Cost of immigration reform...

[Cicero_Venatio]

The official cost of immigration reform is $6.3 trillion (6 Iraq wars).
But the government always underestimates how many illegals are in the
country, and a more correct number would be twice what they think. So
this would increase the cost to $12 trillion (12 Iraq wars), and
basically break the back of the US treasury. And the Democrats want to
do this so they can obtain 6 million more Democrat voters. They would
get those voters, but there would be no country left to govern over.

[Lee]

Cicero_Venatio wrote:

> The official cost of immigration reform is $6.3 trillion (6 Iraq
> wars). But the government always underestimates how many illegals
> are in the country, and a more correct number would be twice what
> they think. So this would increase the cost to $12 trillion (12 Iraq
> wars), and basically break the back of the US treasury.

Show us how Reagan granting blanket amnesty to
millions of illegals in 1986 "broke the back of the
treasury".

[Moder@tor]

In Sissyro's bizarro world, it is ok for the GOP to give illegals amnesty as
long as the Dems don't. Crickets flew out of his ass when Bush was proposing the
same thing.


>

[1,960 murdered in Obama's organized communities]

On Mon, 06 May 2013 12:41:40 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Mon, 06 May 2013 09:48:01 -0700, Cicero_Venatio
><jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The official cost of immigration reform is $6.3 trillion (6 Iraq wars).
>

>Most of which is paid for by TAXES the immigrants (legal or illegal)
>pay
>
>Glad to remind you FIledud.
>
>Ya got no bitch.

Umm, Gary? You ~are~ his bitch...

[Cicero_Venatio]

> Most of which is paid for by TAXES the immigrants (legal or illegal)
> pay

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You know that isn't true Gary. The vast majority are unskilled, not
educated poor who will receive $3 in benefits from the country for every
$1 they pay in all taxes, state and local included. So stop being a
fanatical boob for once and tell me how that helps the country.
Remember the equation, you pay them $3 and they give you back $1. It's
the same equation for America's domestic poor, who are unskilled and not
educated.

[Cicero_Venatio]

the
> issue is nothing more than a fucking rightwing whine.
>
> THis nation has NEVER been under any threat from southern latino
> immirgrants.
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At this very moment, 2 million Mexicans are in the process of trying to
cross the border illegally. I see hundreds pass this area daily myself.
They are calling it a modern day gold rush, as they rush to cash in on
the bounty that Obama is offering them. Gary, if you can stand back
from your fanaticism for just a second, do you really think these
millions are rushing the border to pay taxes to Uncle Sam?? When you go
to your local watering hole, and you start hearing norteno music that is
when you know your community has been absorbed by this invading alien
force.

[Yer Pal Al]

On May 7, 10:55 am, Cicero_Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> the> issue is nothing more than a fucking rightwing whine.
>
> > THis nation has NEVER been under any threat from southern latino
> > immirgrants.
>
> -------------
> At this very moment, 2 million Mexicans are in the process of trying to
> cross the border illegally.  I see hundreds pass this area daily myself.

Could you video this and put it on your blog?

[Cicero_Venatio]

>> -------------
>> At this very moment, 2 million Mexicans are in the process of trying to
>> cross the border illegally. I see hundreds pass this area daily myself.
>
> Could you video this and put it on your blog?

>------------

Don't really have anything that can do video, maybe some pics. You can
tell by their accents that they are just passing through to the USA.
Even the locals here want to pack up and get in on all the freebies
Obama is going to give them. You can't explain to them that it isn't
that easy, but once the gold rush is on, that is all they can think about.

[Cicero_Venatio]

> In Sissyro's bizarro world, it is ok for the GOP to give illegals amnesty as
> long as the Dems don't. Crickets flew out of his ass when Bush was proposing the
> same thing.

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The record shows I opposed the McCain immigration bill. McCain gets
more votes from Democrats in Arizona than Republican. When McCain ran
for President, he voted for Obama. There is no doubt in my mind that
when McCain left the Hanoi Hilton he was damaged goods.

[Moder@tor]

On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:59:01 -0700, Cicero_Venatio <jazz...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>

As I said, crickets flew out of your ass when Bush was proposing the same thing.
Thanks for confirming this, Sissyro.

[Cicero_Venatio]

> The reason you're groveling in your flea-infested, rat-hole south is
> because of conservative policies.
>
> That's a fucking historical fact, FILEDUD.
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Never wanted to own a slave - the Democrat Party 1859

or wanted the little people to bow to me - Nancy Pelosi after being
elected speaker in 2006.

[Cicero_Venatio]

> When I showed his (and Billy Beck's) stuff to the FBI----they said
> "Really sick guys"

>> =============================================================

Is this when the FBI interrogated you? What else did you tell them?

[Cicero_Venatio]

> Not as damaged as Raygun, Nixon and Bush, you simpering idiot.
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Ted Cruz, the next President.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/05/07/ted_cruz_mocks_harry_reids_demonstration_of_civility_and_candor_on_senate_floor.html

[Yer Pal Al]

Democrats want to have open borders and a welfare state. Crazy.

[Yer Pal Al]

On May 8, 1:11 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:59:01 -0700, Cicero_Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>

In Bush's world view where was border security relative to amnesty?
What got more money and more attention from the President?

[1,962 murdered in Obama's organized communities]

On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:26:47 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>simpering idiot.

Yoorgloon .sig #8937

[Moder@tor]

On Wed, 8 May 2013 15:44:02 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107692,00.html

[Yer Pal Al]

On May 9, 1:48 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2013 15:44:02 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>

On the other hand he actually signed this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

You can't have open borders and a welfare state.

[Moder@tor]

On Thu, 9 May 2013 08:09:04 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Which was his usual incomplete cluster fuck.
http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/correspondents-watch/single-article/privatization-of-border-fence-raises-new-concerns/376e50b1a88d7e0bb478e8189115c6bd.html

Having to be completed with private funds, unmatching fences, and yet still
incomplete, open areas. In other words, a typical Bush 'Mission Accomplished'
type of job. After all, it isn't the security he was actually interested in, it
was the action of signing the building of a fence into place, regardless how
incomplete it is. Besides, from the Fox cite:

"It would provide a mechanism by which some U.S. businesses would be able to
import an unlimited number of low-wage foreign workers, and it would allow most
of the roughly 10 million illegal aliens already in the United States a means by
which they (and their extended families) would be able to remain legally -- and
permanently -- in the United States."

Basically the fence was lip service. If businesses could import as many low wage
workers as they wished and the illegals already in the country were to be given
amnesty, the fence would only keep out drug traffic. And it hasn't seemed to do
that either.

[Yer Pal Al]

On May 9, 9:09 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 08:09:04 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On May 9, 1:48 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 8 May 2013 15:44:02 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On May 8, 1:11 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 08 May 2013 11:59:01 -0700, Cicero_Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> In Sissyro's bizarro world, it is ok for the GOP to give illegals amnesty as
> >> >> >> long as the Dems don't. Crickets flew out of his ass when Bush was proposing the
> >> >> >> same thing.
> >> >> >--------------
> >> >> >The record shows I opposed the McCain immigration bill. McCain gets
> >> >> >more votes from Democrats in Arizona than Republican. When McCain ran
> >> >> >for President, he voted for Obama. There is no doubt in my mind that
> >> >> >when McCain left the Hanoi Hilton he was damaged goods.
>
> >> >> As I said, crickets flew out of your ass when Bush was proposing the same thing.
> >> >> Thanks for confirming this, Sissyro.
>
> >> >In Bush's world view where was border security relative to amnesty?
> >> >What got more money and more attention from the President?
>
> >>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107692,00.html
>
> >On the other hand he actually signed this:
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006
>

> Which was his usual incomplete cluster fuck.http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/correspondents-watch/single-article/p...

If that was a $1.2B "clusterfuck" then Obamcare would be a $400B/year
"Geothermal Nuclear Bubonic Clusterfuck Halocaust".

Border apprehensions decreased 61% from 2005 to 2010, lowest since
1972:
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois-apprehensions-fs-2005-2010.pdf

You can't have an open border *AND* a welfare state (for long).

[Cicero_Venatio]

>
> Democrats want to have open borders and a welfare state. Crazy.

-----------

Since the election of Obama, illegals have been coming for the welfare
and nothing else. They have already ruined California. Even Arnold got
ruined by a Mexican immigrant. Another very disagreeable aspect to these
kind of immigrants is one of the first things they do is buy a car, get
drunk and crash into someone. Most have no driving skills, have a
cultural trait that says it is cool to drink and drive, and are a true
menace. So not only will they cost you money, they could possibly cost
you your life. When the sun sets here in Mexico, I never drive as it
just a game of Russian Roulette. If you move to Mexico, that is the
first lesson you learn, and that is never to drive at night. That is
when the cops hassle you also.

[opel]

Is that why they always drive so fucking slooooooooooooow?

I've seen oxcarts that move faster.

[Cicero_Venatio]

> Is that why they always drive so fucking slooooooooooooow?
>
> I've seen oxcarts that move faster.

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Where I've driven in town in Mexico the speed limit is 25 mph. They
look at roads as community areas where people walk, ride bikes, or sell
food, pets roam, and anything you can think up. The roads are unlike
the UsA roads where the speed limit is rarely under 35 mph, and anything
in the road, that doesn't belong there, gets run over (pets, pedestrians).

[opel]

Lots of cobble, wavy asphalt, crumbling concrete, and that can be in the
run of a single street, irrc...

They must feel like a kiddie car on the autobahn by the time they hit
the states.

[Freedom Dude]

"Yer Pal Al" wrote in message
news:bc19f36d-4ce1-47b7...@ys5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

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Funny, the border is more guarded today than it has ever been. More
patrol, more cameras and electronic devices. How do you explain that?

[Yer Pal Al]

On May 9, 5:00 pm, "Freedom Dude" <don'tbot...@spamfree.com> wrote:
> "Yer Pal Al"  wrote in messagenews:bc19f36d-4ce1-47b7...@ys5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

Did Obama repeal Bush's efforts?

[Cicero_Venatio]

> They must feel like a kiddie car on the autobahn by the time they hit
> the states.

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Unfortunately the lack of obstacles creates catastrophic accidents,
especially when drinking. The same with Arab students in the USA.

[Freedom Dude]

"Yer Pal Al" wrote in message

news:8a1d522c-8cfb-41a9...@ys5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

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Ummmm, I don't think there was much to be repealed. You have to remember
that Bush didn't do much except for the wars and give more money to the
rich.

[opel]

They used to love those screaming chicken Trans Ams, didn't they?

[Cicero_Venatio]

>
> They used to love those screaming chicken Trans Ams, didn't they?

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that was a long time ago, how do you remember that?

[opel]

Lol, and remember for the 'good muzzies', safe sex always meant driving
the dirt road - male or female - they still go back home as "virgins"...

;-)

[Yer Pal Al]

On May 10, 12:06 pm, "Freedom Dude" <don'tbot...@spamfree.com> wrote:
> "Yer Pal Al"  wrote in messagenews:8a1d522c-8cfb-41a9...@ys5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

I didn't think Obama would go as far as to tear down the wall. So
Bush's efforts are still in place and border apprehensions decreased
61% from 2005 and you lose again.

[1,963 murdered in Obama's organized communities]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 15:47:05 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Sat, 11 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al
><caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> > Democrats want to have open borders and a welfare state. Crazy.
>>> > =======================================================
>>> > Funny, the border is more guarded today than it has ever been. More
>>> > patrol, more cameras and electronic devices. How do you explain �that?
>>>
>>> Did Obama repeal Bush's efforts?
>>> =========================================================
>>> Ummmm, I don't think there was much to be repealed.
>>
>>I didn't think Obama would go as far as to tear down the wall. So
>>Bush's efforts are still in place and border apprehensions decreased
>>61% from 2005 and you lose again.
>

>Stupid---the GOP caused economic disaster caused less immigrants from
>coming north, ya idiot.
>
>Since the 80's---those who suffered the worse were women, children,
>workers, elderly and retirees.
>
>Not one fucking mega millionaire even noticed.

Ain't yo' money, bitch.