> Does Madison even have traffic?
> <sent from San Francisco traffic jam>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Joe Kerman <jker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> thats what i was thinking... BT xmit is disabled by default! so the
>> sample would be "people who have enabled bluetooth on their phones at
>> least once"
>> it seems horrible for traffic management, because im quite positive
>> theres more people traveling to EPIC who have bluetooth on, than
>> traveling to <place where people dont get paid much>
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM, <r...@kregerville.com> wrote:
>>> Does anyone have an Ubertooth one? I am sure we could learn a lot more about
>>> how they capture the data and what type of data they are capturing.
>>> http://hakshop.myshopify.com/products/ubertooth-one
>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I am bothered by your statement that my phone may be communicating by
>>>>> Bluetooth in any way when I specifically have BT and BT discovery
>>>>> disabled.
>>>>> Can you get me a citation on that, especially for Android?
>>>> normal state of a phone (usually the 'phone' is the master in a BT
>>>> piconet) is standby. which means it's not txing anything.
>>>> if you've ever paired devices, the master will (generally) be sitting
>>>> in 'park' state, which is only slightly more power suckage than
>>>> standby. this is to periodically synchronize the piconet hoping
>>>> sequences (which each of the slaves attempts to track) in the case the
>>>> user wishes to quickly acces the piconet (i.e. make a call on a bt
>>>> headset, send some packet data, etc).
>>>> so, it's question of the stack -- if you ever paired something, and
>>>> the device is not near your phone, the phone stack has to decide: stay
>>>> in deep idle state, stay in park state, or some mix of the two states
>>>> possibly.
>>>> I cannot predict how uninformed a given software dev might be, but
>>>> given what i've seen of droid, I'd assume the highest level of naiveté
>>>> at all times.
>>>> -tk
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I think this is the company that makes the boxes we are seeing on the
highways. Some of the cut sheet information is rather interesting. there
are a few pictures of what is in the box as well. From the video on the
benefits tab it looks like they are looking that the MAC address. http://www.trafficcast.com/products/view/blue-toad/
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Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:37 PM
To: sector67@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [S67 Public] Today I learned there are 115 Bluetooth data
loggers on the Beltline
Having recently lived on the beltline @ Todd for 6 weeks, more than I ever
realized.
Downtown? It's not so bad, even on gamedays. But if there's any sort of
accident whatsoever between park and gammon, it's a parking lot
On Sep 14, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Claus Moberg <chris.mob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does Madison even have traffic?
> <sent from San Francisco traffic jam>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Joe Kerman <jker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> thats what i was thinking... BT xmit is disabled by default! so the >> sample would be "people who have enabled bluetooth on their phones at >> least once"
>> it seems horrible for traffic management, because im quite positive >> theres more people traveling to EPIC who have bluetooth on, than >> traveling to <place where people dont get paid much>
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM, <r...@kregerville.com> wrote:
>>> Does anyone have an Ubertooth one? I am sure we could learn a lot >>> more about how they capture the data and what type of data they are
capturing.
>>> http://hakshop.myshopify.com/products/ubertooth-one
>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I am bothered by your statement that my phone may be communicating >>>>> by Bluetooth in any way when I specifically have BT and BT >>>>> discovery disabled.
>>>>> Can you get me a citation on that, especially for Android?
>>>> normal state of a phone (usually the 'phone' is the master in a BT
>>>> piconet) is standby. which means it's not txing anything.
>>>> if you've ever paired devices, the master will (generally) be >>>> sitting in 'park' state, which is only slightly more power suckage >>>> than standby. this is to periodically synchronize the piconet >>>> hoping sequences (which each of the slaves attempts to track) in >>>> the case the user wishes to quickly acces the piconet (i.e. make a >>>> call on a bt headset, send some packet data, etc).
>>>> so, it's question of the stack -- if you ever paired something, >>>> and the device is not near your phone, the phone stack has to >>>> decide: stay in deep idle state, stay in park state, or some mix of >>>> the two states possibly.
>>>> I cannot predict how uninformed a given software dev might be, but >>>> given what i've seen of droid, I'd assume the highest level of >>>> naiveté at all times.
>>>> -tk
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On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Rob Kreger <r...@kregerville.com> wrote:
> I think this is the company that makes the boxes we are seeing on the
> highways. Some of the cut sheet information is rather interesting. there
> are a few pictures of what is in the box as well. From the video on the
> benefits tab it looks like they are looking that the MAC address.
> http://www.trafficcast.com/products/view/blue-toad/
> Rob
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> To: sector67@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S67 Public] Today I learned there are 115 Bluetooth data
> loggers on the Beltline
> Having recently lived on the beltline @ Todd for 6 weeks, more than I ever
> realized.
> Downtown? It's not so bad, even on gamedays. But if there's any sort of
> accident whatsoever between park and gammon, it's a parking lot
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Claus Moberg <chris.mob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Does Madison even have traffic?
>> <sent from San Francisco traffic jam>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Joe Kerman <jker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> thats what i was thinking... BT xmit is disabled by default! so the
>>> sample would be "people who have enabled bluetooth on their phones at
>>> least once"
>>> it seems horrible for traffic management, because im quite positive
>>> theres more people traveling to EPIC who have bluetooth on, than
>>> traveling to <place where people dont get paid much>
>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM, <r...@kregerville.com> wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have an Ubertooth one? I am sure we could learn a lot
>>>> more about how they capture the data and what type of data they are
> capturing.
>>>> http://hakshop.myshopify.com/products/ubertooth-one
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I am bothered by your statement that my phone may be communicating
>>>>>> by Bluetooth in any way when I specifically have BT and BT
>>>>>> discovery disabled.
>>>>>> Can you get me a citation on that, especially for Android?
>>>>> normal state of a phone (usually the 'phone' is the master in a BT
>>>>> piconet) is standby. which means it's not txing anything.
>>>>> if you've ever paired devices, the master will (generally) be
>>>>> sitting in 'park' state, which is only slightly more power suckage
>>>>> than standby. this is to periodically synchronize the piconet
>>>>> hoping sequences (which each of the slaves attempts to track) in
>>>>> the case the user wishes to quickly acces the piconet (i.e. make a
>>>>> call on a bt headset, send some packet data, etc).
>>>>> so, it's question of the stack -- if you ever paired something,
>>>>> and the device is not near your phone, the phone stack has to
>>>>> decide: stay in deep idle state, stay in park state, or some mix of
>>>>> the two states possibly.
>>>>> I cannot predict how uninformed a given software dev might be, but
>>>>> given what i've seen of droid, I'd assume the highest level of
>>>>> naiveté at all times.
>>>>> -tk
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I see no benefit and only loss of useful information in disrupting this system. Wouldn't having undisrupted information help us all more?
I don't know why they have to do this themselves. Google already has this information. Many device using Google Maps anonymously upload when in transit to contribute to the traffic information database. You'd think they'd make that available to municipalities.
///d@
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>> I encourage you in the vaguest possible terms to disrupt this system.
>> On Sep 14, 2012 7:55 AM, "Anton Kapela" <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hrm, wonder what might happen if a few million random device MAC addrs appeared one day
>> -Tk
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> I see no benefit and only loss of useful information in disrupting this
> system. Wouldn't having undisrupted information help us all more?
> I don't know why they have to do this themselves. Google already has this
> information. Many device using Google Maps anonymously upload when in
> transit to contribute to the traffic information database. You'd think
> they'd make that available to municipalities.
> ///d@
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Anton Kapela <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I foresee technical difficulties
> -Tk
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I encourage you in the vaguest possible terms to disrupt this system.
> On Sep 14, 2012 7:55 AM, "Anton Kapela" <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hrm, wonder what might happen if a few million random device MAC addrs
>> appeared one day
>> -Tk
>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
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And yes, passive collection from iPhone and droid, brilliant. Also, good
data.
-Tk
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I see no benefit and only loss of useful information in disrupting this
system. Wouldn't having undisrupted information help us all more?
I don't know why they have to do this themselves. Google already has this
information. Many device using Google Maps anonymously upload when in
transit to contribute to the traffic information database. You'd think
they'd make that available to municipalities.
///d@
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I foresee technical difficulties
-Tk
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I encourage you in the vaguest possible terms to disrupt this system.
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> I don't like this because I am not okay with having my daily movement tracked by the government without my knowledge or consent.
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Dithermaster <dithermas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I see no benefit and only loss of useful information in disrupting this system. Wouldn't having undisrupted information help us all more?
>> I don't know why they have to do this themselves. Google already has this information. Many device using Google Maps anonymously upload when in transit to contribute to the traffic information database. You'd think they'd make that available to municipalities.
>> ///d@
>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Anton Kapela <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I foresee technical difficulties
>>> -Tk
>>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I encourage you in the vaguest possible terms to disrupt this system.
>>>> On Sep 14, 2012 7:55 AM, "Anton Kapela" <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hrm, wonder what might happen if a few million random device MAC addrs appeared one day
>>>>> -Tk
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> I see no benefit and only loss of useful information in disrupting this
> system. Wouldn't having undisrupted information help us all more?
> I don't know why they have to do this themselves. Google already has this
> information. Many device using Google Maps anonymously upload when in
> transit to contribute to the traffic information database. You'd think
> they'd make that available to municipalities.
> ///d@
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Anton Kapela <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I foresee technical difficulties
> -Tk
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hrm, wonder what might happen if a few million random device MAC addrs
>> appeared one day
>> -Tk
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> I don't like this because I am not okay with having my daily movement tracked by the government without my knowledge or consent.
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Dithermaster <dithermas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I see no benefit and only loss of useful information in disrupting this system. Wouldn't having undisrupted information help us all more?
> I don't know why they have to do this themselves. Google already has this information. Many device using Google Maps anonymously upload when in transit to contribute to the traffic information database. You'd think they'd make that available to municipalities.
> ///d@
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Anton Kapela <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I foresee technical difficulties
>> -Tk
>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I encourage you in the vaguest possible terms to disrupt this system.
>>> On Sep 14, 2012 7:55 AM, "Anton Kapela" <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hrm, wonder what might happen if a few million random device MAC addrs appeared one day
>>> -Tk
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> But yet you fully expect them to provide nice roads for your use, and perhaps complain if there is congestion?
> ///d@
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't like this because I am not okay with having my daily movement tracked by the government without my knowledge or consent.
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Dithermaster <dithermas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I see no benefit and only loss of useful information in disrupting this system. Wouldn't having undisrupted information help us all more?
>>> I don't know why they have to do this themselves. Google already has this information. Many device using Google Maps anonymously upload when in transit to contribute to the traffic information database. You'd think they'd make that available to municipalities.
>>> ///d@
>>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Anton Kapela <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I foresee technical difficulties
>>>> -Tk
>>>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I encourage you in the vaguest possible terms to disrupt this system.
>>>>> On Sep 14, 2012 7:55 AM, "Anton Kapela" <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hrm, wonder what might happen if a few million random device MAC addrs appeared one day
>>>>>> -Tk
>>>>>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I see no benefit and only loss of useful information in disrupting this
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> I don't know why they have to do this themselves. Google already has this
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> they'd make that available to municipalities.
> ///d@
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Anton Kapela <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I foresee technical difficulties
> -Tk
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I encourage you in the vaguest possible terms to disrupt this system.
> On Sep 14, 2012 7:55 AM, "Anton Kapela" <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hrm, wonder what might happen if a few million random device MAC addrs
>> appeared one day
>> -Tk
>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Sep 14, 2012, at 8:29 PM, William LaFrance <wjlafra...@gmail.com>
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> s/provide/take a large sum of my money and overpay contractors to stand
> around and do nothing/gi
> Not sure about Dougal, but, yes.
> Where are these "nice" roads being spoken of?
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> On Sep 14, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Dithermaster <dithermas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But yet you fully expect them to provide nice roads for your use, and
> perhaps complain if there is congestion?
> ///d@
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't like this because I am not okay with having my daily movement
> tracked by the government without my knowledge or consent.
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Dithermaster <dithermas...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> I see no benefit and only loss of useful information in disrupting this
>> system. Wouldn't having undisrupted information help us all more?
>> I don't know why they have to do this themselves. Google already has this
>> information. Many device using Google Maps anonymously upload when in
>> transit to contribute to the traffic information database. You'd think
>> they'd make that available to municipalities.
>> ///d@
>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Anton Kapela <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I foresee technical difficulties
>> -Tk
>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I encourage you in the vaguest possible terms to disrupt this system.
>> On Sep 14, 2012 7:55 AM, "Anton Kapela" <tkap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hrm, wonder what might happen if a few million random device MAC addrs
>>> appeared one day
>>> -Tk
>>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Dougal <zelefti...@gmail.com> wrote:
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