Folks - lets switch from RUSA logo jersey only focus for a moment and remember what was done in 2003/ 2007 -- there was a California Jersey created for PBP. Also SFR wool jersey used and both options were used for group photos. You need more than one jersey since as mentioned PBP lasts more than a day. Having a unique jersey that other PBP rider would like to swap for is part of the event. I remember Tim W being mobbed and having to agree to swap the jersey he was wearing. I didn't buy a RUSA PBP jersey before the 2003 PBP event. The DBC PBP jersey was my choice. Think also when you state what your club is to RUSA membership. Do you say RUSA or SFR or DBC or SRR or SCR? I would put more focus on deciding whether we have a California unique jersey or go with our club jerseys. We now have our SFR jerseys. Time to get more if needed. No desperate reason to have PBP on jersey. We get that one from France. But having attention getting Jerseys is part of the event. I recall the Aussie, BC (Canada) and ours got attention last time. Plus others. This time? Portugal and ??
The RUSA logo jersey discussion is in an endless spin with no exit
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Jim Swarzman <jswarz...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi all, from SoCal. Whatever you think of the winning jersey choice, > IMHO if you're going to PBP you should get one as it will be the > "official" RUSA jersey, and I think we should all be wearing it at the > start. But PBP is 3-1/2 days long, and I for one do not plan on > wearing the same jersey the entire time. In that vein, we are > altering the PCH Randos Super Randonneur jersey we designed, for PBP. > Maybe some of you have seen that one. For the PBP jersey we will > incorporate red, white and blue instead of lime green/yellow, and will > include the official PBP logo (possibly modified for proportion). It > will not include "PCH Randos" on it, so it will work for everyone.
> Depending on interest, we may be able to include short sleeve, long > sleeve, vest, jacket and shorts options. So keep it in mind. We'll > hopefully have the final design to show in two or three weeks.
> Regardless of whether many people are interested in what we come up > with, I hope everyone that goes to PBP gets one of the official RUSA > jerseys and that the entire American contingent wears them at the > start.
> Jim Swarzman
> On Feb 15, 7:29 pm, Charles Schroyer <c.schro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have not been with the club very long and am some what hesitant to > speak > > up but feel a need to. I do not wish to step on toes of those that have > put > > in the time and effort to come up with a design that fits everyone likes. > > but tried and true is some what of a cop out, there were many great > designs > > that expressed the greatness of this years PBP and there is the tried and > > true. you can get the same effect by just passing out a patch and sowing > it > > on a old jersey. I hope that those that made the decision on this jersey > > will reconsider their decision for I am one that will be going to Paris > this > > year and I wish to go in style not just retro. > > If the decision is set in stone I ask that you may consider not just one > > design but two give us a choice I am sure some will come up with the > > extra expense for the printing.
> > Humbly > > Chuck Schroyer
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Mark Thomas <m...@muthomas.net> wrote: > > > Rob -
> > > Thanks for the kind words, but rest assured that I can distinguish > > > criticism of the jersey design from personal criticism.
> > > Mark
> > > On Feb 15, 3:53 pm, Rob Hawks <rob.ha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > A few things to note. I belong to another club and that club raises > > > > it's funds for the entire year when it hosts it's annual century. > > > > There is always a T-shirt designed and sold for that event. I've been > > > > a member of that club since 1993 and I've liked about 3 of the jersey > > > > designs over the years. I've been very hesitant to even say on that > > > > club's email list that I didn't like the design. The reason for that > > > > is that while I frequently haven't liked the design, email is not the > > > > best way for me to express that and the chances are too high that > what > > > > I would have written when expressing my dislike would have offended > > > > the designer, the people responsible for selecting the design, and > > > > maybe even the friends of the designer and selection committee. In > > > > that case the designer is some fellow club member and put some level > > > > of effort into submitting the design.
> > > > Anyone may have their own reactions to the design and the choice. If > > > > you choose to comment on the selection of a jersey for RUSA and PBP > > > > 2011, keep in mind that Mark Thomas is a fellow randonneur and RUSA > > > > member, who has put in a tremendous amount of work on behalf of RUSA > > > > and therefore indirectly on behalf of Randonneurs in this country > > > > (which includes all of us). Let's not inadvertently trod on that when > > > > we express our preferences among the various designs and the decision > > > > by the committee.
> > > > rob hawks
> > > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Sterling Hada < > sterling.h...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > If any of you haven't seen the news on the Randon list, the winner > for > > > the > > > > > RUSA jersey contest for PBP 2011 was announced, and the submitted > > > designs > > > > > were posted on the RUSA website. Mark Thomas's design (#11) won, as > the > > > > > judges felt it made the official RUSA jersey more of a collectible > with > > > the > > > > > inclusion of the PBP '11 logo on the shoulder. I have a lot of > respect > > > for > > > > > Mark, and I love his articles in his blog. But honestly, I wasn't > all > > > that > > > > > knocked out by his design. As one commenter already mentioned, the > > > jersey > > > > > looks like clip-art.
> > > > > There will be defenders and detractors of the winning design. I > > > completed > > > > > two designs for the contest but didn't forward them because I got a > bit > > > > > distracted in late November/early December. I'm surprised Carlos > didn't > > > > > submit a design, given his incredible creative talents. I can only > say > > > that > > > > > personally, I wouldn't have chosen Mark's design. The argument for > > > having a > > > > > one-off logo to make the jersey design more collectible can work. > An > > > example > > > > > can be seen here:http://tinyurl.com/4nrurmj. It's conceivable that > > > Mark put > > > > > a lot of thought into his design. If he did, then I would be the > first > > > to > > > > > apologize for saying this. But frankly, the addition of the logos > seems > > > > > almost an afterthought. That detracts from those designs that are > not > > > only > > > > > graphically aesthetically-pleasing, but well thought-out. I think > > > Veronica > > > > > T. put it most succinctly: the jersey that incorporated the State > of > > > Liberty > > > > > was great because it worked on so many different levels.
> > > > > Just my two cents, > > > > > Sterling
> > > > > "I've learned the hard way. Good judgment comes from experience. > > > > > Experience comes from bad judgment." - Galen Rowell > > > > > -- > > > > > This message is from the San Francisco Randonneurs group at Google > > > Groups. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to sfrandon@googlegroups.com > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > sfrandon+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > For group guidelines, visithttp://groups.google.com/group/sfrandon > > > > > For SFR's schedule and general information, visithttp:// > > > sfrandonneurs.org/
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A NorCal jersey is being designed for this year's PBP. It will use the 2007 NorCal design as a basis, with changes. Craig Robertson is doing the work on this and will present what has been accomplished so far at the March 6th Davis PBP Seminar. Although Craig can't make the SFR PBP seminar the day before, he hopes to share what he can at that point with us so that we can present that to our group on March 5th.
I'm just hoping I get far enough this time to have changed jerseys! ;^)
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Richard McCaw <richard.mc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Folks - lets switch from RUSA logo jersey only focus for a moment and > remember what was done in 2003/ 2007 -- there was a California Jersey > created for PBP. Also SFR wool jersey used and both options were used for > group photos. You need more than one jersey since as mentioned PBP lasts > more than a day. Having a unique jersey that other PBP rider would like to > swap for is part of the event. I remember Tim W being mobbed and having to > agree to swap the jersey he was wearing. I didn't buy a RUSA PBP jersey > before the 2003 PBP event. The DBC PBP jersey was my choice. Think also when > you state what your club is to RUSA membership. Do you say RUSA or SFR or > DBC or SRR or SCR? I would put more focus on deciding whether we have a > California unique jersey or go with our club jerseys. We now have our SFR > jerseys. Time to get more if needed. No desperate reason to have PBP on > jersey. We get that one from France. But having attention getting Jerseys is > part of the event. I recall the Aussie, BC (Canada) and ours got attention > last time. Plus others. This time? Portugal and ??
> The RUSA logo jersey discussion is in an endless spin with no exit
> Richard
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Jim Swarzman <jswarz...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi all, from SoCal. Whatever you think of the winning jersey choice, >> IMHO if you're going to PBP you should get one as it will be the >> "official" RUSA jersey, and I think we should all be wearing it at the >> start. But PBP is 3-1/2 days long, and I for one do not plan on >> wearing the same jersey the entire time. In that vein, we are >> altering the PCH Randos Super Randonneur jersey we designed, for PBP. >> Maybe some of you have seen that one. For the PBP jersey we will >> incorporate red, white and blue instead of lime green/yellow, and will >> include the official PBP logo (possibly modified for proportion). It >> will not include "PCH Randos" on it, so it will work for everyone.
>> Depending on interest, we may be able to include short sleeve, long >> sleeve, vest, jacket and shorts options. So keep it in mind. We'll >> hopefully have the final design to show in two or three weeks.
>> Regardless of whether many people are interested in what we come up >> with, I hope everyone that goes to PBP gets one of the official RUSA >> jerseys and that the entire American contingent wears them at the >> start.
>> Jim Swarzman
>> On Feb 15, 7:29 pm, Charles Schroyer <c.schro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I have not been with the club very long and am some what hesitant to >> > speak >> > up but feel a need to. I do not wish to step on toes of those that have >> > put >> > in the time and effort to come up with a design that fits everyone >> > likes. >> > but tried and true is some what of a cop out, there were many great >> > designs >> > that expressed the greatness of this years PBP and there is the tried >> > and >> > true. you can get the same effect by just passing out a patch and sowing >> > it >> > on a old jersey. I hope that those that made the decision on this jersey >> > will reconsider their decision for I am one that will be going to Paris >> > this >> > year and I wish to go in style not just retro. >> > If the decision is set in stone I ask that you may consider not just one >> > design but two give us a choice I am sure some will come up with the >> > extra expense for the printing.
>> > Humbly >> > Chuck Schroyer
>> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Mark Thomas <m...@muthomas.net> wrote: >> > > Rob -
>> > > Thanks for the kind words, but rest assured that I can distinguish >> > > criticism of the jersey design from personal criticism.
>> > > Mark
>> > > On Feb 15, 3:53 pm, Rob Hawks <rob.ha...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > A few things to note. I belong to another club and that club raises >> > > > it's funds for the entire year when it hosts it's annual century. >> > > > There is always a T-shirt designed and sold for that event. I've >> > > > been >> > > > a member of that club since 1993 and I've liked about 3 of the >> > > > jersey >> > > > designs over the years. I've been very hesitant to even say on that >> > > > club's email list that I didn't like the design. The reason for that >> > > > is that while I frequently haven't liked the design, email is not >> > > > the >> > > > best way for me to express that and the chances are too high that >> > > > what >> > > > I would have written when expressing my dislike would have offended >> > > > the designer, the people responsible for selecting the design, and >> > > > maybe even the friends of the designer and selection committee. In >> > > > that case the designer is some fellow club member and put some level >> > > > of effort into submitting the design.
>> > > > Anyone may have their own reactions to the design and the choice. If >> > > > you choose to comment on the selection of a jersey for RUSA and PBP >> > > > 2011, keep in mind that Mark Thomas is a fellow randonneur and RUSA >> > > > member, who has put in a tremendous amount of work on behalf of RUSA >> > > > and therefore indirectly on behalf of Randonneurs in this country >> > > > (which includes all of us). Let's not inadvertently trod on that >> > > > when >> > > > we express our preferences among the various designs and the >> > > > decision >> > > > by the committee.
>> > > > rob hawks
>> > > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Sterling Hada >> > > > <sterling.h...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > If any of you haven't seen the news on the Randon list, the winner >> > > > > for >> > > the >> > > > > RUSA jersey contest for PBP 2011 was announced, and the submitted >> > > designs >> > > > > were posted on the RUSA website. Mark Thomas's design (#11) won, >> > > > > as the >> > > > > judges felt it made the official RUSA jersey more of a collectible >> > > > > with >> > > the >> > > > > inclusion of the PBP '11 logo on the shoulder. I have a lot of >> > > > > respect >> > > for >> > > > > Mark, and I love his articles in his blog. But honestly, I wasn't >> > > > > all >> > > that >> > > > > knocked out by his design. As one commenter already mentioned, the >> > > jersey >> > > > > looks like clip-art.
>> > > > > There will be defenders and detractors of the winning design. I >> > > completed >> > > > > two designs for the contest but didn't forward them because I got >> > > > > a bit >> > > > > distracted in late November/early December. I'm surprised Carlos >> > > > > didn't >> > > > > submit a design, given his incredible creative talents. I can only >> > > > > say >> > > that >> > > > > personally, I wouldn't have chosen Mark's design. The argument for >> > > having a >> > > > > one-off logo to make the jersey design more collectible can work. >> > > > > An >> > > example >> > > > > can be seen here:http://tinyurl.com/4nrurmj. It's conceivable that >> > > Mark put >> > > > > a lot of thought into his design. If he did, then I would be the >> > > > > first >> > > to >> > > > > apologize for saying this. But frankly, the addition of the logos >> > > > > seems >> > > > > almost an afterthought. That detracts from those designs that are >> > > > > not >> > > only >> > > > > graphically aesthetically-pleasing, but well thought-out. I think >> > > Veronica >> > > > > T. put it most succinctly: the jersey that incorporated the State >> > > > > of >> > > Liberty >> > > > > was great because it worked on so many different levels.
>> > > > > Just my two cents, >> > > > > Sterling
>> > > > > "I've learned the hard way. Good judgment comes from experience. >> > > > > Experience comes from bad judgment." - Galen Rowell >> > > > > -- >> > > > > This message is from the San Francisco Randonneurs group at Google >> > > Groups. >> > > > > To post to this group, send email to sfrandon@googlegroups.com >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > > > sfrandon+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> > > > > For group guidelines, visithttp://groups.google.com/group/sfrandon >> > > > > For SFR's schedule and general information, visithttp:// >> > > sfrandonneurs.org/
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All, There was a Davis jersey (long and short) along with wind breakers and vests for PBP in both 1999 and 2003. Ann Lincoln was responsible for it. In 2007, Susan Jacobsen did a NorCal jersey that included the logos from Davis, San Francisco, Santa Cruz, and Santa Rosa. The design for each was pretty much the same with the background color changing from a yellow tan in 1999 to a light blue in 2003 and on to a darker blue in 2007. I don't know if there was anything for 1995 or prior, but Lois might.
This year, I'm working on a similar jersey order and have sent in a deposit to get a production date. My intent is to again go with a similar design, but change the background color. The plan is to have jerseys, short, long, and sleeveless. These should be available in both race and club cuts and in both women and men's versions and with full or 3/4 zip. There should also be vests and wind breakers along with thermal vests and thermal jackets. Voler will be the producer so you can look at their web site and see what each item looks like. http://custom.voler.com/Full_Custom/ The ordering process will be online like with Todd's SF Randonneurs Voler order, and distribution will be through the various RBAs. I do not plan to hold a distribution party like Susan did. As Rob indicated in another e-mail, he'll present the information on March 5 - I plan to be riding the Davis 200k that day. I will be at the Davis presentation on March 6. Right now I don't want to commit to dates until I get confirmation from Voler. Pricing still needs to be calculated; because it's California delivery, sales tax will need to be built in. One thing that will need to be figured out is how people will indicate during the order process which RBA they want the clothing to go to. There will not be skin suits, shorts, or accessories like knee or arm warmers. Voler's pricing is based on a minimum order size. All short sleeve and sleeveless items are in a commom pool and all long sleeve items are in a different pool. In order to get a better price, I've signed up for 100 units in each pool.
One small secret when you are trying to fit Voler jerseys. Because of the way the short sleeve jerseys are made, the full zip option adds about 3/4" to the girth.
----- Original Message ----- From: Richard McCaw To: San Francisco Randonneurs Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:49 AM Subject: California Jersey Re: [SFRandon] Re: RUSA jersey contest winner for PBP2011
Folks - lets switch from RUSA logo jersey only focus for a moment and remember what was done in 2003/ 2007 -- there was a California Jersey created for PBP. Also SFR wool jersey used and both options were used for group photos. You need more than one jersey since as mentioned PBP lasts more than a day. Having a unique jersey that other PBP rider would like to swap for is part of the event. I remember Tim W being mobbed and having to agree to swap the jersey he was wearing. I didn't buy a RUSA PBP jersey before the 2003 PBP event. The DBC PBP jersey was my choice. Think also when you state what your club is to RUSA membership. Do you say RUSA or SFR or DBC or SRR or SCR? I would put more focus on deciding whether we have a California unique jersey or go with our club jerseys. We now have our SFR jerseys. Time to get more if needed. No desperate reason to have PBP on jersey. We get that one from France. But having attention getting Jerseys is part of the event. I recall the Aussie, BC (Canada) and ours got attention last time. Plus others. This time? Portugal and ??
The RUSA logo jersey discussion is in an endless spin with no exit
Richard
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Jim Swarzman <jswarz...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all, from SoCal. Whatever you think of the winning jersey choice, IMHO if you're going to PBP you should get one as it will be the "official" RUSA jersey, and I think we should all be wearing it at the start. But PBP is 3-1/2 days long, and I for one do not plan on wearing the same jersey the entire time. In that vein, we are altering the PCH Randos Super Randonneur jersey we designed, for PBP. Maybe some of you have seen that one. For the PBP jersey we will incorporate red, white and blue instead of lime green/yellow, and will include the official PBP logo (possibly modified for proportion). It will not include "PCH Randos" on it, so it will work for everyone.
Depending on interest, we may be able to include short sleeve, long sleeve, vest, jacket and shorts options. So keep it in mind. We'll hopefully have the final design to show in two or three weeks.
Regardless of whether many people are interested in what we come up with, I hope everyone that goes to PBP gets one of the official RUSA jerseys and that the entire American contingent wears them at the start.
Jim Swarzman
On Feb 15, 7:29 pm, Charles Schroyer <c.schro...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have not been with the club very long and am some what hesitant to speak > up but feel a need to. I do not wish to step on toes of those that have put > in the time and effort to come up with a design that fits everyone likes. > but tried and true is some what of a cop out, there were many great designs > that expressed the greatness of this years PBP and there is the tried and > true. you can get the same effect by just passing out a patch and sowing it > on a old jersey. I hope that those that made the decision on this jersey > will reconsider their decision for I am one that will be going to Paris this > year and I wish to go in style not just retro. > If the decision is set in stone I ask that you may consider not just one > design but two give us a choice I am sure some will come up with the > extra expense for the printing.
> Humbly > Chuck Schroyer
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Mark Thomas <m...@muthomas.net> wrote: > > Rob -
> > Thanks for the kind words, but rest assured that I can distinguish > > criticism of the jersey design from personal criticism.
> > Mark
> > On Feb 15, 3:53 pm, Rob Hawks <rob.ha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > A few things to note. I belong to another club and that club raises > > > it's funds for the entire year when it hosts it's annual century. > > > There is always a T-shirt designed and sold for that event. I've been > > > a member of that club since 1993 and I've liked about 3 of the jersey > > > designs over the years. I've been very hesitant to even say on that > > > club's email list that I didn't like the design. The reason for that > > > is that while I frequently haven't liked the design, email is not the > > > best way for me to express that and the chances are too high that what > > > I would have written when expressing my dislike would have offended > > > the designer, the people responsible for selecting the design, and > > > maybe even the friends of the designer and selection committee. In > > > that case the designer is some fellow club member and put some level > > > of effort into submitting the design.
> > > Anyone may have their own reactions to the design and the choice. If > > > you choose to comment on the selection of a jersey for RUSA and PBP > > > 2011, keep in mind that Mark Thomas is a fellow randonneur and RUSA > > > member, who has put in a tremendous amount of work on behalf of RUSA > > > and therefore indirectly on behalf of Randonneurs in this country > > > (which includes all of us). Let's not inadvertently trod on that when > > > we express our preferences among the various designs and the decision > > > by the committee.
> > > rob hawks
> > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Sterling Hada <sterling.h...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > If any of you haven't seen the news on the Randon list, the winner for > > the > > > > RUSA jersey contest for PBP 2011 was announced, and the submitted > > designs > > > > were posted on the RUSA website. Mark Thomas's design (#11) won, as the > > > > judges felt it made the official RUSA jersey more of a collectible with > > the > > > > inclusion of the PBP '11 logo on the shoulder. I have a lot of respect > > for > > > > Mark, and I love his articles in his blog. But honestly, I wasn't all > > that > > > > knocked out by his design. As one commenter already mentioned, the > > jersey > > > > looks like clip-art.
> > > > There will be defenders and detractors of the winning design. I > > completed > > > > two designs for the contest but didn't forward them because I got a bit > > > > distracted in late November/early December. I'm surprised Carlos didn't > > > > submit a design, given his incredible creative talents. I can only say > > that > > > > personally, I wouldn't have chosen Mark's design. The argument for > > having a > > > > one-off logo to make the jersey design more collectible can work. An > > example > > > > can be seen here:http://tinyurl.com/4nrurmj. It's conceivable that > > Mark put > > > > a lot of thought into his design. If he did, then I would be the first > > to > > > > apologize for saying this. But frankly, the addition of the logos seems > > > > almost an afterthought. That detracts from those designs that are not > > only > > > > graphically aesthetically-pleasing, but well thought-out. I think > > Veronica > > > > T. put it most succinctly: the jersey that incorporated the State of > > Liberty > > > > was great because it worked on so many different levels.
