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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:02:18 -0700
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Glad to hear it works on Android and iOS!

mark tends to consider type-hinting an abomination and any needs for it to
be bugs (I found a need for it recently with base classes not getting
type-inferences from their subclasses).

Also, he's gotten the type-inferencing to scale to moderately large
programs roughly linearly instead of the expected exponential growth, but
if you've got something over 10k lines, he'd be interested in performance
results.

I don't know if non-builtin modules are going to be shipped with shedskin,
but it would be cool if we had some shedskin-only modules available
somewhere.

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:03 AM, sal <svfe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just a few random thoughts for the seasoned here.
>
> I'd like to do something like 'x=None' but also have shedskin understand
> the type is of 'Y()' for the static inferencing. Akin to: 'x=Y(); x=None;'
>  but more elegantly.  Cython has some helper types (like c_int, etc.)  so
> it is pure python but carries more semantics.  Just for the purposes of
> making more readable code... and perform well. (at compile and runtime).  I
> know its not very pythonic but I was curious if others had some techniques.
>  The SS docs mentioned that SS inferencingdoesn't scale... so that would
> also help a bit.
>
> I've also gotten SS output to run on Android, iOS.  It required patching
> some parts, and Android needed an NDK cross compiler toolchain to work.
>  Any interest in patches for this?
>
> Lastly I'm implementing OpenGL ES bindings for mobile targets... let me
> know if there is any work done here already, or if I should package that up
> for consumption as well.
>
> Thanks!!!
>
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Glad to hear it works on Android and iOS!<div><br></div><div>mark tends to =
consider type-hinting an abomination and any needs for it to be bugs (I fou=
nd a need for it recently with base classes not getting type-inferences fro=
m their subclasses).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also, he&#39;s gotten the type-inferencing to scale to =
moderately large programs roughly linearly instead of the expected exponent=
ial growth, but if you&#39;ve got something over 10k lines, he&#39;d be int=
erested in performance results.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t know if non-builtin modules are going to be=
 shipped with shedskin, but it would be cool if we had some shedskin-only m=
odules available somewhere.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 7=
, 2012 at 6:03 AM, sal <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:svferro@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">svfe...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just a few random thoughts for the seasoned =
here.<br>
<br>
I&#39;d like to do something like &#39;x=3DNone&#39; but also have shedskin=
 understand the type is of &#39;Y()&#39; for the static inferencing. Akin t=
o: &#39;x=3DY(); x=3DNone;&#39; =A0but more elegantly. =A0Cython has some h=
elper types (like c_int, etc.) =A0so it is pure python but carries more sem=
antics. =A0Just for the purposes of making more readable code... and perfor=
m well. (at compile and runtime). =A0I know its not very pythonic but I was=
 curious if others had some techniques. =A0The SS docs mentioned that SS in=
ferencingdoesn&#39;t scale... so that would also help a bit.<br>

<br>
I&#39;ve also gotten SS output to run on Android, iOS. =A0It required patch=
ing some parts, and Android needed an NDK cross compiler toolchain to work.=
 =A0Any interest in patches for this?<br>
<br>
Lastly I&#39;m implementing OpenGL ES bindings for mobile targets... let me=
 know if there is any work done here already, or if I should package that u=
p for consumption as well.<br>
<br>
Thanks!!!<br>
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