recent vids and archive plugins

[markus sandy]

hi all,

ok, i've fixed a fair number of issues with these two plugin's on RIH.  mainly in recent vids.

please look over the pages and let me know they are behaving as expected

main thing is that the recent vids now shows the correct number of thumbs as set in the options panel (7 in this case).  it also does not show the most recent video as per earlier conversations in this list.  it looks the same everywhere on the site, no matter what page you are on.  I know there was also some discussion about not showing items already displayed on the current page, but I think that is something that needs to wait until I am done with pledgedrive or charles is captured alive :) 

I have only tested this on RIH with vpip.  The main problems had to do with how recent vids was interpreting data from vpip and this is now fixed.  I still need to test on a non vpip site (I'll set one up soon but ping me if you want to beta test with me).  I also want to test with a new site that has 0 and 1,..8 videos posted so far (or just text posts) in order to test the startup cases.  

it seems like things are more like what I would expect from this feature than when i started. please check out RIH and let me know what you think

thanks

markus

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[Jen Simmons]

Markus

I'd love to test these new versions out with the latest SIAB install on my sandbox at http://showinabox.milkweedmediadesign.com/

It's also be great to get Pledge Drive (in whatever form it's in) so we can start looking at the visual design / how to theme it.

Can you sent them over? Vis SpinXpress SAIB Themes group??

Jen

[Cheryl Colan]

Markus you are the BOMB! Yes, it looks as though you fixed its funky behavior in all areas of the site. You ROCK!!! That all means "thank you very much," by the way.

If he's willing, I think it would be great if David Howell would test it as well since he had issues with Recent Videos too. It would be nice to know if your fix would work for him.

Cheryl

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[markus sandy]

thanks cheryl!

yes, please do test away.  updated files are in the spinxpress group "siab themes"

markus

[markus sandy]

archive and recent plugin files are in the group

pledgedrive coming as soon as i add a version id to it's database so i don't go nuts with future updates :)

[Jen Simmons]

YEAH!!!

I just downloaded the two php docs to upgrade the Video Archives and Recent Videos plug-ins -- and installed them on one of my SIAB sandboxes. 

How can we make these upgrades official?? Charles?? 

Jen

[Enric]

Here is the thread which has the link to subversion for videoPress:

http://groups.google.com/group/show-in-a-box/browse_frm/thread/a8b2dfc5629f90d3/52fe0015d0d52415?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=websvn#52fe0015d0d52415

with Videopress subversion at:

http://websvn.newtube.org/

I think Markus in conversation with Charles should do this.

-- Enric

[Cheryl Colan]

Yeah, I agree. Once Markus & Charles work it out we can put the updated versions in the Box.

C

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[markus sandy]

i sent a note to charles asking to update the code

[Cheryl Colan]

I'm not running vPIP on http://www.hummingcrow.com

I installed your fixed versions of Recent Videos and Video Archive.

Video Archive doesn't work, neither does Recent Videos.

I don't have a widget-ready theme, so I tried Recent Videos via the php code snippet pasted into my page.php template. So it should show up on the "press" page for example. It's supposed to pop in before the header. What I'm seeing is additional whitespace above the header, but nothing displayed there.

The site is running WP 2.2.3. My site may not be a fair test because I'm using PodPress - maybe there's an incompatibility there. Or maybe it's just that VideoPress needs those vPIP thumbnails. Other tests are probably needed.

Cheryl

[markus sandy]

thanks for the heads up cheryl

i'll look into this asap

i can go two ways:

1. get myself setup for testing on an installation without vpip, debug issues and get you updated plugin and then try it again on your site, or ... 

2. use your site

the second option is faster if you don't mind setting me up a temp wp admin account and password so i can edit plugin and test on a real site. 

no problem if you want me to go route #1, i need to do that at some point anyway

markus

[Cheryl Colan]

You can go #2 for now - I'll hook you up and email you shortly - then take option #1 later for more testing.

Cheryl

[markus sandy]

hi cheryl

i think i see what is the issue here.

the files i put in SpinXpress are the modified files that should replace the same ones in our current SIAB release.  think of them as "updates" as opposed to entire replacements for the plugins.

to fix, please install charles' entire plugins as normal and then copy in the two updated files to the appropriate plugin folders (one in the archive plugin folder and one in the recent vids plugin folder)

does that make sense?

markus

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[Cheryl Colan]

oh, yeah, that makes perfect sense! I'm an idiot for not looking at the actual plugin folders .. just hurrying so I could get back to grading ...

OK I just:
1. deactivated the plugins
2. deleted them from the server
3. loaded charles' versions
4. replaced the single files with yours

Same result. Neither displays any thumbnails. But the VideoArchives page works - it just says "that's it, you're at the end..."

bummer.

but you'll have more to troubleshoot by now

Cheryl

[markus sandy]

On Nov 7, 2007, at 8:33 PM, Cheryl Colan wrote:

but you'll have more to troubleshoot by now

ok, i see the basic issue here.  here's an update...

Cheryl, you are using the "podPress" plugin to manage the video and image media associated with each post.

Charles' videopress plugins do not directly support that plugin like they do vPiP.  podPress seems to be a nice plugin, we should support it too.

there is some code in the videoPress plugins that may be meant to handle non-vPiP cases, but it does not seem to be working here.  i will investigate that further and/or add code to support podPress.

the question arises: what methods for attaching media can we reasonably support in SIAB?

here is a short list of methods i know of for associating posts with media in wordpress.  are there others?  what do people use besides vPiP and podPress?

1. embedded html (e.g., cut and paste all video information into post from someplace like blip.tv)

2. wp custom fields (on the wp post form, in this case, what key names do we support for videos and thumbnails?)

3. wp uploaded files (on the wp post form, must use extensions to determine type)

4. custom plugin API (e.g., videopress supports the _vPIP_GetData function)

it looks like podPress uses method #2

of course, there is a relationship here with feeds and display of posts.  Does wordpress automatically make enclosures from uploads or custom fields without some special code in the the theme?  i know there is vPiP module code to produce feeds.  can someone bring me up to speed on how feeds are produced in SIAB?

this relates to sull's recent remarks about supporting general feeds for these plugins (sure makes sense after going thru all this code to understand this issue)

so more work to do to make these plugins universal.  Charles has made a good start, this is not so much a bug as a need to support popular methods of attaching media to posts.

Feedback appreciated.  Please point out other relevant threads if you know of them.

markus

TGIT :)

[Cheryl Colan]

I don't think we need to support PodPress. We could, it would be nice, but I'd rather get this version of SIAB out the door, worry about whether we want to support other plugins later.

A lot of what PodPress does has now been coded into WordPress as of 2.3, and I wrote the person who did it suggesting he provide more support for video. He's going to work on that in his next release. His solution is more elegant/has less bloat than PodPress from what I understand.

I will continue to use PodPress on my personal site because I want to keep my eyes on what options are available to people. There are things PodPress does that I really wish vPIP did. But vPIP rocks the house in terms of control over the display and offering multiple formats for playback (which podpress can do, but puts each one on it's own line under the video player).

So I suggest not delving into supporting PodPress until we first get what we already have working solid. Unless it's something that is super easy and only takes a couple lines of code to make work.

Ultimately I think it would be great to support the various methods you outline for attaching media to posts, but I have no clue how it all works in WordPress - I leave that to the developers to answer. With regard to feeds, WordPress can make a feed out of just about anything, a category, a tag, a search term... My understanding is that vPIP uses that ability of WordPress to generate feeds for posts containing a certain media type, but Enric can explain better (or point you to the documentation of it).

Cheryl

[Enric]

Feeds are produced with the vPIP Feed generator and widget,
..\widgets\vPIPFeed.php
..\widgets\vPIPFeeds_Widget.php
. The vPIP Feed generator parses the wordpress feed,
http://server.com/wppage.php?feed=rss2
, to include only the media specified (Quicktime only, Flash only,
etc.) vPIP Feed is mainly for generating unique feeds. And it uses
php fsockopen(...) to read the wordpress rss2 feed.

-- Enric

[Cheryl Colan]

See, I told ya Enric could explain it better!! XOXO
C

[Enric]

Hehe.

;)

[Milt Lee]

I'm with Cheryl on this one. Much better to concentrate our efforts,
and really make it wonderful. vPip already does really great stuff.
We (that is to say - they coders here) need to concentrate on the
plugins we have, cleaning the code, and promoting the heck out of it.

Milt

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