> > Because NASA is about national pride and Hussein will have none of that.
> > Goddamn America.
> > -Eddie Haskell
> > The previous Commander in Chief kind of corrupted and bankrupted us,
> Your lying aside, Hussein can find trillions for everything but programs
> like NASA. He doesn't give a damn about what anything cost if he wants to
> fund it, you imbecile.
> And now to address your lie:
> "In 1992, Congress mandated that Fannie and Freddie increase their > purchases
> of mortgages for low-income and medium-income borrowers. Operating under
> that requirement, Fannie Mae, in particular, has been aggressive and
> creative in stimulating minority gains."
> "The two companies are now required to devote 42% of their portfolios to
> loans for low- and moderate-income borrowers"
> "Although Fannie Mae actually has exceeded its target since 1994, it is
> resisting any hike. It argues that a higher target would only produce more
> loan defaults by pressuring banks to accept unsafe borrowers."
> "The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory
> overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis > a
> decade ago."
> "Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency
> would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of
> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are > the
> two largest players in the mortgage lending industry."
> "McCain Letter Demanded 2006 Action on Fannie and Freddie"
> "Sen. John McCain's 2006 demand for regulatory action on Fannie Mae and
> Freddie Mac could have prevented current financial crisis, as HUMAN EVENTS
> learned from the letter shown in full text below."
> Unlike Bush and McCain, as senator, Obama did nothing, other than earn the
> distinction of becoming the second largest recipient of F&F contributions > in
> the entire congress, even in his short stint there.
> Bill Clinton himself said it best:
> "I think the responsibility the Democrats have may rest more in resisting
> any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President > to
> put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."
> -Bill Clinton
> ''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any
> kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of
> Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee.
> ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on
> these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''
> -Eddie Haskell
> The GOP invented the policy printing of money.
> This isn't saying Democrats have fixed anything the GOP or that they
> too have broken.
> How about dealing with the military industrial complex that gets to do
> as they please, with false flags, bogus wars, custom technology,
> weapons and logistics for each and every one of their kind?
> How many do-overs is the GOP entitled to?
Do people that are mentally retarded such as yourself have enough wits to realize that you're mentally retarded?
> Because NASA is about national pride and Hussein will have none of that.
> Goddamn America.
> -Eddie Haskell
> A debt that the next ten generations can't possibly pay off, is about
> the only thing you and others of your public-funded kind have to be
> proud about.
> Why don't you police your own kind?
> Guth Venus is a geologist treasure trove of raw elements and all the
> local energy and resources necessary for mining, processing and
> exporting.
Pay no attention to him, folks. His mind died years ago and now they keep it in a jar over at the DNC.
> > Because NASA is about national pride and Hussein will have none of that.
> > Goddamn America.
> > -Eddie Haskell
> > A debt that the next ten generations can't possibly pay off, is about
> > the only thing you and others of your public-funded kind have to be
> > proud about.
> > Why don't you police your own kind?
> > Guth Venus is a geologist treasure trove of raw elements and all the
> > local energy and resources necessary for mining, processing and
> > exporting.
> Pay no attention to him, folks. His mind died years ago and now they keep
> it in a jar over at the DNC.
> -Eddie Haskell
In other words, you have no ideas (other than given unlimited loot and
unlimited time with no requirement to even so much as breakeven), as
how to fix DARPA or NASA.
Guth Venus is a geologist treasure trove of raw elements and all the
local energy and resources necessary for mining, processing and
exporting.
> Because NASA is about national pride and Hussein will have none of that.
> Goddamn America.
> -Eddie Haskell
I remember the film NASA did for the final flight of the Space Shuttle.
You see a bunch of workers, young, old, in front of the camera with a
sign written by them, all with a small sentence like "Proud of America"
or similar. The come, stay a few seconds, smile, and then they
disappear.
And behind the smiles you see the incredible drama in their almost
invisible tears. Those people were the ones that made the Space Shuttle
fly.
Their enormous dedication, their complete enthusiasm for their job.
A job that disappeared as the whole American working class disappeared.
The empire started its decadence period as the workers disappeared.
The dismantling of the space program is just a symptom of the dismantling of the American society.
To the contrary of Mr Haskell, it is obvious to me that Mr Obama is following exactly the same policies of Mr Bush and of Mr Clinton before.
Yes, Mr Haskell wants a republican to win the white house and spreads
misinformation about the housing bubble (as if Mr Bush was innocent
from it) and other self-evident lies.
He is not going anywhere, as the rest of the American society. But the
word pride that he uses reminded me of those workers saying goodbye
in that short film.
>>>rumor has michelle running after her husband has completed his 2nd
>>>term, shortly thereafter the 2 obama kids.
>>>a wonderful dynasty of obama, 32 years:)
>> We're more likely to have another Bush win
>> after Obama's second term, as in Jeb Bush.
>> He's the only one of that Bush clan with a lick
>> of common sense.
> In what way did Bush not have common sense?
> In the following scenario, who foresaw the financial crisis and who was
> the fool? Who got blamed and who was rewarded with reelection?
> Congratulations on your participation in the new Goebbels America where
> information is under one party rule to a point that's it's destroying the
> nation. Now, get in there and pitch, bitch!
> "The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory
> overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis
> a
> decade ago."
> "Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency
> would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of
> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are
> the
> two largest players in the mortgage lending industry."
Thanks for replying, I love arguing politics!
Congress and Bush were incompetent when it came to... /responding/ to
the mortgage crisis, it was a 'team' effort. Here's why....
Bush signed into law the Emergency Bailout Act on Oct 3, 2008
That Friday night, Oct 3, I publicly predicted the rescue bill would
set off a panic sell and the largest stock market crash in history
predicting that quickly the Dow would fall to 8500 and the Nasdaq
to 1700.
The following Monday, Oct 6, the Dow closed down almost 400.
Tuesday saw the single largest drop in the Dow since 1937
dropping over 500 points for the day. And it dropped an
astonishing 950 points more by Friday to close the week
at 8577. The Nasdaq ended the week at 1690.
If I could see it coming, why couldn't our Stupid politicians?
If you think all that was a fluke, then remember what happened
after the Debt Relief bill was signed in Aug 2011?
The second mini-crash/panic happened the..next day as
I angrily pointed out in this post in the same ng.
Notice I made another prediction at the end of this post below
(The first Occupy Wall Street protest was on Sept 17, 2011)
............................................
On August 11, 2011 I wrote...........
Neither the Big Crash in October of '08, or this one
needed to happen.
"Buy on the rumor, sell on the news".
Maybe one of the most time tested and well-known
stock market behaviors of all. Stock trading 101!
NEVER NEVER create some large and highly anticipated
'News event' to calm a jittery market. Doing so is sure
to set off a round of panic selling the...next day.
SELL ON THE NEWS! Just as the 'Rescue Bill' did
in Oct '08. Just as the debt legislation did now
...CRASH!
Wall Street certainly knows about...
BUY ON THE RUMOR, SELL ON THE NEWS!
But they stayed silent, just licking their chops at the cheap
prices a panic creates for them. Did you see them scooping
it all up? Like someone rang a bell! All the while insisting...
"Give us the Big Fix and all will be well."
And the timing, oh the timing, on the heels of a giant double-top.
Couldn't be better planned and timed to incite a panic.
And our politicians are too ignorant to know they're
being conned.
It should be criminal to be that stupid.
The opposite of a single 'Big Fix' is the correct solution to support
a price. Which would be a steady drumbeat of smaller, targeted fixes
each announcing the next upcoming fix. Each getting better thought out
and more effective as you go. And making /sure/ everyone knows
about that strategy.
Neither crash needed to happen. The only silver-lining
is the market will learn, and become far less susceptible
to future panics.
The first time can be forgiven, but not this time.
We need a new political movement. Not some
highly charged party full of all kinds of 'Big Fixes'.
We need a....DO-NOTHING Party.
Our economic and political leadership simply needs to
GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!
No more Wars...No more Socialism...No more Corruption.
Just Listen and let the public tell them what to do, how to
do it, and when. There's a new world government forming
before our eyes. But it's the people from all over the world
electronically and spiritually joining, and into a single network
of unspeakable power.
"We should be 'mad as hell'.
Soon, it won't just be a handful of people yelling
out their windows.
> ''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any
> kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of
> Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee.
> ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on
> these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''
> > >> That's why 4 more years of the anti-American-n-chief will be national
> > >> suicide.
> > >> -Eddie Haskell
> > > Really, have you looked at the stock market performance
> > > since Obama took office at the start of '09? I could use
> > > four more years of that.
> > Yeah, and that's what you were saying when you were playing in the
> > pre-financial crisis sandbox.
> > "Holder Launches Witch Hunt Against Biased Banks"
> > 07/08/2011 06:51 PM ET
> > "In what could be a repeat of the easy-lending cycle that led to the
> > housing
> > crisis, the Justice Department has asked several banks to relax their
> > mortgage underwriting standards and approve loans for minorities with poor
> > credit as part of a new crackdown on alleged discrimination, according to
> > court documents reviewed by IBD."
> > "Prosecutions have already generated more than $20 million in loan
> > set-asides and other subsidies from banks that have settled out of court
> > rather than battle the federal government and risk being branded racist.
> > An
> > additional 60 banks are under investigation, a DOJ spokeswoman says."
> > -Eddie Haskell
> > Your "pre-financial crisis sandbox" was the ruse.
> > President BHO should have pulled out all the stops, putting himself
> > and his family at maximum risk. The only laws being broken were those
> > of treason and high treason, and you're just as guilty as the worse of
> > the bunch.
> Just in case there's any confusion on the matter, you're an idiot.
> -Eddie Haskell
So, anyone that uses common sense and strives to deductively embrace
the best available science, is "an idiot". Got it, and aren't you
special.
> > > > NASA has become a shadow of it's past. Why?
> > > Because NASA is about national pride and Hussein will have none of that.
> > > Goddamn America.
> > > -Eddie Haskell
> > > The previous Commander in Chief kind of corrupted and bankrupted us,
> > Your lying aside, Hussein can find trillions for everything but programs
> > like NASA. He doesn't give a damn about what anything cost if he wants to
> > fund it, you imbecile.
> > And now to address your lie:
> > "In 1992, Congress mandated that Fannie and Freddie increase their
> > purchases
> > of mortgages for low-income and medium-income borrowers. Operating under
> > that requirement, Fannie Mae, in particular, has been aggressive and
> > creative in stimulating minority gains."
> > "The two companies are now required to devote 42% of their portfolios to
> > loans for low- and moderate-income borrowers"
> > "Although Fannie Mae actually has exceeded its target since 1994, it is
> > resisting any hike. It argues that a higher target would only produce more
> > loan defaults by pressuring banks to accept unsafe borrowers."
> > "The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory
> > overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis
> > a
> > decade ago."
> > "Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency
> > would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of
> > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are
> > the
> > two largest players in the mortgage lending industry."
> > "McCain Letter Demanded 2006 Action on Fannie and Freddie"
> > "Sen. John McCain's 2006 demand for regulatory action on Fannie Mae and
> > Freddie Mac could have prevented current financial crisis, as HUMAN EVENTS
> > learned from the letter shown in full text below."
> > Unlike Bush and McCain, as senator, Obama did nothing, other than earn the
> > distinction of becoming the second largest recipient of F&F contributions
> > in
> > the entire congress, even in his short stint there.
> > Bill Clinton himself said it best:
> > "I think the responsibility the Democrats have may rest more in resisting
> > any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President
> > to
> > put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."
> > -Bill Clinton
> > ''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any
> > kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of
> > Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee.
> > ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on
> > these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''
> > -Eddie Haskell
> > The GOP invented the policy printing of money.
> > This isn't saying Democrats have fixed anything the GOP or that they
> > too have broken.
> > How about dealing with the military industrial complex that gets to do
> > as they please, with false flags, bogus wars, custom technology,
> > weapons and logistics for each and every one of their kind?
> > How many do-overs is the GOP entitled to?
> Do people that are mentally retarded such as yourself have enough wits to
> realize that you're mentally retarded?
> -Eddie Haskell
This is your topic, and thus far you haven't provided any workable
plan for keeping our spendy DARPA and NASA running at full speed
ahead, as in none whatsoever other than giving them a large box of
blank checks with no strings attached.
What exactly would you focus their combined expertise on? (be fully
prepared to defend birth to grave on each and everything you suggest)
>>>>and the voters will choose obama for 4 more years
>>> Oh, I guess we needn't bother with that 'election' thingy, then.
>>> After all, Bobbert has spoken!
>>Did you miss the part of his post where he said "the voters will
>>choose"
> And then said what they would choose. Don't need the election now.
> Bobbert has spoken.
"The voters will choose" just like every other election. Your warped
brain led you to a conclusion that only a brainwashed idiot like
yourself could find.
>>or are you just a right wing nitwit?
> Run along, poor little fucktard. We've already got Bobbert and the
> Guthball and that pretty much ought to fill our quota for dipshits in
> this newsgroup.
Anyone who argues politics from a set point of view is pretty much an
asshole. You are dumb enough to believe that you know something and
dishonest enough to prepare an entire philosophy around it.
Looks like Limbaugh is doing his job pretty well, dragging dumb people
into simplistic, dishonest conversations and convincing them that they
know something. I can also see how you morons confuse name calling with
actual ideas. You are just playing follow the leader.
>>>>>>and the voters will choose obama for 4 more years
>>>>> Oh, I guess we needn't bother with that 'election' thingy, then.
>>>>> After all, Bobbert has spoken!
>>>>Did you miss the part of his post where he said "the voters will
>>>>choose"
>>> And then said what they would choose. Don't need the election now.
>>> Bobbert has spoken.
>>"The voters will choose" just like every other election.
> Yes, the voters will choose. But Bobbert already has proclaimed how
> they'll choose, so that's all settled, then.
"The voters will choose" is what he said. Nothing about dispensing with
elections, your brainwashing must force you to lie when your religion is
threatened.
>>Your warped
>>brain led you to a conclusion that only a brainwashed idiot like
>>yourself could find.
> You're a sad, pathetic little twat, aren't you?
Possibly, but I'm not a brainwashed nitwit so I am not programmed to
defend some dopey position that I don't understand with lies. .
>>>>or are you just a right wing nitwit?
>>> Run along, poor little fucktard. We've already got Bobbert and the
>>> Guthball and that pretty much ought to fill our quota for dipshits
>>> in this newsgroup.
>>Anyone who argues politics from a set point of view is pretty much an
>>asshole.
> PRECISELY. Hence my sarcastic remarks to Bobbert and his proclamation
> of what the voters will choose. Are you starting to get it now?
I got it after your first post. Are YOU getting it now? Strawman
arguments are just lies.
>>You are dumb enough to believe that you know something and
>>dishonest enough to prepare an entire philosophy around it.
> You appear to be hallucinating freely at this point. Can you spell
> 'projection'? Yeah, I thought you could....
You just spelled it right there, how is this any sort of test? Are you
really this stupid?
If you are trying to say that I am projecting maybe you can explain what
philosophy I am trying to espouse other than my opinion that people who
latch onto a political idealogy and are willing to lie to defend it are
assholes?
>>Looks like Limbaugh is doing his job pretty well, dragging dumb people
>>into simplistic, dishonest conversations and convincing them that they
>>know something. I can also see how you morons confuse name calling
>>with actual ideas. You are just playing follow the leader.
> Yep. Time for you to put down the crack pipe and come down so that
> you can read what people actually write. Your 'entire philosophy'
> that you have 'prepared' because you are 'dishonest' based on the fact
> that 'you are dumb enough to believe that you know something'.
> Hint: I haven't expressed any political views, you tiny twat, so your
> delusions shouldn't be substituted for our current reality.
> Again, we already have Bobbert and the Guthball. We don't need
> another loon, so you should apply elsewhere.
You should probably keep your moronic right wing nitwit conversations in
the limbaugh newsgroup where they belong. If you can't figure out how to
trim headers you will only expose the rest of usenet to your stupidity.
Next time you quote what I say, try to pretend you understood it and
quote it in a context that makes sense.
> I remember the film NASA did for the final flight of the Space Shuttle.
> You see a bunch of workers, young, old, in front of the camera with a
> sign written by them, all with a small sentence like "Proud of America"
> or similar. The come, stay a few seconds, smile, and then they
> disappear.
> And behind the smiles you see the incredible drama in their almost
> invisible tears. Those people were the ones that made the Space Shuttle
> fly.
> Their enormous dedication, their complete enthusiasm for their job.
> A job that disappeared as the whole American working class disappeared.
I (barely) remember the first shuttle launch. And it was the most dramatic
and nerve racking launch I've ever seen and by a lot. The first time
I saw it on TV sitting on the pad, I couldn't believe it. At least the earlier
rockets were mostly tested unmanned first, and they weren't nearly as
complicated as the Shuttle on top of that. Watching that successful
launch was one of the most jaw-dropping moments in NASA
history in my opinion.
The program did last a very long time though, some 30 years, so the sad part
isn't so much it's ending, but that we didn't find a reason to build the next
generation and continue the jobs. Originally, the whole point of a shuttle
and space station was to create a space infrastructure that would enable
much more ambitious space activities. To be determined at a later date.
But when the crucial time came, the goal became returning to the Moon!
Which was clearly a cover for the militarization of space activity.
9/11 had many victims, the direction of our space future was one of them.
Now, low earth orbit is all about intelligence and missile defense.
The big turning point was the first Bush budget a year after he took
office when the Space Solar Power program was cancelled, and
he quietly started turning the manned program into another subsidy
for national security issues post 9/11.
Space Solar Power ....would've given us /good/ reasons, profit
and need oriented reasons, to build the next generation of launch
vehicles to help put up the massive amounts of payloads SSP
would need.
If we can just tap some massive profit making industry in low earth
orbit, we could have all those space jobs back...times ten.
The energy market operates on a huge scale, space activity
needs massive investments, and I don't see any other space
'commodity' with a fraction of the potential, or nearly
as easy to access as Solar Power.
We still can have that future!
9/11 aborted this NASA goal, a worthy goal the public
and Congress could more easily justify and support.
Executive Summary
NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM
"The SERT program was established in FY 1999 and continued
through FY 2000 by U.S. congressional appropriation. An additional
appropriation was also funded for SSP Research and Technology
(SSP R&T) for FY 2001. Decisions on internal NASA budget
allocations for FY 2002 were pending during review and publication
of this report. During recent agency wide realignments, future SSP
programs may be included within other NASA initiatives"
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1
If that program had been continued, here's the projected
timeline below, we would already have a megawatt demonstrator
flying and the 10mw class would be under construction.
> The empire started its decadence period as the workers disappeared.
> The dismantling of the space program is just a symptom of the dismantling
> of the American society.
But if you go over to the various military websites and see
what they're up to in space, I think you'd surprised just how
ambitious and fast our space capabilities are growing.
Soon, our military will make the good 'ol Starship Enterprise
look like a minor weapon next to the US military. We're
building the ability to launch all kinds of mirror covered
UAV's, blimbs and satellites which will serve a dual purpose.
To collect information, and bounce laser beams from a
large ground based laser, to ..any place the mirrors can see.
To anyplace on Earth, at the flip of a switch....Zap!
Even Captain Kirk couldn't do that, not any point on
Earth from one place.
Stealth is now the realm of weapons too, as in a laser
leaves behind no evidence and is invisible, things will
just get hot and explode. Read for yourself, it's pretty
interesting stuff.
Tactical Relay Mirror System (TRMS)
"The Pentagon's Office of Force Transformation is evaluating a plan
to use relay mirrors with a 15- to 25-kilowatt laser. This "redirected"
energy weapon would not suffer line-of-sight limitations, and could
hit targets quickly with minimal collateral damage. The Tactical
Redirected Energy initiative would place a laser in a transportable
container [such as a connex box] with the tactical relay mirror
integrated on a unmanned aerial vehicle or aerostat balloon.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/trms.htm
The Evolutionary Air and space Global Laser Engagement (EAGLE)
"The project is a combination of two separate missile defense efforts:
the Aerospace Relay Mirror System and a new, high-altitude airship.
The project is designed as a means to destroy enemy missiles before
they would have the opportunity to hit targets on American soil.
It involves using either ground-based, air-based or space-based lasers
deflected off a massive airship (roughly 25 times the size of the Goodyear
blimp) covered in mirrors that could destroy missiles but also satellites
or spacecraft in a low-earth orbit."
"According to an article published on May 3, 2006 in the New York Times,
research is being conducted at the laboratory into how to use ground-based
lasers to disable satellites; that is, as an anti-satellite weapon.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfire_Optical_Range
> To the contrary of Mr Haskell, it is obvious to me that Mr Obama is
> following exactly the same policies of Mr Bush and of Mr Clinton before.
> Yes, Mr Haskell wants a republican to win the white house and spreads
> misinformation about the housing bubble (as if Mr Bush was innocent
> from it) and other self-evident lies.
> He is not going anywhere, as the rest of the American society. But the
> word pride that he uses reminded me of those workers saying goodbye
> in that short film.
> > > > "> Your lying aside, Hussein can find trillions for everything but
> > > > programs
> > > >> like NASA. He doesn't give a damn about what anything cost if he
> > > >> wants
> > > >> to
> > > >> fund it, you imbecile.
> > > > It's not he won't fund it - he wants to kill it. Obama wanted to end
> > > > NASA
> > > > funding and use the money for inner city schools when he was a
> > > > Senator.
> > > > That didn't work - so now he's bit by bit ending some meaningful
> > > > efforts
> > > > and keeping or starting some that are meaningless. He's creating a
> > > > well
> > > > oiled machine and headed it for a major cliff. By the time the
> > > > government
> > > > really gets serious about budget cuts - NASA won't be able to pass the
> > > > giggle test. How do you boil a frog - slowly!
> > > That's why 4 more years of the anti-American-n-chief will be national
> > > suicide.
> > > -Eddie Haskell
> > > brought to US by a republican party thats so corrupt its non
> > > functional.
> > Cite?
> > -Eddie Haskell
> > Just wait and see troll.
> I win again.
> Now, when are you corrupt cocksuckers going to prosecute black panther voter
> intimidation as opposed to spending your time protecting voter fraud?
> I'd go on but it would require a fuckin' War and Peace novel.
> -Eddie Haskell
You win nothing. You are only stirring the S**t pot. And you've
never read a physical chemistry textbook nor have you read War and
Peace.
You will love Brad G....................................Trig
> > I remember the film NASA did for the final flight of the Space Shuttle.
> > You see a bunch of workers, young, old, in front of the camera with a
> > sign written by them, all with a small sentence like "Proud of America"
> > or similar. The come, stay a few seconds, smile, and then they
> > disappear.
> > And behind the smiles you see the incredible drama in their almost
> > invisible tears. Those people were the ones that made the Space Shuttle
> > fly.
> > Their enormous dedication, their complete enthusiasm for their job.
> > A job that disappeared as the whole American working class disappeared.
> I (barely) remember the first shuttle launch. And it was the most dramatic
> and nerve racking launch I've ever seen and by a lot. The first time
> I saw it on TV sitting on the pad, I couldn't believe it. At least the
> earlier
> rockets were mostly tested unmanned first, and they weren't nearly as
> complicated as the Shuttle on top of that. Watching that successful
> launch was one of the most jaw-dropping moments in NASA
> history in my opinion.
> The program did last a very long time though, some 30 years, so the sad part
> isn't so much it's ending, but that we didn't find a reason to build the
> next
> generation and continue the jobs. Originally, the whole point of a shuttle
> and space station was to create a space infrastructure that would enable
> much more ambitious space activities. To be determined at a later date.
> But when the crucial time came, the goal became returning to the Moon!
> Which was clearly a cover for the militarization of space activity.
> 9/11 had many victims, the direction of our space future was one of them.
> Now, low earth orbit is all about intelligence and missile defense.
> The big turning point was the first Bush budget a year after he took
> office when the Space Solar Power program was cancelled, and
> he quietly started turning the manned program into another subsidy
> for national security issues post 9/11.
> Space Solar Power ....would've given us /good/ reasons, profit
> and need oriented reasons, to build the next generation of launch
> vehicles to help put up the massive amounts of payloads SSP
> would need.
> If we can just tap some massive profit making industry in low earth
> orbit, we could have all those space jobs back...times ten.
> The energy market operates on a huge scale, space activity
> needs massive investments, and I don't see any other space
> 'commodity' with a fraction of the potential, or nearly
> as easy to access as Solar Power.
> We still can have that future!
> 9/11 aborted this NASA goal, a worthy goal the public
> and Congress could more easily justify and support.
> Executive Summary
> NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
> RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM
> "The SERT program was established in FY 1999 and continued
> through FY 2000 by U.S. congressional appropriation. An additional
> appropriation was also funded for SSP Research and Technology
> (SSP R&T) for FY 2001. Decisions on internal NASA budget
> allocations for FY 2002 were pending during review and publication
> of this report. During recent agency wide realignments, future SSP
> programs may be included within other NASA initiatives"http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1
> If that program had been continued, here's the projected
> timeline below, we would already have a megawatt demonstrator
> flying and the 10mw class would be under construction.
> > The empire started its decadence period as the workers disappeared.
> > The dismantling of the space program is just a symptom of the dismantling
> > of the American society.
> But if you go over to the various military websites and see
> what they're up to in space, I think you'd surprised just how
> ambitious and fast our space capabilities are growing.
> Soon, our military will make the good 'ol Starship Enterprise
> look like a minor weapon next to the US military. We're
> building the ability to launch all kinds of mirror covered
> UAV's, blimbs and satellites which will serve a dual purpose.
> To collect information, and bounce laser beams from a
> large ground based laser, to ..any place the mirrors can see.
> To anyplace on Earth, at the flip of a switch....Zap!
> Even Captain Kirk couldn't do that, not any point on
> Earth from one place.
> Stealth is now the realm of weapons too, as in a laser
> leaves behind no evidence and is invisible, things will
> just get hot and explode. Read for yourself, it's pretty
> interesting stuff.
> Tactical Relay Mirror System (TRMS)
> "The Pentagon's Office of Force Transformation is evaluating a plan
> to use relay mirrors with a 15- to 25-kilowatt laser. This "redirected"
> energy weapon would not suffer line-of-sight limitations, and could
> hit targets quickly with minimal collateral damage. The Tactical
> Redirected Energy initiative would place a laser in a transportable
> container [such as a connex box] with the tactical relay mirror
> integrated on a unmanned aerial vehicle or aerostat balloon.http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/trms.htm
> The Evolutionary Air and space Global Laser Engagement (EAGLE)
> "The project is a combination of two separate missile defense efforts:
> the Aerospace Relay Mirror System and a new, high-altitude airship.
> The project is designed as a means to destroy enemy missiles before
> they would have the opportunity to hit targets on American soil.
> It involves using either ground-based, air-based or space-based lasers
> deflected off a massive airship (roughly 25 times the size of the Goodyear
> blimp) covered in mirrors that could destroy missiles but also satellites
> or spacecraft in a low-earth orbit."
> "According to an article published on May 3, 2006 in the New York Times,
> research is being conducted at the laboratory into how to use ground-based
> lasers to disable satellites; that is, as an anti-satellite weapon.[2]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfire_Optical_Range
> > To the contrary of Mr Haskell, it is obvious to me that Mr Obama is
> > following exactly the same policies of Mr Bush and of Mr Clinton before.
> > Yes, Mr Haskell wants a republican to win the white house and spreads
> > misinformation about the housing bubble (as if Mr Bush was innocent
> > from it) and other self-evident lies.
> > He is not going anywhere, as the rest of the American society. But the
> > word pride that he uses reminded me of those workers saying goodbye
> > in that short film.
>>>>>>> Oh, I guess we needn't bother with that 'election' thingy, then.
>>>>>>> After all, Bobbert has spoken!
>>"The voters will choose" is what he said.
> No. What he said was "The voters will choose Obama". Just a bit
> different.
Not as different as your strawman that "we needn't bother with that election"
This is just another example of you blinder wearing political hacks being assholes.
> Poor, sad, little twat. You just can't think outside your own
> stereotypes, can you?
> Hint: I don't have a religion.
If the stereotype fits, live with it.
>>> You're a sad, pathetic little twat, aren't you?
>>Possibly, but I'm not a brainwashed nitwit so I am not programmed to
>>defend some dopey position that I don't understand with lies. .
> So you're doing it because you're drugged? That seems the only other
> explanation.
You don't have a lot of original ideas, I can understand why that is as far as your independent thinking has gotten you. Maybe someone will broadcast an idea on the radio or something and you can come back and regurgitate it to multible uninterested newsgroups.
> What I got (from the beginning) is that you're a sad little troll.
> Pity your aim is so poor, but you're still mildly amusing to poke to
> watch you gibber.
Thats a shame for you really. It explains the popularity of political assholes on the radio though. If there are enough drones like yourself regurgitating the few things they can understand it can't lose.
>>You just spelled it right there, how is this any sort of test? Are you
>>really this stupid?
> So even with the example before you you couldn't do it?
> English isn't among the languages you speak, is it?
Running out of ideas to regurgitate? I almost feel bad for you now.
>>If you are trying to say that I am projecting maybe you can explain what
>>philosophy I am trying to espouse other than my opinion that people who
>>latch onto a political idealogy and are willing to lie to defend it are
>>assholes?
> Your obvious hallucinations demonstrate your problem quite clearly.
I understand, you are waiting for someone on AM radio to explain it to you. No rush, I'll wait till you find an idea to copy, you don't have to say pointless stupid things just to have an answer.
>>You should probably keep your moronic right wing nitwit conversations in
>>the limbaugh newsgroup where they belong. If you can't figure out how to
>>trim headers you will only expose the rest of usenet to your stupidity.
> More hallucinations on your part.
More vapid responses, I'll wait for you to come up with an idea, you don't have to rush to respond. Remember the old adage - better to remain silent and let everyone think you are stupid ....
> Hint: I was pillorying Bobbert because he's an idiot.
> Hint: I haven't expressed any political views, so your stereotypical
> attacks are merely a product of your own 'head up and locked'
> political delusions.
Hint, you are no smarter than anyone who crossposted this thread out of your newsgroup, you are all political hacks who don't realize that you are engaged in a pointless circular argument about things you aren't smart enough to understand. The fact that you think you are pillorying someone and the best you could come up with was your stupid strawman makes me think you are dumber than the average right wing nitwit.
>>Next time you quote what I say, try to pretend you understood it and
>>quote it in a context that makes sense.
> Quoting what you say in a context where it makes sense is impossible,
> since it doesn't make sense when you originally post it.
Then why did you try to do it? If this post was about physics you wouldn't understand it any better than you understand common sense. Of course it is impossible for you.
Don't get your panties in a bunch, I am sure there aren't many things in the world that are possible for you to make sense of.If you argue about all of them you wouldn't have time to regurgitate things you hear on the radio.
>>>>>>>>> Oh, I guess we needn't bother with that 'election' thingy, then.
>>>>>>>>> After all, Bobbert has spoken!
>>>>"The voters will choose" is what he said.
>>> No. What he said was "The voters will choose Obama". Just a bit
>>> different.
>>Not as different as your strawman that "we needn't bother with that >>election"
> It's not a 'strawman'. Please take a logic course.
It is a strawman, you are pretending that his statement meant that we didn't need to hold an election, when he clearly stated in his post that the voters will decide. In case you need this explained further, his statement means that he belives there will need to be an election, you pretend that it meant we wouldn't.
>>This is just another example of you blinder wearing political hacks >>being assholes.
> My comment wasn't political, you sad little twat. It was about
> BOBBERT.
It was part of your political religion, very scientoligist of you. Bobert disagees with your religion so you need to lie and create strawmen just to make sure his post doesn't go unanswered. As idiotic as your response was.
>>> Poor, sad, little twat. You just can't think outside your own
>>> stereotypes, can you?
>>> Hint: I don't have a religion.
>>If the stereotype fits, live with it.
> And when it doesn't, I laugh at the moron who can't think outside it.
> Hint: That's you.
In this case it fits perfectly, I don't expect you to understand though.
>>You don't have a lot of original ideas, I can understand why that is as >>far as your independent thinking has gotten you. Maybe someone will >>broadcast an idea on the radio or something and you can come back and >>regurgitate it to multible uninterested newsgroups.
> Was that supposed to make some kind of sense? If so, you failed.
To you most things won't make sense, I am learning that about you.
>>> What I got (from the beginning) is that you're a sad little troll.
>>> Pity your aim is so poor, but you're still mildly amusing to poke to
>>> watch you gibber.
>>Thats a shame for you really. It explains the popularity of political >>assholes on the radio though. If there are enough drones like yourself >>regurgitating the few things they can understand it can't lose.
> Move away from the crack pipe, boy....
Is that a bigger problem for you than your basic stupidity? Maybe you should go back to the "projecting" post.
>>Running out of ideas to regurgitate? I almost feel bad for you now.
> Still couldn't spell it, I see. I'd feel bad for you, but I figure
> you're precisely what you deserve.
I can't imagine your arguments getting any weaker or more lame than this, but let's see.
>>> Your obvious hallucinations demonstrate your problem quite clearly.
>>I understand, you are waiting for someone on AM radio to explain it to >>you. No rush, I'll wait till you find an idea to copy, you don't have to >>say pointless stupid things just to have an answer.
> You might want to try a newsreader that doesn't break quoting on long
> lines.
>>>>You should probably keep your moronic right wing nitwit conversations >>in
>>>>the limbaugh newsgroup where they belong. If you can't figure out how >>to
>>>>trim headers you will only expose the rest of usenet to your >>stupidity.
>>> More hallucinations on your part.
>>More vapid responses, I'll wait for you to come up with an idea, you >>don't have to rush to respond. Remember the old adage - better to remain >>silent and let everyone think you are stupid ....
> Poor ideologue. You couldn't even get your "old adage" correct. You
> are a pretty good demonstration for it, though.
Correct enough, unlike you I'm not parroting. In this case stupid was more accurate than Mark Twain's version.
>>Hint, you are no smarter than anyone who crossposted this thread out of >>your newsgroup, you are all political hacks who don't realize that you >>are engaged in a pointless circular argument about things you aren't >>smart enough to understand. The fact that you think you are pillorying >>someone and the best you could come up with was your stupid strawman >>makes me think you are dumber than the average right wing nitwit.
> Well, at least we've discovered a way to make you think SOMETHING,
> because up to now 'thinking' appears to be one of those skills you'
> just can't master.
Vapid and weak, I can see you are losing steam. I'm sure you can reinvigorate your arguments on Monday when you fire up your am radio and "learn" some new things.
>>>>Next time you quote what I say, try to pretend you understood it and
>>>>quote it in a context that makes sense.
>>> Quoting what you say in a context where it makes sense is impossible,
>>> since it doesn't make sense when you originally post it.
>>Then why did you try to do it?
> I didn't.
You did and failed amusingly.
>>If this post was about physics you >>wouldn't understand it any better than you understand common sense. Of >>course it is impossible for you.
> Sorry, but you appear to have stopped making sense again....
To you anyway. That is to be expected.
>>Don't get your panties in a bunch, I am sure there aren't many things in >>the world that are possible for you to make sense of.If you argue about >>all of them you wouldn't have time to regurgitate things you hear on the >>radio.
> Don't get your diapers in a dollop, infant. Nobody is trying to make
> sense of you. You don't matter that much. Sorry. Hope that doesn't
> hurt your feelings.
You are trying your damndest, failing miserably of course but you are obviously trying as hard as your closed little mind will allow.
> Too boring for too long, child. Run along and take your lithium now.
I understand, you are just a sore loser who refuses to admit how wrong he is and doesn't realize how stupid he seems. Maybe you should stick your fingers in your ears and yell so you don't have to be honest with yourself.
> > > > "> Your lying aside, Hussein can find trillions for everything but
> > > > programs
> > > >> like NASA. He doesn't give a damn about what anything cost if he
> > > >> wants
> > > >> to
> > > >> fund it, you imbecile.
> > > > It's not he won't fund it - he wants to kill it. Obama wanted to end
> > > > NASA
> > > > funding and use the money for inner city schools when he was a
> > > > Senator.
> > > > That didn't work - so now he's bit by bit ending some meaningful
> > > > efforts
> > > > and keeping or starting some that are meaningless. He's creating a
> > > > well
> > > > oiled machine and headed it for a major cliff. By the time the
> > > > government
> > > > really gets serious about budget cuts - NASA won't be able to pass > > > > the
> > > > giggle test. How do you boil a frog - slowly!
> > > That's why 4 more years of the anti-American-n-chief will be national
> > > suicide.
> > > -Eddie Haskell
> > > brought to US by a republican party thats so corrupt its non
> > > functional.
> > Cite?
> > -Eddie Haskell
> > Just wait and see troll.
> I win again.
> Now, when are you corrupt cocksuckers going to prosecute black panther > voter
> intimidation as opposed to spending your time protecting voter fraud?
> I'd go on but it would require a fuckin' War and Peace novel.
> -Eddie Haskell
> You win nothing. You are only stirring the S**t pot. And you've
> never read a physical chemistry textbook nor have you read War and
> Peace.
No retort.
I win again.
Now, when are you corrupt cocksuckers going to prosecute black panther voter
intimidation as opposed to spending your time protecting voter fraud?
I'd go on but it would require a fuckin' War and Peace novel.
>>>>> Too boring for too long, child. Run along and take your lithium now.
>>>>I understand,
>>> Unlikely, given your record to date.
>>Of making you feel stupid?
> Of you making you look stupid.
Regurgitating what others say does not count as an idea, just so you know. Ask around, find someone outside your political hack circle to explain it to you. In fact it makes you seem a little stupid.
> Regurgitating what others say does not count as an idea, just so you
> know. Ask around, find someone outside your political hack circle to
> explain it to you. In fact it makes you seem a little stupid.
Fred is a moron. It's not unusual for him to say something is hogwash
without even having the first clue about the topic. If you give Fred
a book, he'll just chew on the cover.
>>> Regurgitating what others say does not count as an idea, just so you
>>> know. Ask around, find someone outside your political hack circle to
>>> explain it to you. In fact it makes you seem a little stupid.
>>Fred is a moron. It's not unusual for him to say something is hogwash
>>without even having the first clue about the topic. If you give Fred
>>a book, he'll just chew on the cover.
> You've really got to love how the loonies stick together. Personally,
> I think it's because they don't wash frequently enough....
Find any evidence that he and I ever shared a thread in the history of usenet. Do you need to lie about everything?
Are you surprised that 2 independent posters find you stupid independently? Or do you just need to use the "sticking together" thing to help you get through another weeek without any self awareness?
>>Find any evidence that he and I ever shared a thread in the history of >>usenet. Do you need to lie about everything?
> Where did I ever say you did? Are you incapable of any reality at
> all?
Sticking together would imply that we are making fun of you for reasons other than your stupidity. Try to face reality.
>>Are you surprised that 2 independent posters find you stupid >>independently? Or do you just need to use the "sticking together" thing >>to help you get through another weeek without any self awareness?
> Well, let's look at things. You (loony troll) leap to the defense of
> Bobbert Haller (resident loon) and are then supported by Jonathan
> (resident buffoon). Your stickiness seems pretty well demonstrated.
> Now go wash...
You crosspost your illogical crap, you get called on it by a stranger from another newsgroup. Someone who knows you confirms your stupidity and here you are pretending that you didn't say I was too boring to merit a response only 3 or 4 posts ago.
