Scientific Accuracy of Quran amazes you
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Scientific Accuracy of Quran amazes you
This message is based on an article titled "Highlights of Human
embryology in the Qur'an and Haidth" by Dr.Keith Moore, Professor of
Anatomy and Chairman of the Department, Faculty of Medicine, at the
University of Toronto.Dr. Moore points out that the study of how the
human embryo develops in the mother's womb could not progress
significantly without the use of microscopes. Microscopes were not
invented until the 17th century C.E., and were not used in this field
of study until the 18th century. Therefore, when Dr. Moore studied
certain statements in the Qur'an on this subject, he remarked, " I was
amazed at the scientific accuracy of these statements which were made
in the 7th century C.E.,"
The Qur'an in 39:6 states that God made us in the wombs of our mothers
in stages. Dr. Moore comments: "The realization that the embryo
develops in stages in the uterus was not proposed until the1940's, and
the stages used nowadays were not adopted worldwide until the 19th
century C.E."Furthermore, he says: "The idea that development results
from a genetic plan contained in the chromosomes, of the zygote was
not discovered until the end of the 19th century C.E. The verse from
the Qur'an [80:18] clearly implies that the nutfa (i.e.
the initial drop of fluid) contains the plan or blueprint for the
future characteristics and features of the developing human being."The
Qur'an 23: 12-16 indicates that there is a lag or a gap between two of
the early stages of growth. How does that compare with modern
scientific knowledge? Remarkably! Says
Dr. Moore: "It is well established that there is a lag or a delay in
the development of
the embryo during the implantation… The agreement between the lag or
gap in development mentioned in the Qur'an and the slow rate of change
occurring during the second or third weeks is amazing. These details
of human development were not described until about 40 years
ago."Finally,
Dr. Moore concludes by saying that the agreement he has found in the
Qur'anic statements 'may help to close the gap between science and
religion which has existed for so many years."The above evidence shows
that the Qur'an must be from God as it claims. The Qur'an says that
you and every human being should consider this book with care: {Had it
been from anyone other than God, you would have found much discrepancy
in it} [Qur'an 4:82]
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Mohammad was a remarkable man who brought Greek and Persian culture to
Arabia. This is a tremendous achiement that should not be belittled.
However the cosmology is wrong in the ways described. The Sun is a
star, and so planets without stars is a logical contradiction.
It took a long time to prove first of all that the Earth goes round
the Sun and secondly to measure cosmic distances accurately so that
the stars could be established as being comperable to the Sun. You
need pretty good telescopes to get a meaningful parallax. On a purely
human basis Mohammad cannot be faulted.
The main question is was the Koran DICTATED by the archangel Gabriel
or is it simply an inspired book of teaching? If the former one would
expect to get the Physics right. One would expect it to contain
knowledge in advance of the 7th century. If the latter then people
should be able to research readings and dig up manuscripts in the
Yemen, just as they do with the Gospels and Dead Sea Scrolls. They
should be able to do this without having their lives threatened.
- Ian Parker
Willie...@gmail.com
10% mark - if that. Anything more than two centuries old, are as the
musings of children in the dark.
But I am curious. Why are planetary sized bodies flying through
interstellar space free of a star a logical impossiblity in your
view? I do agree that most planets are likely formed around stars,
but even that isn't known with certainty. Some might be formed some
other ways. Also, planets around stars that pass close to one another
may be accelerated away to fly freely through space afterward.
Such planets would be damned cold, haha.. unless as Bob Forward
postulated in one of his stories, life forms arose that processed
fissionable materials to power chemical processes.
This idea was well before the bacteria that processes hot water vents
under the ocean were discovered, so, Bob was right about that one,
Planets and other small bodies in interstellar space likely form an
appreciable navigation hazard to interstellar travel where they
occur. At present we have no idea how many such objects there might
be flying free of stars. Heck, we weren't even sure about Kuiper Belt
Objects a decade ago, and we're still not sure about Nemesis or the
presence of other low luminosity brown dwarfs further out.
One of the things we need to do as part of our expansion into space it
create improved space based survey instruments and a common scientific
network to tie them all together and gather the information across
large areas, and across lengths of time. All science would benefit
from all instruments having a common mode of data formatting - and
older records being permanently stored in this new common format..
Hubble Space Telescope was the barest beginning. Lots of politics,
because it was basically a KH-11 spysat adapted for space
observation. We need to be doing more and set the politics of the
cold war aside.
Large optical telescopes, VLBI with radio IR vis and UV - done in
space would do a lot to help us figure out what's around us in the
solar system and set the stage for the next big development - Near
Earth Objects. will teach us in this century how to move and mine
asteroids and Kuiper Belt Objects - while securing our planet from
collisions in space.
Beyond that, we need to send missions out to a thousand astronomical
units and explore the potential of gravity lensing to provide a
powerful telescopic ability across the cosmos, and chart the space
around our sun to a very high degree of accuracy.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1986BAAS...18Q1012M
Doing this in the next 20 years will prepare us for interstellar
voyaging in the years that follow, while charting the riches of the
solar system for eventual development by humanity.
Finally, we have at the center of the galaxy, and apparently ALL
galaxies, a rapidly spinning black hole.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fytriKJ8xhE
The three million solar mass 23 million km diameter black hole spins
at 37% the speed of light, requiring 11 minutes to complete one
revolution. Around the equator is an ergosphere - a very sizeable
ergosphere.
http://odin.physastro.mnsu.edu/~eskridge/astr101/kauf24_10.JPG
http://www.engr.mun.ca/~ggeorge/astron/lkjh.gif
Which provides the possibility of extracting energy from within the
event horizon of the black hole through the penrose process
http://www.ias.ac.in/jarch/jaa/6/85-100.pdf
and travelling through time through von stuckum zones
http://www.geocities.com/theophysics/tipler-rotating-cylinders.pdf
While Frank Tipler conjectured that an infinitely long cylinder would
have a tide free region physical observers could travel through
without mishap, it is clear that a spherical black hole of sufficient
mass spinning rapidly has same time violating regions within its
ergosphere that can transmit radio, microwave, light and UV rays to
any point in space and time accessible during the black hole's
existence. Since the black hole has existed for billions of years,
and the galaxy is 100,000s light years in extent, it is obvious that
the supermassive black hole forms a gateway to the distant past, the
distant future and distant spaces - with real time feedback possible..
That is, we should be able to send a radio pulse in the 'water hole'
region of the microwave spectrum, to the black hole at the center of
the milky way galaxy, and cause a more powerful pulse to be returned
to any point in time here on Earth.
The first experiment would be to use VLBI techniques to send and
recieve a pulse - an experiment that would take only a few minutes and
guage the physics of the black hole we're dealing with.
Then, we can explore any point in time at any point in the galaxy.
Since there are 3 million solar masses of energy available in the
black hole, a very modest well structured pulse could scan the entire
galaxy and return echoes back to our own place and time.
In this way, communication with the past is possible, and the future
and instantaneous communication across the galaxy is possible.
http://www.setileague.org/general/waterhol.htm
Once this has been achieved, we will maybe be 50% along the path to
true understanding of the cosmos.
With the ability to signal through time, and receive signals through
time - we will understand more about parallel universes and our place
in the universe - and how these universes affect one another (I always
thought it weird that the rock band THE CURE became famous the same
month Stanislav Petrov avoided nuclear conflagratoin in September 1983
- and that the gothic band portrayed love andunderground life in a
vast radioactive wasteland - haha - I imagine that .they were in
communication somehow with the world Stanislav did not save.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4SZhumbv0s
These musings are as accurate and meaningful as the musings of
Mohammad - and just as informed. Yet science is poised to really know
the difference the real difference between past future present and
eternity. At that point, we might know enough to understand our
feelings and our experiences and integrate them in some rational
meaningful way - and we will have resolved the hero task of the modern
scientific age.
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BradGuth
> On 2 Sep, 14:40, amisb65 <amis...@gmail.com> wrote:http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/islam.html
>
> Mohammad was a remarkable man who brought Greek and Persian culture to
> Arabia. This is a tremendous achiement that should not be belittled.
> However the cosmology is wrong in the ways described. The Sun is a
> star, and so planets without stars is a logical contradiction.
You can have Earth like planets orbiting a Jupiter+ class of warm
mass. No sun is required.
Earth itself is still 98.5% fluid, and most of that fluid is extremely
hot.
~ BG
Ian Parker
Some basic definitions. A "planet" goes round a star. A "moon" goes
round a planet. It is possible for life to exist on moons, you may
loosely describe a large moon as a planet but it isn't really.
- Ian Parker
BradGuth
I'd take whatever life on a Earth like moon of a 2X Jupiter planet
(proto mini sun) most any day, over that of orbiting a star that's
going red giant and soon enough flashing over into a little white
dwarf (aka Sirius B going from a 6x solar mass down to a one solar
mass seems like a darn nasty kind of star for a planet to avoid at all
cost).
In this case, the bigger the mother planet the better, as set free
from the tidal radius of whatever initial star would make such an
existence w/o sun into an interesting rogue kind of interstellar
adventure.
~ BG
Ian Parker
> We haven't even begun yet to learn about the cosmos - we're at about
> 10% mark - if that. Anything more than two centuries old, are as the
> musings of children in the dark.
>
> But I am curious. Why are planetary sized bodies flying through
> interstellar space free of a star a logical impossiblity in your
> view? I do agree that most planets are likely formed around stars,
> but even that isn't known with certainty. Some might be formed some
> other ways. Also, planets around stars that pass close to one another
> may be accelerated away to fly freely through space afterward.
>
> Such planets would be damned cold, haha.. unless as Bob Forward
> postulated in one of his stories, life forms arose that processed
> fissionable materials to power chemical processes.
>
> This idea was well before the bacteria that processes hot water vents
> under the ocean were discovered, so, Bob was right about that one,
>
I suppose that life exists aroung hot vents. This is the supposition
for Europa. Europa BTW gets most of its energy from tides rather than
radioactive decay.
This is however beside the main point. There STIL needs to be carbon,
and this can only come from the first generation of stars. Helium is
converted to Carbon, Oxygen and Silicon. Could I make one other remark
here about dark matter. Planets/brown drawfs are NOT dark matter. This
is clear since in the Big Bang Hydrogen, Helium and Lithium were
formed (at the end of 3 minutes). This sets limits on the amount of
baryonic matter. DM is therefore, for the most part, non baryonic.
> Planets and other small bodies in interstellar space likely form an
> appreciable navigation hazard to interstellar travel where they
> occur. At present we have no idea how many such objects there might
> be flying free of stars. Heck, we weren't even sure about Kuiper Belt
> Objects a decade ago, and we're still not sure about Nemesis or the
> presence of other low luminosity brown dwarfs further out.
>
Not stricly true. We don't know about every object in the Kuiper belt
but broad limits are set by the first 3 minutes. One interesting
point. Will CERN throw any light on the DM question? Yes aand no. DM
particles are of low mass a few KeV. This is set by the Dark Matter
experiment down the mine and also from the diffuse nature of DM. This
contrasts with the 14TeV collisions of CERN. If however CERN indicates
supersymmetry we will know that photinos and gravitinos are
components.
> One of the things we need to do as part of our expansion into space it
> create improved space based survey instruments and a common scientific
> network to tie them all together and gather the information across
> large areas, and across lengths of time. All science would benefit
> from all instruments having a common mode of data formatting - and
> older records being permanently stored in this new common format..
>
Not really. Travelling at c/2 or even 0.1c planets are the least of
your worries. Dust collisions have nuclear force. To make an
interstellar journey you need some sort of sacrificial shield. I have
proposed at one point having a clould of dust particles held in place
by electrostatics.
> Hubble Space Telescope was the barest beginning. Lots of politics,
> because it was basically a KH-11 spysat adapted for space
> observation. We need to be doing more and set the politics of the
> cold war aside.
>
> Large optical telescopes, VLBI with radio IR vis and UV - done in
> space would do a lot to help us figure out what's around us in the
> solar system and set the stage for the next big development - Near
> Earth Objects. will teach us in this century how to move and mine
> asteroids and Kuiper Belt Objects - while securing our planet from
> collisions in space.
I am in favor, but as explained planets are not the problem. The
probability of hitting a stone is far higher than that of a planet.
>
> Beyond that, we need to send missions out to a thousand astronomical
> units and explore the potential of gravity lensing to provide a
> powerful telescopic ability across the cosmos, and chart the space
> around our sun to a very high degree of accuracy.
>
I don't know that you need to go 1000AU out. You can detect
gravitational lensing from here. Hubble has done it. Hubble has in
fact given us 8km/s mean speed for DM which fits in quite nicely with
the mine. No, what you need is a more powerful telescope. In fact if
you have your ultrastable platforms and have telescopes 1km or 10km
across the main details they will see looking out into space is DM
details. They will also see Earths orbiting other stars. A telescope
is not dedicated to just one thing. 1000AU would give you a 2D view of
DM.
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1986BAAS...18Q1012M
>
> Doing this in the next 20 years will prepare us for interstellar
> voyaging in the years that follow, while charting the riches of the
> solar system for eventual development by humanity.
>
> Finally, we have at the center of the galaxy, and apparently ALL
> galaxies, a rapidly spinning black hole.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fytriKJ8xhE
>
> The three million solar mass 23 million km diameter black hole spins
> at 37% the speed of light, requiring 11 minutes to complete one
> revolution. Around the equator is an ergosphere - a very sizeable
> ergosphere.
>
>
> Which provides the possibility of extracting energy from within the
> event horizon of the black hole through the penrose process
>
> http://www.ias.ac.in/jarch/jaa/6/85-100.pdf
>
> and travelling through time through von stuckum zones
The Penrose process is in fact in operation roung supermassive BHs and
produces the jets.
As far as time travel is concerned I do not think this is possible.
The soltion in GR all postulate negative mass. I think we have
discussed this already vis a vis warp drives.
There is another paradox. This in an infinity paradox rather than the
traditional grandfather paradox. Suppose we send a beam of loght which
gets shifted back in time. We can use the returning light to reinforce
the beam we are sending. Infinity therefore. Infinity - INFLATION? I
have posted on that too.
>
>
> These musings are as accurate and meaningful as the musings of
> Mohammad - and just as informed. Yet science is poised to really know
> the difference the real difference between past future present and
> eternity. At that point, we might know enough to understand our
> feelings and our experiences and integrate them in some rational
> meaningful way - and we will have resolved the hero task of the modern
> scientific age.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AG4rlGkCRU
This I think is missing the main point, which is was advanced
knowledge DICTATED. Did it travel back in time. Suppose we could
transmit a message to the 17th century - Andrew Wiles' proof! There is
a legend that Fermat when he lay dying said that he had the proof of
the "last theorem" and would write it down. Did he? Andrew Wiles is
extremely skeptical.
Did any advanced knowledge reach Mohammad? The analysis has been given
previously. No evidence. There is one other point too. I mentioned the
17th century and the proof of Fermat. What about prime polynomials and
the products of two prime polynomials. Error correction no less. Note
that All Arabic is placed lift to right in the Buckwalter one to one
transliteration system
http://www.qamus.org/transliteration.htm
What about women covering their faces.
- or tightening their belts?
My own investigations on Arabic have whown that the short vowels are a
critical factor.
String=wAlW$rAqytA
and+the Illuminist 64 two
and+the Illuminist 256 two
String=bsm
smiling 64
smile 64
smiles 64
smiling 64
in / by + (the) Name of 64
crush 4 you
pulverize 4 you
kiss 4 you
by poison 64
by feature/characteristic/stamp 64
The strings are all Buckwalter. The computer tries to find a prefix, a
suffix and a stem which fit. The number refers to a part of speech and
will be used for agreement. The suffix meaning here comes after the
stem (in fact incorrect). "two" is a suffix dual.
The point is WITH SHORT VOWELS INCLUDED MOST AMBIGUITY IS RESOLVED.
Now the point is the Archangel Gabriel was remiss in not insisting on
an error correction scheme. This after all is pretty elementary when
you go to Pluto.
The political point is that up to fairly recently the Arab world had
had secular governments and the general appearance of Cairo, Damascus
and Tangier was that of any other Mediterrean city. Then along came
the Saudi Wahabbis who insisted on the veil.
If Gabiel had dictated prime polynomials either :-
1) Cairo, Damascus, Tangier would NEVER have had the appearance of
Mediterranean cities, or
2) They would still have that appearance.
He puts up a case. He may be right, I don't know. I think this the
core point is the possibility of ambiguity. It would be interesting to
see what Moslems actually think about this. Almost certainly the Koran
has changed. It must have by the law of averages.
This to me is the central point.
- Ian Parker