Altitude record for a single stage rocket
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altitude record for a single stage vehicle?
Nicholas Hill
Rand Simberg
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>I've tried Googling with no success: does anyone know the current
>altitude record for a single stage vehicle?
Orbit, if you don't count the sustainers on the Atlas.
thom...@flash.net
Dunno, but ESA's MAXUS gets to a bit more than 700 km.
Greg D. Moore (Strider)
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> I've tried Googling with no success: does anyone know the current
> altitude record for a single stage vehicle?
>
> Nicholas Hill
Note that altitude isn't an overly useful metric.
Velocity AND altitude matter. 700km isn't overly useful if it's straight up
and down.
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BradGuth
? 700 km at zero payload ?
What's the inert shell or hull worth?
What inert mass is the MAXUS w/nuclear warhead worth?
. - Brad Guth
Nicho...@aol.com
The reason I'm asking is that I've heard it said that Black Knioght
BK03 holds the record at 499miles, or 795 km. I was wondering whther
this was true, and whether it's still true. It was fired at 88 degrees
to the horizontal.
I agree that altitude per se is no great achievement in itself. Atlas
SCORE would win, if you count it as single stage!
thom...@flash.net
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> 700km isn't overly useful if it's straight up and down.
It is if the object of the flight is to do microgravity experiments.
Actually, ISTR that such flights are launched a little to the east to
bring the landing area closer to the launch site.
Joseph Nebus
If you count SCORE as a single-stage, then it certainly beats
out MAXUS: the apogee for SCORE was about 1500 kilometers (Encyclopedia
Astronautica gives its apogee at 1484 kilometers, perigee 185 km). But
again if Mark Wade's to be believed the dropped side engines had a mass
of about 3,000 kilograms, compared to the remaining rocket coming in at
4,000 kilograms (dry).
I would have nominated the famous September 1956 launch of a
Jupiter-C/Juno/What-Have-You, but on finally finding the Jupiter-C
page on Encyclopedia Astronautica -- it turns out to be
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/jupiterc.htm
for the record -- it turns out that was a three-stage launch, which
goes against the impression I had had about the Jupiter-C. Obviously
there are pieces of early space history which have been garbled in the
reduction to single sentences in 1200-page explanations of Apollo 11.
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>On Sat, 31 May 2008 02:03:01 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
>Nicho...@aol.com made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
>as to indicate that:
>
>>I've tried Googling with no success: does anyone know the current
>>altitude record for a single stage vehicle?
>
>Orbit, if you don't count the sustainers on the Atlas.
Sorry, I misread the question. Obviously, you can get way above LEO
altitude, but you won't be in orbit. I thought you were curious as to
how close to orbit one could get, but that question would be better
asked as what kind of velocity had been achieved with a single stage.
Matt
Atlas in response to this question: the rocket couldn't even lift off
without them. The same goes for aircraft launch.
If we are talking one integral stage, then Maxus seems to have the
record. A max of 700km or so leaves far behind the largest single-
stage American rockets I can think of, like Aerobee and Viking, as
well as the maximum reach (about 200 km, IIRC) of any of the V-2s
fired in Germany or in the U.S. I can't find a number for the single-
stage (unboosted) Black Brandt V, but it's well short of that, I am
sure. I found a Maxus 7 record of 702 km and an estimate for a Maxus 6
at 710, and I think that's likely to be it.
We could build an SSTO rocket (proposed many times, but never deemed
feasible - or, at least, those who have the funds to do it have never
deemed it desirable). An SSTO would in all likelihood be able to best
the Maxus if you aimed it straight up, but there would be no apparent
reason to fly one that way.
Matt Bille
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Nicholas Hill
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706 km and Maxus7 750 km.
Another source is http://www.ssc.se/?id=6490 (most likely more reliable
since it is the web site of the launch operator!) where Maxus7 is stated
to reach 704,7 km, thus the Astronautix guys has probably exchanged the
"5" and the "0".
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Dr J R Stockton
000pri.googlegroups.com>, Sat, 31 May 2008 15:17:42, Matt
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>We could build an SSTO rocket (proposed many times, but never deemed
>feasible - or, at least, those who have the funds to do it have never
>deemed it desirable). An SSTO would in all likelihood be able to best
>the Maxus if you aimed it straight up, but there would be no apparent
>reason to fly one that way.
ISTM that an SSTO, operating on a non-rotating atmosphere-free Earth,
and burning all its fuel at zero altitude, would if fired straight up
attain a height of one radius. But I've not recently worked it out in
writing; not have I looked to see whether it's been done in the past.
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Matt
single-stage Black Knight configuration, at 795 km, does look like the
record. Congratulations to Nicholas... any other contenders out
there?
Nicho...@aol.com
carefully!
th
> But I was wrong - it was BK04, not BK03. Should have checked more
> carefully!
BK04 reached 803 km in June 1959 according to Astronautix.
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Roger Coppock
Didn't the old Soviet Union set up some dumb publicity
stunt where they put a cannon in a single stage rocket
and fired a hammer-and-sickle medallion to the surface
of the moon back in the 1950's? Would that propaganda
stunt count as a single stage ROCKET, because the other
propulsion was a gun?
Jorge R. Frank
> On May 31, 2:03 am, Nichola...@aol.com wrote:
>> I've tried Googling with no success: does anyone know the current
>> altitude record for a single stage vehicle?
>>
>> Nicholas Hill
>
> Didn't the old Soviet Union set up some dumb publicity
> stunt where they put a cannon in a single stage rocket
> and fired a hammer-and-sickle medallion to the surface
> of the moon back in the 1950's?
No.
Pat Flannery
Roger Coppock wrote:
> Didn't the old Soviet Union set up some dumb publicity
> stunt where they put a cannon in a single stage rocket
> and fired a hammer-and-sickle medallion to the surface
> of the moon back in the 1950's? Would that propaganda
> stunt count as a single stage ROCKET, because the other
> propulsion was a gun?
>
They never did that, but they did impact metal pennants on the Moon with
their Luna 2 spacecraft.
They also sent similar pennants to Mars and Venus.
http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/V_Pennant_Luna01b.jpg
Pat
Jeff Findley
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> They never did that, but they did impact metal pennants on the Moon with
> their Luna 2 spacecraft.
> They also sent similar pennants to Mars and Venus.
> http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/V_Pennant_Luna01b.jpg
Many US probes have had similar...stuff on them. I'm sure there is the
image of a US flag on pretty much everything we've launched. Not to mention
things like records and DVD's with information on them that's vanishingly
unlikely to ever be read in the future.
Jeff
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OM
wrote:
>They never did that, but they did impact metal pennants on the Moon with
>their Luna 2 spacecraft.
...Actually, I thought it was more of a bas-relief of Lenin etched
into the panels, which in turn were designed to fly apart upon impact
so that Lenin's ugly mug would be thrown all over the impact site as a
gesture of the immortality of Communism.
OM
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Pat Flannery
OM wrote:
> ...Actually, I thought it was more of a bas-relief of Lenin etched
> into the panels, which in turn were designed to fly apart upon impact
> so that Lenin's ugly mug would be thrown all over the impact site as a
> gesture of the immortality of Communism.
>
If you check out the link on the posting, it's a sphere made out of
pentagonal medallions, looking a lot like a miniature soccer ball. 4/5's
have CCCP and the date on them, the rest have the great seal of the
Soviet Union on them.
Pat
OM
wrote:
>OM wrote:
...Yeah, you're right. I was apparently recalling another proposed
probe from that time that had Lenin and Marx as well as the "great"
seals. Never got built or launched, but I'll be fracked if I can
remember where I read it. May have been a thread here from way, way
back.