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Timothy Victor

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Dec 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/12/98
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Have a look at _Numerical Recipes in Pascal_.


Adam Roslon wrote:
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> Can anyone point me in the right direction to find some code or algorithms
> that can calculate the Kurtosis and Skew of and array of number, preferably
> in Pascal or C
>
> Thanks

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Erich Hiebler

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Dec 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/12/98
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Hi Adam,

There are a lot of sources in the web but I can recommend the following pages:

http://sigma.ire.pw.edu.pl/numrcp/
http://beta.ulib.org/webRoot/Books/Numerical_Recipes/

They are called "Numerical Recipes in C" (Fortran is also available).
The topics you are looking for, you can find in capter 14-1.
You need "Acrobat Reader" or any other postscript viewer.
Have Fun.

greetings
Erich


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Albyn Jones

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Dec 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/12/98
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>Have a look at _Numerical Recipes in Pascal_.
>
>
>Adam Roslon wrote:
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>> Can anyone point me in the right direction to find some code or algorithms
>> that can calculate the Kurtosis and Skew of and array of number, preferably
>> in Pascal or C
>

the more important question is: why do you want to compute
skewness and kurtosis?

albyn

Adam Roslon

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Dec 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/13/98
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Can anyone point me in the right direction to find some code or algorithms
that can calculate the Kurtosis and Skew of and array of number, preferably
in Pascal or C

Thanks

David A. Heiser

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Dec 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/13/98
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Several points here.

1. The computation of accurate skewness and kurtosis values is not easy with
medium to large data sets. Most commercial software does not do it
correctly. As a rule of thumb, if the ratio of the square root of variance
to the mean value is less than 0.01 the computed skewness and kurtosis
values will have errors (i.e. LRE values may be less than 3).

2. Random sample sets from a true normal distribution, show wide ranges in
skewness and kurtosis values. To my knowledge there is no known true method
to determine confidence intervals about a computed skewnwss or kurtosis
value from a small to medium sample. The literature gives tables based on
asymototic methods for sample sets larger than 100 for normal distributions.

3. Richard A. Groeneveld "A Class of Quantile measures for Kurtosis", in the
current issue of the "American Statistician" (p. 325, Nov. 1998) describes
the problems with trying to make inferences based on computed fourth moment
(kurtosis). He quotes Balanda and MacGillivray as stating that "the
standardized fourth central moment in not a good measure of the shape of a
distribution".

4. Previous discussions on EDSTAT have concluded that sample skewness and
kurtosis values are of little value in determining whether the distribution
is normal or not.

DAHeiser
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Adam Roslon

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Dec 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/14/98
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Yes, that is a good question , I 'm doing some image processing on different
textures. I create a histogram of the pixel intensity values ,and test for
Mean , Mode StdDev , Max Min ect. .
But I feel the knowing the skew and kurtosis of the histogram may allow me
to recognize patterns more consistently.

Ronan Conroy

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Dec 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/14/98
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Albyn Jones said (12/12/98 10:10 pm)

>the more important question is: why do you want to compute
>skewness and kurtosis?
>
>albyn

I knew someone would say that! Has anyone any experience of using
L-moments, which have been proposed as a more elegant way of describing
distribution shape? See

Hosking, J. R. M. Moments or L moments? Am example comparing two measures
of distributional shape. The American Statistician. 1992; 46:186-189.

Has anyone ever seen them used in published research? Come to think of
it, when was the last time you saw skewness or kurtosis coefficients
reported?

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Ronan Conroy

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Adam Roslon said (14/12/98 12:54 pm)

>But I feel the knowing the skew and kurtosis of the histogram may allow me
>to recognize patterns more consistently.

I would look at a quantile-quantile plot or normal probability plot.
Numeric summaries of dispersion do not allow us to see patterned
departures from the expected distribution.

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