Scottish quake donations hit £8m
Jackie Mulheron
Saturday, 1 January, 2005, 14:56 GMT
Scottish quake donations hit £8m
Aid is given out to the desperate in eastern Sri Lanka
The Scottish public has so far donated £8.4m to help people affected by the
earthquake in Asia six days ago.
Across the UK a total of £50m has been pledged in just four days since the
Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC) launched an appeal for funds.
The international plea was made after more than 123,000 people died from the
Indian Ocean tidal wave.
Donations can be made to the DEC by phoning 0870 606 0900 or logging on to
its website at http://www.dec.org.uk/
The amount from Scotland is set to rise further following a collection among
100,000 revellers at Edinburgh's Hogmanay party.
'Long way to go'
Every penny collected by city council volunteers on Princes Street will go
towards the DEC fund.
Charity bosses have been staggered by the "phenomenal" public response but
urged people to dig deeper for the five million survivors of the disaster.
Peter Chirnside, of the DEC in Scotland, said: "The relief effort is the
equivalent of getting aid to the whole of Scotland's population.
"It's been a very quick response, but we've got a long, long way to go in
addressing the needs on the ground so if you think the time to donate has
passed, please think again."
Examples of how the DEC will use the money include:
£15 to buy one family plastic sheeting, a water container and purification
tablets
£35 to provide a family with enough food for a week
£100 for zinc sheeting and timber to help rebuild two family homes.
Scottish Muslims have set a target of raising £150,000 for the South Asian
victims.
The appeal was launched by international aid organisation Islamic Relief,
which across the UK has appealed for £4m.
I hope our governments match our efforts
Osama Saeed
Muslim Association of Britain
The organisation has established field offices and is distributing aid in
some of the worst hit areas including Indonesia, Sri Lanka and India.
Meanwhile, the Muslim Association of Britain has called upon the Scottish
Executive to do more in helping the relief effort.
The group is asking ministers for the £3m annual budget for helping Scottish
non-governmental organisations in international development to be allocated
to the appeal.
Osama Saeed, Scottish Spokesperson for the Muslim Association of Britain
said: "I hope our governments match our efforts, and in this regard we'd
call upon the Scottish Executive to allocate their £3m international
development budget to the victims of the tsunami.
"The scale of the tragedy deserves this kind of gesture."
Call centres have been taking the public's pledges
Scottish members of parliament have been urged by Nationalists to donate a
day's pay to the relief effort for the Indian Ocean tsunami.
The Scottish National Party said MPs and MSPs from north of the border
should follow the example of NHS Highland, who have launched a voluntary
scheme where staff can donate a day's pay.
SNP leader Alex Salmond and his deputy Nicola Sturgeon have written to the
Westminster and Scottish parliaments proposing the voluntary scheme, which
they believe could raise £200,000 if everyone chipped in.
One party which has agreed with its political rivals is the Scottish Labour
Party.
Its MSPs have all said they will donate a day's salary to the DEC.
The party's business manager at Holyrood, Margaret Curran, said: "Especially
at this time of year we need to think about the victims of this terrible
disaster.
"This is how we have chosen to make a contribution and I'm sure everyone in
Scotland will want to do what they can to help the victims."
Malcolm Fleming, of Oxfam, one of the many Scots aid workers on the spot in
Sri Lanka, welcomed the move by MSPs.
Helen Ramsay
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4139381.stm
>
> Saturday, 1 January, 2005, 14:56 GMT
>
> Scottish quake donations hit £8m
Isn't it wonderful? Heart warming even ... that we can come together like
this is the face of a catastrophe. If only we could extend that spirit of
love for our fellow humans every day!
I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday as did all three of my
daughter's families. It sure made me feel good to think that it will do
some good for those poor souls.
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Mr_K
"Helen Ramsay" <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote in message
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Just a pity the elderly, homeless etc in our country are always ignored..
but then again, I suppose it means more money for events such as this when
they happen.
Nebulous
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A rather mean and nasty post. When are the elderly and homeless ignored?
What country are you talking about?
My Granny is in constant amazement at the amount of support she gets- from
the £300 heating allowance to the Help the Aged minibus that takes her
shopping once a week. Do you actually know any elderly people? Have you any
idea how many charities there are helping elderly/homeless people?
In Asia we are talking of some 5 million people who have lost everything,
who are wandering about homeless and shocked without even clean water.
If you want to help elderly and homeless people then that is laudable. Even
the elderly and homeless in this country have riches beyond the dreams of
much of the third world. The main thing our elderly and homeless people need
is time. They need someone to be there. Someone to talk to, someone to ease
the loneliness and isolation they feel. None of that is mutually exclusive
to donating £50 to the Asian disaster. Its not an either or situation. You
are perfectly free to do both!
Neb
Robert Henderson
<JackieM...@aol.com> writes
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4139381.stm
>
>Saturday, 1 January, 2005, 14:56 GMT
>
>Scottish quake donations hit £8m
>
>Aid is given out to the desperate in eastern Sri Lanka
>
>The Scottish public has so far donated £8.4m to help people affected by the
>earthquake in Asia six days ago.
>
>Across the UK a total of £50m has been pledged in just four days since the
>Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC) launched an appeal for funds.
It should be pointed out that this sum includes corporate donations,
which constitute a substantial part of the total.
The British public cares so much that they have, including corporate
donations over which they have no control, donated a gigantic £1 per
head. In short, they do not generally care. This is an elite project,
designed to promote the internationalist credo. RH
--
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Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Joe Howie
"Jackie Mulheron" <JackieM...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4139381.stm
>
> Scottish quake donations hit £8m
>
> the earthquake in Asia six days ago.
I wonder how much the people of Iran and Iraq have contributed. Or are they
not required to contribute?
Mr_K
> What country are you talking about?
the fact that this "I gave money to help the suffering" attitude is spewed
forth, yet, when a simple queastion is asked on what the same people do for
the daily suffering in their own country.. well... there is usually a lot of
silence...
> My Granny is in constant amazement at the amount of support she gets-
> from
> the Ł300 heating allowance to the Help the Aged minibus that takes her
> shopping once a week. Do you actually know any elderly people? Have you
> any
> idea how many charities there are helping elderly/homeless people?
I'm glad your granny is happy with what she has, and the same goes to anyone
and everyone who is happy with what they have. The point is, in this day and
age, WHY should there be any charities for the elderly? Probably most of
them have worked their lives to benefit themselvesa and their country, yet,
even in their old age they are still hammered by tax etc... When we ALL
reach a persionable age, surely we should have the chance to live and ENJOY
our remaining years without having to worry about how to warm our home and
feed ourselves once we have paid all our bills.
> In Asia we are talking of some 5 million people who have lost everything,
> who are wandering about homeless and shocked without even clean water.
And this is a daily occurence for many other countries who do not get
press.. but oh, hey, not trendy enough for people to stand in the bar and
say "Hey, I've donated fifty quid to the disaster fund, how much have you
put in?"
> If you want to help elderly and homeless people then that is laudable.
> Even
> the elderly and homeless in this country have riches beyond the dreams of
> much of the third world. The main thing our elderly and homeless people
> need
> is time. They need someone to be there. Someone to talk to, someone to
> ease
> the loneliness and isolation they feel. None of that is mutually
> exclusive
> to donating Ł50 to the Asian disaster. Its not an either or situation. You
> are perfectly free to do both!
>
> Neb
I do things in my own way, the difference is that I do it and get on with my
life. I'm not running around trying to show how generous I am. All we read
in the press and listen to on the news is HOW MUCH WE ARE GIVING.. yet now
we have the backlash starting from the resident of the country who are still
suffering because the money is helping the tourists first and NOT THE PEOPLE
WHO HAVE TO LIVE THERE!
So if you think my post is nasty - Live with it... someone close to you may
not be around tomorrow... see how life changes after that..
Robert Henderson
<h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> writes
>I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday
How much? RH
Mr_K
"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <33p386F...@individual.net>, Helen Ramsay
> <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> writes
>>I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday
>
>
> How much? RH
Surely it's the thought that counts?
Jock.
>> A rather mean and nasty post. When are the elderly and homeless ignored?
>> What country are you talking about?
>I usually find the defenses go up on some people when we try to bring home
>the fact that this "I gave money to help the suffering" attitude is spewed
>forth, yet, when a simple queastion is asked on what the same people do for
>the daily suffering in their own country.. well... there is usually a lot of
>silence...
"Defenses"?
--
Jock.
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Mr_K
"Jock." <real_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:42:57 -0000, "Mr_K" <sm...@meaty.com> wrote:
>
>>> A rather mean and nasty post. When are the elderly and homeless ignored?
>>> What country are you talking about?
>>I usually find the defenses go up on some people when we try to bring home
>>the fact that this "I gave money to help the suffering" attitude is spewed
>>forth, yet, when a simple queastion is asked on what the same people do
>>for
>>the daily suffering in their own country.. well... there is usually a lot
>>of
>>silence...
>
> "Defenses"?
>
> --
>
> Jock.
Mr_K
"Walt Davidson" <g3...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:10:43 +0000, Robert Henderson
> <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <33p386F...@individual.net>, Helen Ramsay
>><h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> writes
>>>I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday
>>
>>
>>How much? RH
>
How do you spell that?
Robert Peffers
"Nebulous" <Nebu...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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snip
> A rather mean and nasty post. When are the elderly and homeless ignored?
> What country are you talking about?
but a political union of four countries who share one monarch.
>
> My Granny is in constant amazement at the amount of support she gets-
> from
> the £300 heating allowance to the Help the Aged minibus that takes her
> shopping once a week. Do you actually know any elderly people? Have you
> any
> idea how many charities there are helping elderly/homeless people?
It depends on how you look at things but, in the first place, the £300 is a
real insult to the elderly in the UK. The elderly have, mainly, paid all
their working life,(50 years or more), into the system. Without their
payments there would be no system. Yet the present Labour Government can
always find funds to finance child allowances and children's hand-outs. They
pay allowances to those who have never, ever, been employed,
prisoners/ex-offenders, drunks and drug addicts. They can always find funds
for fighting wars in such as Afghanistan and Iraq in support of the USA.
This is particularly bad as the evidence shows that both these wars were
totally unnecessary as neither country were really any threat against either
the USA or UK. I have no gripe about making war against Bin Laden and his
ilk but Bin Laden is still at large and Bin Laden is still making war on the
World at large.
The elderly are told the government cannot afford to pay out any funds to
those elderly who have paid into the system. The elderly should not need to
be means-tested and be paid extra for Winter Heating but should have a
reasonable Retirement Pension that would mean they did not need extra
heating to prevent them from death in the Winter. As to those schemes, such
as Mini-busses, and other charitable deeds, we all know just how cold, and
patchy, charity can be. Many old folks drop through the holes in the system
and many more are too proud to beg for hand-outs. Think about it - if an
elderly person is house-bound and has no contact with the outside World- how
do the charities know they even exist?
Do you realise just how demeaning it is to feel you must now rely upon
charitable hand-outs after you have worked hard for 50 years and paid your
Social Security stamp without fail every week of those 50 years?
Furthermore, many of us have also paid into works pension schemes and we
were also forced to pay Graduated Pension Contributions and some other hare
brained schemes throughout our lives. We have paid ALL our dues and we
deserve to have a no-strings pension paid to us without means-testing,
taxation or the iniquitous, ever increasing Council Tax. We have paid our
dues now give us our due.
So please do not insult our intelligence and, perhaps, use your energy to
change this Labour Government's views that we old folk are a useless drain
upon the country. Just remember that this is the Labour government who just
passed a law to give a free hand-out to each and every child born in the UK,
(none of whom have ever paid a single Social Security stamp). This is also
the government who actually tax the old folks pensions and who allow the
local councils to levy the iniquitous, ever increasing, unfair Council Tax,
that invariable increases by more than the Government's calculated, "Cost of
Living", increase each and every year. Can you not see that this Council Tax
not only eats up the Cost-Of-Living Pension increase but actually causes it
to decrease the actual monetary value of the meagre pension we now, "Enjoy".
> Neb
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Robert Henderson
<sm...@meaty.com> writes
Robert Henderson
<g3...@despammed.com> writes
>><h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> writes
>>>I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday
>>
>>
>>How much? RH
>
>
Translation: How dare a liberal bigot be questioned about their
contribution. RH
Jock.
>
>"Jock." <real_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:6j2gt05h3f01p4ukl...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:42:57 -0000, "Mr_K" <sm...@meaty.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> A rather mean and nasty post. When are the elderly and homeless ignored?
>>>> What country are you talking about?
>>>I usually find the defenses go up on some people when we try to bring home
>>>the fact that this "I gave money to help the suffering" attitude is spewed
>>>forth, yet, when a simple queastion is asked on what the same people do
>>>for
>>>the daily suffering in their own country.. well... there is usually a lot
>>>of
>>>silence...
>>
>> "Defenses"?
>Defenses - dedoors - decar - dechipshop - defoolishboy - deobber :)
Twat!
Helen Ramsay
> "Helen Ramsay" <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote
> > "Jackie Mulheron" <JackieM...@aol.com> wrote
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4139381.stm
> >> Saturday, 1 January, 2005, 14:56 GMT
> >> Scottish quake donations hit £8m
> >
> > Isn't it wonderful? Heart warming even ... that we can
> > come together like this is the face of a catastrophe. If
> > only we could extend that spirit of love for our fellow
> > humans every day!
> > I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday as did
> > all three of my daughters' families. It sure made me feel
> > good to think that it will do some good for those poor souls.
>
> Just a pity the elderly, homeless etc in our country are
> always ignored.. but then again, I suppose it means
> more money for events such as this when they happen.
They are? My Mother (89) lives in Fife and she is labouring under the
delusion that she is well looked after in her old age by the government.
She lives in sheltered housing where she is visited daily to make sure
that everything is OK with her. It's an ideal situation ... independence,
but at thew same time, someone there if needed as all the flats are
connected via two-way intercoms to the woman who looks out for them. Her
rent and heating (up to the age of 80 it's £300 and over 80 it's £400 a
year) are subsidised. If there are any problems with her flat, a call to
the local council has someone out the same or the next day to fix the
problem. When I was visiting in June she had an infestation of ants and
there was a chap in to spray the same day. When he left he told her that
if she saw any more in a week to call and he'd come round and spray again.
Prescription drugs are free. The amount my Mother takes constitutes a
large part of the National Debt :) She always says if she was turned
upside down she'd rattle!
By the by, she also made a contribution towards helping those in southeast
Asia:) If she can do it then I'm sure most folks can.
allan connochie
"Nebulous" <Nebu...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
I agree it comes across as that though maybe it wasn't intended to do so.
The disaster is of course unprecedented and it's happened in an area where
many of the people have very little compared with us anyway. If anyone
still wants to donate but doesn't know how to.............
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=3502005
Allan
Helen Ramsay
> Helen Ramsay <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> writes
> >I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday
>
> How much? RH
If I told you I would surely have to kill you Rabbie:)
Helen Ramsay
> > A rather mean and nasty post. When are the elderly
> > and homeless ignored?
> > What country are you talking about?
> I usually find the defenses go up on some people when
> we try to bring home the fact that this "I gave money to
> help the suffering" attitude is spewed forth,
In reverse, defenses may well go up by those who *didn't* offer any help,
eh?
I'm sorry if you got the impression that I have a *"I gave money to help
the suffering" attitude* since my only reason for the post was to perhaps
encourage any of our posters who hadn't done so, to make a contribution
now.
> yet, when a simple queastion is asked on what the same
> people do for the daily suffering in their own country.. well...
> there is usually a lot of silence...
Sorry, but I can't let you away with that! I could tell you all the
things I actually do, but it would surely elicit another "help the
suffering attitude is spewed forth" comment so I won't bother. Suffice it
to say, I don't fall into your "lot of silence" category.
Helen Ramsay
> "Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:fTZJeeATL$1BF...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >>I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday
> > How much? RH
>
> Surely it's the thought that counts?
Exactly! Widow's mite and all that :)
Helen Ramsay
>Robert Henderson <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Helen Ramsay<h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> writes
> >>I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday
> >How much? RH
> How impertinent!
That's oor Rab! Dinnae pey ony attention, Ah dinnae:)
The poster writing seems to be garbled. RH Beat you tae it Rab!
Derek F.
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Derek.
http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~ward/papers/La_Palma_grl.pdf
A mega-tsunami is simply a gigantic wave, one big enough to cross oceans and
destroy cities. They can be thousands of feet high moving at supersonic
speeds. They can be caused by huge meteors crashing into the ocean, or by
massive landslides. No boat or building hit by a mega tsunami could survive.
But now scientists believe that we could be sitting on a time bomb, that
sooner or later one will destroy New York, Boston and Miami, and that
nothing could stop it.
The largest tsunami in recorded history was in Lituya Bay, Canada, 1958. An
earthquake measuring 8.3 on the Richter scale caused 40 million cubic metres
of rock to fall into the sea. A wave more than half a kilometre high was
created that surged through the bay devastating all in its path. This was
not even a mega-tsunami, by these standards it was tiny, but it did show
scientists what sort of wave a small landslide could cause. But what would
be the effect of a big one?
Scientists hunted that world for sites that could potentially cause a mega
tsunami. They discovered that at least eleven mega tsunamis had happened in
the last 200,000 years, caused by island collapses in the Hawaiian and
Canary islands.
The island of La Palma, in the Canary Islands off the coast of North Africa,
was discovered to be in great danger of collapsing. The island is volcanic
and during an eruption of the Cumbre Vieja volcano in 1949 part of the
island slipped a few metres into the sea before stopping. Another eruption
could cause the western flank of the island to collapse in the Atlantic
Ocean.
No one knows. It will happen during an eruption of Cumbre Vieja. It is an
active volcano, last erupting in 1949. However the next eruption may not
destroy the island, the next 10 may not. Only on thing is certain - one-day
an incredible force will surge through the Atlantic Ocean. It would be far
bigger than any wave ever seen for thousands of years. 500 billion tonnes of
rock are waiting to collapse into the ocean at terrific speed. The collapse
would create nearly 5,000,000,000,000,000 (5 thousand trillion) joules of
kinetic energy, which would be converted into a colossal wave 900 metres
high with awesome speed - within ten minutes it would have moved 250
kilometres. The landslide would continue to move underwater, powering the
wave as it goes.
No coastline in the North Atlantic would be spared. Britain, France, Spain
and Portugal would all be badly hit North Africa would be hit by 100 metre
waves, but the main wave would travel west. It would storm across the
Atlantic in hours, hitting the Caribbean and Brazil badly. However, the real
damage would be to the East coast of the USA.
By the time it had travelled the 4000 miles to America the wave would be
lower and wider. It would now be just 50 metres high but many kilometres
long, allowing it to sweep up to 20 miles in land, destroying everything in
its path. Boston, New York and Miami would virtually be wiped off the map.
Skyscrapers would be bulldozed as if they weren't there. Bridges would be
ripped from their foundations. And virtually every human in these cities
would be killed. There would be indirect consequences around the world. The
events of the 11 September wiped millions off stock markets around the
world. What would be the effects of the destruction of not only the rest of
New York, but also the rest of the East Coast on the world's economies?
We have no technology that can stop a volcano erupting, no support that can
hold 500 billion tonnes of rock and no barrier that can stop a wave moving
at 500 miles per hour. All we can do is evacuate. But can we evacuate tens
of millions of people with just a few hours notice? Unless evacuation plans
were incredibly well thought out, no. Imagine New York's grid locked streets
trying to cope with every person in the city on them. The alternative is
evacuating when the volcano starts to erupt, possibly giving a few weeks
warning. However, the island may not collapse on the next eruption, or even
the next ten. Would we risk evacuating millions of people on the off chance?
Could we risk not to?
Helen Ramsay
> Even the elderly and homeless in this country have riches
> beyond the dreams of much of the third world.
You're always so sensible Neb :)
My Mother certainly agrees with you.
Michilín
Yes, we overseas Scots all emigrated to protest the government policy
in Scotland of trying to keep as many homeless and elderly living
under bridges as possible, so that every penny the country can raise
could be spent on helping the Taliban and suchlike to enjoy a standard
of living that would stun most Americans.
May I ask why you not spoken out until now? Could it be that you have
always been a half-witted prick, or is this a self-promoting stupidity
that you have dreamed up especially for this thread?
Michilín
Steve Barlow
wrote:
<snip>
>> yet, when a simple queastion is asked on what the same
>> people do for the daily suffering in their own country.. well...
>> there is usually a lot of silence...
>
>Sorry, but I can't let you away with that! I could tell you all the
>things I actually do, but it would surely elicit another "help the
>suffering attitude is spewed forth" comment so I won't bother. Suffice it
>to say, I don't fall into your "lot of silence" category.
>
>Cheers, Helen
Lots of aid is going out thankfully
but I am a tad annoyed at the "Jobsworth" attitude of the Sri Lankan
government officials.
Here is a link to paperwork required to send actual supplies there
http://www.priu.gov.lk/CNO%20Website/ndmc/import_procedures_for_relief_commodities.htm
on top of which it is reliably reported in another newsgroup that "donations"
were required to get the paperwork cleared.
--
Steve Barlow
Who did not notice much aid when 25000 died of flu one winter in the uk a few
years ago.
Helen Ramsay
> Neb wrote
> > In Asia we are talking of some 5 million people who have
> > lost everything, who are wandering about homeless and
> >shocked without even clean water.
> And this is a daily occurence for many other countries
> who do not get press..
I'm sure they have all had press at one time, and eventually the
catastrophe in southeast Asia will give way on the front pages to some
other world event. That's life. It doesn't mean that the 'other countries'
are not still being served on an on-going basis by many charities.
> but oh, hey, not trendy enough for people to stand
> in the bar and say "Hey, I've donated fifty quid to the
> disaster fund, how much have you put in?"
I'm not trendy. I don't stand in bars. I'm an OAP and I donated more than
you just said :)
> I do things in my own way, the difference is that I do it
> and get on with my life.
Good for you.
> I'm not running around trying to show how generous I am.
That wasn't my intention at all. I might have donated 10 pence :) I've
seen little kids at Red Cross offices emptying their piggy banks. As I
said, it was just a friendly wee nudge to my fellow posters on scs. I'm
afraid I was guilty of not looking at all the groups that it was
cross-posted to.
> All we read in the press and listen to on the news is
> HOW MUCH WE ARE GIVING..
It makes a welcome change from some of the soul-searing news we're exposed
to on a daily basis.
>yet now we have the backlash starting from the resident
>of the country who are still suffering because the money is
> helping the tourists first and NOT THE PEOPLE
> WHO HAVE TO LIVE THERE!
Do you have a URL for this news please. I haven't read it in my local
paper or heard it reported on TV.
> So if you think my post is nasty - Live with it... someone
> close to you may not be around tomorrow... see how life
> changes after that..
We all lose people we love at some point in life ... that's just the way
it is unfortunately. But not usually on the magnitude of these losses.
Our family thought (and still do) that it was a tragedy when my 28-year
old nephew died as the result of an accident while holidaying in Greece,
but as the old cliché goes ... life goes on. It certainly doesn't stop us
from having compassion for the people in southeast Asia (or anywhere else
that disasters occur) and helping out in any way we can.
I'm sorry my post so obviously rattled your chain :(
--
Michilín
>> A rather mean and nasty post. When are the elderly and homeless ignored?
>> What country are you talking about?
>I usually find the defenses go up on some people when we try to bring home
>the fact that this "I gave money to help the suffering" attitude is spewed
>forth, yet, when a simple queastion is asked on what the same people do for
>the daily suffering in their own country.. well... there is usually a lot of
>silence...
>
>> My Granny is in constant amazement at the amount of support she gets-
>> from
>> the £300 heating allowance to the Help the Aged minibus that takes her
>> to donating £50 to the Asian disaster. Its not an either or situation. You
>> are perfectly free to do both!
>>
>> Neb
>I do things in my own way, the difference is that I do it and get on with my
>life. I'm not running around trying to show how generous I am. All we read
>in the press and listen to on the news is HOW MUCH WE ARE GIVING.. yet now
>we have the backlash starting from the resident of the country who are still
>suffering because the money is helping the tourists first and NOT THE PEOPLE
>WHO HAVE TO LIVE THERE!
>
>So if you think my post is nasty - Live with it... someone close to you may
>not be around tomorrow... see how life changes after that..
This post reeks of, "They're aa oot o step except oor Jock".
Your "purporting to be social commentary" post is racism. If your
argument is taken to its logical conclusion, then anyone in trouble
who is not Scottish, would be ignored in a Scotland controlled by you.
Newspapers would run headlines like:
"English crash family dies as Scottish hospital refuses treatment!"
or:
"Irish family robbed by Scots dies of hunger as locals refuse help!"
And by the way, why are you using an abbreviation of your name -
shouldn't that be Mr. KKK?
Michilín
Nebulous
> > A rather mean and nasty post. When are the elderly and homeless ignored?
> > What country are you talking about?
> I usually find the defenses go up on some people when we try to bring home
> the fact that this "I gave money to help the suffering" attitude is spewed
> forth, yet, when a simple queastion is asked on what the same people do
for
> the daily suffering in their own country.. well... there is usually a lot
of
> silence...
Well I'm not commenting on what I'm doing for either, but you usually find
that people who will help elderly people at home are the same people who
will contribute to help those overseas, and the cynics are the ones who
never help anyone. So you still haven't answered my questions. What country
are you posting from? Where are the elderly ignored?
> > My Granny is in constant amazement at the amount of support she gets-
> > from
> > the Ł300 heating allowance to the Help the Aged minibus that takes her
> > shopping once a week. Do you actually know any elderly people? Have you
> > any
> > idea how many charities there are helping elderly/homeless people?
> I'm glad your granny is happy with what she has, and the same goes to
anyone
> and everyone who is happy with what they have. The point is, in this day
and
> age, WHY should there be any charities for the elderly? Probably most of
> them have worked their lives to benefit themselvesa and their country,
yet,
> even in their old age they are still hammered by tax etc... When we ALL
> reach a persionable age, surely we should have the chance to live and
ENJOY
> our remaining years without having to worry about how to warm our home and
> feed ourselves once we have paid all our bills.
Thats the point, they don't have to. The basics of life are attended to very
well for most elderly people and this Government- after a shaky start- has
done quite well by them. Whst we have done however is leave the Government
to do it, which means older people can feed, clothe and heat themselves, but
don't have enough social contact.
>
> > In Asia we are talking of some 5 million people who have lost
everything,
> > who are wandering about homeless and shocked without even clean water.
> And this is a daily occurence for many other countries who do not get
> press.. but oh, hey, not trendy enough for people to stand in the bar and
> say "Hey, I've donated fifty quid to the disaster fund, how much have you
> put in?"
So a disaster like this, with 170,000 dead, the homes of 5 million destroyed
and without fresh water is a daily occurrence? Where? Maybe I should be
asking which planet you are on rather than which country. Surely donating
fifty quid is better than doing nothing. Who is to say that the same people
donating don't regularly give to famine relief in Africa as well? As I said
earlier the two are not mutually exclusive.
And what is the link between the well-being of people close to me and that
of the tsunami survivors. Are you trying to say that if I suffered more I'd
care less about other people? Its entirely possible to look after your own
and give a bit to others as well you know.
Neb
Helen Ramsay
> Just a pity the elderly, homeless etc in our country are always
ignored..
If you are in Scotland, this looks like a good site. Try passing the info
to the next homeless person you encounter.
http://scotland.shelter.org.uk/home/index.cfm
I doubt they are "always ignored". Many are homeless because of
alcoholism, drugs and mental illness. I'm not saying that all the homeless
fall into this category, but a surprising number do. Just type 'homeless
by choice' into your search engine:(
S.F. man is homeless -- by choice
He has a trust fund but prefers life on the street, off the wagon
*"I'm rich, but I like it out here. I ain't sleeping inside," Dinarde
mumbled through sips of vodka last summer, as he sat with legs splayed in
front of St. Francis of Assisi Church. "You can't make me." *
http://www.ljworld.com/section/citynews/story/155726
Homeless man's choice perplexes, angers some
By Dave Ranney, Journal-World
Sunday, December 21, 2003
Robert Gilmore is back on the street and at least one downtown resident
isn't happy about it.
"I'm not a heartless person; in fact, I'm a very caring person," said Jim
Denman, who lives in an apartment above the parking garage at 10th and New
Hampshire. "But this guy is living 100 feet from my front door. He sleeps
on the sidewalk, he urinates in public. I've seen him strip down and bathe
himself, using a two-liter of water -- in public view."
He has rejected frequent offers of help from Bert Nash Community Mental
Health Center.
"As a mental health services provider, we can't force people into
services; people have a right of self-determination," said Gary Miller,
homeless services coordinator at Bert Nash.
Until Gilmore's actions clearly pose a threat to himself or others, Bert
Nash's hands are tied, Miller said, noting that sleeping outside in
subfreezing temperatures isn't enough of a threat.
"It's not a choice that you or I would make, that's true," he said. "But
there are some people who choose to be homeless and, unfortunately, that's
their choice to make."
These are of course, American examples, but I'm sure instances like this
occur all over.
Michilín
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
How much did you give Robert? How about putting the receipt on the Net
so we can all admire your generosity and take back the things we've
said about you in the past? Or is it "in the post" - my personal guess
at exactly how generous you've been...?
I would also remind you of something Mother Theresa said: "It isn't
charity until its hurts" (or words to that effect).
I was incredibly impressed by the fact that the Scots gave the
equivalent of £2 per inhabitant. I believe this is the highest amount
given by the citizens of any country. I reject any notion of "we're
better than you are" but simply want to point out that Scots, despite
their (often self-promoted) image of being stingy and cheap are in
fact the warm-hearted and generous people that I grew up among and
have always admired for their willingness to go without in order to
help others.
I have to tell you Robert that of all the horse's arses that post in
SCS, you are up there among the champions.
Michilín
Helen Ramsay
>
> The disaster is of course unprecedented and it's happened in
> an area where many of the people have very little compared
> with us anyway. If anyone still wants to donate but doesn't
> know how to.............
>
> http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=3502005
Thanks Allan. That's helpful:)
Helen Ramsay
> Lots of aid is going out thankfully
> but I am a tad annoyed at the "Jobsworth" attitude of the
> Sri Lankan government officials.
> Here is a link to paperwork required to send actual
> supplies there
>
http://www.priu.gov.lk/CNO%20Website/ndmc/import_procedures_for_relief_commodities.htm
I just had a quick scran Steve but it seems like a lot of palaver to get
aid to people who have been suffering for a week now!
> on top of which it is reliably reported in another
> newsgroup that "donations"
> were required to get the paperwork cleared.
Unbelievable!
> Who did not notice much aid when 25000 died of flu
> one winter in the uk a few years ago.
Sorry, but I missed that one. My Mother, sister, brothers etc, etc, :)
still live there but I don't recall them mentioning it and I must have
missed reading about it. Don't they do mass flu shots?
--
Mr_K
>>> "Defenses"?
>
>>Defenses - dedoors - decar - dechipshop - defoolishboy - deobber :)
>
> Twat!
>
> --
>
> Jock.
>
Mr_K
>
:) You read the answer on the back page!!!!!
Helen Ramsay
> Perhaps someone will help you if the next Tsunami hits here.
One can but live in hope Derek :)
Thanks for a very interesting post.
--
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
> http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~ward/papers/La_Palma_grl.pdf
Michilín
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <33ojhiF...@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
><JackieM...@aol.com> writes
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4139381.stm
>>
>>Saturday, 1 January, 2005, 14:56 GMT
>>
>>Scottish quake donations hit £8m
>>
>>Aid is given out to the desperate in eastern Sri Lanka
>>
>>The Scottish public has so far donated £8.4m to help people affected by the
>>earthquake in Asia six days ago.
>>
>>Across the UK a total of £50m has been pledged in just four days since the
>>Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC) launched an appeal for funds.
>
>It should be pointed out that this sum includes corporate donations,
>which constitute a substantial part of the total.
>
>The British public cares so much that they have, including corporate
>donations over which they have no control, donated a gigantic £1 per
>head. In short, they do not generally care. This is an elite project,
>designed to promote the internationalist credo. RH
>--
Really? I thought it was designed to save the lives of perhaps a
million peole less fortunate than we are.
The fact is that your opinion in such a context is meaningless as it
is based on what you read and see on television and you lack the
empathy to understand what it must be like to see your family killed
in front of you and your life torn apart.
I saw children dying of hunger in the Sahel and nearly died myself
from my frustration at my own inability to do anything meaningful,
apart from handing over every penny I had to Doctors Without Borders
who then asked me to leave as I was hindering rather than helping.
You, Robert and Mr. KKK would have taken the first plane home,
wallets buttoned down, thinking, "Fuck 'em!"
And that's what makes both of you human trash who can be safely
ignored by rational, reasonable and caring people, because both of you
are emotionally impaired. You and Mr. KKK come across as a pair of
thoroughly unpleasant racists and bigots, which is precisely what you
are. That's why nobody gives a shit about your pathetic tale of your
run-in with Tony Blair, Robert - you make it clear that you have no
sympathy for anyone else, so nobody wastes their sympathy on you.
Michilín
Michilín
wrote:
>
>"Jackie Mulheron" <JackieM...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:33ojhiF...@individual.net...
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4139381.stm
>>
>> Scottish quake donations hit £8m
>>
>> The Scottish public has so far donated £8.4m to help people affected by
>> the earthquake in Asia six days ago.
>
>I wonder how much the people of Iran and Iraq have contributed. Or are they
>not required to contribute?
>
>
Nobody is required to contribute. Experience shows that people who
write posts like yours will not give a penny, using the post you just
wrote as a way to weasel our of doing what mature adults do without a
second thought.
Experience also shows that if you ever find yourself in the victims'
situation, you will whine and complain twice as much as the other
victims.
You are the person who stands unhelping on the quayside as someone
drowns, the man who does not throw a life belt, saying later to the
Press that "it wasn't any of my business". The real reason? You were
standing on the victim's wallet, wating for a chance to pick it up and
pocket it without anyone else noticing.
Hope that helps explain your character to the humans posting here.
Michilín
Nebulous
"Helen Ramsay" <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote in message
Thanks Helen
at 92 my Granny is just a little older than your Mother. She feels the most
prosperous years of her life have been the 30 or so on the pension. I find
it almost embarrassing to hear her go on about how fortunate she thinks she
is.
I'm not sure yer man even knows any elderly people. I'm also convinced that
we don't have a strictly limited fund to help others. The same people who
give abroad are more likely to give a bit of time to elderly people, rather
than the reverse.
Neb
Deirdre Sholto Douglas
Robert Henderson wrote:
>
> In article <cr90g1$rp8$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>, Mr_K
> <sm...@meaty.com> writes
> >
> >"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:fTZJeeATL$1BF...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >> In article <33p386F...@individual.net>, Helen Ramsay
> >> <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> writes
> >>>I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday
> >>
> >>
> >> How much? RH
> >
> >Surely it's the thought that counts?
> >
> >
> Yep, and the thought here is how much? RH
Don't be a bigger boor than you can help, Robert...
it's none of your concern.
Deirdre
kochanski
> "Helen Ramsay" <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote in message
> news:33qp37F...@individual.net...
>
>>"Nebulous" <Nebu...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
>>
>>
>>>Even the elderly and homeless in this country have riches
>>>beyond the dreams of much of the third world.
>
> prosperous years of her life have been the 30 or so on the pension. I find
> it almost embarrassing to hear her go on about how fortunate she thinks she
> is.
She's one of the lucky ones then, not all elderly are so well off. My
gran (78) and grampa (79) both still work full time, 6 days a week in
very low-paid work, because they simply can't afford not to. And they
live a very simple life (neither smoke, grampa tries to drink but gran
won't let him :p, they don't socialise or take holidays, they shop at
car boot sales etc.).
My other gran (a widow) was the same - worked as a cleaner until 75, led
a very humble life... until she had a heart attack at 81 and suddenly
social services were throwing pots of money at her (at least they did
once my aunty spent weeks bending their ear and filling in forms on her
behalf). Suddenly her benefits increased three-fold, she got all sorts
of other allowances, had central heating and double glazing put in for
free, was offered places at local day centres... Stuff that should have
been available in the preceding 20 years IMO. She was entitled to
everything she got but she should have had that help years before when
she was already an old woman and getting up at 6am to clean other
people's houses. Her entitlement only changed when she became sick - too
little too late.
So your granny is certainly fortunate, but not all our elderly are
financially prosperous. Things may be slowly changing but we're a far
way from an equal society that cares for our elderly; financially and
socially. It may be a completely different league from those poor
buggers in Asia but there are still thousands who live in relative
poverty in this country, something we should be damned ashamed about.
http://www.lapa.org.uk/Poverty/Factsheets/Elderly/elderly.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/1052806.stm
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5032538.html
etc.
--
kochanski
Robert Henderson
<h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> writes
>"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote
>> Helen Ramsay <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> writes
>> >I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday
>>
>> How much? RH
>
>If I told you I would surely have to kill you Rabbie:)
>
>Cheers, Helen
>hramsay at cogeco dot ca
>
>
--
Robert Henderson
<Lordp...@NOXbtinternet.com> writes
>They can be thousands of feet high
Really? RH
> moving at supersonic speeds.
That means 700+ mph. Again, really? RH
> They can be
>caused by huge meteors crashing into the ocean, or by massive landslides. No
>boat or building hit by a mega tsunami could survive. But now scientists believe
>that we could be sitting on a time bomb, that sooner or later one will destroy
>New York, Boston and Miami, and that nothing could stop it.
>
>The largest tsunami in recorded history was in Lituya Bay, Canada, 1958. An
>earthquake measuring 8.3 on the Richter scale caused 40 million cubic metres of
>rock to fall into the sea. A wave more than half a kilometre high
So, less than 2000 feet for the largest. RH
Mr_K
> I saw children dying of hunger in the Sahel and nearly died myself
> from my frustration at my own inability to do anything meaningful,
> apart from handing over every penny I had to Doctors Without Borders
> who then asked me to leave as I was hindering rather than helping.
saving skills or talents that would have been of benefit to these people?
Surely that tells us a lot? You think it's all down to just handing over
money and the problems will go away! Excuse me.... but err... remove the
blindfold and take the big stick from out of your erse.. oh beat me beat
because I am unable to help! Some of us work in the field of helping people
7 days a week, maybe we just see things in the true light rather than
through the rose lenses you seem to wear.
> You, Robert and Mr. KKK would have taken the first plane home,
> wallets buttoned down, thinking, "Fuck 'em!"
No no no.... you got that wrong mate.. wallet would be open wide.... buying
me any first class place I could get freshened up and somethign decent to
eat. Sounds sick? Sounds sad? You seen the photographs in the newspapers
where there are tourists sunning thmesleves on liungers while therer has
been a disaster and BODIES all over the place! Sheesh... now c'mon....
> And that's what makes both of you human trash who can be safely
> ignored by rational, reasonable and caring people, because both of you
> are emotionally impaired. You and Mr. KKK come across as a pair of
> thoroughly unpleasant racists and bigots, which is precisely what you
> are. That's why nobody gives a shit about your pathetic tale of your
> run-in with Tony Blair, Robert - you make it clear that you have no
> sympathy for anyone else, so nobody wastes their sympathy on you.
>
Great to see that you know me so well, after reading so little of the trash
I write :)
The thing is... while your pathetic attempt to ease your own little soul
will soon be forgotten, the real people who will make a real difference will
do it without expecting to have any thanks.
Mr_K
> So your granny is certainly fortunate, but not all our elderly are
> financially prosperous. Things may be slowly changing but we're a far way
> from an equal society that cares for our elderly; financially and
> socially. It may be a completely different league from those poor buggers
> in Asia but there are still thousands who live in relative poverty in this
> country, something we should be damned ashamed about.
>
> http://www.lapa.org.uk/Poverty/Factsheets/Elderly/elderly.htm
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/1052806.stm
> http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5032538.html
>
> etc.
>
>
> --
> kochanski
what we are about to face.. yet... we do nothing about it!!!!
Nice being back again :)
Blackthorn
> The crazy thing is... we are all going to face old age and we are seeing
> what we are about to face.. yet... we do nothing about it!!!!
Rubbish.
Personally, I'm turning the house upside down looking for the elixir of
youth.
Deirdre Sholto Douglas
You had it and you lost it in the _house_?!
Deirdre
Mr_K
> I agree it comes across as that though maybe it wasn't intended to do so.
> The disaster is of course unprecedented and it's happened in an area where
> many of the people have very little compared with us anyway. If anyone
> still wants to donate but doesn't know how to.............
>
> http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=3502005
>
>
>
Well written Allan, it's nice when someone can see through the emotional and
pathetic "I GAVE" mentality that some people appear to have.
Mr_K
"Blackthorn" <nena...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:33r452F...@individual.net...
C'mon... there ain't no way it's gonna work that fast!!!!!!!!!!!!! **DUCKS**
;)
Mr_K
"Deirdre Sholto Douglas" <finch.e...@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:41D85B29...@rcn.com...
few gins too many :)
Nebulous
"kochanski" <kochanski@dontspam_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:33r139F...@individual.net...
> Nebulous wrote:
> > "Helen Ramsay" <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote in message
> > news:33qp37F...@individual.net...
> >
> >>"Nebulous" <Nebu...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
> >>
> >>
> >>>Even the elderly and homeless in this country have riches
> >>>beyond the dreams of much of the third world.
> >
> > at 92 my Granny is just a little older than your Mother. She feels the
most
> > prosperous years of her life have been the 30 or so on the pension. I
find
> > it almost embarrassing to hear her go on about how fortunate she thinks
she
> > is.
>
> She's one of the lucky ones then, not all elderly are so well off. My
> gran (78) and grampa (79) both still work full time, 6 days a week in
> very low-paid work, because they simply can't afford not to. And they
> live a very simple life (neither smoke, grampa tries to drink but gran
> won't let him :p, they don't socialise or take holidays, they shop at
> car boot sales etc.).
Well its impossible to be certain, but I very much doubt if your
Grandparents have any need to do this at all. They may find there is a great
deal of help to be had, if they only know where to look. of course it
depends on personal circumstances. The worst off pensioners are probably
those who own their own home and have limited savings.
I sometimes help people claim state benefits. I also see myself as being
reasonably well paid. At one point I did an exercise on myself and
discovered I could actually be better off on state benefits. I was going to
be about £500 a month worse off, but was going to save over £700 in
expenditure. It really threw me, as I had never thought on applying the
system to myself before. Needless to say I didn't take that option, but
continued to work.
>
> My other gran (a widow) was the same - worked as a cleaner until 75, led
> a very humble life... until she had a heart attack at 81 and suddenly
> social services were throwing pots of money at her (at least they did
> once my aunty spent weeks bending their ear and filling in forms on her
> behalf). Suddenly her benefits increased three-fold, she got all sorts
> of other allowances, had central heating and double glazing put in for
> free, was offered places at local day centres... Stuff that should have
> been available in the preceding 20 years IMO. She was entitled to
> everything she got but she should have had that help years before when
> she was already an old woman and getting up at 6am to clean other
> people's houses. Her entitlement only changed when she became sick - too
> little too late.
Again much of this help may have been available earlier if she had had
proper advice. A major failing of our system is that it is so cumbersome and
there is so little help in working through it.
>
> So your granny is certainly fortunate, but not all our elderly are
> financially prosperous. Things may be slowly changing but we're a far
> way from an equal society that cares for our elderly; financially and
> socially. It may be a completely different league from those poor
> buggers in Asia but there are still thousands who live in relative
> poverty in this country, something we should be damned ashamed about.
She has two major advantages. She doesn't run a car and she faced a lot of
poverty growing up, so learned a frugality that has stayed with her all
through her life. We don't do as well for our old people as we should, but
there is no need for any of them to be hungry, cold or poorly clad.
>
> http://www.lapa.org.uk/Poverty/Factsheets/Elderly/elderly.htm
Lots of rhetoric. Limited facts. Takes poverty level as half of the mean
"household income" So my Granny needs 50% of what we need as a family of 6
to keep herself? Also says "Policy changes aimed at reducing poverty,
introduced by the Government since 1997, have resulted in a substantial
reduction in poverty between 2000/1 and 2003/4"
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/1052806.stm
Dated December 2000, so 4 years out-of-date. Again it depends on individual
circumstances. Winter fuel payments have increased since then, pension
credits have been introduced and we have the one-off over 70 Winter Payment.
> http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5032538.html
>
Malnutrition has other causes than poverty. Lack of knowledge on diet,
difficulty getting to shops and frailty and lack of motivation to cook are
all factors.
Neb
Paul C
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <cr9ane$kdg$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>, Derek F.
><Lordp...@NOXbtinternet.com> writes
>>They can be thousands of feet high
>
>Really? RH
>
>> moving at supersonic speeds.
>
>That means 700+ mph. Again, really? RH
>
>> They can be
>>caused by huge meteors crashing into the ocean, or by massive landslides. No
>>boat or building hit by a mega tsunami could survive. But now scientists believe
>>that we could be sitting on a time bomb, that sooner or later one will destroy
>>New York, Boston and Miami, and that nothing could stop it.
>>
>>The largest tsunami in recorded history was in Lituya Bay, Canada, 1958. An
>>earthquake measuring 8.3 on the Richter scale caused 40 million cubic metres of
>>rock to fall into the sea. A wave more than half a kilometre high
>
>So, less than 2000 feet for the largest. RH
Well, that's the sarf of Engerland doomed then.
--
Paul
Mr_K
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:38:25 GMT, mic...@shaw.ca (Michilín) wrote:
>
>>Yes, we overseas Scots all emigrated ...
>
> You are not a Scot. You abandoned your country and your nationality
> when you chose to emigrate to Canada.
>
DAM! Why didn't any invite me to go?
Jackie Mulheron
>
> "Helen Ramsay" <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote in message
>> "Jackie Mulheron" <JackieM...@aol.com> wrote
>>
>> this is the face of a catastrophe. If only we could extend that spirit of
>> love for our fellow humans every day!
>>
>> I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday as did all three of my
>> daughter's families. It sure made me feel good to think that it will do
>> some good for those poor souls.
>>
>> Cheers, Helen
>> hramsay at cogeco dot ca
>
> but then again, I suppose it means more money for events such as this when
> they happen.
Give much to the elderly and homeless do you?
Jackie Mulheron
"Joe Howie" <jhl...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:33qa48F...@individual.net...
>
> "Jackie Mulheron" <JackieM...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:33ojhiF...@individual.net...
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4139381.stm
>>
>>
>> the earthquake in Asia six days ago.
>
> I wonder how much the people of Iran and Iraq have contributed. Or are
> they not required to contribute?
Where in Scotland or the UK are they?
Magnus
> In article <33qonbF...@individual.net>, Helen Ramsay
> <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> writes
>>"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>> Helen Ramsay <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> writes
>>> >I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday
>>>
>>> How much? RH
>>
>>If I told you I would surely have to kill you Rabbie:)
>>
> That small eh? RH
So how much have you given then, tightwad?
Robert Henderson
>you make it clear that you have no
>sympathy for anyone else,
On the contrary, I have an immense sympathy with my own tribe, the
English, and descending degrees of sympathy with foreigners based on
their degree of racial and cultural similarity to the English. That is
essentially David Hume's position. RH
Robert Henderson
>
>How much did you give Robert?
None of course. I am opposed in principle to Third World subsidy. They
are our fierce competitors, both demographically and economically. My
position is that the West should not directly attempt to harm or aid
the Third World. That way we remain morally clean whilst not helping to
write our own national death warrants. RH
>How about putting the receipt on the Net
>so we can all admire your generosity and take back the things we've
>said about you in the past? Or is it "in the post" - my personal guess
>at exactly how generous you've been...?
>
>I would also remind you of something Mother Theresa said: "It isn't
>charity until its hurts" (or words to that effect).
>
I quite agree. That is why I insist on knowing what someone has given.
RH
>I was incredibly impressed by the fact that the Scots gave the
>equivalent of £2 per inhabitant. I believe this is the highest amount
>given by the citizens of any country. I reject any notion of "we're
>better than you are" but simply want to point out that Scots, despite
>their (often self-promoted) image of being stingy and cheap are in
>fact the warm-hearted and generous people that I grew up among and
>have always admired for their willingness to go without in order to
>help others.
>
>I have to tell you Robert that of all the horse's arses that post in
>SCS, you are up there among the champions.
Translation: I have no argument against RH.
Robert Henderson
<finch.e...@rcn.com> writes
>> >>>I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> How much? RH
>> >
>> >Surely it's the thought that counts?
>> >
>> >
>> Yep, and the thought here is how much? RH
>
>Don't be a bigger boor than you can help, Robert...
>it's none of your concern.
>
>Deirdre
And your concern has led you to donate how much? RH
Helen Ramsay
> Nebulous wrote:
> > "Helen Ramsay" <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote
> >>
> >>>Even the elderly and homeless in this country have riches
> >>>beyond the dreams of much of the third world.
> >
> > at 92 my Granny is just a little older than your Mother. She feels
> > the most prosperous years of her life have been the 30 or so on
> > the pension. I find it almost embarrassing to hear her go on about
> > how fortunate she thinks she is.
>
> She's one of the lucky ones then, not all elderly are so well off. My
> gran (78) and grampa (79) both still work full time, 6 days a week in
> very low-paid work, because they simply can't afford not to. And they
> live a very simple life (neither smoke, grampa tries to drink but gran
> won't let him :p, they don't socialise or take holidays, they shop at
> car boot sales etc.).
No offence here kochanski, but as a caring grandson with Internet access
you could be scouting out help available for these poor souls! NOBODY
should still be working full time at those ages!
Heck! I'm more than 10 years younger and I wouldn't want to be working
now! I raised 3 daughters alone on a bank teller's wage, but perhaps
having learned frugality at an early age plus a pension from my former
employer and my OAP makes me one of the lucky ones. I feel I am anyhow :)
This looks like an excellent site...
http://www.helptheaged.org.uk/AdviceInfo/_default.htm
Input from other seniors on their Forum ...
http://www.helptheaged.org.uk/InYourArea/SeniorsForums/_default.htm
along with healthy eating :)
http://www.helptheaged.org.uk/Health/HealthyAgeing/Healthy+Eating/good_diet.htm
My Mother (89 in case you missed it) worked hard all her life too. She was
and still is very frugal ... loves her tatties and mince and lentil soup.
No pheasant under glass for her :) She's been able to take advantage of
many services available to the elderly because my sister scouted them out
for her.
> My other gran (a widow) was the same - worked as a cleaner until 75, led
> a very humble life... until she had a heart attack at 81 and suddenly
> social services were throwing pots of money at her (at least they did
> once my aunty spent weeks bending their ear and filling in forms on her
> behalf).
Sorry, but if she was my Mother I would have done that long before she
reached age 81!
>Suddenly her benefits increased three-fold, she got all sorts
> of other allowances, had central heating and double glazing put in for
> free, was offered places at local day centres... Stuff that should have
> been available in the preceding 20 years IMO. She was entitled to
> everything she got but she should have had that help years before when
> she was already an old woman and getting up at 6am to clean other
> people's houses. Her entitlement only changed when she became sick -
> too little too late.
Maybe she should have moved to Fife:)
> So your granny is certainly fortunate, but not all our elderly are
> financially prosperous. Things may be slowly changing but we're a far
> way from an equal society that cares for our elderly; financially and
> socially. It may be a completely different league from those poor
> buggers in Asia but there are still thousands who live in relative
> poverty in this country, something we should be damned ashamed
> about.
> http://www.lapa.org.uk/Poverty/Factsheets/Elderly/elderly.htm
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/1052806.stm
> http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5032538.html
Some of these seem to be a bit out of date, eh?
Paul C
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>On the contrary, I have an immense sympathy with my own tribe, the
>English, and descending degrees of sympathy with foreigners based on
>their degree of racial and cultural similarity to the English. That is
>essentially David Hume's position. RH
It's good to know your philosophy of life is derived from a Scot -
misunderstood though it is.
--
Paul
Paul C
wrote:
>
>I wonder how much the people of Iran and Iraq have contributed.
Why?
--
Paul
Steve Barlow
wrote:
snip
>I just had a quick scran Steve but it seems like a lot of palaver to get
>aid to people who have been suffering for a week now!
>
>> on top of which it is reliably reported in another
>> newsgroup that "donations"
>> were required to get the paperwork cleared.
>
>Unbelievable!
>
>> Who did not notice much aid when 25000 died of flu
>> one winter in the uk a few years ago.
>
>Sorry, but I missed that one. My Mother, sister, brothers etc, etc, :)
>still live there but I don't recall them mentioning it and I must have
>missed reading about it. Don't they do mass flu shots?
They do now, too late for many.
There was no/little publicity about it.
--
Steve Barlow
Mr_K
>
> Give much to the elderly and homeless do you?
than you do.
And.. some people use their lives to help the elderly, the sick, the
ungrateful... easier for people like you to hand over money and let others
do the hard work...
Mr_K
list is endless...
Mr_K
"Paul C" <pa...@thersgb.net> wrote in message
news:41d900d6...@news.individual.de...
something on the way we should deal with situations like this. At least
these people seem to look after their own before anyone else.....
Robert Henderson
<pa...@thersgb.net> writes
sympathy in the Treatise. RH
Robert Henderson
<g3...@despammed.com> writes
>On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:38:25 GMT, mic...@shaw.ca (Michilín) wrote:
>
>>Yes, we overseas Scots all emigrated ...
>
>You are not a Scot. You abandoned your country and your nationality
>when you chose to emigrate to Canada.
>
Yep, they all love Scotland so much they make sure several thousand
miles are between them and it. The reason so many Scotch emigrate - most
unfortunately to England - is because they cannot stand the poverty,
boorish parochialism and tedium of their own society. RH
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:55:12 GMT, mic...@shaw.ca (Michilín) wrote:
>
> >Your "purporting to be social commentary" post is racism.
>
> That's pretty rich, coming from a Canadian troll who - only last week
> - had the impertinence to call me a Sassenach.
He's from Muir of Ord.
A W-S
j...@somewhere.com
<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:06:07 -0500, "Helen Ramsay"
><h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote:
>
>>I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday as did all three of my
>>daughter's families. It sure made me feel good to think that it will do
>>some good for those poor souls.
>
>It made you all feel good to donate money to an organisation that
>promotes abortion, did it?
If only your mother had taken their advice.
JRP
Derek F.
"Steve Barlow" <st...@steve-barlow.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2q4it05s9uk10in72...@4ax.com...
American survey: a third of people think flu vaccine causes flu
Derek.
Dec 20, 2004 (CIDRAP News) - In one of several reports on influenza vaccine
last week, federal health officials reported that about a third of people
who responded to a survey last winter thought that the vaccine caused flu.
The random telephone survey of 2,231 adults in 11 states showed that 32.8%
thought they could acquire flu from the vaccine, the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention (CDC) reported in the Dec 17 issue of Morbidity and
Mortality Weekly Report. The survey was conducted last February.
Most of the flu vaccine used in the United States is an injectable vaccine
containing inactivated (killed) flu virus. Also available this year is an
intranasal vaccine, FluMist, involving a weakened, live virus. The
injectable vaccine is approved for those aged 6 months and up, whereas
FluMist is approved only for healthy people between the ages of 5 and 49
years.
In a news teleconference the day the survey findings came out, CDC Director
Julie Gerberding, MD, sought to dispel the notion that flu vaccine can cause
the illness it is intended to prevent.
"There's absolutely no information to even suggest that could be the case,"
she said, as quoted in the conference transcript. "Based on the kind of
vaccine production and experience we've had, we know that flu vaccine does
not cause flu; at least injectable flu vaccine does not cause flu. But
there's a disproportionate number of people in the old age groups who are
afraid that it does."
Gerberding made the remarks while discussing the varying levels of flu
vaccine coverage for people in vaccination priority groups, including the
elderly, chronically ill, and children aged 6 to 23 months. According to
another, larger CDC survey, states where fewer than 30% of residents
received flu shots between September and November of this year included
Arizona, Oklahoma, Illinois, Florida, South Carolina, Vermont, and Maine.
Overall, the survey showed, 34.8% of people in priority groups were
vaccinated during that period.
"Where states have large numbers of elderly people, there is a
disproportionate reluctance to get vaccine because of fears of the vaccine
itself," Gerberding said. "So I'm trying to send a very strong message today
that flu vaccine does not cause flu, and if you are 65 or older, please get
the shot."
Her comments came as the CDC reported that the nation was expected to have
enough doses to meet the demand from priority groups this season and that
some states had extra vaccine.
The February survey also showed that 82% of the respondents were willing to
wear a mask if they visited a healthcare provider because of a flu-like
illness, but only 8% of those who had visited a provider for that reason had
actually been asked to wear a mask.
In other findings, about 71% of respondents said they believed flu vaccine
was "somewhat or very effective," and 64% were willing to vaccinate their
children against flu.
CDC. Experiences with influenza-like illness and attitudes regarding
influenza prevention-United States, 2004-04 influenza season. MMWR 2004 Dec
17;53(49):1156-8 [Full text]
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5349a3.htm
See also:
Transcript of Dec 16 CDC news conference
http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/transcripts/t041216.htm
Mr_K
"The Singing Coalman" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:33smp7F...@individual.net...
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:06:07 -0500, "Helen Ramsay"
> <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote:
>
>>I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday as did all three of my
>>daughter's families. It sure made me feel good to think that it will do
>>some good for those poor souls.
>
> It made you all feel good to donate money to an organisation that
> promotes abortion, did it?
Nothing wrong in that, but here is a question that I've always asked.. but
never managed to get a decent answer to (as if this place will make any
difference to that.. of course...): We have countries all suffering
famine... death is everywhere... yet... somehow... the women always seen to
give their men a bit of rumpypumpy and keep the famine going with more new
mouths to feed! Surely the art here is to drop the population and let the
supplies build up? So.. with that in mind.... the Red Cross are doing a good
thing for everyone concerned :)
kochanski
> "kochanski" <kochanski@dontspam_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>She's one of the lucky ones then, not all elderly are so well off. My
>>gran (78) and grampa (79) both still work full time, 6 days a week in
>>very low-paid work, because they simply can't afford not to. And they
>>live a very simple life (neither smoke, grampa tries to drink but gran
>>won't let him :p, they don't socialise or take holidays, they shop at
>>car boot sales etc.).
>
>
> No offence here kochanski, but as a caring grandson with Internet access
> you could be scouting out help available for these poor souls! NOBODY
> should still be working full time at those ages!
Grand-daughter, and I do plenty to help, thankewverymuch. They are from
a generation where they'd rather earn their own wage than rely on
handouts. Which is just as well considering they pay full rent and
council tax and all the bills to go with it like adults half their age.
>>My other gran (a widow) was the same - worked as a cleaner until 75, led
>>a very humble life... until she had a heart attack at 81 and suddenly
>>social services were throwing pots of money at her (at least they did
>>once my aunty spent weeks bending their ear and filling in forms on her
>>behalf).
>
>
> Sorry, but if she was my Mother I would have done that long before she
> reached age 81!
You think nobody tried?? Her entitlement to many of the new benefits
only changed when she became ill. Prevously she got help with her rent
but that was about it. She still had to run a house and live off the
basic pension. And don't get me started on the useless flippin DSS and
social services, it's like getting blood out of a stone. In the last 2
years of her life (she died last year), my gran had quite serious
dementia on top of her many other ailments - she literally couldn't
remember if she'd just eaten or been to the toilet - but the nice
helpful social workers didn't think that was serious enough to warrant
residential care and decided she was capable of living on her own. If it
wasn't for the rest of the family (who all did their best but she really
needed professional round-the-clock medical care) making sure someone
was in her house at all times she'd never have lived so long (and would
probably have blown up the rest of the building as well given her
solution to getting a heat was to turn the gas rings on).
But I digress. There are plenty of able-bodied pensioners out there who
aren't 'living', they're existing. They're only entitled to help when
something goes wrong and have to fight for their entitlements.
>>http://www.lapa.org.uk/Poverty/Factsheets/Elderly/elderly.htm
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/1052806.stm
>>http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5032538.html
>
>
> Some of these seem to be a bit out of date, eh?
It was a 3-min google.
(Nov 2004) http://www.npi.org.uk/proj%20scottish%20indicators.htm
"Glasgow has the highest levels of children living in low-income
families, low-income pensioners, overcrowding, drug misuse, working-age
adults with limiting long-standing illnesses and premature death rates."
My own area (West Dunbartonshire) has one of the highest poverty rates
in Scotland with a third of adults living in (relative) poverty (source:
local council website). I don't have to look at official reports to see
pensioners scraping by on their pensions; people who've scrimped and
saved all their working lives and who have to carry on scrimping and
saving in their 'retirement'. Our continental cousins could teach us a
thing or two about how to treat our elderly. In this country they're, by
and large, an inconvenience.
--
kochanski
Paul C
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>The reason so many Scotch emigrate - most
>unfortunately to England - is because they cannot stand the poverty,
>boorish parochialism and tedium of their own society. RH
So why are the Shetland Islands and Edinburgh now full of English,
Rab?
--
Paul
kochanski
> "The Singing Coalman" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:33smp7F...@individual.net...
>>promotes abortion, did it?
>
>
> Nothing wrong in that, but here is a question that I've always asked.. but
> never managed to get a decent answer to (as if this place will make any
> difference to that.. of course...): We have countries all suffering
> famine... death is everywhere... yet... somehow... the women always seen to
> give their men a bit of rumpypumpy
I don't think they give it, I think it's more a case of it being taken
whether they like it or not. Horrified to read that orphans are being
gang raped in the Asian refugee camps now.
> and keep the famine going with more new
> mouths to feed! Surely the art here is to drop the population and let the
> supplies build up? So.. with that in mind.... the Red Cross are doing a good
> thing for everyone concerned :)
Or.... if there's a chance your child could be killed/starved to death,
doesn't it make sense to have as many as possible and increase the
chance of at least one of your offspring surviving you? The more kids
you have, the more workers you have to help the family.
--
kochanski
pantsonfire
"kochanski" <kochanski@dontspam_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:33stf0F...@individual.net...
> Mr_K wrote:
> > "The Singing Coalman" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:33smp7F...@individual.net...
> >>It made you all feel good to donate money to an organisation that
> >>promotes abortion, did it?
> >
> >
> > Nothing wrong in that, but here is a question that I've always asked..
but
> > never managed to get a decent answer to (as if this place will make any
> > difference to that.. of course...): We have countries all suffering
> > famine... death is everywhere... yet... somehow... the women always seen
to
> > give their men a bit of rumpypumpy
>
> I don't think they give it, I think it's more a case of it being taken
> whether they like it or not. Horrified to read that orphans are being
> gang raped in the Asian refugee camps now.
OMG no?
I watched the hour long program about the tsunami disaster last night, and
thought the suffering of the survivors couldn't get any worse, but this just
sounds...well I can't think of the right words that can accurately describe
just how absolutely atrocious this all is.
Jock.
>> on top of which it is reliably reported in another
>> newsgroup that "donations"
>> were required to get the paperwork cleared.
>
>Unbelievable!
Really? Naive or what?
>> Who did not notice much aid when 25000 died of flu
>> one winter in the uk a few years ago.
>Sorry, but I missed that one. My Mother, sister, brothers etc, etc, :)
>still live there but I don't recall them mentioning it and I must have
>missed reading about it. Don't they do mass flu shots?
Only for those over 65 and for those prepared to pay
for them. (+ those with certain ailments.)
--
Jock.
--
"A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of
explanation."
- H. H. Munro (Saki) (1870-1916)
Steve Barlow
>On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:06:07 -0500, "Helen Ramsay"
><h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote:
>
>>I made my donation to the Red Cross yesterday as did all three of my
>>daughter's families. It sure made me feel good to think that it will do
>>some good for those poor souls.
>
>It made you all feel good to donate money to an organisation that
>promotes abortion, did it?
The Red Cross do a lot of good don't they.
I notice you post anonymously, not even got the bottle to put your name to an
obvious troll.
--
Steve Barlow
kochanski
> "kochanski" <kochanski@dontspam_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:33stf0F...@individual.net...
>>
>>I don't think they give it, I think it's more a case of it being taken
>>whether they like it or not. Horrified to read that orphans are being
>>gang raped in the Asian refugee camps now.
>
>
> OMG no?
Only a few reported cases but I suspect many more will go unreported
and, of course, just one case is one case too many :/
> I watched the hour long program about the tsunami disaster last night, and
> thought the suffering of the survivors couldn't get any worse, but this just
> sounds...well I can't think of the right words that can accurately describe
> just how absolutely atrocious this all is.
Yeah, I saw that, and I've been catching a few snippets on sky news.
I've been pretty disgusted by some of the BBC reports I've seen -
reporters wandering along the road with the camera trained on bloated
bodies lying by the roadside... one report the other night where the
reporter was wandering through someone's house, picking through the lost
family's personal belongings and saying how 'uninvited' he felt - aye,
get the feck out then! How incredibly intrusive. But I guess they're
just lowly poor people so what does it matter *rolls eyes* Like someone
commented on another ng, we haven't seen any white bodies lying
distorted and mangled by the roadside - only local people.
--
kochanski
jon
> Yep, they all love Scotland so much they make sure several thousand
> miles are between them and it. The reason so many Scotch emigrate -
> most unfortunately to England - is because they cannot stand the
> poverty, boorish parochialism and tedium of their own society. RH
Spoken like a true cultural xenophobe.
pantsonfire
> pantsonfire wrote:
> > "kochanski" <kochanski@dontspam_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:33stf0F...@individual.net...
> >>>give their men a bit of rumpypumpy
> >>
> >>I don't think they give it, I think it's more a case of it being taken
> >>whether they like it or not. Horrified to read that orphans are being
> >>gang raped in the Asian refugee camps now.
> >
> >
> > OMG no?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5zz35
>
> Only a few reported cases but I suspect many more will go unreported
Sadly, I think you're right.
> and, of course, just one case is one case too many :/
I just do not understand what makes some people behave in this way.
Abominable.
>
> > I watched the hour long program about the tsunami disaster last night,
and
> > thought the suffering of the survivors couldn't get any worse, but this
just
> > sounds...well I can't think of the right words that can accurately
describe
> > just how absolutely atrocious this all is.
>
> Yeah, I saw that, and I've been catching a few snippets on sky news.
> I've been pretty disgusted by some of the BBC reports I've seen -
> reporters wandering along the road with the camera trained on bloated
> bodies lying by the roadside... one report the other night where the
> reporter was wandering through someone's house, picking through the lost
> family's personal belongings and saying how 'uninvited' he felt - aye,
> get the feck out then! How incredibly intrusive. But I guess they're
> just lowly poor people so what does it matter *rolls eyes* Like someone
> commented on another ng, we haven't seen any white bodies lying
> distorted and mangled by the roadside - only local people.
Well I don't want to get diverted from the tragedy by commenting on the
cynical thinking of the few.
I would rather empty my pockets to help provide the injured with better
painkillers than they are having to make do with, notably asprin.
Seeing the woman screaming in agony as she was moved, with a primitive
splint on her broken leg, was heartbreaking.
These people need adequate medical supplies, quickly.
Michilín
<g3...@despammed.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:55:12 GMT, mic...@shaw.ca (Michilín) wrote:
>
>>Your "purporting to be social commentary" post is racism.
>
>That's pretty rich, coming from a Canadian troll who - only last week
>- had the impertinence to call me a Sassenach.
>
>--
>Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
I didn't - I called you a Sasannach (note the spelling, ignoramus) and
it's entirely accurate, as you're a slobbering clone of your English
masters and the word is entirely acceptable north of the Highland Line
for describing Anglo-Scottish brown-nosers like you.
Michilín
Michilín
<g3...@despammed.com> wrote:
>Not any more, he's not.
I'm still something you;ll never be - a full-blooded Scot, born and
bred, not some lackey of the English middleclass.
Just because you never had the imagination to stir more than five
miles from the safety of your mother's skirts, you're no more Scottish
than anyone else.
You don't even speak anything but English - in my book and the book of
all Gaels, that makes you a Sassanach, Brit-clone; another commercial
and cultural betrayer of Scotland!
Away home, draw the curtains and sit in shame, you sell-out!
Michilín
Michilín
<st...@steve-barlow.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Steve Barlow
>Who did not notice much aid when 25000 died of flu one winter in the uk a few
>years ago.
>
As someone who left the UK in disgust many years ago, I am delighted
to see a resident finally support my contention that the UK is now a
thirdworld country and therefore needs help from other than its own
government's resources. I feel quite vindicated!
Michilín
Michilín
<Nebu...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Helen Ramsay" <h...@AwaAnBileYirHeid.com> wrote in message
>news:33qp37F...@individual.net...
>> "Nebulous" <Nebu...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
>>
>> > Even the elderly and homeless in this country have riches
>> > beyond the dreams of much of the third world.
>>
>> You're always so sensible Neb :)
>>
>> My Mother certainly agrees with you.
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Helen
>> hramsay at cogeco dot ca
>>
>>
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>Thanks Helen
>
>at 92 my Granny is just a little older than your Mother. She feels the most
>prosperous years of her life have been the 30 or so on the pension. I find
>it almost embarrassing to hear her go on about how fortunate she thinks she
>is.
>
>I'm not sure yer man even knows any elderly people. I'm also convinced that
>we don't have a strictly limited fund to help others. The same people who
>give abroad are more likely to give a bit of time to elderly people, rather
>than the reverse.
>
>Neb
>
>
I agree completely. A most sensible and to those of a sensible
mindset, realistic statement.
Michilín