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Ed Borden  
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 More options Jul 2 2012, 9:02 pm
From: Ed Borden <borden.edw...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 21:02:48 -0400
Local: Mon, Jul 2 2012 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: Notes from Holland/London trip
I just reached out to Moixa, we've done business with them in the past
at Pachube.

While Moixa's stuff is fantastic, one thing we are finding is that our
goal with this project is first and foremost to build a community, and
we don't want cost to be a barrier.  That's why we're looking at
methods of generation/participation with costs on the order of
[hopefully] $10-ish.

But that doesn't mean that people who want to spend more or already
have large PV deployments can't also be a part of this, so any
suggestions like this are certainly appreciated.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Ken Boak <ken.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ed,

> Very interesting - taking mobile phone charging off the grid.

> You should look at what Moixa are doing - a low voltage dc, renewable
> (solar) micro-grid.

> Rather than everyone having a "roof full of pv panels"  you have just one,
> of about 300W which you can take with you when you move apartment.

> It recharges a battery during the day, and in the evening you have low
> voltage dc to recharge your phone, power your entertainment, laptop etc.

> It takes your electronic devices off grid - and as more and more of our
> possessions are electronics, it makes sense to power these from PV.

> Who needs the inefficiency of ac chargers, when modern power electronics can
> convert dc voltage up and down - with very high efficiency.

> With small scale personal PV, - an ideal candidate to get them all talking
> via IoT, and provide valuable performance data - about how much energy you
> had taken off the grid.

> http://www.moixatechnology.com/

> Ken

> On Monday, 2 July 2012 19:04:19 UTC+1, Ed Borden wrote:

>> These notes were written by Dan Selden (@dss49), Hirumi Nanayakkara
>> (@hirumianajones), and Estefanie Duque (@stefyduq) during a trip to
>> Europe early June 2012:

>> Hack Day:
>> The Sensemakers team splintered into 3 groups, but we all focused on
>> the overarching theme we dubbed “The Digital Metabolism of The Urban
>> Nomad.” We basically were looking at microenergy harvestation
>> opportunities in the daily life of the urban citizen.
>> It was great to meet and work with the Amsterdam Sensemakers team, but
>> also work with completely random people  from the Eindhoven community
>> who are interested in renewable energy mechanisms. All of our
>> subgroups recruited people we never met before, which made room for
>> new ideas and awesome prototypes. Bert and I worked on using potted
>> plants to harvest power, Estefanie’s team applied the KinetiKit
>> circuit to objects (pinwheels, wheely shoes, turntables) and Dan’s
>> team prototyped a walking stick that charges USB devices.

>> Jam Session (Day 1):

>> We just wrapped up 2 days of jamming on decentralized power systems at
>> the High Tech Campus in Eindhoven. We got a bunch of people together
>> who are committed and passionate about disrupting current systems of
>> power generation and distribution.

>> Ed and Amsterdam-based Sensemaker Casper moderated our work sessions.
>> We kicked things off with a few presentations, including some talks
>> from Dan, Estefanie, and I on our past research and what we worked on
>> at the Science Hack Day. We drew a lot of inspiration from Jeremy
>> Rifken’s work and plastered the walls with post its of ideas, quotes,
>> and images of what we found noteable and inspiring. Attendee Tim van
>> de Rijt talked a bit about the platform he’s currently developing:
>> energysharing.com, which spurred an open discussion on what we
>> envision the future of energy sharing to be and how those interactions
>> would play out.

>> From there, we broke into teams to focus our ideas by doing user
>> scenarios for three different personas. The daily activities and
>> opportunities of energy creation and exchange were white-boarded for a
>> housemom/dad, a freelancer, and a business person.

>> Our story is largely centered on the archaic foundation of centralized
>> power systems. We, as a society, have progressed to be a mobile
>> people. Much of what we do is based on tools of communication (phones,
>> tablets, laptops, etc…) but those devices are limited by power, by our
>> dependance on the electrical grid. To narrow our focus, we decided to
>> work through visualizing a system that would take powering cell phones
>> off the grid.

>> After a show and tell session of our findings, we switched gears and
>> isolated 3 different domains that needed exploration to begin making
>> our ideas more tangible and accessible to a greater audience:
>> sharing: what does a energy sharing mechanism look like? (physically
>> and virtually)
>> product: what types of products will be involved in energy harvesting
>> story: what is the story we are trying to tell?

>> After another round of show and tell, we scrambled groups to iterate
>> on the previous teams process. Our biggest hurdle was/is the sharing
>> mechanism.  We kept running into the issue of storage, battery
>> transactions, and visualizing the decentralized, peer to peer energy
>> sharing grid (now dubbed The Intergrid). The discussions of the ethics
>> behind energy sharing were also discussed. Should people be selling
>> their energy? Is purely freely available energy the right thinking
>> (Wikipedia model where everyone benefits, but success is reliant upon
>> the minority of hyper-users)? We talked about citizens in a community
>> who enjoy gardening, and how although its not a cheap hobby, people
>> happily and gladly give away things that they grow to those around
>> them. Could energy possibly function in the same way?
>> It was a super productive day and after lots of great ideas,
>> storyboarding, and open discussions, we broke for dinner and drinks
>> and continue the jam session tomorrow!

>> Jam Session (Day 2):

>> The best/worst part of the design process is finding flaws in your
>> system, and throwing out a previously crafted vision for one that, for
>> lack of a better phrase, makes more sense.
>> Our redirection came primarily from the central issue, which is
>> determining how independently created energy would be accessed and
>> distributed.

>> In order to start a movement, you need momentum. For us, that means
>> building a framework for a community to a) learn about energy
>> producing technologies and b) sharing that information with each other
>> and the public.

>> No, our current prototypes don’t create mass amounts of power, but our
>> goal right now is to harness the everyday actions of people with tools
>> that collect power. In order to achieve this, we decided that we must
>> complete the following:

>> people must have devices that harvest energy
>> these devices must be quantifiable, in that the amount of power
>> created needs to be uploaded and shared
>> a web platform must exist, where independent energy producers are able
>> to share their own data on the quantity of energy they are producing,
>> where they are in the world, and how they are doing so.

>> We see these goals being fulfilled by way of Kickstarter, where we can
>> deliver micro-energy harvesting devices to a large amount of people.
>> From there we can monitor natural trends within the community, and
>> what kinds of sharing tactics occur amongst users. Emerging behaviors
>> with our target demographic seem more useful and feasible in designing
>> the infrastructure for a larger sharing system instead of dictating
>> how sharing energy should function.

>> Our next steps include iterating through our products a bit more so
>> that they are easily understood and useable by the average person. We
>> also need to continue to refine our concept and the story behind it to
>> continue to gain momentum and excitement.

>> Third industrial revolution, here we come!

>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------

>> Some Resources

>> http://www.smartplanet.com/video/from-internet-to-enternet-creating-t...
>> Bob Metcalfe
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZv9H62xm0&feature=related
>> http://www.npowerpeg.com/
>> http://www.inc.com/ss/kinetic-energy-chargers

>> http://archis.org/

>> http://inhabitat.com/city-in-the-sky-futuristic-flower-towers-soar-ab...

>> http://www.smartplanet.com/video/what-a-smart-grid-can-do-for-you/329...

>> http://www.smartplanet.com/video/who-will-manage-the-smart-grid/31277...

>> http://www.smartplanet.com/video/who-will-pay-for-the-smart-grid/4189...
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fggyqAMp8DA

>> Dan

>> Reflecting on conversation today (6.15),  seems like there is some
>> good effort happening between public and private sectors to start
>> realizing some of this shift.. most notably in Germany... but how do
>> you connect with people? I think the community aspect needs to be
>> addressed in order to create the pressure needed to see this shift
>> occur elsewhere. This can be facilitated by participation and data...
>> convergence of quantified self and energy. The innovation in energy
>> can come later... the innovation in connecting the quantified self

>> London Notes

>> Beginning to see a transformation toward green renewables. Are we
>> going about it in the right way?

>> Traditionally, energy has been created by extracting fossil fuels from
>> specific locations… which makes sense when the resources are sparse.
>> Vertical systems of organization are necessary to manage such a large
>> centralized system.

>> With demand for green energy and reduced CO2 on the rise, energy
>> companies are naturally beginning to embrace green technologies…
>> however they are applying a fossil fuel collection mentality, lots of
>> wind turbines in areas where it is windy, lots of solar farms where it
>> is sunny etc… and relying on heavy centralization to produce and
>> distribute energy. Yet this model makes no sense when the resource is
>> literally everywhere.

>> We are dependent on the inefficient centralized supply… even through
>> renewables we end up paying the energy company in transaction fees, if
>> selling back to the grid is an option.

>> A decentralized peer to peer renewable energy system, on the other
>> hand, managed and coordinated using the internet (which has already
>> proved capable of organizing large horizontal systems) news to be the
>> future. We must become owners of our own energy. We can be both the
>> producers and the consumers. With renewables, a horizontal system
>> needs to be in place…

>> Jeremy rifkin… a energy and economic consultant has been talking about
>> this future for years… he envisions"hundreds of millions of human
>> beings will be generating their own green energy in their homes,
>> offices, and factories and sharing it with one another across
>> intelligent distributed electricity networks-an intergrid- just like
>> people now create their own information and share it on the internet."

>> Rifkin sees this as a essential to ushering in a third industrial
>> revolution that will create hundreds of thousands of jobs and spur new
>> innovations at unprecedented rates. Yet he is working with industry
>> and the EU government to realize this goal… a slow moving political
>> machine that is still tied to an entrenched energy industry. Yet the
>> EU is still making more progress towards this so described smart grid.
>> The US is even further behind… our idea of a smart grid is
>> unfortunately simply a centralized system with a smart metering
>> infrastructure.

>> In any case, we're asking the question, how do we begin fostering a
>> community around peer to peer energy and how can we build the
>> infrastructure (loosely defined) to increase the pace of this
>> transformation.

>> This is what the past week or so has been about… exploring micro
>> generation at an individual level and brainstorming ways for us to
>> connect and share the data of this lifestyle and eventually our
>> energy. We've struggled to define this as off-grid or smart-grid and
>> so for now are just sticking with peer to peer.

>> We're not the only people who envision this future, but we think we
>> can help get more people on board.


 
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