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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:46:42 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Scrum] Re: Borderline between estimation and commitment
From: Gustavo Cebrian Garcia <g.cebrian.gar...@gmail.com>
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Hello,

I Would like to talk about long term estimations and commitments ( sorry if
I have not digested everything )

My main worry is about long-term estimations:

Consider this scenario:
We want to make a long-term estimation/guess ( 1 year ) because a date is
very very very important for the business, and we need
to have a minimum functionality working for that date:

In this case, what a lot of managers would do, is to multiply what they
think it is going to take by 2.

Does Agile speaks about this scenario? How far in time have you guys
estimated in an agile way. Agilel is about finding the balance
between Agility and Predictability, is not it? I know you guys mention the
predictability horizon, but I would like to hear about your experiences on
this and I will tell you mine.

Should I open another thread for this?

Gustavo.

On 28 December 2010 22:22, Michael James <mj4sc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 28, 2010, at 2:01 PM, John Clifford wrote:
>
> > Instead, the Product Owner would have worked to
> > understand the stakeholder's need in terms of implemented
> > functionality that could be objectively verified and validated
>
> I like the answers from John and Alan.  One thing I'll add: An especially
> hard part of the Product Owner's job is to maximize the amount of work that
> won't be done.  Schedule problems are prioritization problems.
>
> --mj
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Hello,<br><br>I Would like to talk about long term estimations and commitme=
nts ( sorry if I have not digested everything )<br><br>My main worry is abo=
ut long-term estimations:<br><br>Consider this scenario:<br>We want to make=
 a long-term estimation/guess ( 1 year ) because a date is very very very i=
mportant for the business, and we need<br>
to have a minimum functionality working for that date:<br><br>In this case,=
 what a lot of managers would do, is to multiply what they think it is goin=
g to take by 2.<br><br>Does Agile speaks about this scenario? How far in ti=
me have you guys estimated in an agile way. Agilel is about finding the bal=
ance<br>
between Agility and Predictability, is not it? I know you guys mention the =
predictability horizon, but I would like to hear about your experiences on =
<br>this and I will tell you mine.<br><br>Should I open another thread for =
this?<br>
<br>Gustavo.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 28 December 2010 22:22, M=
ichael James <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mj4sc...@gmail.com">mj=
4sc...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 2=
04); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Dec 28, 2010, at 2:01 PM, John Clifford wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Instead, the Product Owner would have worked to<br>
&gt; understand the stakeholder&#39;s need in terms of implemented<br>
&gt; functionality that could be objectively verified and validated<br>
<br>
</div>I like the answers from John and Alan. =A0One thing I&#39;ll add: An =
especially hard part of the Product Owner&#39;s job is to maximize the amou=
nt of work that won&#39;t be done. =A0Schedule problems are prioritization =
problems.<br>

<br>
--mj<br>
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erenceCard.com</a><br>
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