OT: way to go CAS
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Trinh
Feb 9, 2012, 10:12:02 PM2/9/12
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it only took nearly six years...
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/02/news/cas-bans-retired-ullrich-for-blood-doping_205994
ps. i still like him. not many people can come into the biggest race
overweight and still finish 2nd.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/02/news/cas-bans-retired-ullrich-for-blood-doping_205994
ps. i still like him. not many people can come into the biggest race
overweight and still finish 2nd.
Brett Lider
Feb 9, 2012, 10:27:08 PM2/9/12
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I'll like him if he makes a full confession and doesn't get into confidence-destroying shenanigans like Floyd and Hamilton. He'd be the 2nd TdF winner to confess to doping but it could be so much more meaningful because he was in the sport longer and more prominently than Floyd or Hammie.
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Dave Blizard
Feb 9, 2012, 10:57:50 PM2/9/12
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Yeah been an interesting week with Contador's conviction and Lance's case being dismissed. What's next ??
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djconnel
Feb 9, 2012, 11:58:12 PM2/9/12
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Maurice Garin is going down.... mark my words.
And you thought just tobacco was in those cigarettes.
On Feb 9, 7:57 pm, Dave Blizard <davebliz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah been an interesting week with Contador's conviction and Lance's case being dismissed. What's next ??
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> -D
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> Typed with thumbs on iPhone. Typo's don't count.
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And you thought just tobacco was in those cigarettes.
On Feb 9, 7:57 pm, Dave Blizard <davebliz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah been an interesting week with Contador's conviction and Lance's case being dismissed. What's next ??
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> Typed with thumbs on iPhone. Typo's don't count.
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Scott Crosby
Feb 10, 2012, 1:46:02 PM2/10/12
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Pantani was EPO'd to the bejeezus and I'm sure all the 90s/00s winners such as Indurain were too -- it was a must to be competitive. singling out a few of the winners seems silly when they were all doing it. why promote the 2nd place doper over the faster doper? dumb. unless they can reliably ID every single doper from a given year and promote the one clean guy, it's a pointless exercise.
they should pick an arbitrary year and just let sleeping dogs lie. 2005 say.
and yes, Jan Ullrich rules. he's the only guy who pushes a bigger gear than lurch. 53x11 up ventoux FTW!
djconnel
Feb 10, 2012, 1:55:21 PM2/10/12
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Agree with Scott... interesting exercise to find the first guy in GC
who hasn't and shouldn't have been DQ'ed based on doping issues during
career.
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2005/tour05/?id=results/tour0521
In the top 20, Evans, Julich, and I think that's it. And I suspect
those two as well (Julich improved A LOT when he joined CSC, and Evans
climbing performance has dropped with the trend upon the introduction
of CERA testing).
1 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery Channel
86.15.02 (41.654 km/h)
2 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team
CSC 4.40
3 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile
Team 6.21
4 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse
d'Epargne 9.59
5 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) T-Mobile
Team 11.01
6 Levi Leipheimer (USA)
Gerolsteiner 11.21
7 Michael Rasmussen (Den)
Rabobank 11.33
8 Cadel Evans (Aus) Davitamon-
Lotto 11.55
9 Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak Hearing
Systems 12.44
10 Oscar Pereiro Sio (Spa) Phonak Hearing
Systems 16.04
11 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Credit
Agricole 16.26
12 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Discovery
Channel 19.02
13 Eddy Mazzoleni (Ita) Lampre-
Caffita 21.06
14 George Hincapie (USA) Discovery
Channel 23.40
15 Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) Euskaltel-
Euskadi 23.43
16 Jörg Jaksche (Ger) Liberty Seguros-
Würth 24.07
17 Bobby Julich (USA) Team
CSC 24.08
18 Oscar Sevilla (Spa) T-Mobile
Team 27.45
19 Andrei Kashechkin (Kaz) Credit
Agricole 28.04
20 Giuseppe Guerini (Ita) T-Mobile
Team 33.02
who hasn't and shouldn't have been DQ'ed based on doping issues during
career.
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2005/tour05/?id=results/tour0521
In the top 20, Evans, Julich, and I think that's it. And I suspect
those two as well (Julich improved A LOT when he joined CSC, and Evans
climbing performance has dropped with the trend upon the introduction
of CERA testing).
1 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery Channel
86.15.02 (41.654 km/h)
2 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team
CSC 4.40
3 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile
Team 6.21
4 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse
d'Epargne 9.59
5 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) T-Mobile
Team 11.01
6 Levi Leipheimer (USA)
Gerolsteiner 11.21
7 Michael Rasmussen (Den)
Rabobank 11.33
8 Cadel Evans (Aus) Davitamon-
Lotto 11.55
9 Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak Hearing
Systems 12.44
10 Oscar Pereiro Sio (Spa) Phonak Hearing
Systems 16.04
11 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Credit
Agricole 16.26
12 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Discovery
Channel 19.02
13 Eddy Mazzoleni (Ita) Lampre-
Caffita 21.06
14 George Hincapie (USA) Discovery
Channel 23.40
15 Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) Euskaltel-
Euskadi 23.43
16 Jörg Jaksche (Ger) Liberty Seguros-
Würth 24.07
17 Bobby Julich (USA) Team
CSC 24.08
18 Oscar Sevilla (Spa) T-Mobile
Team 27.45
19 Andrei Kashechkin (Kaz) Credit
Agricole 28.04
20 Giuseppe Guerini (Ita) T-Mobile
Team 33.02
Peter Chang
Feb 10, 2012, 1:56:42 PM2/10/12
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Le 10 février 2012 10:46, Scott Crosby <scr...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> why promote the 2nd
> place doper over the faster doper? dumb. unless they can reliably ID every
> single doper from a given year and promote the one clean guy, it's a
> pointless exercise.
> why promote the 2nd
> place doper over the faster doper? dumb. unless they can reliably ID every
> single doper from a given year and promote the one clean guy, it's a
> pointless exercise.
there was an awesome rec.bikes.racing thread trying to do just this.
based on things like the millar line (maybe it was the leipheimer line
back then) they went back to something like 12th place to find someone
that was 'somewhat likely' not to be doping. then again it was someone
like ullrich (a product of the east-german system) so even then it was
a little unclear what 'clean' really meant.
it did mean that the french finally had a shot at the tour though
(well, virenque was clearly out but jalabert did recreate himself to
win a maillot à pois).
\p
Brett Lider
Feb 10, 2012, 3:04:34 PM2/10/12
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Here is Ulrich's statement:
I accept the award and will not challenge him. Not because I agree with all points in the court's opinion, but because I want to finish the issue definitively. Personal consequences, I've pulled back in 2007 with the retirement from professional cycling. I confirm that I had contact with Fuentes. I know that that was a big mistake that I regret very much. For this behavior, I would like to sincerely apologize to everyone - I'm very sorry. Looking back, I would act in certain situations during my career differently.
I wanted to get out of the Tour 2006 everything again. After my tour victory in 1997 and five second places in the public, sponsors and also my own pressure was immense. Everyone wanted a second tour victory, especially after the retirement of Lance Armstrong.
Shortly before the 2006 tour, it then makes a big impact: Suspension, headlines, ostracism, house searches, criminal complaints. I felt alone, like as if through a sieve. The whole world wanted to put me against the wall and then I went instinctively to cover, have retired for now. As I said, I will not complain that not everything was good reason. I was even then, shortly after my suspension, the mistake I made, to admit publicly, but my hands were tied. On the advice of my lawyers, and as is usual in such cases, I have been silent on the allegations. Ultimately, this issue has me for years so polluted that I was sick and I eventually broke down.
I am glad that finally a decision was made. For me it is the capital of my active career in cycling finalized and it is very personal for me and my family for years to come the end of a difficult time. Today's award is for me and my future plans to change anything. I never thought in any capacity to return to active professional cycling. This statement is from my side all is said on this subject and I would like to make any further statements, statements or interviews in public. I hope for your understanding. I hereby draw a line.
I owe a lot to cycling and will continue to further express my joy and passion for the sport to others. In the future I will therefore also in various functions and departments in everyman cycling to be active. I look back on my cycling career and accomplishments with pride and look forward to my new career.
Jan Ullrich
STATEMENT BY JAN ULLRICH TO JUDGMENT CAS - FINAL LINE IN THE PAST
Scherzingen (Switzerland) - The Court of Arbitration has now blocked me for two years. This award brings disciplinary proceedings to an end, which has lasted almost three years. This sport legal tug of war was unsatisfactory for all concerned for myself as for the public. It is incomprehensible to me why we all had to wait so long for this judgment.I accept the award and will not challenge him. Not because I agree with all points in the court's opinion, but because I want to finish the issue definitively. Personal consequences, I've pulled back in 2007 with the retirement from professional cycling. I confirm that I had contact with Fuentes. I know that that was a big mistake that I regret very much. For this behavior, I would like to sincerely apologize to everyone - I'm very sorry. Looking back, I would act in certain situations during my career differently.
I wanted to get out of the Tour 2006 everything again. After my tour victory in 1997 and five second places in the public, sponsors and also my own pressure was immense. Everyone wanted a second tour victory, especially after the retirement of Lance Armstrong.
Shortly before the 2006 tour, it then makes a big impact: Suspension, headlines, ostracism, house searches, criminal complaints. I felt alone, like as if through a sieve. The whole world wanted to put me against the wall and then I went instinctively to cover, have retired for now. As I said, I will not complain that not everything was good reason. I was even then, shortly after my suspension, the mistake I made, to admit publicly, but my hands were tied. On the advice of my lawyers, and as is usual in such cases, I have been silent on the allegations. Ultimately, this issue has me for years so polluted that I was sick and I eventually broke down.
I am glad that finally a decision was made. For me it is the capital of my active career in cycling finalized and it is very personal for me and my family for years to come the end of a difficult time. Today's award is for me and my future plans to change anything. I never thought in any capacity to return to active professional cycling. This statement is from my side all is said on this subject and I would like to make any further statements, statements or interviews in public. I hope for your understanding. I hereby draw a line.
I owe a lot to cycling and will continue to further express my joy and passion for the sport to others. In the future I will therefore also in various functions and departments in everyman cycling to be active. I look back on my cycling career and accomplishments with pride and look forward to my new career.
Jan Ullrich
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