Clayton and Eric's new bikes
Rob Hawks
Clayton Scott
I'll send some pictures to the fiend.
Here is a link to the on my flickr too.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/claytonesseff/sets/72157624467335916/
Clayton
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"Racing" set-up, cotton handlebar tape (coated with shellac) is
covered with cheap cork tape :(
GB
On Jul 28, 10:29 am, Clayton Scott <clayton...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the compliments. The color was Tony's pick. The bicycle has been
> wonderful so far and Tony did an excellent job making my ideas a reality.
> Had it about a month now so still in the honeymoon phase. It felt amazing on
> the recent populaire, but I am also comparing to riding exclusively fixed or
> single speed bicycles for the past couple years. We'll see how it does on
> the Santa Cruz 400k.
>
> I'll send some pictures to the fiend.
>
>
> Clayton
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Rob Hawks <rob.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Those of you on the Populaire earlier this month perhaps got a chance to
> > see Clayton Scott's, and Eric Perram's new bikes. Here is a link that will
> > get you photos to Clayton's bike:
>
> >http://www.google.com/profiles/108199430989844462678?hl=en
>
> > Admittedly, I'm a sucker for blue bikes, but still, this one is very nice.
>
> > Eric P. was riding a new Steve Rex.
>
> > Guys, you should send a photo set over to Jim, AKA Cyclofiend, to add to
> > the current classics gallery.
>
> > Who else has new bikes? Let's see photos!
>
> > rob
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Todd Teachout
I've been in contact with Woolistic and I've gotten a price quote for a wool version of the blue/white/green with red white stripe and the Carlos Duque designed SFR logo.
I've gotten some suggestions recently so I thought I'd put out everything and see where the greatest interest lies.
I want to see if people are interested in getting another run of San Francisco Randonneur Jerseys. I'm attaching a photo of the most current design in long sleeve.
Greg Merritt
> having several designs out there I believe will dilute the effect of our affiliation.
Why not consider the design of the existing (black) wool jerseys for this new run?
Also, would the "2011 PBP Team" embroidery, if offered, be optional?
-Greg
Karen Thompson
undertaking this task.
Would the runs include women's sizing (and not just unisex?)
Design No. 1
Voler makes several products. Jerseys in long and short sleeve. Wind
Jackets. Vests. Arm Warmers. Gloves. Shoe Covers. They do other items
but for now we need to limit it to tops.
To do a Voler Order we'll need at least 15 items. I'm attaching the
Voler price list. The "stock" jersey has a club cut, a hidden zipper that
opens about 1/2 of the front. is a conventional polyester fabric. They
will do upgrades to SQ Pro "Elite" fabric for an up charge. Ditto for
full length Zippers.
The vests have pockets. The wind jackets don't but fold into a very small
package.
I'd like to see what the interest is in
Voler
Short Sleeve Jerseys (specify "regular" or "elite" (knowing there is a $20
up charge))
Long Sleeve Jerseys
Wind Vests
Wind Jackets
Arm Warmers
Gloves
Shoe Covers.
Prices are would depend on Volume Ordered. I'm attaching the Voler Price
List. For purposes of this invitation assume the smallest volumes. If
the interest is high enough prices will drop a small amount.
I inquired about three Woolistic products. All are wool. They are:
Short Sleeve Jersey
Long Sleeve Jersey
Trainer.
The trainer is essentially a wool jacket or a light wool zippered sweater.
The fabric is a tad heavier than the jersey. The weave may be coarser
than the jersey knit. There is a full length zipper in the front. the
bottom is ribbed to hug your waist/hips. I had a trainer top from a club
I belonged to years ago. I wore that as everyday wear.
Woolistic is quoting the following prices for a minimum order of 35 items
$85 for Short Sleeve
$90 for Long Sleeve
$95 for the Trainer
Jack Holmgren is suggesting we offer a 2011 PBP commemoration. I am
thinking that this could take the form of extra text on the left breast
area that reads. "2011 Paris Brest Paris Team." It would be embroidered
on the wool items and stenciled on the Voler. No price yet. I'm guessing
$15-$20 more. Let me know your interest.
Finally. Our resident designer, Carlos Duque, is suggesting we deviate
from the current design and offer a different color scheme.
I am attaching some options Carlos has graciously created. Thanks
Carlos. These colors have not yet been vetted through Voler or Woolistic
and the final colors may deviate a bit. Voler has a greater range of
colors than Woolistic and as such a side by side comparison between a
Voler and a Woolistic will likely result in some color tonal variation.
For purposes of this invitation the attached images are the options. A
single design will be ordered for Woolistic and a single design with Voler
assuming we reach the minimums. It is possible that the Voler design and
the Woolistic design are different. I would prefer that they all be the
same. There aren't that many of us San Francisco Randonneurs so having
several designs out there I believe will dilute the effect of our
affiliation. The most requested design will be made, even if the Wool and
Poly versions are different.
Voler Orders take 5-8 Weeks. Woolistic, who uses chinese subcontractor,
will deliver by around Xmas time if we get an order in by Mid August.
Let me know your interest in the next week or so. If you know that some
people are on vacation and may not see this in the next week let me know.
I will report the response results during the week of August 2nd then
narrow the offer. At that point I'll ask if you are still interested. If
so, I'll be in touch, and will need a 50% deposit in another 5-7 days.
After that,assuming minimums are reached, orders will be made.
Design No. 2
Design No. 3
Design No. 4
Todd Teachout
Jersey Coordinator
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mike biswell
| Objecting to the use of the word 'team' for reasons of decency. If we say the word team, we should not have the french piping on the sleeves. One or the other, and I'm more okay with the piping than the 'team' concept, which has the connotation of competition. Regards! Mike |
William A. Monsen
Thanks for all of your hard work on pulling this together.
I would like a short sleeve, full zip, club cut "traditional" colored
jersey from both Woolistic and from Voler (using regular material).
I would also like a wind vest (same color scheme) and a set of arm
warmers.
Regarding the PBP commemoration, it seems like a good idea, although I
am completely on the fence as to whether I give it a go or not.
Thanks again.
Bill
> <IMG_1256.jpg><2010 Voler_Price_List.pdf><redGreenWhiteGrey.png>
>
> Design No. 2
>
>
>
>
> <blueWhiteRed.png>
>
> Design No. 3
>
>
> <blueRedWhiteText.png>
C. Duque
using some of the "official" pbp graphics/logos they have in their
website and just add the 2011 to it modify it a little so it fits our
needs. Check out the "PBP 2011 logos" link in the middle of the page:
http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/pbp2011/index2.php?lang=en&cat=contact&page=media
It is a ZIP file that you'll need to download and expand but it also
contains a bunch on non relevant stuff. For your convenience I am
attaching only the relevant graphics.
Don't know if we would need permission from ACP to do this but we
could easily modify any of them to be a single color to keep cost
down, even remove the tiny text that would be unreadable anyway and
just keep the round shape and the Paris Brest Paris and add 2011. Let
me know if you want me to work on that.
Carlos
Rob Hawks
Greg Merritt
> On the other hand, I'm wondering if it might suppress the
> appeal to other SFR riders who don't plan to go for various reasons.
Bingo. I wouldn't want to endlessly explain that I did not, in fact,
go to PBP despite what the jersey said. I'd only be able to
legitimately wear such a jersey if it came with a big "POSEUR" label
on it. :P
Why not issue a patch to folks to sew to their jerseys after
*returning* from PBP? Or do a commemorative post-PBP version for
anciens?
-Greg
C. Duque
to PBP but plan to again ride a the full SFR series in 2011. Having a
PBP on the jersey feels a little weird to me because I am not riding
it, like I don't deserve to wear it.
However this jersey could also serve as a remainder of the 2011 series
for riders not going to PBP. I guess I could go either way, I tend to
go with jerseys that are simple and without to much stuff on them.
Cost could be the determining factor for me.
Carlos
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Rob Hawks <rob....@gmail.com> wrote:
Roland Bevan
On the PBP-specific, It looks like re-ordering (from Voler) is fairly cheap if there are no design changes, so it seems to make sense to place a "standardized" order for the jerseys without the PBP graphics; then later orders could take advantage of this. If a PBP-specific design is wanted by some that could be a separate order.
-Roland
Gintautas Budvytis
check you email for my preferences).
I like distinct "traditional" SFR blue/white/green design, seen from
far away and always puts a smile on my face.
We should keep qualification in place: SFR ride (or at least NorCal
brevet?).
PBP commemoration patch is a great idea instead of putting something
on a jersey. NorCal rando clubs PBP special jersey is another great
idea (I've seen one for 2007). SFR specific patches can be a
collectors item, great for exchange at PBP and they should be cheaper
than $20 to make. Later we can add LEL, GRR and other patches.
GB
Ken Wronkiewicz
I am interested in a jersey, likely one of the short sleeve Voler ones. Some
of us are alergic to wool. :)
Ely Rodriguez
Carlos, I really like design #3.
However, I agree that having more than one jersey design would dilute
the presence of the original jersey colors/design.
Therefore, I feel like doing another run of the original jersey design
is best.
I would love to have a short sleeve full zip in either fabric and some
arm warmers.
The cotton/synthetic/wool cycling cap is nice too and I will order one
of whatever we decide to get.
I would also order a short or long sleeve wool jersey.
The prices all seem very good and the timeline is fine.
In regards to the PBP designation, I am not going, but I think it
would awesome for those who attend to have some special designation.
I actually think that having an official PBP patch sewn on would be
super cool and official looking.
The custom embroidery is nice too, although I do not like the word
"team". It just seems a bit too racey and competative.
But really, it should be the decision of all of you who are
participating.
As usual, thanks for doing so much work!
-Ely
J.T. Conklin
> I'd like to see what the interest is in [...]
Hi Todd,
I'm interested in both a Voler club cut short sleeve jersey with full
length zipper and a wind vest.
My other club/team (team spike the wonder dog) recently did a Voler
order, and they had a URL where we could create an account, select
what items we wanted (including options like club or race cut, 3/4 or
full length zippers, etc.), and provide payment info. I'm not sure
whether there is an upcharge for this service, but it made our
coordinators' job much easier.
I'm also interested in at least a long sleeve wool jersey. Possibly
a short sleeve as well.
For the Voler kit, I'd prefer keeping the existing green/white/blue;
building a "brand identity" for SFR.
Although I hope to go, I'm rather not have PBP commemorative logos or
embroidery.
--jtc
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potis
preferences - I rather like the new color options as I see the
multiple colors with the retention of the standard logo as
symbolically representing the diversity of SF. I also see the change
as a literal representation of how our club is changing and moving on,
and the passage of time. We as a club are still changing, growing and
developing, and the change in colors would also reflect that.
Who saw Todd T's 1999 pbp jersey while riding this year's populaire
and did not say 'Wow!" I am sure that we all would jump at the chance
for one of those jerseys even if we did not ride PBP that year (or PBP
ever) just because it is so cool, but if it were the standard design
for all PBP jerseys the unique value of that jersey and the moment it
commemorates would be diminished immeasurably.
I always get complements on my black and white wool SFR jersey that I
am sure we will not reproduce anytime soon, but I only get road rage
incidents when I wear the green/white/blue one. I would like a
different color combo, if only for that highly personal (and
admittedly irrational) reason.
C. Duque
polyester and wool jerseys I think keeping the polyester in its
current colors and using more wool appropriate colors for wool should
be considered. Many sport teams use more than one color combination
for their uniforms but they keep a basic design to maintain their
brand identity.
The way I see it, using the current colors on the wool jersey is like
outfitting a nice traditional steel audax/randonneuring/constructeur
bike with all carbon components, 18 bladed spokes wheels etc, it still
moves but it would be much nicer with the correct components. The
colors should take advantage of the medium in this case wool.
I also get only complements on the good old back/white wool jersey
most people comment on the nice retro look of those. I love to use
black on the designs but some members have expressed concern about
wearing black at night and also getting too hot in the summer. Not me,
I love to wear black but those are valid points.
my 2 c
Carlos
Greg Merritt
> I think keeping the polyester in its
> current colors and using more wool appropriate colors for wool should
> be considered.
+1...
> The way I see it, using the current colors on the wool jersey is like
> outfitting a nice traditional steel audax/randonneuring/constructeur
> bike with all carbon components
...+1...
> I also get only complements on the good old back/white wool jersey
> most people comment on the nice retro look of those. I love to use
> black on the designs....I love to wear black
...+1!
-Greg
Rob Hawks
Joseph Maurer MobileMe
Carlos,I have liked the Voler jersey design from the start, but must admit that that opinion has also grown over time. I think seeing other riders in the jersey while on other brevets, doubles, etc is one thing that has worked to intensify my reaction. Given that I've come to like that design so well, it is perhaps natural that my first inclination was to prefer it for a wool version as well. However, I think your points about the much different fabric are quite valid.I'm not a huge fan of black jerseys, but I could live with that style for our new wool jersey quite easily and would rely on the reflective gear I use at night to deal with visibility issues.To your comment of keeping the voler design the same and going with something perhaps different for wool, I would second that perspective.rob
Greg Merritt
<velo...@mac.com> wrote:
> I'm in for #2 or #3 in wool
Chalk up another vote for the "blueWhiteRed.png" wool version...
> And if ever we can get again a black/white one (mine is falling apart ...),
> I will buy that one, too.
> It makes me look happy:
...but I would love to get one in this elegant, simple style!!
-Greg
Bruce Berg
I'm not looking for another Voler jersey at the moment, but would be interested in the arm warmers if that's really being considered. I will comment on the online Voler ordering system. I dealt with it for the Grizzly Peak order and it was wonderful. It could be better, but is much easier on the person working with Voler than it used to be.
I am very interested in the short and long sleeve wool jerseys and trainer. I can easily go either way on the PBP addition. Perhaps it's on either the short or long sleeve version but not both? Just a thought. I will order at least two of those garments. I prefer either of them that do not have the green.
As to the use of the word team, I just looked on Wikipedia and its first sentence is "A team comprises a group of people or animals linked in a common purpose." By that definition, those SFR members who are heading for PBP pretty clearly constitute a team. It does not need to have competitive connotations unless one chooses to include them. So, I'm absolutely fine with that term.
For those not familiar with it, Claus Claussen from Des Peres travel has handed out t-shirts to those American Randdonneurs who use his services for PBP for years and they always say "American Team". I've never heard a complaint about it before and I wear the shirts fairly regularly.
Bruce
Design No. 1
Voler makes several products. Jerseys in long and short sleeve. Wind Jackets. Vests. Arm Warmers. Gloves. Shoe Covers. They do other items but for now we need to limit it to tops.
To do a Voler Order we'll need at least 15 items. I'm attaching the Voler price list. The "stock" jersey has a club cut, a hidden zipper that opens about 1/2 of the front. is a conventional polyester fabric. They will do upgrades to SQ Pro "Elite" fabric for an up charge. Ditto for full length Zippers.
The vests have pockets. The wind jackets don't but fold into a very small package.
I'd like to see what the interest is in
Voler
Short Sleeve Jerseys (specify "regular" or "elite" (knowing there is a $20 up charge))
Long Sleeve Jerseys
Wind Vests
Wind Jackets
Arm Warmers
Gloves
Shoe Covers.
Prices are would depend on Volume Ordered. I'm attaching the Voler Price List. For purposes of this invitation assume the smallest volumes. If the interest is high enough prices will drop a small amount.
I inquired about three Woolistic products. All are wool. They are:
Short Sleeve Jersey
Long Sleeve Jersey
Trainer.
The trainer is essentially a wool jacket or a light wool zippered sweater. The fabric is a tad heavier than the jersey. The weave may be coarser than the jersey knit. There is a full length zipper in the front. the bottom is ribbed to hug your waist/hips. I had a trainer top from a club I belonged to years ago. I wore that as everyday wear.
Woolistic is quoting the following prices for a minimum order of 35 items
$85 for Short Sleeve
$90 for Long Sleeve
$95 for the Trainer
Jack Holmgren is suggesting we offer a 2011 PBP commemoration. I am thinking that this could take the form of extra text on the left breast area that reads. "2011 Paris Brest Paris Team." It would be embroidered on the wool items and stenciled on the Voler. No price yet. I'm guessing $15-$20 more. Let me know your interest.
Finally. Our resident designer, Carlos Duque, is suggesting we deviate from the current design and offer a different color scheme.
I am attaching some options Carlos has graciously created. Thanks Carlos. These colors have not yet been vetted through Voler or Woolistic and the final colors may deviate a bit. Voler has a greater range of colors than Woolistic and as such a side by side comparison between a Voler and a Woolistic will likely result in some color tonal variation.
For purposes of this invitation the attached images are the options. A single design will be ordered for Woolistic and a single design with Voler assuming we reach the minimums. It is possible that the Voler design and the Woolistic design are different. I would prefer that they all be the same. There aren't that many of us San Francisco Randonneurs so having several designs out there I believe will dilute the effect of our affiliation. The most requested design will be made, even if the Wool and Poly versions are different.
Voler Orders take 5-8 Weeks. Woolistic, who uses chinese subcontractor, will deliver by around Xmas time if we get an order in by Mid August.
Let me know your interest in the next week or so. If you know that some people are on vacation and may not see this in the next week let me know.
I will report the response results during the week of August 2nd then narrow the offer. At that point I'll ask if you are still interested. If so, I'll be in touch, and will need a 50% deposit in another 5-7 days. After that,assuming minimums are reached, orders will be made.
Design No. 2
Design No. 3
Design No. 4
Todd Teachout
Jersey Coordinator
Karen Thompson
schemes: the orange seems like a better reflection of the iconic golden
gate bridge.
kt
C. Duque
when selecting that color. The other color, the blue, was used as it
is a favorite among SFR. Just do a search for blue bikes on the
sfrandon archives here and I bet you'll get a bunch of responses.:)
Carlos
Dean Albright
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-Greg
Esteban
Count me in for:
1 Woolistic short sleeve design #3 (blueRedWhiteText.png) - just
beautiful.
1 Voler long sleeve in the existing and now-iconic colors.
***And... how about getting a Woolistic trainer in black/white. Seems
like Woolistic could do those colors rather easily, and the black fits
the bill perfectly for winter jaunts to the cafe, kid's soccer games,
or January jaunts. I'd buy one!
Esteban
Keith Beato
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I've gotten feedback from 40 persons. A few from way out of the area.
36 have indicated a desire to order something.
The Design response has been difficult to tally.
Design 1 (Current Voler Design) 14 firsts, 2 for voler items, 1 Second
Design 2 (redGreenGrey) 2 firsts, 1 for Woolistic, 1 second
Design 3 (blue White Red) 7 firsts, 2 for Woolistic, 3 Second
Design 4 (Blue Red White) 1 first, 1 second, 1 third
Then a woolistic version of the first SF Randonneurs Jersey run from 2007 (Black White and Bridge Logo) - Seven indicated they would order if offered.
There was a strong minority opinion to do the Voler and the Woolistic in different designs. If that were to happen it would be the current design (No. 1) in Voler and Design No. 3 in Woolistic.
The Voler Item Tally is as follows currently: The SS Jersey has 19. The Vest has 8. The wind jacket has 5. Arm Warmers have 4. Gloves have 1
Woolistic Items are as follows. SS Jersey - has 23. the Long Sleeve has 15. The Trainer has 10. Woolistic indicates that the LS/SS Jerseys can be combined to meet the 35 minimum so we're there. If some are still thinking about it let me know.
Two people strongly wanted PBP embroidery. 4 people were interested but not strongly. We got several responses that strongly didn't want PBP embroidery. At this point my inclination is to abandon the idea with the jersey vendors. Local special embroidery may be an option. Someone suggested a patch. That suggestion sent my mind on the way back machine trip - Patches were awarded to finishers of an event rides in the 1960's through the early 90's (maybe even now). Many club cyclists had warm-up or casual jackets full of these patches.
What about a cloisonné pin instead?
Many people didn't indicate the size they need. A few people are still undecided. A few people who expressed interest in wool items in the past have been silent. For now that is ok. But in a few days I will do the "Final"tally and provide direction for next steps.
I've been advised that Voler's prices are determined on the date of shipment. Not Order. So it was suggested the the 2011 Price list be used. So I'm attaching that, now. Sorry. If the new prices change you mind let me know.
Brad Simeral
Size Small
-brad
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>
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> Todd Teachout
> Jersey Coordinator
> On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Todd Teachout wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Blue/Green/White/Red San Francisco Randonneurs Jersey produced by Voler continues to attract interest. PBP is coming real soon and requests for a wool version persists. When we put out the first request for Voler produced SFR Jersey not quite a year ago several people expressed interest in a wool jersey. We ended up going with polyester and Voler but interest in Wool continued.
>
> > I've been in contact with Woolistic and I've gotten a price quote for a wool version of the blue/white/green with red white stripe and the Carlos Duque designed SFR logo.
>
> > I've gotten some suggestions recently so I thought I'd put out everything and see where the greatest interest lies.
>
> > I want to see if people are interested in getting another run of San Francisco Randonneur Jerseys. I'm attaching a photo of the most current design in long sleeve.
>
>
> > Design No. 2
>
> > <blueWhiteRed.png>
>
> > Design No. 3
>
> > <blueRedWhiteText.png>
>
Nathan Shimek
Kley Cardona
Kley
Woolistic design 3 size medium for me!Nate S
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GB
"The more clothes you'll put on, the more intelligent you will look."
On Jul 28, 11:13 pm, Todd Teachout <thte...@sonic.net> wrote:
> The Blue/Green/White/Red San Francisco Randonneurs Jersey produced by Voler continues to attract interest. PBP is coming real soon and requests for a wool version persists. When we put out the first request for Voler produced SFR Jersey not quite a year ago several people expressed interest in a wool jersey. We ended up going with polyester and Voler but interest in Wool continued.
>
> I've been in contact with Woolistic and I've gotten a price quote for a wool version of the blue/white/green with red white stripe and the Carlos Duque designed SFR logo.
>
> Jersey Coordinator
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