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Donna & Stan Storwick
Mar 12, 2016, 4:02:57 PM3/12/16
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Hi Don:
Good question! At one time Fred was working
at eliminating the bow tube and built a heavier boat to withstand the pressure
generated in heavy wind sailing. The trade off of weight took away the
advantage of the bow tube not striking the water.
I have lifted the bow tube of a couple of Sea
Sprays so that it will rest on the top of the deck which would be about an inch
higher. On the newer Sea Spray I did this by taking off the casting at the
front, fabrocatomg a fibreglass fitting that is flat on two sides with a 2 inch
half circle which allows a longer bow tube to fit on top of the deck. This
has been on the boat for several years and works well until really extreme
conditions occur.
The other Sea Spray is an original US boat with
narrow bows. I have left the original fitting in place and simple went
with a longer bow tube which again is placed on top of the bow forward of the
casting which lifts it about an inch and a quarter. Again it solves the
problem except for really extreme conditions.
By extreme I am looking at survival mode.
Likely the race would either be abandoned or I would not be sailing as I don't
like the heavy wind - over 25 mph.
If you think it would help I could post a couple of
pictures to show what I have done.
Good luck with this and good to hear you are still
playing with Sea Sprays.
Stan
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Don Wylie <donwy...@gmail.com>: Mar 11 02:09PM -0800
Hello all especially Stan. Long time sailor back into the Seaspray fold.
Have a question about the bow tube and I know what I am after is not class
legal. Has anyone significantly raised the bow tube or did not use it at
all? I remember from when I had a Seaspray years ago that it annoyed me
when a wave hit the tube and slowed the boat down or tripped over the tube.
Can the hulls or the extrusion in the bow resist the inward/upward pull of
the forestay? Has any one installed a bow tube with an arc or straight
sections that are welded? I have installed 2 3/8" bolts through the beams
in each doghouse and thickened the sleeves but I didn't strengthen the
structure under the bow tube extrusion.
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Don Wylie
Mar 20, 2016, 9:28:29 PM3/20/16
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Hi Stan
Thanks for the info and sorry for not responding earlier as I just now saw your post. Not sure what I am going to do about the bowtube. I checked with a welder about raising it fairly high but perhaps the 1 1/2 to 2 inches is all I need and that route is quite inexpensive. Two boats are going to Shuswap Lake where the wind is either light in the morning or event wind which is usually up there in velocity. There is a lot of lake to generate large waves so that is why I am interested in getting the bow tube out of the way.
Do you know of a registry of boats that was mentioned on the website? My sister now has (sailbag says) 1791 which is the boat that Cammy used to own. You probably know it's heritage because I think it came from Osoyoos. The boat that I have is 2329 and was briefly owned by a fellow in Oyama. I am interested in who had these boats and am wondering when 1791 was built.
It has been fun working on the two Seasprays and I am looking forward to doing some match sailing this summer.
Don
Donna & Stan Storwick
Mar 21, 2016, 5:34:33 PM3/21/16
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Hi Don:
I don't know of any registry of owners of Sea
Spray. Fred and Audry Van Zuiden were the owners of Glenmore boats and
were instrumental in getting the class into Canada. They eventually built
boats here and also acquired the factory in California at a later date.
The boat number you mention is somewhere in the middle of the total
produced. If it has narrow daggerboard slots of @ 1/2 inch it will likely
be prior to 1974 that it was built. Fred and Audrey beefed up the boat
around that time and the daggerboard slot went to @ 1 inch. Other things
were changed and the boats produced became heavier than the original lightweight
hulls that wer first buil. All up weight on some of the earliest boats was
often less than 165 lbs. The last boats built had a two part
styrofoam poured into the bottom to stiffen the boat. They also had
a foam core lay up that stiffened the hulls. It (the two paart foam)was
not closed cell and would wick in water. The boats left the factory at
around 200 lbs and after a few years could weigh over 240 lbs.
I have worked on a couple of these later boats and
removed the foam which contained enough water to sqeeze out by
hand. Weight of the foam was over 45 lbs. If the boat you have
is 1971 it quite possibly has or it had foam. If it is still there get rid
of it.
Those of us who got serious about the Sea Spray
have done a number of things to get the weight down close to the class minimum
for racing which is 180 pounds. If your boat is underweight you carry the
necessary weight to make it class legal. One of my sets of hulls when
completely rigged comes in at 165 lbs so for racing I carry 15 lbs extra.
It is an early US boat that originally weighed 157 lbs. I have added
material in a few key places and put in a heavier mast support tube to beef it
up a bit.
Sorry to be so verbose but hope you found the above
of interest. The lighter boats tend to do well in
regattas.
Stan
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Don Wylie
Mar 22, 2016, 3:50:54 PM3/22/16
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Thanks for the info Stan. The hulls of 1791 are quite light so I suspect they had any foam removed already. 2329 on the other hand had one hull that was very heavy and it was all I could do to lift it. I took the decks off of both hulls and found complete saturation in the heavy one. The interesting feature in the other was the two part foam did not work and was a thin dense layer that could not hold water and was quite difficult to remove. A few of the foam filled tubes that were used to stiffen the hulls are saturated but I left them alone. One of the suggestions on the website was to put a hole through the base of the tubes to allow water to move to the back of the hulls and out the drain. I chose not to do that as I was worried that I would create a situation that would allow wicking up all of the tubes. Now that the foam is gone, the tubes create a series of baffles so I created a ramp on one side to let any water pass over the baffle. In retrospect, I should have left the dense stuff as it filled the gap between the baffles.Hopefully I have done things right so no water will enter the hulls. I am not so concerned about overall weight and have re-gelcoated the top and bottom of 1791 due to all of the fiberglassing that was required and put two layers of gelcoat on the deck of 2329 to cover the repairs on the cuts needed to lift the decks and to fill assorted holes. I remember that 2236 was quite a bit heavier than your and Dave's boats even though it was right out of the factory.
Donna & Stan Storwick
Mar 23, 2016, 11:36:58 AM3/23/16
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Hi DonL
From what you wrote it appears that you are doing
things correctly. Hope to join you for a sail to see how the finished
rebuild works.
Stan
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Donna & Stan Storwick
Mar 31, 2016, 12:17:42 AM3/31/16
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Hi Gary:
II hope someone
will pick them up. If not they are worth keeping with the hopes of someone
eventually will take them off your hands.
As for sails you might want to contact North Sails in Vancouver. They
know what they are doing and with the difference in the dollar the price could
be attractive.
Stan Storwick - Osoyoos, B.C.Original Message -----
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Garyrempel <garyr...@gmail.com>: Mar 29 11:33PM -0700
I likewise have two hills and cross dams free for the taking in the north San Diego area. Gary Rempel. 760 809 9140.
( I have two newer boats fully equipped I hope to decondition and get back on the water this summer.
Question:Best price location for new sails??
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Garyrempel
Mar 31, 2016, 5:11:52 PM3/31/16
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Will do. Send me an address and I will send you an attractive $20 for your efforts in producing the newsletter.
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"Donna & Stan Storwick" <stor...@vip.net>: Mar 30 09:17PM -0700
Hi Gary:
II hope someone will pick them up. If not they are worth keeping with the hopes of someone eventually will take them off your hands.
As for sails you might want to contact North Sails in Vancouver. They know what they are doing and with the difference in the dollar the price could be attractive.
Stan Storwick - Osoyoos, B.C.Original Message -----
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Digest for seaspray...@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 2 topics Garyrempel <garyr...@gmail.com>: Mar 29 11:33PM -0700
I likewise have two hills and cross dams free for the taking in the north San Diego area. Gary Rempel. 760 809 9140.
( I have two newer boats fully equipped I hope to decondition and get back on the water this summer.
Question:Best price location for new sails??
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