Just got off the phone with the Export Control compliance guy from GD/NASA-KSC. There is *not* an ITAR issue with the stuff I've listed on my website
He also pointed out that GD is *not* trying to censor Saturn V stuff. Whoever did that previously, it is NOT General Dynamics.
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surfduke wrote: >Good News! That was a real worry to Me, that Big Brother might be >stepping on You!
That was a worry to *you?* Imagine how *I* felt about it...
But again: GD requests that you please not hate them. The poster-shredding was not their fault.
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Scott Lowther wrote: > Just got off the phone with the Export Control compliance guy from > GD/NASA-KSC. There is *not* an ITAR issue with the stuff I've listed > on my website
> He also pointed out that GD is *not* trying to censor Saturn V stuff. > Whoever did that previously, it is NOT General Dynamics.
Hmm... sounds like the occult hand of the Illuminati again. Last time it was that same guy saying that all imported bras must be immediately confiscated under the Patriot Act, as they might be made out of woven plastic explosives. :-)
On Jul 30, 1:28 pm, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:
> Scott Lowther wrote: > > Just got off the phone with the Export Control compliance guy from > > GD/NASA-KSC. There is *not* an ITAR issue with the stuff I've listed > > on my website
> > He also pointed out that GD is *not* trying to censor Saturn V stuff. > > Whoever did that previously, it is NOT General Dynamics.
> Hmm... sounds like the occult hand of the Illuminati again. > Last time it was that same guy saying that all imported bras must be > immediately confiscated under the Patriot Act, as they might be made out > of woven plastic explosives. :-)
I dunno. I think the guy complaining didn't want Scott turning a buck on stuff that should be free. Hacker (in the orginal sense, not the media's misnomer for 'cracker') ethic, freeware, GNU, open source, that sort of thing, but for space. If he were giving this away, then maybe he would not have been approached by a corporation for violating a government restriction. One wonders...
> WTF??? Saturn V is under ITAR control? Has anyone told David Weeks?
Why of course our Jewish Third Reich "Saturn V" is entirely hocus pocus ITAR worthy.
After all, with a mere 60:1 rocket per payload ratio, as well as for having a nearly 30% inert GLOW to start off with, never the less somehow that big sucker managed via hocus-pocus smoke and mirrors in order to so quickly get our rad-hard and electrostatic dust proof Apollo missions off to such an impressive fly-by-rocket start. Apparently those brave rad-hard astronauts of ours consumed mass quantities of beans and subsequently utilized their flatulence for the necessary 4th stage thrusting, as well as for getting safely back home. If that's not fully ITAR rated, then perhaps nothing is.
Why don't you try posting the all-inclusive hard facts about such those impressive fly-by-rocket specs of that nifty Saturn V, and show us how those ITAR rated Jewish Third Reich laws of physics are simply way superior to anything else on Earth, even still as of today being at least twice if not nearly three fold better. - Brad Guth
<pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote: >On Jul 30, 1:28 pm, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote: >> Scott Lowther wrote: >> > Just got off the phone with the Export Control compliance guy from >> > GD/NASA-KSC. There is *not* an ITAR issue with the stuff I've listed >> > on my website
>> > He also pointed out that GD is *not* trying to censor Saturn V stuff. >> > Whoever did that previously, it is NOT General Dynamics.
>> Hmm... sounds like the occult hand of the Illuminati again. >> Last time it was that same guy saying that all imported bras must be >> immediately confiscated under the Patriot Act, as they might be made out >> of woven plastic explosives. :-)
>I dunno. I think the guy complaining didn't want Scott turning a buck >on stuff that should be free.
why should he have to give away for free the stuff he spent time and money to track down? If you want it for free go track it down yourself.
Scott Ferrin wrote: >why should he have to give away for free the stuff he spent time and >money to track down? If you want it for free go track it down >yourself.
Well said. It's like paying for bottled water: the stuff falls out of the sky just about everywhere... but people still pay for the convenience. With *some* of my stuff, that's what you're paying for... convenience. It'd be a better use of your resources to pay me $6 than to spend twelve hours online trying to dig it out. But *most* of my stuff goes well beyond convenience. Some of the Saturn drawings, for example, I could tell you exactly how to get: all you need to do is hop a jetliner, fly across country (or across oceans, depending on where you are), gain access to such and such archive or special collections repository, and spend a day or two trying to make heads or tails of a poorly constructed indexing system that seems to miss important details or files things under the wrong name or doesn;t have things listed at all. In that case, six bucks trumps the thousand or so and several man-days you'd otherwise have to spend.
Trust me, I've considered simply offering up a bunch of interesting NTRS PDF files. That'd be *easy.* But it'd also be kinda... I dunno. Seems sleazy. So far, only one of mine comes from NTRS, and that's because the drawings in the online version suck, while I managed to get hold of a *real* copy and make far superior scans from. So the report is there for the text, the scans are there for the drawings.
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<scottlowt...@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote: >Trust me, I've considered simply offering up a bunch of interesting NTRS >PDF files. That'd be *easy.* But it'd also be kinda... I dunno. Seems >sleazy. So far, only one of mine comes from NTRS, and that's because the >drawings in the online version suck, while I managed to get hold of a >*real* copy and make far superior scans from. So the report is there for >the text, the scans are there for the drawings.
...I have a challenge for you, then: drawings related to ASTP, although I suspect that everyone here would rather you do El Kabong I and the landing gear first :-P
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> <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote: > >On Jul 30, 1:28 pm, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote: > >> Scott Lowther wrote: > >> > Just got off the phone with the Export Control compliance guy from > >> > GD/NASA-KSC. There is *not* an ITAR issue with the stuff I've listed > >> > on my website
> >> > He also pointed out that GD is *not* trying to censor Saturn V stuff. > >> > Whoever did that previously, it is NOT General Dynamics.
> >> Hmm... sounds like the occult hand of the Illuminati again. > >> Last time it was that same guy saying that all imported bras must be > >> immediately confiscated under the Patriot Act, as they might be made out > >> of woven plastic explosives. :-)
> >I dunno. I think the guy complaining didn't want Scott turning a buck > >on stuff that should be free.
> why should he have to give away for free the stuff he spent time and > money to track down? If you want it for free go track it down > yourself.
Yes and no.
Sure his prices are reasonable and I meant this more as a friendly jab than a serious post. But there is such stuff as volunteering and doing something for free just because. Again, no insinuation or disrespect for Scott because his prices are reasonable.
Eric Chomko wrote: >Sure his prices are reasonable and I meant this more as a friendly jab >than a serious post. But there is such stuff as volunteering and doing >something for free just because.
Well, consider this: whatever your Day Job is, I presume you think that it has at least *some* value to society. Do you do it "just because?" Or do you like being able to pay your rent/mortgage, food bills, gas money, etc.?
No matter what any person does for a living, there are reasonable chances that the people who pay for that service could do it themselves. Plumbers, electricians, to a degree doctors and dentists, bankers, you name it. But people are willing to pay some amount for the *convenience* of not having to learn how to remove their own impacted wisdom teeth or fill out their own income tax paperwork.
When I no longer have to worry about money - sure, annnnny day now - then I'll give serious considerations to dumping everything I've collected onto DVD's and selling for cost of materials plus postage. Ain't there yet. If you want to see that day come, collect for me about $2,000,000. I figure one million reasonably invested would let me be set for life... and since Uncle Sam taxes half of everything away, you need to double it. So... pony up! Think of it as an investment in the future. For The Children.
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> > WTF??? Saturn V is under ITAR control? Has anyone told David Weeks?
> Why of course our Jewish Third Reich "Saturn V" is entirely hocus > pocus ITAR worthy.
> After all, with a mere 60:1 rocket per payload ratio, as well as for > having a nearly 30% inert GLOW to start off with, never the less > somehow that big sucker managed via hocus-pocus smoke and mirrors in > order to so quickly get our rad-hard and electrostatic dust proof > Apollo missions off to such an impressive fly-by-rocket start. > Apparently those brave rad-hard astronauts of ours consumed mass > quantities of beans and subsequently utilized their flatulence for the > necessary 4th stage thrusting, as well as for getting safely back > home. If that's not fully ITAR rated, then perhaps nothing is.
> Why don't you try posting the all-inclusive hard facts about such > those impressive fly-by-rocket specs of that nifty Saturn V, and show > us how those ITAR rated Jewish Third Reich laws of physics are simply > way superior to anything else on Earth, even still as of today being > at least twice if not nearly three fold better. > - Brad Guth
Apparently those hocus-pocus conditional laws of Yiddish physics and of their otherwise accommodating as much evidence exclusion as possible, are still fully in charge of this topic's private parts.
A nearly 30% inert GLOW, having a mere 60:1 ratio of rocket per payload that supposedly accomplished our moon isn't the least bit of any fly-by-rocket problem for this Yiddish group of Usenet rusemasters.
Is it possible that our best physics and science has actually become that disfunctional? - Brad Guth
> Well, consider this: whatever your Day Job is, I presume you think > that it has at least *some* value to society. Do you do it "just > because?" Or do you like being able to pay your rent/mortgage, food > bills, gas money, etc.?
<scottlowt...@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote: >Well, consider this: whatever your Day Job is, I presume you think that >it has at least *some* value to society.
...Well, if Chumpko believes giving hand jobs to homeless guys for free is benefitting society, more power to him, I guess.
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>> Well, consider this: whatever your Day Job is, I presume you think >> that it has at least *some* value to society. Do you do it "just >> because?" Or do you like being able to pay your rent/mortgage, food >> bills, gas money, etc.?
> Cat food, cat toys... :-D
\Move out to the country. Snakes, grasshoppers and mice serve admirably as both.
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> \Move out to the country. Snakes, grasshoppers and mice serve > admirably as both.
It's got its downside; my friend's farm had a free-range feral cat population on it that averaged around seven to twelve in number at any given time. And then came the day when his dad got attacked by the rabid cat which tried to tear his face off while he was up on a ladder. Feral cat population got reduced to zero very shortly after that via firearms.
> It's got its downside; my friend's farm had a free-range feral cat > population on it that averaged around seven to twelve in number at any > given time. > And then came the day when his dad got attacked by the rabid cat which > tried to tear his face off while he was up on a ladder. > Feral cat population got reduced to zero very shortly after that via > firearms.
Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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> Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only > way to be sure.
Good sized farm; tracking them all down must have been tough. It probably got the rabies from a skunk; they are major carriers of it, and quite common around here.
> Just got off the phone with the Export Control compliance guy from > GD/NASA-KSC. There is *not* an ITAR issue with the stuff I've listed on my > website
> He also pointed out that GD is *not* trying to censor Saturn V stuff. > Whoever did that previously, it is NOT General Dynamics.
Amen, Glory to GD in the highest, and on earth, Peace.
<scottlowt...@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote: > Eric Chomko wrote: > >Sure his prices are reasonable and I meant this more as a friendly jab > >than a serious post. But there is such stuff as volunteering and doing > >something for free just because.
> Well, consider this: whatever your Day Job is, I presume you think that > it has at least *some* value to society. Do you do it "just because?" Or > do you like being able to pay your rent/mortgage, food bills, gas money, > etc.?
You putting infor on a CD or DVD is not your day job. Right?
> No matter what any person does for a living, there are reasonable > chances that the people who pay for that service could do it themselves. > Plumbers, electricians, to a degree doctors and dentists, bankers, you > name it. But people are willing to pay some amount for the *convenience* > of not having to learn how to remove their own impacted wisdom teeth or > fill out their own income tax paperwork.
I agree. I was not implying that you should put stuff on a DVD for free. Only that there are those that do stuff like that for free.
> When I no longer have to worry about money - sure, annnnny day now - > then I'll give serious considerations to dumping everything I've > collected onto DVD's and selling for cost of materials plus postage.
Or hosting it on a website. Like GNU, freeware and the like.
> Ain't there yet. If you want to see that day come, collect for me about > $2,000,000. I figure one million reasonably invested would let me be set > for life... and since Uncle Sam taxes half of everything away, you need > to double it. So... pony up! Think of it as an investment in the future. > For The Children.
Sorry, I don't care about space drawings that much.
On Jul 31, 9:09 pm, OM <om@all_trolls_must_DIE.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:15:03 GMT, Scott Lowther
> <scottlowt...@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote: > >Well, consider this: whatever your Day Job is, I presume you think that > >it has at least *some* value to society.
> ...Well, if Chumpko believes giving hand jobs to homeless guys for > free is benefitting society, more power to him, I guess.
I wondered how you got the stuff for your blog site. Now I know...
Still brown-nosing astronauts for space memorbilia, OM?
Oh, and in case one didn't notice, all the trouble out of NASA seems to be coming from Texas. Imagine that.
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> > Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the > > only way to be sure.
> Good sized farm; tracking them all down must have been tough. > It probably got the rabies from a skunk; they are major carriers of it, and > quite common around here.
Prairie dogs are bad that way, too; back when I was stationed in Albuquerque, they warned us about that.
Darn good eatin', though. Taste like chicken. (grin)
David Smith wrote: > Prairie dogs are bad that way, too; back when I was stationed in > Albuquerque, they warned us about that.
> Darn good eatin', though. Taste like chicken.
We don't have many of them around here; when I was a kid we went to a prairie dog town where they charged admission and gave you food to throw to them. The creatures looked like semi-mobile beanbags from overeating and lethargy. As soon as they stuck their heads out of their burrows, they were half-buried in corn kernels, peanuts, and the occasional candy bar. I assume this was one of the few habitation places for the species where the major cause of mortality was heart attacks, not predation. ;-)
