuming and requires lots of effort. Since > CDAC already has it in digital format(Not sure Unicode or Ascii font > based- that we can convert), we are trying to reuse it. We are ready to > give credits to CDAC too.
Thank you, Santhosh. Let me talk to a couple of people I know there and see if we can get it. No assurance that I will succeed.
> On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 11:06 +0530, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
>> Please see this page: http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/mrc/dictionary >> This database is also distributed in MS Access database format with a >> Visual basic application in their Malayalam CDs(I am not sure whether >> both databases are same or not) >> We are asking the backend database of that in proper license. >> The Dict database that we prepared now is having around 11K >> words(eng-mal) and it is small. >> If we get the back end database of the above mentioned application, we >> can create eng-mal, mal-eng,mal-mal , and possibly mal-hindi too. We can >> use it them in our desktops and we can package it for gnu/linux >> distributions >> That is our project plan >> Eventhough we have many dictionaries in printed format, typing a >> complete dictionary is time consuming and requires lots of effort. Since >> CDAC already has it in digital format(Not sure Unicode or Ascii font >> based- that we can convert), we are trying to reuse it. We are ready to >> give credits to CDAC too.
> Thank you, Santhosh. Let me talk to a couple of people I know there and > see if we can get it. No assurance that I will succeed.
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 11:27 +0530, Jaisen Nedumpala wrote: > Did you succeed in your effort? What is the feed back from C-DAC people?
I got a response from a person (rather senior) I know in CDAC. He says that the question has not even been discussed, apparently because the concerned Head is very busy nowadays. If we go and meet Sulochana, she may tell us the same thing. I was wondering whether it would be useful if we write a formal letter to the Director. They may not ignore letters as easily as they ignore emails. We could also say there that CDAC would appear in poor light if it refused to give us the data, especially when Kerala is promoting Free Software. If we write, we should do it on a letterhead of SMC. What do you think?
I went to CDAC on March 20 to meet Sulochana madam. The meeting was
fruitless, and was pretty disappointing. She said that she might
present the case to the committee at CDAC who decides such things. It
seems CDAC is not going to publish it under any Free Software License
until they see some money coming out of its release. My conclusion
about dictionary : Its not going to happen with CDAC consent. The
maximum we can try is get some government agency to buy it from them
and get them to release it ( IT Mission ? ) - at least thats what
Sulochana madam suggested.
> I went to CDAC on March 20 to meet Sulochana madam. The meeting was > fruitless, and was pretty disappointing. She said that she might > present the case to the committee at CDAC who decides such things. It > seems CDAC is not going to publish it under any Free Software License > until they see some money coming out of its release. My conclusion > about dictionary : Its not going to happen with CDAC consent. The > maximum we can try is get some government agency to buy it from them > and get them to release it ( IT Mission ? ) - at least thats what > Sulochana madam suggested.
Does projects under public funded institutions covered under RTI ? If yes i think we should try that. Otherwise leave it
Dictionary data words and meanings are not copyrighted. But as a collection it have copyright. Someone can manually copy it/ type some data from existing print copy of trilingual dictionary
We are not at all desperate for this database. If we searched we can find enough people willing to share such data bases
what about approaching groups like mashithandu.com for licensing their data collection -- Any responsible politician should be encouraging a home grown Free Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs. Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds.
Does CDAC have developed the malayalam language and meanings ..........
Let them hell with it ........
As Anivar bhai described , there are lots of other people to share it
............
We can find some one like that .......
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Anivar Aravind
<anivar.arav...@gmail.com>wrote:
> 2009/4/9 carbonmonoxide <Aash...@gmail.com>:
> > Hi all,
> > Sorry for the late update,
> > I went to CDAC on March 20 to meet Sulochana madam. The meeting was
> > fruitless, and was pretty disappointing. She said that she might
> > present the case to the committee at CDAC who decides such things. It
> > seems CDAC is not going to publish it under any Free Software License
> > until they see some money coming out of its release. My conclusion
> > about dictionary : Its not going to happen with CDAC consent. The
> > maximum we can try is get some government agency to buy it from them
> > and get them to release it ( IT Mission ? ) - at least thats what
> > Sulochana madam suggested.
> Does projects under public funded institutions covered under RTI ?
> If yes i think we should try that.
> Otherwise leave it
> Dictionary data words and meanings are not copyrighted. But as a
> collection it have copyright. Someone can manually copy it/ type some
> data from existing print copy of trilingual dictionary
> We are not at all desperate for this database. If we searched we can
> find enough people willing to share such data bases
> what about approaching groups like mashithandu.com for licensing their
> data collection
> --
> Any responsible politician should be encouraging a home grown Free
> Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs.
> Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds.
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