MSN/ Windows Live and Yahoo indexed our site perfectly...
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fail to do the same?
This has been a tough problem to resolve ever since I changed my site
to the asp.net platform from html. Again, Windows Live and Yahoo
indexed the new site as expected and Google has failed in ways
unexpected and without a way to control or to resolve the way it has
indexed the site. The degree to which it has failed to recognize the
new site does not stand to a given reason or logic. The list of 2500
products submitted to Google Base sometimes show in results as they
should other times not all. Instead of the page where an item is
listed, the Google search results will instead show a link to the Home
page. Most all of the time there are not any results to be found even
though the webmaster control panel states there are as many as 11,953
URL's listed.
I can submit the sitemap again, or update the product feed to Google
Base, and still there is no change.
Any suggestions are welcome.
Thank you,
Arpit Tambi
Take Charge Of Your Destiny - http://www.ask-oracle.com - You future is in your GRIP !!
Harsh
Google is not indexing "AJEX" based application, so it may be your
problem through asp.net.
Thanks
Hariom Shaurya
http://www.seo4india.co.in
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ever since.
Redirects were handled as best as able, and now the old HTML pages are
mostly gone from the SE listings.
We have so much riding on the effeciency and the effectivness of searh
engines, to lose what we had gained is a lot to bear. We are always
now at the whim of the search engine, regardless of who we are as a
company.
Again, MSN Live indexed the site perfectly. Google has fallen over
itself it has performed so badly. Add in the additional non-
performance issues regarding Google Base items and as a company of ten
years online, we've been quashed by the antics of those whose advise
prevails with the same authority as they exude with their programming
niche.
The problem is still not resolved nor within reason to be corrected
anytime soon. The webmaster control center indicates all systems are
go. No errors, and page listings in the thousands that never appear.
On Aug 8, 3:20 am, "Arpit Tambi" <smartar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> when did u make the new website live? if you did not permanent redirect the
> old pages, no body is sure if they could regain their old top positions.
>
> On 8/8/07, node 1 <M...@fabricstodyefor.com> wrote:
>
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>
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>
>
> > Why if MSN Live and Yahoo both index a website perfectly would Google
> > fail to do the same?
>
> > This has been a tough problem to resolve ever since I changed my site
> > to the asp.net platform from html. Again, Windows Live and Yahoo
> > indexed the new site as expected and Google has failed in ways
> > unexpected and without a way to control or to resolve the way it has
> > indexed the site. The degree to which it has failed to recognize the
> > new site does not stand to a given reason or logic. The list of 2500
> > products submitted to Google Base sometimes show in results as they
> > should other times not all. Instead of the page where an item is
> > listed, the Google search results will instead show a link to the Home
> > page. Most all of the time there are not any results to be found even
> > though the webmaster control panel states there are as many as 11,953
> > URL's listed.
>
> > I can submit the sitemap again, or update the product feed to Google
> > Base, and still there is no change.
>
> > Any suggestions are welcome.
>
> > Thank you,
>
> > fabricstodyefor.com
>
> --
> Thanks
> Arpit Tambi
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> Take Charge Of Your Destiny -http://www.ask-oracle.com- You future is in
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Until recently we enjoyed robust online sales from a company we began
ten years ago. We've worked to build a customer base but always have
relied on new business to keep us going. A good month would have sales
around $5000 or so. Google has a controlling interest in the success
or failure of how well our online sales can be. It seems a bit of a
disadvantage however when a search engine such as MSN Live indexes a
site and Google does not recognize the site in the same way. There is
without question a set of standards that we the internet, must adapt
or adopt too, the end result is still in control of the directory that
controls the information that is given for the listings within any
respective search engine directory. So much focus is given to the SEO
game but little if any is given to the premise and basis of the amount
of control the company that owns the directory has on the market place
and how if it chooses can filter and screen standardized formats such
as asp.net and in no uncertain terms discount and ignore information
that is accepted in one directory and not in its own.
Regards,
Mark
Fabricstodyefor.com
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Arpit Tambi
To Organix, Google is much more strict than any other search engine. It kicks and bans for all crimes. Sometimes it also penalizes good websites for no reason.
> Take Charge Of Your Destiny - http://www.ask-oracle.com- You future is in
> your GRIP !!- Hide quoted text -
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Arpit Tambi
To Organix, Google is much more strict than any other search engine. It kicks and bans for all crimes. Sometimes it also penalizes good websites for no reason.
> Take Charge Of Your Destiny - http://www.ask-oracle.com- You future is in
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organix
Why would the mighty Google, for no good reason, not place a well
indexed site, one that has unique and quality content, in their
SERPs ? Again, Yahoo and MSN seem to handle them quite nicely.
So if Google's "strictness" is the problem, then why doesn't Cutts set
out ALL of the guidelines for proper inclusion in the SERPs ?
Unless we assume that he is a complete and total bumbling idiot, we
must accept the fact that he knows exactly what his mission is, and
that is to manage the algorithms in such a way as to favor the
generation of revenues for Google owners and shareholders.
People like you can speculate all you want, Arpit. The root of the
problem is that Cutts is under no obligation to explain anything to
any site owners except to those who contribute to his pay cheque
through their AdWords campaigns. To top it all off, Cutts himself
probably isn't aware of all of the nuances and results of his
algorithms.
Let's dance Arpit.
I'll drum.
You join in too Matt.
all ......... pay .......... rythm
all ......... pay .......... rythm
all ......... pay .......... rythm
[organix]
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perfectly. MSN Windows Live purged the old HTML pages, then indexed to
a perfect degree he new site based upon he asp.net platfom. The second
point is that this process takes too long. The business we've lost has
gone to our friends at Dharma tradin and I'm sure they know i now.
Perhaps a bump up of $10,000.
Honestly, with that much of a drop in sales while waiting for the site
to be indexed, and then only to learn that Google has its own agenda
and criteria, is rather bitter sweet.
If Google had performed as well as MSN/Live then I could focus my
attention on our ecommerce business instead of being caught in a
random state of ill fated repair waiting for Google to justify the
listings in a site it has known for the past ten years which simply
changed platfoms from HTML to asp.net using a state of the art
ecommerce platfom designed and developed by aspdnsf.
On Aug 9, 12:55 pm, "Arpit Tambi" <smartar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To Mark, your site seemed to be perfect when I saw it. There could be a few
> possible reasons, like Google may think the site's ownership has been
> changed. Other possible reason could be that your site's dynamic code could
> be violating google's guidelines. I think you must switch to AdWords,
> recheck your ASP.NET code and watch the Google's Webmaster control to check
> the number and quality of backlinks to your site. Feel free to contact me.
>
> To Organix, Google is much more strict than any other search engine. It
> kicks and bans for all crimes. Sometimes it also penalizes good websites for
> no reason.
>
> > > Take Charge Of Your Destiny -http://www.ask-oracle.com-You future is
> > in
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> --
> Thanks
> Arpit Tambi
> ------------------------------------------
> Take Charge Of Your Destiny -http://www.ask-oracle.com- You future is in
Arpit Tambi
This site too went a change from static html to PHP this May (we changed our server too). The site worked well on Google and MSN before the change and was found nowhere on Yahoo. We had introduced a blog this time and RSS feeds too. After the change.. within 7 days new site was picked up Google (it indexed new pages but didnt remove the old ones). We're still waiting for MSN to complete its game. Yahoo did pick up the new pages but no change to the rankings. Finally, traffic from Google has doubled, no change at MSN and Yahoo. So does that means Yahoo and MSN/LIVE want me sign up their ad programs??? or Does that means Yahoo hates me for nothing? (on Yahoo a directory created a problem for me, its dynamic pages created thousands of backlinks to this site overnight, and yahoo slapped us.)
You have to think from the SE's point of view. It has to crawl, index and rate billions of Web Pages. There is no human involvement (that means computers do what they're told to do). Internationally Google covers more than 75% market share. Yes thats too much and thats monopoly. Google doesnt know you or your site. One of its 700+ algorithms might have raised a red flag(a big one I guess) for something upsetting something wrong(as google see's it) on your site. It could be a problem with your host, your ASP.NET settings or code(Google may think that your code might be trying to trick the SE, so slap it.) and Probably it thinks site's ownership has been changed.
Your too much dependence on Google has made losses to you. That's why I always advice my clients not to go just for SEO, go for a complete Internet Marketing, that includes introducing affiliates, lots of partner sites, link-baiting and other strategies. So if one or two website is not working well it shouldn't affect your business. One can't wait for months for Google to turn polite and consider us.
To organix, you might be correct to some extent but I still trust google (actually have no other choices). And do you think they should tell us everything? Within 2 weeks people like me and you will spoil and spam the SE. I trust Google, my observations and market trends and I don't trust Matt Cutt... why should one? For every YESs and NOs, all website owners should turn to AdWords, Yahoo Overture and MSN AdCenter. There is lots of traffic and market share that could be captured for pennies. (and yes why should Google provide a free search service to all people, and if you think it should, it should get money from somewhere...)
> > > Take Charge Of Your Destiny - http://www.ask-oracle.com-You future is
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organix
and the post appeared to be attracting vermin bots.
"YA JUST CANT WIN GEORGE !"
[Lennie Small]
Dave McAnally
"The only point to this thread is that MSN/Live indexed the site
perfectly."
Wow that's a first. MSN does something right!
First off, I would re-evaluate what you are considering "performing well". Google has over 50% of the search marketshare and cost you a good chunk of business. MSN may have indexed your site "perfectly" but you're only capturing around 5% of the search space (depending on who is providing the data).
To answer your original question though, MSN Yahoo and Google all index things differently because they all have different algorithms and weight things differently. And they don't publish their actual indexing weights because doing such would essentially ruin their business models. The webmaster guidelines Google publishes are good to follow, but certainly aren't going to be a silver bullet to rocket to the top of the serps. I don't recall anywhere where Google has even remotely alluded to that.
I didn't see the URL of your site, but how did you redirect those URLs? 301 or 302? That will most definitely kill you in Google if they are temporary.
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industry. Just the same holds true for using a platform that Google
chokes on. MSN/Live purged the old site, and added the new pages
without even a hiccup. ASPDNSF is a formable ecommerce platform.
http://aspdotnetstorefront.com
So, it is difficult to make a change for Google when MSN/Live has
indexed the site in a way I anticipated. But, I'm still at a loss as
to why Google can't even return a product that it shows as listed in
the Google Base item list? Nor, the respective parent node it is
listed under when such search results are rendered for those items
given query. It is difficult to amend or correct any problem when
the
logic Google demonstrates is so befuddling to me
MSN/Live is gaining on Google in a measuable way. MSN contiues to
offer more services than Google and improving upon a search engine is
not anything MSN can't handle.
The transistion we made using 301's could have gone better, regardless
I am still at the mercy of the Google search engine. Google needs a
check and balance system in place to so that it can correct its own
errors.
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It's not that the site wasn't indexed, it was but, the way in which it
was crawled is incorrect. The results make little if any sense. If the
search term is fabric marker the result is scissors. The bot ignored
any and all meta data and fails to match the pages it has indexed in a
manner that has any relevance what-so-ever to the search term used.
Now what? Even with Adsense, the results would be so skewed that it
would never coincide or have any relevant meaning in terms of
correlating an adsense word with any page on the site. Is there any
way to get this message across to anyone at Google that the search
engine has failed to index a web site correctly? And for that manner,
I've found at times that other applicable search terms ( unrelated to
my site ) can produce the wrong result. The bias Google is
demonstrating is to maximize the number of searches and the time spent
on Google as opposed to providing what one would have expected.
On Aug 12, 9:52 pm, "Dave McAnally" <dave.mcana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well I don't know what business you are in, but of all my clients (and most
> of which are now fortune 500), MSN is quite pathetic in its indexing skills
> and spidering kung-fu. Since it only represents about 10% of the overall
> search marketshare, most people don't even care. But that's just me.
>
> Are you sure you were dropped out of Google. One thing that Google does
> that Live/Microsoft/MSN/Whatever-the-hell-they'll-call-it-next-week doesn't
> do is provide you with a direct line of communication. In webmaster tools,
> you can submit a reinclusion request if you noticed a sudden drop in pages.
> Just login to your webmaster account (you do have a webmaster tools account
> right?) and in the little drop-down menu on the left when you are in the
> site in question, go to reinclusion request and state your case. Within a
> week you should be all good. Just make sure they understand what happened
> and how the site isn't doing anything black hat.
>
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It's not that the site wasn't indexed, it was but, the way in which it
was crawled is incorrect. The results make little if any sense. If the
search term is fabric marker the result is scissors. The bot ignored
any and all meta data and fails to match the pages it has indexed in a
manner that has any relevance what-so-ever to the search term used.
Now what? Even with Adsense, the results would be so skewed that it
would never coincide or have any relevant meaning in terms of
correlating an adsense word with any page on the site. Is there any
way to get this message across to anyone at Google that the search
engine has failed to index a web site correctly? And for that manner,
I've found at times that other applicable search terms ( unrelated to
my site ) can produce the wrong result. The bias Google is
demonstrating is to maximize the number of searches and the time spent
on Google as opposed to providing what one would have expected.
On Aug 12, 9:52 pm, "Dave McAnally" <dave.mcana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well I don't know what business you are in, but of all my clients (and most
> of which are now fortune 500), MSN is quite pathetic in its indexing skills
> and spidering kung-fu. Since it only represents about 10% of the overall
> search marketshare, most people don't even care. But that's just me.
>
> Are you sure you were dropped out of Google. One thing that Google does
> that Live/Microsoft/MSN/Whatever-the-hell-they'll-call-it-next-week doesn't
> do is provide you with a direct line of communication. In webmaster tools,
> you can submit a reinclusion request if you noticed a sudden drop in pages.
> Just login to your webmaster account (you do have a webmaster tools account
> right?) and in the little drop-down menu on the left when you are in the
> site in question, go to reinclusion request and state your case. Within a
> week you should be all good. Just make sure they understand what happened
> and how the site isn't doing anything black hat.
>
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Jay Bale
Jay Bale SEO
Group Manager, Google SEO 1
Ecommerce Consultant
Google Key Words - Jay Bale
850 West Grand River Ave
Brighton, Michigan 48116 USA
Cell: 734-646-7694
Fax: 810-229-8915
Jay...@Gmail.com
Bernard Savonet
Dave's suggestion (using the direct link with Google) is certainly a good option and should stand high on your agenda. Did you contact them? Sending them a mail with 2 or 3 very precise examples (selected pages) could help them to check and understand what is happening and making you some suggestions.
Do NOT overestimate the ad-generating priority: sure they collect money from advertisers. But the advertisers coming to them is HIGHLY related to the quality and reputation of the search results. Therefore, they must ensure that the results are the best possible for all pages (most of them non-paying) so that advertisers will beg to give them some money.
So, trying to clear with them the source of the problem seems a win-win situation. We all agree that being so much dependant on Google is a major problem... but this is not something that we, website publishers or search specialists, can change for now.
Once you have some feedback from Google, remember posting here some of the recommendations and advices you will have found!
Bernard
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advertisers. But the advertisers coming to them is HIGHLY related to
the
quality and reputation of the search results. Therefore, they must
ensure
that the results are the best possible for all pages (most of them
non-paying) so that advertisers will beg to give them some money.
I would say don't underestimate the power of the search engine to
create fuzzy results that further perpetuate Googlers to keep
searching. I have a good sense for analytics and I know the short
comings of the site I just put together from which I can see the
pattern that has emerged as results are displayed., Coupled with the
way in which MSN/Live has indexed the site, and I have a baseline to
measure Google's performance with. Google is directly manipulating the
results to stack results so as to optimize its database of adsense
words. Google does not in a rational way measure or correct the
results it displays when it makes an error and here is one example.
The search term is simply Pebeo fabric markers. I'm looking
specifically for pages from my web site. The result Google returns is
at best Yarn.
.
Fabrics To Dye For Quilting, Sewing, Knitting and Weaving Supplies - 3
visits - Aug 12
Fabrics dye, Fabric paint,. Gutta Resist, Batik supplies, Fabric inks
and Markers. Specials & Clearance. Quilting, Sewing, Knitting
Notions, ...
www.fabricstodyefor.com/ - 84k - Cached - Similar pages
Yarn -- Commercial Yarns, or, Hand-painted Yarns and Hand dyed Yarns
... Fabric Marker SetPebeo Setaskrib Fluorescent Fabric Marker
SetSetaskrib Fabric MarkersSetaskrib Fluorescent Fabric MarkersPebeo
Fabric PaintPebeo Fabric ...
www.fabricstodyefor.com/s-308-yarn.aspx - 72k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.fabricstodyefor.com ]
MSN/Live Results:
· Pebeo Setaskrib Fabric Markers
Pebeo Setaskrib fabric markers and sets.
o www.fabricstodyefor.com/c-204-pebeo-fabric-markers.aspx
o · Cached page
· Pebeo Fabric Paints
Complete line of Pebeo fabric paints for painted surface design
artistry ideally suited ... Fabric Markers: Pebeo Fabric Paint: Pebeo
Mediums: Solvent Based Gutta ...
o www.fabricstodyefor.com/s-99-pebeo.aspx
o · Cached page
o +Show more results from www.fabricstodyefor.com
On Aug 14, 5:29 am, "Bernard Savonet" <bernard.savo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Dave's suggestion (using the direct link with Google) is certainly a good
> option and should stand high on your agenda. Did you contact them? Sending
> them a mail with 2 or 3 very precise examples (selected pages) could help
> them to check and understand what is happening and making you some
> suggestions.
>
> Do NOT overestimate the ad-generating priority: sure they collect money from
> advertisers. But the advertisers coming to them is HIGHLY related to the
> quality and reputation of the search results. Therefore, they must ensure
> that the results are the best possible for all pages (most of them
> non-paying) so that advertisers will beg to give them some money.
>
> So, trying to clear with them the source of the problem seems a win-win
> situation. We all agree that being so much dependant on Google is a major
> problem... but this is not something that we, website publishers or search
> specialists, can change for now.
>
> Once you have some feedback from Google, remember posting here some of the
> recommendations and advices you will have found!
>
> Bernard
>
> 2007/8/13, node 1 <M...@fabricstodyefor.com>:
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inclusion and balked.
>> Please complete this form ONLY if one of the following is true:
Upon reviewing your site, you found that it violated our webmaster
guidelines and you've made changes to your site so that it adheres to
the guidelines. [?] OR
You recently acquired a domain which you suspect may have previously
violated our webmaster guidelines.
Dear Google, Please stop the torture of our web business. We've lost
thousands of dollars of business a month since we upgraded our website
after Microsoft closed down bCentral last April 30th. We are an
established ecommerce company that first listed with you back in the
Stanford days. Since that time we have exceeded a half million dollars
in online sales, and now we are all but at a total loss. Months have
gone by and we are providing data through the site map routine. We
have 2700 items uploaded to the Google Base, and even those listings
are falling by the wayside. Why if MSN/Live can index our site
perfectly does Google continue to skew results and corrupt the output
of our carefully planned asp.net ecommerce site using
aspdotnetstorefront? Please in some way if possible, could you please
at least correct the Google Bot errors? Is there any system for error
checking or accountabilty that Google can demonstrate to fix so many
errors as to cause our business to stop and not even have the
opportunity to use adwords because of the way the site has been
indexed? Thanks, never-the-less. mark h
On Aug 18, 4:46 am, "Bernard Savonet" <bernard.savo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> We could elaborate for years on Google evil-doing whatever they claim.
> However this would not help you progress on your problem solution.
>
> Back to business:
> Did you contact them? Any answer?
>
> 2007/8/14, node 1 <M...@fabricstodyefor.com>:
> >www.fabricstodyefor.com/- 84k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> > Yarn -- Commercial Yarns, or, Hand-painted Yarns and Hand dyed Yarns
> > ... Fabric Marker SetPebeo Setaskrib Fluorescent Fabric Marker
> > SetSetaskrib Fabric MarkersSetaskrib Fluorescent Fabric MarkersPebeo
> > Fabric PaintPebeo Fabric ...
> >www.fabricstodyefor.com/s-308-yarn.aspx- 72k - Cached - Similar pages
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