Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

[Amadu Massally]

Please see the attached document if the charts are not displayed in the body of the email.

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One of the most cited indicators on corruption is provided by Transparency International. As seen in Figure 7.9, Sierra Leone has been making noticeable improvements in the fight against corruption as indicated in higher recorded ranking by both Transparency International and the World Bank. Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index which measures the perceived levels of public sector corruption in countries worldwide ranked Sierra Leone 123 out of 174 nations. This was a move from a rank of 134 in 2011. Although the score in itself is not exceptional it has however been an improvement from previous years. This improvement in trends for Sierra Leone is confirmed by the World Governance Indicators ‘control of corruption’ index as seen in Figure 7.10.

 

Figure 7.9    Control of Corruption

 

Source: World Governance Indicators 2012

Figure 7.10            Corruption Perception Index Score

Source: Transparency International

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Well, I will act as the spokesperson for all those who vainly seek a forum in [SL] from which to make themselves heard. ~ Thomas Sankara

[Cecil (CJ) John]

Gentlemen,

Are you suggesting that the World Bank in association with Transparency International are wrong and you are right?

I'm just trying to understand.

Warm regards,

CJ

On Jun 19, 2013, at 6:31 PM, "Toegondoe Sagbah" <mende...@yahoo.com> wrote:

How much did Koroma pay for this report?  OUCH!!! How can anyone even allow such report:

1.  When it was during this Koroma era that Salone experienced the most bribing President of all times?

2. When this was the era of Timbergate

3. When this was the era of the Lungi Night Aeroplane Drug flights

4. When this was the period of the Water Quay Cocaine Container

5. When Koroma had burrowed money from an American to use in his election campaign with promise to sell Salone resources.

6. When Koroma refused to pay back the loan of the American business man?

 

This kind of report should be written on a Toilet paper, and you know what to do with it. 

 

            Toegondoe Sagbah, FAT:ISOF

Fighting Against Tribalism : In Search Of Fairness

[Cecil (CJ) John]

So Andrew,

By your logic, would you say there is simply no value in differentiating between whether I stole a dollar from you or a million?

Good morning to you sir!

CJ

On Jun 19, 2013, at 11:31 PM, "Andrew James" <afwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

So we have graduated from being profoundly corrupt to severely corrupt and we believe that is an improvement. This is tantamount to saying that there is big sin and small sin. However, in the sight of God, sin is sin and since corruption is a sin we cannot measure it.  Corruption is simply corruption no matter the extent. How about not being corrupt at all? Can you try that, honorable ministers and civil servants in high positions?
 
My two cent.
 
Andrew 
 

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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:23:41 +0000
Subject: Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

[Cecil (CJ) John]

Good morning honorable TS, it's been a long time. I hope all is well.

I think someone (I don't remember the entire thread) implied that President Koroma "bought" the report. Presumably if the World Bank & Transparency International had not been bribed, the ACCURATE version would have been published.

Warmest regards always,

CJ

On Jun 20, 2013, at 12:20 AM, "Toegondoe Sagbah" <mende...@yahoo.com> wrote:

CJ,

Wo! wo! wo!, man don't put words in my mouth. Where did I suggest that the World Bank is wrong and I am right? I merely asked a simple question and went on to describe how incredible anyone would give credence to such a report. I didn't say anyone was right and I am wrong?

 

OUCH! Yu Nor Go Kam Dae Igain. Me Verbal Nail Go Chook Yu. Ho-hoooo!

 

            Toegondoe Sagbah, FAT:ISOF

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[Jesmed Suma]

I would like to know the reaction of those who are satisfied with the level of corruption in Sierra Leone today to the following article.

Furthermore, SLPW made the recommendations for changes to the current anti-corruption act, after identifying several serious flaws in the act and made the recommendations therein.

http://politicosl.com/2013/06/the-secret-amendment-of-a-sacred-document/

One may say that this Govt has prosecuted more Govt officials for corruption than many of its predecessors. But what good is the prosecution if the very few that are finally prosecuted only have to pay less than 10% of the sum for which they are convicted a $ 10,000.00 fine for stealing $ 100,000.00 without any jail time. In addition to not serving any jail term we see many of them being recycled within the Govt., to head other govt departments. Now as per the link below APC is about to Water down the already weak 2008 Anti-Corruption Act. Also shared is a link to a review of the current Anti-Corruption act in which I picked up several flaws and made recommendations on how those flaws can be fixed. Now instead of fixing the loopholes they now want to water it down. If you are sleeping you better wake up, otherwise you may recognize your beloved country SL in five years. https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?resid=5C68262FC7B3C17%211628,

Jesmed F Suma

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[Lucy Sumner]

Will someone please tell me when corruption is NOT corruption?  Is a woman ever half pregnant? 

Give me break!

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I would like to know the reaction of those who are satisfied with the level of corruption in Sierra Leone today to the following article.

Furthermore, SLPW made the recommendations for changes to the current anti-corruption act, after identifying several serious flaws in the act and made the recommendations therein.

http://politicosl.com/2013/06/the-secret-amendment-of-a-sacred-document/

One may say that this Govt has prosecuted more Govt officials for corruption than many of its predecessors. But what good is the prosecution if the very few that are finally prosecuted only have to pay less than 10% of the sum for which they are convicted a $ 10,000.00 fine for stealing $ 100,000.00 without any jail time. In addition to not serving any jail term we see many of them being recycled within the Govt., to head other govt departments. Now as per the link below APC is about to Water down the already weak 2008 Anti-Corruption Act. Also shared is a link to a review of the current Anti-Corruption act in which I picked up several flaws and made recommendations on how those flaws can be fixed. Now instead of fixing the loopholes they now want to water it down. If you are sleeping you better wake up, otherwise you may recognize your beloved country SL in five years. https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?resid=5C68262FC7B3C17%211628,

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[mustapha sesay]

Jesmed na for be careful oh. U no say the SEA don pass Gag Order. You talk boku, e dae lock u up.

 

Regards,

Mustapha

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Subject: Re: [SLPW] '2634' Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

I would like to know the reaction of those who are satisfied with the level of corruption in Sierra Leone today to the following article.

Furthermore, SLPW made the recommendations for changes to the current anti-corruption act, after identifying several serious flaws in the act and made the recommendations therein.

http://politicosl.com/2013/06/the-secret-amendment-of-a-sacred-document/

One may say that this Govt has prosecuted more Govt officials for corruption than many of its predecessors. But what good is the prosecution if the very few that are finally prosecuted only have to pay less than 10% of the sum for which they are convicted a $ 10,000.00 fine for stealing $ 100,000.00 without any jail time. In addition to not serving any jail term we see many of them being recycled within the Govt., to head other govt departments. Now as per the link below APC is about to Water down the already weak 2008 Anti-Corruption Act. Also shared is a link to a review of the current Anti-Corruption act in which I picked up several flaws and made recommendations on how those flaws can be fixed. Now instead of fixing the loopholes they now want to water it down. If you are sleeping you better wake up, otherwise you may recognize your beloved country SL in five years. http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fskydrive.live.com%2Fredir.aspx%3Fresid%3D5C68262FC7B3C17%25211628&h=QAQGEqAVhAQEtWLknJrRN53dHfE-H_cABmg0oDh30kV5UkA&s=1,

Jesmed F Suma

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On 20 June 2013 08:13, Cecil (CJ) John <c...@virtualdeveloper.com> wrote:

So Andrew,

By your logic, would you say there is simply no value in differentiating between whether I stole a dollar from you or a million?

Good morning to you sir!

CJ

On Jun 19, 2013, at 11:31 PM, "Andrew James" <afwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

So we have graduated from being profoundly corrupt to severely corrupt and we believe that is an improvement. This is tantamount to saying that there is big sin and small sin. However, in the sight of God, sin is sin and since corruption is a sin we cannot measure it.  Corruption is simply corruption no matter the extent. How about not being corrupt at all? Can you try that, honorable ministers and civil servants in high positions?
 
My two cent.
 
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[Jesmed Suma]

Hi everyone,

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On 20 June 2013 17:20, Andrew James <afwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

So true. tief 100 million dem fine u 100 thousand n recycle u in the government. It is a slap in the face of the justice system. The lobbying starts right after indictment. By the time the case gets a hearing the judges already know that the accused is a member of the brotherhood. Sad thing is that these corrupt fellows really think that Salone belongs to them alone.
 
Andrew
 
 

Subject: Re: [SLPW] '2631' Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?
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[Amadu Massally]

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Jesmed Suma <jesme...@slpw.org> wrote:
I would like to know the reaction of those who are satisfied with the level of corruption in Sierra Leone today to the following article.

Well Mr. Suma, I am not sure how that deduction above was made with regard to "satisfied with the level of corruption" as awkward as it sounds in this context.  But the thrust of my email, as CJ expertly noted in one of his postings, is that while we are not perfect (and probably never will be), we are indeed making strides in the minimization of corruption in our country as these scores from these objective and hopefully relatively credible organizations, inform.

So this is not about being satisfied or not my brother, it is about identifying and illustrating relative progress.  And we have got a long way to go.  But clearly that is not a bad thing now, or is it?

I hope people can go to the article and read it for what it is worth.

Cheers,

Amadu Massally

[Amadu Massally]

Do you have any specific examples of such scenarios after indictment?

Regards,

Amadu Massally

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Andrew James <afwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

So true. tief 100 million dem fine u 100 thousand n recycle u in the government. It is a slap in the face of the justice system. The lobbying starts right after indictment. By the time the case gets a hearing the judges already know that the accused is a member of the brotherhood. Sad thing is that these corrupt fellows really think that Salone belongs to them alone.
 
Andrew
 
 

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[Amadu Massally]

Mr. James, we are not in disagreement in that regard that perpetrators of corruption be punished.  And I used to say the same thing you are talking about now re: zero tolerance.  It is easier said than done.  Has governmental "grand" corruption lessened in the country is a question that I am interested in? 

Ambassador Leigh has given us a view that I may want to subscribe to; that "petite" corruption may still be rampant, but "grand" corruption has dwindled somewhat.  He may be using the "Ball Yeye Barometer" but that is being backed up by the scores reflected in the assessments of these institutions that I have shared. 

I am in no way oblivious to the endemic corruption in almost every fabric of our society, but it is not necessarily always a governmental thing as is quickly bundled, but more so on an individually-colluded basis.  So with the recent GAVI brouhaha e.g., are you saying that government should take the blame FULLY for the collusion of those individuals who work within government? 

Regards,

Amadu Massally

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Andrew James <afwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Masallay, good day sir. I believe that corruption should not be corrected progressively. There has to be zero tolerance to corruption.  Correction should be abrupt and consequences delivered in accordance with the law. I would say catch them, publicize them, try them, jail them and throw the keys away. Set some few but grave examples to drive the point home.  Do this and believe you me, there won't be a lot of "Ghana must Go' bags full of money leaving offices in the evenings.
 
Andrew

 

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Subject: Re: [SLPW] '2631' Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

[john leigh]

SZ, I am stepping in gratuitously on behalf of Mr. Massally.  You wrote:

"Corruption is not a statistical matter in a country as small as SL. The people see sudden wealth acquisition from political connection everyday." 

Wealth acquisition from political connections in a small or large country does not necessarily constitute corruption.  If a connected individual does business with any government entity and delivers as contracted for, any profit earned is his/her lawful due.   Thousands of US corporations earn billions of dollars annually from contract work with the Defense Department alone.  Nothing is wrong with this at all for it is all clearly legitimate as long as the contracted for goods/services are delivered when agreed. 

If you believe that it is wrong for anyone connected with a sitting government to win profitable contracts, then to me such attitude smacks of nothing other than misery loves company.  Or it could emanate from your knowledge of the last slpp admin government-connection abuses: obtain a government contract for one thing, then 'eat' the money and do nothing.  If pressed offer to procure sex for the supervisor, etc. and all is ok.

And oh yes, accurate statistics can clearly show how successful a country is in fighting corruption.  Statistics are essential for policy formulation, execution and evaluation to control/contain corruption as its is for addressing issues such as infant mortality, food production, road construction, oil production and hundreds of thousands of other government and human endeavors.   Without accurate statistics, much of the world would never know what is going on even in their back yards. 

Regards,

JL

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Subject: Re: [SLPW] '2631' Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

Amadu,

Does "Ball Yeye" Barometer mean you will die with your eyes open? The only prospect I see with you telling us here that grand corruption has declined after the fact of the mineral and petroleum deals, Income Electrix, Nassit Ferries, Marine ministry looting, crooked road projects that have emptied the treasury and now getting ready to inflict Logus us to run the airport project that we will be indebted for for eternity. For your own good you should  abstain from debating corruption here. Corruption is not a statistical matter in a country as small as SL. The people see sudden wealth acquisition from political connection everyday. 

 

SZ

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[Jesmed Suma]

Arnold made a good point I quote "The penalty for stealing the country's funds or diverting it for personal use should be, repayment of the full amount and jail time, or property seized and auctioned off."  Arnold let me buttress your point by citing the following amendment that we recommended to the current act similar to your above quoted comment: I quote

Section 26 and related sub-sections should be amended to read as follows:

(3) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) shall be liable on conviction to refund or forfeit to the state the entire value of the property or

resources corruptly acquired as stated under subsection (1) and a fine two times the value of the said property or resources to be paid into the Consolidated Fund plus a mandatory imprisonment of 18 months.

(4) Whereas, after making the orders prescribed under subsection 3, there is still some amount outstanding, the court shall make a further order that all other properties owned or in possession of and believed to be owned by the convicted shall be forfeited to the state not exceeding the full value of the balance due plus expenses.

(5) Whereas, after making the orders prescribed under subsections (3) and (4), there is still some amount outstanding, the court shall make a further order that any person holding any moneys on behalf of such person or gratuities, awards, pensions or similar entitlements due to such person, shall pay such moneys or entitlements to the Accountant General.

(6) Whereas, after applying the orders prescribed under subsections (3), (4) and (5), there is still some amount outstanding, the court must impose the following mandatory imprisonment accordingly:

(a) 60 months (5 years) if neither fine nor the embezzled sum is recovered.

(b) 30 months (2.5 years) if the sum embezzled is recovered but the entire fine is not paid.

(c) Whereas, all mandatory sentences are minimum sentences and cannot be mitigated by any judge.

(7) (a) After serving the terms and fulfilling all other provisions as prescribed under subsections (3), (4), (5) and ( 6) the convicted person must be banned from holding public office or doing business with government for ten (10) years.

(b) If the convicted person owns a business or serves in any capacity in any business or corporation such an entity must be banned from doing business with any government agency including programs partly or wholly funded by government for ten years or as long as he/she continues to serve in any capacity for the said business or corporation.

(8) Any person who aids and abets a public officer to commit an offence of corrupt acquisition of wealth as prescribed under subsection (1) such as knowingly transmitting messages, delivering goods, depositing monies but failed to report to the authorities should be

equally investigated, prosecuted and if found guilty, should be sentenced for a minimum of 12 months imprisonment.

Here is the link https://skydrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=5C68262FC7B3C17!1628&cid=05c68262fc7b3c17&app=WordPdf

Jesmed F Suma

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[mustapha sesay]

Hi All,

What is Sierra Leone current debt?

Happy Weekend,

Mustapha

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Subject: Re: [SLPW] '2643' Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

[Amadu Massally]

Bra Sam, I believe Ambassador Leigh has said far more sensible things than I would have on this matter.  However, I do wish to engage you in those matters that you have historically listed like a broken record over the past few years as your assessment of pervasive corruption.

First of all a ball yeye or Zoker Barometer (a variation of ball yeye) is not what you think it is: that is die with your eyes opened, whatever that means.

Secondly, in my opinion, those which you cite as corruption with regard to Income Electrix and Nassit Ferries have seen relevant parties involved being held accountable.  I am not sure what you mean by "Marine ministry looting," but perhaps you can expound on it?  Similarly, many of us Sierra Leoneans who live in Sierra Leone have been impressed with some of the roads construction going on in country and I am not sure how the treasury has been "emptied" due to that, but perhaps you can shed some more light on what you mean instead of talking in absolute and unsubstantiated terms without the relevant evidence?

In conclusion, I would also like to mention that all the things that you speak of have been taken into account by those who measure corruption for a living as is represented in the Corruption Perception Index, the World Governance Indicators and the Millennium Challenge Corporation.  And they all clearly show that corruption, even though still prevalent in our Sierra Leoneans lives just like it is in your American lives or wherever we reside, is being addressed and is reflected in their assessments.

So when you have established credibility and objectivity of these institutions only then can you speak authoritatively on corruption in Sierra Leone.  All this huffing and puffing via the "Zoker Barometer" that largely depends on eye-balling and partisan biases does not cut it.

Regards,

Amadu Massally

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Sam Zoker <samz...@gmail.com> wrote:

Amadu,

Does "Ball Yeye" Barometer mean you will die with your eyes open? The only prospect I see with you telling us here that grand corruption has declined after the fact of the mineral and petroleum deals, Income Electrix, Nassit Ferries, Marine ministry looting, crooked road projects that have emptied the treasury and now getting ready to inflict Logus us to run the airport project that we will be indebted for for eternity. For your own good you should  abstain from debating corruption here. Corruption is not a statistical matter in a country as small as SL. The people see sudden wealth acquisition from political connection everyday. 

 

SZ

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Amadu Massally <salon...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Amadu Massally]

And why would Amadu wish he had not brought up this topic?  Do I look like I am afraid to face and discuss controversial issues (smile)?

Mr. Abu Bakarr, I have posed questions to you that you obviously cannot answer because you cannot seemingly interpret some of the indicators you have posted as a means of rebutting that which I offered, yet you want to come and hide behind Bra Sam's skewed analysis as a haven of false security?

Please answer our questions otherwise you are forbidden to comment further on the topic at hand because it reveals your insincerity and other things.

Regards bra,

Amadu Massally

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Abdulai ABU-BAKARR <abub...@gmail.com> wrote:

Bra Sam

This is one topic Amadu now wish he did not bring up.

These guys are demolishing mansions just to rebuild them. Every major national project is headed by a “Koroma”. 

Now nah dry yeye coba shame normor.  

Abdulai Abu-Bakarr

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Sam Zoker <samz...@gmail.com> wrote:

Amadu,

Does "Ball Yeye" Barometer mean you will die with your eyes open? The only prospect I see with you telling us here that grand corruption has declined after the fact of the mineral and petroleum deals, Income Electrix, Nassit Ferries, Marine ministry looting, crooked road projects that have emptied the treasury and now getting ready to inflict Logus us to run the airport project that we will be indebted for for eternity. For your own good you should  abstain from debating corruption here. Corruption is not a statistical matter in a country as small as SL. The people see sudden wealth acquisition from political connection everyday. 

 

SZ

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Amadu Massally <salon...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Amadu Massally]

Thank you Ambassador Leigh for your eloquent response to my elder cousin, Bra Sam. 

Please feel free to step in "gratuitously on my behalf on these discussions at any time, sir.

Regards,

Amadu Massally

[Amadu Massally]

Another classic one, Ambassador Leigh. 

This is what I keep telling these guys that the option that they suggest is a non-starter in 2013.  Or even 2018!  Unless and until a major overhaul is done among the party that Bra Sam fights and will die for, their political future is bleak. 

Regards,

Amadu Massally

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 5:13 PM, john leigh <johnern...@yahoo.com> wrote:

SZ, my rebuttal was absolutely straightforward and free of the trick you've imagined.  The thing with slpp's anti-APC agitators is that their hyperactive Pull-Him-Down imagination is limited to the abusive practices they employed fiti-fata to provoke Prime Minister Tony Blair to dispatch his Overseas Development Minister to Freetown to dress down the Kabbah-Berewa administration, viz: Grand Corruption E Do So - with the chorus provided by Emerson. 

As a matter of fact, a prime contractor during the heydays of slpp unchecked corruption was your very own FB candidate who is related to Prez Kabbah through his mother at Mobai.

As far as I know, there is a system in place in Salone for contract accountability.  Requests to bid for contracts are frequently published in local newspapers and the process is open to all technically qualified persons or corporate entities.   The Auditor-General does annual audits of all government revenues and expenditures.  If anything is discovered amiss as per law, the reports will say so.  And unlike the ousted slpp admin that turned its back on Tony Blair and the Auditor-General's annual reports, the APC Admin is following through and prosecuting alleged wrongdoers and our courts are punishing those guilty according to law.     

The system is not perfect and may need overall in the near future.  But your party had 11 years in power and did nothing except allow your politically connected contractors to  chop like gluttons.  I remember the notorious slpp women's leader in Bo who diverted contract funds to fund the Bondo society initiates of her numerous supporters but performed diddly squat on the government contracts she had won. She was never prosecuted.

So instead of over-worrying about petite corruption, please leave that for the auditors and the press, ie. Kadi Electricity.  I urge you to now kindly critically study what the administration is doing overall to advance the public interest.  And please don't tell me that "yesterday betteh pass tiday".  Voters have already rejected that crap.  Please enjoy your weekend.

Best regards,

JL 

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Subject: Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

John,

Good try for lawyering my points about corruption in SL today. You have tried an old trick of argumentation by constructing a straw-man and proceeding to demolish it. I see right through it. 

1) No, I know and have no problem with securing government contract by political connection and delivering on it. It is corruption however when the contracting process is opaque and only the same family members and individuals consistently get public sector contracts. This is what always goes on under APC and is going on today. And it is solely what drives the haphazard push for infrastructure projects that leaves us indebted without meeting our basic needs and which you misrepresent here as development.

2) Again, I know and understand the role of statistics in running a modern economy, only it has nothing to do with my point. Where the monthly heists taking place under this government are public knowledge to everyone in a small country like SL, most of the people do not need to read WB statistics to know that there is wholesale looting taking place. And yes, not all the suddenly wealthy have delivered on contracts in SL and you know it. I see you would much rather construct theoretical general arguments than comment on even one of the specific heists I listed for you.

SZ

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Toegondoe Sagbah <mende...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Please refresh on Salone history and find out exactly under which government did Salone become the poorest country on earth. I know that you were in primary school then.

 

            Toegondoe Sagbah, FAT:ISOF

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From: Amadu Massally <salon...@gmail.com>
To: leon...@lists.umbc.edu; Toegondoe Sagbah <mende...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Toegondoe Sagbah <mende...@yahoo.com> wrote:
And yet they wonder why Salone, for example has always been at the bottom of the world development index

I am not sure which one is the "world development index", but can you show us where they have Sierra Leone at the bottom?  The last time I checked when we were at the bottom of the UN's HDI consistently for years you and I both know who was running government.

AJM

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Toegondoe Sagbah <mende...@yahoo.com> wrote:

CJ,

I quite agree with you. In fact, that is the major difference. The amount of loot aggrandized in those countries relative to their GNP or any other measure of economic/financial component is quite different by far. Imagine Salone which is dependent on Donor revenue largely, and its that same donor revenue that those thieves are extracting from.

 

Sometimes they take everything for themselves and fail to implement or accomplish what the donor monies are for...the people and the country are left desolate...And yet they want some of us to leave our  diaspora countries to go home...to do what? TO ENGAGE IN THE SAME LOOT? And yet they wonder why Salone, for example has always been at the bottom of the world development index....Shiii-Yooor!

 

            Toegondoe Sagbah, FAT:ISOF

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Subject: Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

I agree Andrew, but as we pursue perfection which we all know is elusive even in our own lines, we have to consider the "shades of grey". Here in the US, our politicians are by no means Saints! However you might argue that the proportion of assets pilfered to assets invested in the country is MUCH lower than typical West African countries. I imagine the crux of Amadu's posting was to emphasize that while have by no means arrived, we are making progress and definitely moving TOWARDS perfection.

You have a good day too my brother.

Sincerely,

CJ

On Jun 20, 2013, at 9:03 AM, "Andrew James" <afwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

CJ, a thief by definition is a thief. He who is not trustworthy in small things cannot be trusted with big things. If you stole a dollar from me, it could be all I had at the moment. You would have equally stolen a million from me if I had it.
 
Have a good one.
 
Andrew.

 

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Subject: Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

So Andrew,

By your logic, would you say there is simply no value in differentiating between whether I stole a dollar from you or a million?

Good morning to you sir!

CJ

On Jun 19, 2013, at 11:31 PM, "Andrew James" <afwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

So we have graduated from being profoundly corrupt to severely corrupt and we believe that is an improvement. This is tantamount to saying that there is big sin and small sin. However, in the sight of God, sin is sin and since corruption is a sin we cannot measure it.  Corruption is simply corruption no matter the extent. How about not being corrupt at all? Can you try that, honorable ministers and civil servants in high positions?
 
My two cent.
 
Andrew 
 

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[john leigh]

Thanks, AM.  Our slpp brothers are of close minds, blinded and deaf but not mute.  So they shout fallacies from the mountain to.  SLPP leaders wasted the whole of 2012 campaign by contesting solely against ex-Prez Momoh, ignoring EBK's record. You are definitely correct: their propensity to make dumb decisions will insure their bleak future.  Thanks again.

Regards,
JL

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Subject: [SLPW] '2650' Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

[Jesmed Suma]

Amb Leigh, I agree with most of what you said but you left out the 1957 agreement that Siaka Stevens as Minister of Mines signed with the British owned SLST mining company to mine our diamonds giving them exclusive rights to our mines and requiring the Govt of SL to pay SLST ONE MILLION POUNDS each year. I am still puzzled at how an agreement would give exclusive mining rights to a foreign company and in addition require us to pay them a million pounds each year.

Now that we all seem to be well informed about where we went wrong and know those who were responsible for this downward regression, I would like us to now focus on what we need to do to get us out of this state of decadence.  I agree with you that the President is certainly doing well when compared with his predecessors, and that is exactly what most of you are doing. Compare backwards....not necessarily looking forward and dream of what we as a nation could be or should be doing in relation to our means and potential. I evaluate the President not in comparison with where were, but compare him in relation to were we ought to be, to the extent of our potential as a nation. Some may be OK with a child who is considered to be the best in his or her class and the best in this case rated at D or should I say 60%. The child maybe considered the best because all others in class are either rated F or below F yet this child has the God given natural potential to be an A+ child. In my case I would not be satisfied nor would I rate my child in comparison with those who failed but in relation to his potential. Therefore the president is certainly a success story when compared with the Momohs, the Stevens, the Bios and the Tejan Kabbas but he is far below the great potential of our nation which is what is more relevant to me. I wish he could do better because there are others if given the opportunity would certainly do better. 

I was an ardent advocate for EBK because compared to the alternative we were presented with at the time it would have been suicidal for the nation, if the people had mad the wrong choice at the last election. The second reason I argued in favour of his re-election was because I had hopes that at his second term he would be strong and bold enough to clean the system and ride the nation of all the unscrupulous scumbags within his Govt., lift the protection over the sacred cows and holy goats that are the main threat to his highly anticipated legacy he claims he want to build for himself. 

Unfortunately, I am so far dismayed by his choice of team, lack of clarity on his vision for the nation if any, and the continued blatant corruption in every fabric of society in SL at every level, even though he is said to be doing a great job. Yes a great job compared to his predecessors. But as I said earlier he could do better. To do better he needs the right team and each team member should get a clear vision of where he wants to take the nation, a clear vision of what legacy he wants to leave for posterity and most importantly each team member should get a clear understanding that they are indispensable. When anyone becomes a threat to the vision he would be and should be sacrificed. The agenda, his vision and his legacy should be above all else. Who best to provide such leadership than a transformational leader. Unfortunately the President has always been and is still a transactional leader. Challenging times as we face today; needs the right leadership, tough, decisive and visionary. Therefore, he needs to rethink his style and his approach otherwise his legacy would be mockery of his presidency. I personally do not want that to happen, I want him to succeed, because if he succeeds the nation succeeds, everyone succeeds. So I shall continue to fearlessly point out his flaws until he becomes the better leader I wish him to be.

Thank you,

Jesmed F Suma

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On 22 June 2013 13:34, onikeh001 <onik...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Hey, Amadu-

These UN folks and the likes of Tony Blair have personal interests in an international friendly Sierra Leone;  and I wouldn't be surprised if they were bribed to skew the figures/numbers. We know what UN folks are capable of doing these days!

I think,  the bottom line,  we really don't need foreign agencies to tell us about corruption in our country,   or the degree thereof. Right under your noise, the Ex-Mayor, is a typical example and the average Kpana sees it everyday. 

Now that the big ticket items have been squandered,  and the coffers pretty much depleted;  we are now seeing them go after the small fries. 

Your tenacity attempting to defend ALL aspects of this regime has a tendency of eroding whatever modicum of respect and credibility some of us cherish of your person. I'm saying this as your cousin looking for objectively once in a while;  and not a just a blind following. 

We do see some progress, make no mistake about it; but at the same time, we also see a reversal of the gains accomplished after the interregnum years. We're gradually descending into a defacto one-party state, and I'm afraid we're sowing the seeds for another civil uprising if this trend continues. I'm am talking about the marginalization of folks in the South-East; the entrenchment of the office the presidency, the army & police. Essentially,  the weeding out of opposition loyalists from all aspects of government.

Youngman,  we all belong to the same country,  and wishing mama Sierra Leone well; but for you to posit that the antics are in our illusion, you remind me of the late Alieu Kamara during the AFRC saga. 

So long, pal; thought I'll say hi to you after a long while,  and in a fly!

Solo Gembeh. 

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Subject: Re: [SLPW] '2631' Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

Bra Sam, I believe Ambassador Leigh has said far more sensible things than I would have on this matter.  However, I do wish to engage you in those matters that you have historically listed like a broken record over the past few years as your assessment of pervasive corruption.

First of all a ball yeye or Zoker Barometer (a variation of ball yeye) is not what you think it is: that is die with your eyes opened, whatever that means.

Secondly, in my opinion, those which you cite as corruption with regard to Income Electrix and Nassit Ferries have seen relevant parties involved being held accountable.  I am not sure what you mean by "Marine ministry looting," but perhaps you can expound on it?  Similarly, many of us Sierra Leoneans who live in Sierra Leone have been impressed with some of the roads construction going on in country and I am not sure how the treasury has been "emptied" due to that, but perhaps you can shed some more light on what you mean instead of talking in absolute and unsubstantiated terms without the relevant evidence?

In conclusion, I would also like to mention that all the things that you speak of have been taken into account by those who measure corruption for a living as is represented in the Corruption Perception Index, the World Governance Indicators and the Millennium Challenge Corporation.  And they all clearly show that corruption, even though still prevalent in our Sierra Leoneans lives just like it is in your American lives or wherever we reside, is being addressed and is reflected in their assessments.

So when you have established credibility and objectivity of these institutions only then can you

speak authoritatively on corruption in Sierra Leone.  All this huffing and puffing via the "Zoker Barometer" that largely depends on eye-balling and partisan biases does not cut it.

Regards,

Amadu Massally

So Andrew,

By your logic, would you say there is simply no value in differentiating between whether I stole a dollar from you or a million?

Good morning to you sir!

CJ

On Jun 19, 2013, at 11:31 PM, "Andrew James" <afwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

So we have graduated from being profoundly corrupt to severely corrupt and we believe that is an improvement. This is tantamount to saying that there is big sin and small sin. However, in the sight of God, sin is sin and since corruption is a sin we cannot measure it.  Corruption is simply corruption no matter the extent. How about not being corrupt at all? Can you try that, honorable ministers and civil servants in high positions?
 
My two cent.
 
Andrew 
 

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[jesme...@slpw.org]

Bra SamForay thank Rev for this update. This is big news. If the ACC czar pull this off, then we would see this guy as being really serious about fighting corruption provided they are all convicted though which has always been the next hurdle.
Cheers

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Subject: Re: [SLPW] '2631' Re: [Leonenet] Corruption in SL... Is it Getting Better? How do you Measure it?

Jesmed,

My brother, as we say in Indiana, you ain't seen nothing yet.  Police and ACC are currently investigating perhaps the largest corruption case in Sa. Leone history involving police, Ports Authority, Echo Bank, international investors and of course, the National Revenue Authority (SL's version of the IRS).  The syndicate is so wide that if all heads were to roll, some of you guys may be forced to come home to run the country.  Thirteen people including the alleged ring leader and his wife are both at Max. Security Prison (Pa Demba Rd) held without bond.  The amount alleged for just the husband and wife is in excess of L1.2 billion - that's what the two geniuses had in their personal bank accounts where the wife is a teller and the husband is with NRA.  Not including the millions found in their home ( one of their homes).  This for a man (boy) who only erans L800,000 a month max.  And this is a boy (young man) so young that the last time I saw him in 1974, he was not even in nursery school at the time, but his tentacles extend all the way to State Lodge.

To say that corruption is out of control is a gross mis-understatement (as Geo. Bush would say).  It is not just the central govt., it is local govt. officials, so-called bishops and other clergy.  It includes principals who take money from hapless parents so intent on pushing their kids forward that they are willing to bribe schools to admit kids who are unsuccessful at the Form III exams to advance to senior secondary school.  To those abroad whose relatives have been "building" houses for them for the past 10 years and there is still no house to show for the 1'000's expended.  What I am trying to say in so many words is that this a lost country.  It is a very sad place to live right now even for those of us with our umbilical cords so tied to the place, we can't seem to live without SL.  But as they say here, God dae.

Not withstanding, God is ALL Together Good,

SmF

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Andrew James <afwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

So true. tief 100 million dem fine u 100 thousand n recycle u in the government. It is a slap in the face of the justice system. The lobbying starts right after indictment. By the time the case gets a hearing the judges already know that the accused is a member of the brotherhood. Sad thing is that these corrupt fellows really think that Salone belongs to them alone.
 
Andrew
 
 

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