"Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]"
<jth
...@astro.indiana-zebra.edu> wrote in
news:80hmnfFeetU3@mid.individual.net:
> clifford wright <c.c.wri
...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> Well we have the following bits of what has been very well described
>> as "handwavium".
>> Dark matter, Dark energy, Quintessence. There are possibly a few
>> others by now.
>> All these concepts have one thing in common, at least for now. They
>> are very conveniently unobservable at convenient distances, or in the
>> laboratory on Earth.
>> You know sometimes it begins to remind me of Pons and Fleiscmann and
>> UFO's.
> [[...]]
>> How convenient for example that "Dark Matter" has the habit of only
>> existing, in quantity outside galactic disks or main structures of
>> baryonic matter. So hard to ever get to to examine and NEVER found in
>> your Earthly experiments.
> [[...]]
> I think you're mistaken -- dark matter *is* predicted to be present
> near the Earth, it's just very hard to detect. We know of some forms
> of matter which are hard to detect (e.g., neutrinos), so it's not much
> of a leap of logic to postulate that there might be others around
> which we haven't spotted yet.
> [Neutrinos were predicted by Pauli in 1930 on theoretical
> grounds. But they're very hard to detect, and weren't
> directly observed until 1956. Just about everything you
> wrote could apply quite nicely to neutrinos in (say) 1950.]
> There are experiments running now which are trying to detect dark
> matter in Earth-bound laboratories. There have been a couple of
> claims of possible detections, but none which have been solid enough
> to become widely accepted by other researchers.
> So... there are (at least) two possibilities:
> (a) dark matter doesn't exist
> (b) dark matter does exist, but the experiments so far haven't been
> sensitive enough to clearly detect it above the background noises
> The only good way to distinguish between these possibilities is to
> run more sensitive experiments. These are in progress now, so stay
> tuned for further developments over the coming years.....
Ah! But there was good reason for Pauli to pedict the neutrino, nuclear
reactions were NOt balancing and energy had to go somewhere.
"Dark matter" is a "material" postulated in a situation where other,
at least as reasonable explanations, are available.
Also it appears to be (as I said) remarkable by its avoidance of baryonic
matter and all the apparent effects that I am aware of involve scaling
factors that (to me) give strong credence to alternative explanations.
In other words, the bigger the chunk of the Universe, the higher the
proportion of "Dark Matter".
Oh well, I'm getting on a bit now and I haven't got so many years to hang
around to see the experimental results. But at the moment I think that i
might put it up as a bet with some of my old colleagues from auckland
university, along with (IMO) the mythical, detectable "Gravitational
radiation".
Please don't talk too much of "background noise" though, this stuff is
supposed to be about 90% of the mass of the universe. Perhaps it is hard
to detect for the same reason that LIGO doesn't work, but then that makes
current theories of gravity even dodgier!
If you and the guys at LIGO are right my pension may get a bit of a blow.
But so far in the latter case I'm still winning.