Possible disruption of mailing list due to spammers
keinhong
This is to inform list members that we may be experiencing more
disruption due to spammer activity.
My Gmail account got disabled today, I think Neil's as well. Two
weeks ago, the accounts were disabled from Google Groups only.
Luckily, I had a valid browser cookie and managed to make a few
adjustments. But it's also quite possible that my temporary
account can get whacked at any time.
I thought of enabling more managers, but that does not solve the
underlying issue of Google's automated whacking. Having one's
customary Gmail account disabled would be extremely inconvenient,
so I'll stick to contacting Google for now. Just FYI.
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Cheers,
Kein-Hong Man (esq.)
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Neil Hodgson
> My Gmail account got disabled today, I think Neil's as well.
Yup.
> I thought of enabling more managers, but that does not solve the
> underlying issue of Google's automated whacking.
I just added my secondary account as a manager only to find you had
already done that.
Frank Wunderlich:
> as far as i remember the 2 times this is happened, some days before the
> links are hijacked...maybe there is a correlation.
Polartest*, the main source of the problems, has been trying to
join again recently. I don't know if it stopped its application
automatically or Kein Hong refused it - most unfair treating
polartest016 as bad just because its sibling polartest001 was a
spammer ;-) . The last link hijack was on the 10th and I was sure I
had checked the links after that.
Neil
Enrico Tröger
Did you consider to stop using Goggle's service of these mailing lists?
Why continuing this when it causes so much trouble?
IMO it'd be better to use Sourceforge's mailing list services which
probably avoids all these problems.
Of course, changing the list addresses causes many administrative work
and links have to be changed and such things. But maybe it's worth in
the long term.
Just my 2cents.
Regards,
Enrico
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Neil Hodgson
> Did you consider to stop using Goggle's service of these mailing lists?
> Why continuing this when it causes so much trouble?
The Scintilla mailing list has been hosted at 4 providers over
time. Each has had problems.
> IMO it'd be better to use Sourceforge's mailing list services which
> probably avoids all these problems.
The second host of the Scintilla mailing list was SourceForge. I
moved the list because SourceForge was inflexible. SourceForge is very
under-resourced and since the Scintilla mailing list moved on has
become a worse host for mailing lists. Many mailing lists hosted at
SourceForge are full of spam.
Hosting a mailing list server is quite a bit of work in the current
environment with spam and attempts to subvert services. Greg Stein had
to perform much maintenance to keep the lyra.org server running and
spam-free for several years. Free commercial services like Google and
SourceForge rely on there only being a minimal incremental cost per
group and providing useful human support would make their costs too
high. Individuals may start enthusiastic but often lose interest over
time or have to change focus to other areas of their lives.
Corporations are even more likely to lose interest in non-profit
making services over time.
Neil
Enrico Tröger
<scintil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Enrico Tröger:
>
> > Did you consider to stop using Goggle's service of these mailing
> > lists? Why continuing this when it causes so much trouble?
>
> The Scintilla mailing list has been hosted at 4 providers over
> time. Each has had problems.
Oh ok, I only noticed the change from lyra.org to Googlegroups.
> > IMO it'd be better to use Sourceforge's mailing list services which
> > probably avoids all these problems.
>
> The second host of the Scintilla mailing list was SourceForge. I
> moved the list because SourceForge was inflexible. SourceForge is very
> under-resourced and since the Scintilla mailing list moved on has
> become a worse host for mailing lists. Many mailing lists hosted at
> SourceForge are full of spam.
Ok, you obviously know Sourceforge's mailing list service better than
me. it was just an idea since the CVS and bug tracker is also located
on Sourceforge.
> Hosting a mailing list server is quite a bit of work in the current
> environment with spam and attempts to subvert services. Greg Stein had
Well, luckily I didn't experience such heavy problems yet. I'm hosting
4 mailing lists for Geany on my private server and there are also spam
mails but mailman+Spamassassin keep them all out, yet.
But this isn't really comparable to Scintilla's needs since there are
probably less users subscribed and Scintilla is more widely known
(which is generally good and bad in this particular case :D).
> to perform much maintenance to keep the lyra.org server running and
> spam-free for several years. Free commercial services like Google and
> SourceForge rely on there only being a minimal incremental cost per
> group and providing useful human support would make their costs too
> high. Individuals may start enthusiastic but often lose interest over
> time or have to change focus to other areas of their lives.
> Corporations are even more likely to lose interest in non-profit
> making services over time.
Yes, I completely agree with you. It's just sad that spammers and other
malicious people make our lives harder this way.