Space/Aerospace and fundamental engineering ventures
Varun Prakash
With energy conservation, manufacturing becoming very critical issues does anybody think a lot could be done in this domain?
Varun.
drllau
there are some firms working on drone tech which when you think about population density makes sense. whilst not aeroSPACE at least its engineering
Lawrence
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David Lyon
industry in the sense that you see anywhere else in the
world.
More to the point, it's just a collection of taxpayers money
being pooled into an entertainment system for a limited group
of perhaps 'Canberra' people.
There will be no 'industry'. It won't be like the American space
program where eventually the Government bow's out and leaves
a healthy swag for private companies to pick up commercial
flights to space etc.
What you are seeing being built is little more than another
closed 'beauracracy' like the NBN. Don't expect to see commercial
launches of any of the rocketry to neighbouring countries or the private
sector to be involved in any way.
Sorry to be so direct, but this is the way things are done here.
Ben Sand
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Ollie (sydney)
- The Australian Centre for Space Engineering Research (ACSER)
- Garada - low cost Satellites
- RMIT - Space and Climate research
- SCRAMJET research into better methods to transport goods/people into space
- http://www.synergymoon.com/ one of the teams (has an aussie aero company as a partner) trying to land on the moon for google's $30M comp.
- http://www.whitelabelspace.com/ another team trying to win that google x prize.
David Lyon
Actually Rocket Fuel, Liquid Oxygen, Hydrogen Peroxide etc all fall
into the clean fuels category.
Ok, they are 'a little' dangerous to play with - without care.
But given Australia's geographic isolation that doesn't exist on
any of the other continents, I really can't see why consecutive
governments have persecuted the aerospace industry to the
point where Australia has slower jet-fighters than even indonesia.
The national airline, Qantas is practically on it's knee's and any
research and development into better systems to get make the
longer trip across the continent get vetoed at the merest mention.
Basically, using any of the good research for the good of the
country to inject life into the national carrier is so not allowed.
If only I was allowed to water-inject those Qantas motors.. like
I do my van.. reality dictates it's just easier and better for the
government to let qantas die. One less thing to worry about.
Jason Held
David Lyon
I have no idea about pico-satellites or what their usefulness is.
We'll see how much of the carbon-tax and carbon-reduction technology
gets directed by the government to Qantas and the real industries that
actually already exist in Australia.
If Canberra could actually do what it is promising with technology, it
could reduce the fuel bill for Qantas by 10%.
What typically happens is that the billions of bucks that have been
collected on the premise to fund improved technology will be diverted into
a dumpster or sewerage, someplace the public won't see. It's what
happens to our technology development funds.
I'm very sure that 9/10 Australians would rather see 1/10 of the
carbon tax going into saving the national carrier Qantas (partially through
fuel efficiency improvements) than the funds being disposed of in
bonfire as the public will no doubt witness.
Anytime canberra wants to start working on clean fuels such as
rocket fuels it can because it already has our money.. and it's
promised to deliver something on that..
David Johnson
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David Lyon
Hi guys,Im a 3rd year Aeronautical(Space) Engineering student at usyd and have been following such developments very closely for the past couple years. As much as i would love there to be an emerging space industry, i have to agree with david on this one. 40 million is a joke of an investment if they plan on kickstarting a whole new industry.
start building rockets.
The problem is that governments in australia have lost touch with engineering
or product development realities.
For example, to me $16M would be enough to buy a somewhat used Shenkazen
High-Speed-Train and get it shipped to lake George. Do some High Speed Rail
testing, well at least in the 170kmh range. Which actually was the speed range
that the Japanese started with in the 1950's.
Instead of actually getting a Train and studying that (~$4M), all that the $16M got the
public a .PDF report whose contents mounted difficulties so that no High Speed
Trains are likely to come into service in the next 100 years.
Producing rocket fuel must be done with care. Liquid Oxygen, Hydrogen Peroxide
or whatever the fuel mix is fairly exacting work that needs to be done with care.
Japan has a reason for its space program. Test all its electronic componentry.
The United States had a valid reason for it's Space Program, to not let Russia
advance past it in Space technology.
In reality, the US Space program is totally free to the country. Taxpayers hardly
even fork out anything for that business.
What pays for the US Space Program is actually Hollywood movie revenues.
The Science Fiction aspect gets reality testing on real space craft.
If you compare the stats, perhaps more people die in Hollywood in car
accidents driving to the sets than Astronauts die in Space.
$40M should be enough to get some rockets going up into the air but
when government can spend $180M on a walkway in Sydney, who knows
what sort of thing will actually be delivered.
As long as we don't ask people in canberra to write an app or make a
pdf progress report, maybe $1000 worth of rocket fuel could find it's
way into the budget. But who knows..
Clifford Heath
> maybe $1000 worth of rocket fuel could find it's way into the budget
have a space program have a cost-justification which pays for them.
Where's yours?
> The problem is that governments in australia have lost touch with engineering
> or product development realities.
to fund such things? As long as they keep the hell out of the way (and
arguably Australia's doesn't), that's the most we should expect. The market
will have what it wants, eventually.
> Japan has a reason for its space program. Test all its electronic componentry.
> The United States had a valid reason for it's Space Program, to not let Russia
> advance past it in Space technology.
> In reality, the US Space program is totally free to the country. Taxpayers hardly
> even fork out anything for that business.
> What pays for the US Space Program is actually Hollywood movie revenues.
enterprise to implement it.
Inter-planetary travel could be considered a future feasibility, if only there
was a reason. Interstellar travel needs us to harness the energy of a small
supernova, or find a less energetic way to get there. I'm betting on research
like the Higgs boson being our best shot at useful space travel.
I must say that your anti-government ranting is beginning to grate again.
Clifford Heath.
David Lyon
on Clean Fuels and Energy-Efficiency.
I'm just really looking forward to seeing what the engineering department
of Canberra comes up with for it's multi-billion $ tech investment contract
that it has made with the nation.
With the amount of money going in to Canberra, I hope the deliverable for
all that Carbon Tax money will involve something with Rockets rather than
the usual deliverable of a .pdf report.
Zero-Carbon Emission Rockets - yes, PDF report - no.
Engineering Department of Canberra sure has some work to be doing
that's all I can say. So get on engineering ! Don't let the public detract
you from the work that has been promised to the Nation !
Varun Prakash
There are a lot of aero companies sprouting in Australia. A quick look at the space.gov.au website also gives some information about few more private companies that have associated themselves to work in this domain.
As Jason points out, finding the customers would be the key, but, it is quite different compared to any other industry.
Regards,
Varun
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Factor in also the (slowly) shifting culture ...
- broaden focus away from sports heros (though crass greed still looked down upon)
- have a go ... learning from failures important so need cultural of tolerance and not put in the boot
- everyone likes sucess ... its the definition that I suspect most people quibble about (eg high impact v high $$)
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With respect to sports, I wouldn't focus away from sports, I would focus more it and embed it with more technology, this is the biggest advantage that Australia has with lot of population loving one or the other sport. Probably, start building sports training simulators such as the ones shown below which I think could be really huge. I am not an expert in any sport, but, would be good to hear from some experienced with such technology here in Australia.
http://www.ausport.gov.au/news/ais_news/story_488766_australian_cyclists_take_simulator_for_a_ride
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/olympics-2012/hitech-simulator-provides-riders-with-a-cutting-edge-20120524-1z84t.html
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Varun Prakash
It wasn't in direct relation to the space/aerospace industry.
David Lyon
But what's the expectations?
A-simply to launch a rocket and say yippee.
B-take Australia 1/4 of the way to having rocket technology as good as
our neighbours India and perhaps Pakistan. Remembering we are a long
way behind Pakistan in what we have here.
C-Get Rocket technology by 2025 that is as good as rocket technology
in Germany was in 1925?
D-Use it to assist our own Industry
E-can't chat, I need to be in Hueston TX to watch a launch.
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