For review: Schema.org/Discussion

[Stéphane Corlosquet]

Danbri tried to send this to sioc-dev but his email bounced. see his message below.

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Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:24:53 -0700

Subject: Fwd: For review: Schema.org/Discussion

From: Dan Brickley <dan...@danbri.org>

To: sioc...@googlegroups.com

Hello SIOC people,

In public...@w3.org we ('schema.org' we...) have started a thread
about extending schema.org's vocab in the area of discussions/forums.
See mail from Charlie (copied below).

Now would be a good time to think whether there is a "schema.org
extensions based on SIOC" story worth exploring. Schema.org remains a
single-namespace thing, so using SIOC (or e.g. FOAF, DC, etc.)
directly isn't currently an option. However we've added big chunks of
vocab from existing sources before (IPTC/rNews) and are working on
doing it again (Good Relations). If SIOC-based additions, reconciled
with existing schema.org structures, were proposed, .. no promises but
it might be good timing, especially if they could be merged in with
the vocab mentioned below. Just thinking out loud...

Dan

ps. who'll be at SemTech SF this week? me, scor, ... others? ping me
here or @danbri on twitter...

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From: Charlie Jiang <chj...@microsoft.com>
Date: 2 June 2012 09:36
Subject: For review: Schema.org/Discussion
To: "public...@w3.org" <public...@w3.org>




We've put forth a preliminary proposal for Shema.org/Discussion. It
can be found at http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/DiscussionSchema.

This proposal is initially for supporting technical discussions.
However, we do see the need to make it domain agnostic. We would love
to have your feedback.

Thanks,


Charlie

[John Breslin]

Hey Dan, Stephane, all -

Thanks! We’ve been thinking along these lines too.

We are going to start a mapping document to see how to SIOC can be aligned to schema.org, and it would be good to align with the Discussion / Q&A-type ideas.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xZpSXXI-3TH7A2eTSyoy-F6xw-VBz25SmFdVtcSMLcU

Sorry I missed this last week, was running a conference (ICWSM) but recovering now :-)

John

On 02/06/2012 22:59, "Stéphane Corlosquet" <scorl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Danbri tried to send this to sioc-dev but his email bounced. see his message below.


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Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:24:53 -0700
Subject: Fwd: For review: Schema.org/Discussion
From: Dan Brickley <dan...@danbri.org>
To: sioc...@googlegroups.com


Hello SIOC people,

In public...@w3.org we ('schema.org <http://schema.org> ' we...) have started a thread
about extending schema.org <http://schema.org> 's vocab in the area of discussions/forums.

See mail from Charlie (copied below).

Now would be a good time to think whether there is a "schema.org <http://schema.org>

extensions based on SIOC" story worth exploring. Schema.org remains a
single-namespace thing, so using SIOC (or e.g. FOAF, DC, etc.)
directly isn't currently an option. However we've added big chunks of
vocab from existing sources before (IPTC/rNews) and are working on
doing it again (Good Relations). If SIOC-based additions, reconciled

with existing schema.org <http://schema.org>  structures, were proposed, .. no promises but

it might be good timing, especially if they could be merged in with
the vocab mentioned below. Just thinking out loud...

Dan

ps. who'll be at SemTech SF this week? me, scor, ... others? ping me
here or @danbri on twitter...

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From: Charlie Jiang <chj...@microsoft.com>
Date: 2 June 2012 09:36
Subject: For review: Schema.org/Discussion
To: "public...@w3.org" <public...@w3.org>




We've put forth a preliminary proposal for Shema.org/Discussion. It
can be found at http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/DiscussionSchema.

This proposal is initially for supporting technical discussions.
However, we do see the need to make it domain agnostic. We would love
to have your feedback.

Thanks,


Charlie

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[John Breslin]

Hi Charlie, all -

Great stuff!

Actually we have been looking into how to better align SIOC (http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec) with Schema.org and we would like to produce a draft review of terms from both sides to see if alignment is possible.

A little bit about SIOC as you may not be aware of it...

SIOC is a schema for describing social web content (posts, comments, forums, blogs, etc.) - it’s been in development for nearly eight years and is currently one of the formats used by Drupal 7 along and various other applications/sites.

I recently gave a talk about SIOC data (see slides at http://www.slideshare.net/Cloud/20110426a-amsterdam-ifipsnsci from April) and according to the recent CommonCrawl dataset, SIOC terms like UserAccount, Comment and BlogPost are found in the top 20 most commonly-used RDFa types.

We would be very interested in figuring out what we can do to accommodate all proposals, even modifying SIOC terms where appropriate.

I will send some more details shortly.

Thanks!

John

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Researcher, Social Software and Semantic Web, DERI http://www.deri.ie
Winner, Seven-Year Most Influential Paper Award, ESWC http://sioc-project.org
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On 02/06/2012 17:36, "Charlie Jiang" <chj...@microsoft.com> wrote:

[John Breslin]

Happy New Year everyone!

Charlie, all – I’ve been thinking a little bit more about this (six months later!) and I think it would be good to follow the model used by blogs in schema.org, (Blog and BlogPosting) but tailor this towards forums by having the thread or discussion linking the forum to the forum post.

Forums are a little bit different because in threads, posts have more equal importance (whether they are starter or reply posts) whereas in blogs the original blog post is the important bit.

Here’s one idea.

Class Forum (similar to Blog, subtype of CreativeWork)
  Property thread -> Thread

Class Thread (or Discussion as proposed by Charlie)
  Property post -> Post

Class Post (or ForumPost)
  Need to figure out how to type some of these as Questions / Answers / BestAnswers
  I think you were looking for this too Charlie; we have this in SIOC Types

This is similar to the structure of most forums and also allows for easy markup of Posts within Thread pages and Threads within Forum listings.

We’ve started putting together a document showing terms from SIOC and relationships to existing schema.org terms – see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xZpSXXI-3TH7A2eTSyoy-F6xw-VBz25SmFdVtcSMLcU/edit#

Best regards,

John.
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On 14/06/2012 11:38, "John Breslin" <john.b...@nuigalway.ie> wrote:

Hi Charlie, all -

Great stuff!

Actually we have been looking into how to better align SIOC (http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec) with Schema.org and we would like to produce a draft review of terms from both sides to see if alignment is possible.

A little bit about SIOC as you may not be aware of it...

SIOC is a schema for describing social web content (posts, comments, forums, blogs, etc.) - it’s been in development for nearly eight years and is currently one of the formats used by Drupal 7 along and various other applications/sites.

I recently gave a talk about SIOC data (see slides at http://www.slideshare.net/Cloud/20110426a-amsterdam-ifipsnsci from April) and according to the recent CommonCrawl dataset, SIOC terms like UserAccount, Comment and BlogPost are found in the top 20 most commonly-used RDFa types.

We would be very interested in figuring out what we can do to accommodate all proposals, even modifying SIOC terms where appropriate.

I will send some more details shortly.

Thanks!

John

On 02/06/2012 17:36, "Charlie Jiang" <chj...@microsoft.com> wrote:

We've put forth a preliminary proposal for Shema.org/Discussion. It can be found at http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/DiscussionSchema.

This proposal is initially for supporting technical discussions. However, we do see the need to make it domain agnostic. We would love to have your feedback.

Thanks,

Charlie
 

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Lecturer, Electronic Engineering, NUI Galway http://www.eee.nuigalway.ie
Researcher, Social Software and Semantic Web, DERI

http://www.deri.ie
Co-Founder, boards.ie Ltd., StreamGlider Inc., Technology Voice

[Alexandre Passant]

Hi all,

Happy new year as well - happy to see the discussion back!

There are also mappings on github that we've contributed few months ago

https://github.com/mhausenblas/schema-org-rdf/blob/master/mappings/sioc.ttl

Hope that helps

Alex.

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