Some will know that I was instrumental in starting Schoolforge-UK along with Richard, Ian, Chris, Steve, Jo and others, and more recently I've been teaching part time at a small independent school.
I'm now writing to ask for help, specifically from anyone with hands-on experience of getting Windows, Macs and printers to play nicely together with Linux thin client servers.
Three years ago, with help from a local Linux guru, we set up a network using donated machines running CentOS, including two K12LTSP classroom servers and a central LDAP/file server. We did succeed in getting a few Windows machines to log in, but they've never been really satisfactory as networked machines.
The school has finally entered the 21st century and we're receiving demands to increase the IT provision from several departments. Unfortunately, one or two teachers who come from state schools are calling for the "industry standard" network. While respecting their opinions, I naturally believe we should continue developing a mixed environment provided we can make it work really well for everyone including Mac users.
Please reply off list if you have hands-on experience of a similar mixed environment and would be willing to advise us on pulling it all together. I have to show that we have access to the necessary expertise, and if I can stave off the "industry standard" brigade, we may be able to make a modest payment towards time and expenses.
Well, I'm industry and the standard is changing ;)
You have a samba server and the Windows clients can't log in? Or can log in but can't access the same file shares as the Linux and Mac clients? We don't have Macs but have Linux and Windows cohabiting reasonably well, with majority of backend services Linux provided.
Printers is all CUPS/SMB - everything can print to those; if you need quota on a per user I believe you need an ident daemon installing on Windows, but the Macs and Linux clients should work fine.
And frankly, users without indepth expertise (meaning know of more than one way to meet their needs) do not have any right to call for a particular solution; they should describe their needs and the experts provide solutions; i.e. opinions I respect, but only if they are informed ones. The concept that teachers (for example) are the best people to select technologies for use in schools is highly misguided and why we have had little progress in education ICT, and BSF and its innovation sapping approaches to ICT. I got pointed at some "innovations" recently which looked remarkably like stuff that was being done 5 years ago. Turned out the innovation was building it all on Microsoft technologies...
Anyway, happy to help if no one more qualified can :)
> Some will know that I was instrumental in starting Schoolforge-UK > along with Richard, Ian, Chris, Steve, Jo and others, and more > recently I've been teaching part time at a small independent school.
> I'm now writing to ask for help, specifically from anyone with > hands-on experience of getting Windows, Macs and printers to play > nicely together with Linux thin client servers.
> Three years ago, with help from a local Linux guru, we set up a > network using donated machines running CentOS, including two K12LTSP > classroom servers and a central LDAP/file server. We did succeed in > getting a few Windows machines to log in, but they've never been > really satisfactory as networked machines.
> The school has finally entered the 21st century and we're receiving > demands to increase the IT provision from several departments. > Unfortunately, one or two teachers who come from state schools are > calling for the "industry standard" network. While respecting their > opinions, I naturally believe we should continue developing a mixed > environment provided we can make it work really well for everyone > including Mac users.
> Please reply off list if you have hands-on experience of a similar > mixed environment and would be willing to advise us on pulling it all > together. I have to show that we have access to the necessary > expertise, and if I can stave off the "industry standard" brigade, we > may be able to make a modest payment towards time and expenses.
> With best wishes to everyone,
> John
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On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Chris Puttick <cputt...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, I'm industry and the standard is changing ;)
> You have a samba server and the Windows clients can't log in? Or can log in > but can't access the same file shares as the Linux and Mac clients? We don't > have Macs but have Linux and Windows cohabiting reasonably well, with > majority of backend services Linux provided.
> Printers is all CUPS/SMB - everything can print to those; if you need quota > on a per user I believe you need an ident daemon installing on Windows, but > the Macs and Linux clients should work fine.
> And frankly, users without indepth expertise (meaning know of more than one > way to meet their needs) do not have any right to call for a particular > solution; they should describe their needs and the experts provide
Might be worth digging out the OFSTED report March 2009 The Importance of ICT. It positively calls for diversity of experience and is critical of mindless adherence to terms like industry standard that means bright children keep repeating the same old powerpoints they were doing in primary school.
The biggest developments and trends are Cloud and web based applications. Indeed the EU and the UK expect all children to have e-portfolios on-line this year.
Why not contact the OSC? If you save on licenses and put that into support soemone there I'm sure would be able to give you help. If there is no money then there is no money for "industry standard" licenses either ;-)
> solutions; i.e. opinions I respect, but only if they are informed ones. The > concept that teachers (for example) are the best people to select > technologies for use in schools is highly misguided and why we have had > little progress in education ICT, and BSF and its innovation sapping > approaches to ICT. I got pointed at some "innovations" recently which looked > remarkably like stuff that was being done 5 years ago. Turned out the > innovation was building it all on Microsoft technologies...
> Anyway, happy to help if no one more qualified can :)
>> Some will know that I was instrumental in starting Schoolforge-UK >> along with Richard, Ian, Chris, Steve, Jo and others, and more >> recently I've been teaching part time at a small independent school.
>> I'm now writing to ask for help, specifically from anyone with >> hands-on experience of getting Windows, Macs and printers to play >> nicely together with Linux thin client servers.
>> Three years ago, with help from a local Linux guru, we set up a >> network using donated machines running CentOS, including two K12LTSP >> classroom servers and a central LDAP/file server. We did succeed in >> getting a few Windows machines to log in, but they've never been >> really satisfactory as networked machines.
>> The school has finally entered the 21st century and we're receiving >> demands to increase the IT provision from several departments. >> Unfortunately, one or two teachers who come from state schools are >> calling for the "industry standard" network. While respecting their >> opinions, I naturally believe we should continue developing a mixed >> environment provided we can make it work really well for everyone >> including Mac users.
>> Please reply off list if you have hands-on experience of a similar >> mixed environment and would be willing to advise us on pulling it all >> together. I have to show that we have access to the necessary >> expertise, and if I can stave off the "industry standard" brigade, we >> may be able to make a modest payment towards time and expenses.
>> With best wishes to everyone,
>> John
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* Differentiate the specific requirements for meeting minimal levels of quality of service (QoS) for individual open-source projects based on maturity and adopter profile. * Integrate commercial open-source support strategies into broader enterprise software asset management initiatives. * Plan for changes in historical open-source licensing and business models driven by emerging software as a service (SaaS) and cloud-computing infrastructures.
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> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Chris Puttick <cputt...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Well, I'm industry and the standard is changing ;)
>> You have a samba server and the Windows clients can't log in? Or can log in >> but can't access the same file shares as the Linux and Mac clients? We don't >> have Macs but have Linux and Windows cohabiting reasonably well, with >> majority of backend services Linux provided.
>> Printers is all CUPS/SMB - everything can print to those; if you need quota >> on a per user I believe you need an ident daemon installing on Windows, but >> the Macs and Linux clients should work fine.
>> And frankly, users without indepth expertise (meaning know of more than one >> way to meet their needs) do not have any right to call for a particular >> solution; they should describe their needs and the experts provide > Might be worth digging out the OFSTED report March 2009 The Importance > of ICT. It positively calls for diversity of experience and is > critical of mindless adherence to terms like industry standard that > means bright children keep repeating the same old powerpoints they > were doing in primary school.
> The biggest developments and trends are Cloud and web based > applications. Indeed the EU and the UK expect all children to have > e-portfolios on-line this year.
> Why not contact the OSC? If you save on licenses and put that into > support soemone there I'm sure would be able to give you help. If > there is no money then there is no money for "industry standard" > licenses either ;-)
>> solutions; i.e. opinions I respect, but only if they are informed ones. The
>> concept that teachers (for example) are the best people to select >> technologies for use in schools is highly misguided and why we have had >> little progress in education ICT, and BSF and its innovation sapping >> approaches to ICT. I got pointed at some "innovations" recently which looked >> remarkably like stuff that was being done 5 years ago. Turned out the >> innovation was building it all on Microsoft technologies...
>> Anyway, happy to help if no one more qualified can :)
>>> Some will know that I was instrumental in starting Schoolforge-UK >>> along with Richard, Ian, Chris, Steve, Jo and others, and more >>> recently I've been teaching part time at a small independent school.
>>> I'm now writing to ask for help, specifically from anyone with >>> hands-on experience of getting Windows, Macs and printers to play >>> nicely together with Linux thin client servers.
>>> Three years ago, with help from a local Linux guru, we set up a >>> network using donated machines running CentOS, including two K12LTSP >>> classroom servers and a central LDAP/file server. We did succeed in >>> getting a few Windows machines to log in, but they've never been >>> really satisfactory as networked machines.
>>> The school has finally entered the 21st century and we're receiving >>> demands to increase the IT provision from several departments. >>> Unfortunately, one or two teachers who come from state schools are >>> calling for the "industry standard" network. While respecting their >>> opinions, I naturally believe we should continue developing a mixed >>> environment provided we can make it work really well for everyone >>> including Mac users.
>>> Please reply off list if you have hands-on experience of a similar >>> mixed environment and would be willing to advise us on pulling it all >>> together. I have to show that we have access to the necessary >>> expertise, and if I can stave off the "industry standard" brigade, we >>> may be able to make a modest payment towards time and expenses.
>>> With best wishes to everyone,
>>> John
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John, I have the set-up you describe, only debian-edu, not centos. I survived a bod-initiated instruction from the head to “make everything windows'“. Maybe ican answer some questions.
Nigel
On Dec 18, 2009 9:47 PM, "John Ingleby" <j...@coronet.co.uk> wrote:
Some will know that I was instrumental in starting Schoolforge-UK along with Richard, Ian, Chris, Steve, Jo and others, and more recently I've been teaching part time at a small independent school.
I'm now writing to ask for help, specifically from anyone with hands-on experience of getting Windows, Macs and printers to play nicely together with Linux thin client servers.
Three years ago, with help from a local Linux guru, we set up a network using donated machines running CentOS, including two K12LTSP classroom servers and a central LDAP/file server. We did succeed in getting a few Windows machines to log in, but they've never been really satisfactory as networked machines.
The school has finally entered the 21st century and we're receiving demands to increase the IT provision from several departments. Unfortunately, one or two teachers who come from state schools are calling for the "industry standard" network. While respecting their opinions, I naturally believe we should continue developing a mixed environment provided we can make it work really well for everyone including Mac users.
Please reply off list if you have hands-on experience of a similar mixed environment and would be willing to advise us on pulling it all together. I have to show that we have access to the necessary expertise, and if I can stave off the "industry standard" brigade, we may be able to make a modest payment towards time and expenses.
With best wishes to everyone,
John
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Thank you each and every one for your replies, it's good to see the list is still active and widely read (even apparently in Japan!). The Ofsted and Gartner reports make good reading, and I will definitely use them in my meeting with the Trustees.
I will reply individually to those who have generously offered their help, for which I am also very grateful.
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