Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Re: Richard Cook on the American Meltdown

0 views
Skip to first unread message
Message has been deleted

American

unread,
May 1, 2008, 10:56:58 AM5/1/08
to
On Apr 30, 10:53 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
> Richard Cook on the American Meltdown
>
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8854
>
> This certainly puts VSE, ESAS, Constellation, Ares and Orion into a
> much better perspective. Nothing else makes any sense, nobody in their
> right mind would propose this crap as a viable space program.

Thanks, KT, for a great article that addresses many issues.

Here are some highlights of that article that I've commented on:

: Pepys, leaving his gold with the banker, enabled the latter
: to lend it out to a third party. Pepys had his ‘money in the
: bank,’ and the borrower took the gold. The borrower natur-
: ally paid interest on the loan. Pepys received interest on
: his deposit. The same money being (notionally) in the pos-
: session both of Pepys and of the borrower meant an increase
: in the monetary mass of the nation. All the holders of money
: in the nation, therefore, had the value of their holdings
: very slightly diluted. There was a profit to the banker on

The interesting words here are "very slightly diluted". IMO,
it was the "diluter of earnings" whose "monetary mass" was
being inflated towards the second and third borrower(s) of
the 3-party "capitalist" system (i.e., the "sellers",
and "buyers", that became, respectively, the "middle class"
and "lower class", of pure capitalism.

: ‘Smart’ bank financing put him ahead of conventionally
: financed competitors. All three parties gained, at the ex-
: pense of the general public, the value of whose money was
: diluted through inflation of the monetary mass.”

Great observation, however, "smart" only insofar as the
lender's idea that a two-dimensional form of currency should
eternally replace every three- and four-dimensional promise-
market of the faithful's anti-usurer's stock-in-trade.

These salacious acts separate the "head" from the rest of
the body-politic, if the body-politic was supposed to represent
a nation of promise-markets-at-large! In fact, I believe that
whatever that supposedly "top head", in it's perfect world
of unlimited usury, is able to reflect from it's "usurer
head", in terms of its ability (or non-ability) to equally rep-
resent all promise-markets as independent regimes (w.r.t.
each lender's ability to represent the all-markets-move-
forward-with-equal-footing), THEY will find that, because
of the laws of men, or "iron mixed with clay", that THEIR
systems have become polluted with materialism, as the
"ism" will continually reinvent itself in userer contract, esp.
every time the terms of that contract are enforced by the
transnationalist regulators, or the "Fed".

Yet, since Bush's trip to Israel, I am beginning to wonder
if I speak these things in vain to "God and Country" if that
very "God and Country" has become partisan to the very
politics of usury that the founders despised - for it was
BUSH who was given the scroll naming him "Prince of Mishak
and Tubal", referenced as none other than "Gog, Prince of
Persia". (Ezekiel 38)!!!

Will the Almighty divide up America just as America has
divided up the Golan heights????

Man, do we need to pray for revival!


American

BradGuth

unread,
May 1, 2008, 2:20:06 PM5/1/08
to
On Apr 30, 7:53 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
> Richard Cook on the American Meltdown
>
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8854
>
> This certainly puts VSE, ESAS, Constellation, Ares and Orion into a
> much better perspective. Nothing else makes any sense, nobody in their
> right mind would propose this crap as a viable space program.

It's all pretty much another DRAPA conspired ruse/sting, though mostly
this one is upon us village idiots because we've sort of run out of
other nations to pillage and rape, as well as having used up our WMD
card.

Did you ever read "Secrets of the Temple" by William Greider ?
. - Brad Guth

eyeball

unread,
May 1, 2008, 3:32:37 PM5/1/08
to

So get NASA busy mining asteroids! ;)

BradGuth

unread,
May 1, 2008, 6:40:42 PM5/1/08
to

We already have an asteroid of 7.35e22 kg that's parked in a very
close orbit around Earth as is, plus another little one of 99942/
Apophis coming our way, that with any dumb luck might actually stove
itself into Earth, or best that of encountering our moon would be a
whole lot better outcome.

Our unusually surface massive and otherwise surface mascon populated
moon seems to indicate that it either has an extremely low density
core, if not of something a wee bit porous/hollow.

Not so oddly, our massive and physically dark moon, along with it 2e20
N worth of a mutual tidal influence is by far the primary cause of
global warming, at least ever since the last ice-age this 98.5% fluid
Earth w/moon is ever going to see.

Otherwise, our resident wizard Mook as per usual claims to have all
the best answers, and at not 10% the cost that you or I might think
necessary.
. - Brad Guth

American

unread,
May 1, 2008, 8:41:47 PM5/1/08
to

Dang it, Guth, you haven't actually READ the info on Apophis, have
you? Well, I have, and I can tell you that there's little or no chance
that we'll ever see a close encounter, so I'm going ahead and rolling
the dice of .000001% uncertainty, if you don't mind... in the
meantime, nobody on God's green earth is EVER going to be able to stop
global warming - not without stopping the sun itself from blasting us,
and any attempts by governments or collectives to force such an agenda
will do so in complete ignorance of where the REAL solutions lie -
that is, FREE, CLEAN UNLIMITED ENERGY of the "promise market" variety.

Just because YOU think books like "Secrets of the Temple" by William
Greider reveal some kind of masterminded plan to subvert humanity is
no reason to believe that the will of Almighty YHWH will not come to
pass in the time period(s) that were predicted by the ancients - so
why do you continually look at the cup as if it were half empty rather
than half full? Why are you only interested in the moon when the
asteroids offer a much more diversified supply of abundant metals? Why
must you only think in terms of people in wasteland structures who
only take measurements of wastelands?

Jeez, get with the program! Where do the opportunities lie? Can't you
envision things outside that box of seven deadly sins? Try the seven
heavenly virtues: humility, kindness, abstinence, chastity, patience,
liberality, and diligence! Therein you will find the secret of
success in anything you do. The same goes for space exploration.
Rather than envision every opportunity as only being contingent upon
some previously unfruitful mission, examine the possibilities in light
of the technological potential that "out-of-the-box" creativity and
scientific intuition offers to similar-minded types, then start making
contacts and building up databases to support your network. To me,
that seems like the best bet, rather than just sitting, soaking, and
souring with useless exploration!

American

BTW, your "Lord Mook" is one of many that share the ideas of how to
accomplish a worthwhile mission to the asteroids, but I believe that
primary and precious metal mining would have to come first, before a
full scale orbital terraforming operation takes place! The reason for
this would be to provide an equally marketable infrastructure, with
which would come a massive shift to orbital job marketization, with a
massive increase in quality job opportunities.

BradGuth

unread,
May 1, 2008, 10:27:38 PM5/1/08
to

And you know this Apophis sucker isn't going to run into anything
along the way that could possibly modify its trek. I'm impressed as
hell, God.

And your bipolar excuse is ??????

You can't read (except out of context) because ?????

What is it about lord Mook that'll ever benefit other than his
offshore bank accounts? (we're talking fuel/energy, food, housing,
education and medical care)

Can you afford $10/gallon, as well as most everything else inflated?
. - Brad Guth

Martha Adams

unread,
May 2, 2008, 8:42:25 AM5/2/08
to

"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:78b640ca-f453-4e52...@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> On May 1, 5:41 pm, American <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On May 1, 6:40 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

<big snip>

> What is it about lord Mook that'll ever benefit other than his

> . - Brad Guth

Here's Brad Guth -- again -- and I'm impressed with his
capacity for missing the mark by way of large excursions
into florid but empty text.

First, re "lord Mook...." who speaks from at least two
central strengths:

He knows what he's talking about and he knows the math
to say it simply. (This is really interesting -- I've
been reading about steam turbine nozzles and such, and
it's *relevant*.)

Mookie's math is unusual here. He writes about getting
into space and doing something there. Those who post
here who use no math, just stacks of text; who try to
ridicule someone like Mookie, accomplish nothing and go
nowhere; but only hurt and impede useful discussion.

Shakespeare said it perfectly: "A tale told by an idiot.
Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Further, there's a terribly serious side to this
"American meltdown" idea. Namely, the "meltdown" is
actually happening and it's too easy to see. In brief,
it's *made in Washington*. It's a consequence of people
in Washington who promote faith-based belief and
block reality-based research, in a world that's
moving along rapidly.

China and India and the Pacific Rim peoples are
up-and-coming major world powers because there are
billions of them there vs millions of us over
here. They have got some very ugly governments
there, but they work on reality- not faith-based (i.e.,
ignorance-based) principles. Washington, by
comparison, seems to be a good student of the ugly
but to adhere like religion (ha!) to the faith-based.
It is the recipe that got us to here today, and
it's taking us farther in that direction.

Just ask yourself: how *American* are all these
bush nazis you find around these days in government
buildings and in airports? Really? What do they
contribute, what are they actually doing vs our
growing social issues? Really?

We do have an American strength against World challenge,
if we would use it. It's very accessible: it is
*education and technology*. But the current Washington
policies that retard and (for ideological purposes)
block research, that restrict and curb basic education,
completely kill this strength. In the mean time we are
getting told how this is an urgent problem -- American
meltdown -- while Washington ignores its central part
in making it happen. And *right here*, people like
Guth fill space with their rubbish, encouraging those
with something to say, to go away. As I can see, they
do. *Grump*.

Titeotwawki -- mha [sci.spac.policy 2008 May 02]

OM

unread,
May 2, 2008, 3:35:36 PM5/2/08
to
On Fri, 02 May 2008 12:42:25 GMT, "Martha Adams" <mh...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>And *right here*, people like
>Guth fill space with their rubbish, encouraging those
>with something to say, to go away. As I can see, they
>do. *Grump*.

...Which is why, if we can't have their usenet access permanently
terminated, we have *them* permanently terminated.

OM
--
]=====================================[
] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [
] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [
] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [
]=====================================[

BradGuth

unread,
May 2, 2008, 6:11:42 PM5/2/08
to
On May 2, 5:42 am, "Martha Adams" <mh...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Mook is classical 100% bipolar, which is not saying that his second
hand and otherwise usually third and forth hand expertise of physics
and matters of science isn't interesting and even somewhat
informative, every bit as usable as are the original published books
from which his ideology has been utilizing as his personal
intellectual cache, that is usable information once having weeded out
his ulterior motives and weird all-or-nothing mindset.

What you folks call "rubbish" is simply the cold, hard and easily
enough peer replicated truth, even if it's the hot truths about our
extremely nearby sister planet Venus, or pondering our way through
notions as to whatever's affordably best to do with our moon's L1.

Lord Mook on the other hand is insisting upon spending our hard earned
loot on stuff that for the most part isn't intended to directly
benefit the lower 99.9% of humanity, and in many instances would never
even indirectly benefit those of us that Mook feels are unworthy.

His bipolar stance that he supposedly needs no public funding, and yet
Mook can.t seem to make a move without first getting substantial
public benefits in exchange for his services, is exactly the kind of
proof-positive as to how extensive his bipolar disorder actually is.

I happen to fully agree that our national policy of having been
blocking research and/or going out of their insider way as for
stalking, bashing and/or banishing those involved with such
independent R&D, is the best of reasons as to why the likes of the
Mook 'New World Order' isn't taking place soon enough to please good
old William.
. - Brad Guth

BradGuth

unread,
May 2, 2008, 6:25:59 PM5/2/08
to
On May 2, 12:35 pm, OM <om@all_trolls_must_DIE.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 02 May 2008 12:42:25 GMT, "Martha Adams" <mh...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >And *right here*, people like
> >Guth fill space with their rubbish, encouraging those
> >with something to say, to go away. As I can see, they
> >do. *Grump*.
>
> ...Which is why, if we can't have their usenet access permanently
> terminated, we have *them* permanently terminated.
>
> OM
> --
> ]=====================================[
> ] OMBlog -http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [

> ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [
> ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [
> ]=====================================[

Perhaps if it weren't for the trillions upon trillions and decades
blown on the sorts of our mutually perpetrated cold-wars, and having
sustained the status quo of those in charge having told such lies upon
lies at all cost and w/o remorse, as supported via the likes of brown-
nosed minions like Mook willing to cover as many government, corporate
and faith-based butts as possible, as seen fit and w/o regard of
consequences by the Semitic mindset of William Mook, in which case
there's a darn good chance you'd still have both legs and ten fold as
much of your hard earned loot in the bank to boot.
. - Brad Guth

Leopold Stotch

unread,
May 3, 2008, 3:54:20 PM5/3/08
to
Jeez, you people are a bunch of kooks. Get back on your meds.


V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 3, 2008, 6:36:49 PM5/3/08
to

"Leopold Stotch" <but...@southpark.org> wrote

> Jeez, you people are a bunch of kooks. Get back on your meds.

Uncle Sam barely has enough energy left to scratch at the lid of his
coffen

We are burrying it.

BradGuth

unread,
May 3, 2008, 8:24:07 PM5/3/08
to
On May 3, 12:54 pm, Leopold Stotch <butt...@southpark.org> wrote:
> Jeez, you people are a bunch of kooks. Get back on your meds.

You mean truth-serum (aka sodium thiopental) ?

Or did you mean whatever waterboarding can force us to think exactly
like all the other brown-nosed Borgs of your Semitic Third Reich?
. - Brad Guth

American

unread,
May 4, 2008, 2:24:18 PM5/4/08
to
On May 3, 3:54 pm, Leopold Stotch <butt...@southpark.org> wrote:
> Jeez, you people are a bunch of kooks.  Get back on your meds.

There can be no sympathy with your unremarkable knowledge, therefore
there is no communication. Affinity, reality, and communication must
work together. Most all of the usuristic money changers today are the
violent ones. All of their breaks with the so-called "mundane
affinities" that individuals share reveals their own attachment to the
world of "golden calves", because they have either (1) Refused to
experience anything, or (2) Refused to cause things and/or events
which others are able to experience easily. They have become idols
unto themselves, therefore they have already been given over to a
reprobate mind.

Why is it that many or all people should agree to be stupid in their
mysterious disconnection when they are not communicating to each
other? People like "Mook" will probably continually self-process and/
or audit his own presentation of some factual scientific evidence that
already exists, simply because it DOES, and then proceed to postulate
on the ONLY the positive aspects of his constructions, when there are
most certainly BOUND to be some very collateral effects that he simply
dismisses as "irrelevant".

The title of this blog is "Richard Cook on the American Meltdown". The
title, in and of itself, is a clue to the victim-ologies being pursued
by what I feel, is a majority of the "unscientific" populus-at-large.
Since this is a political forum, I am under the impression that
whoever must feel quite comfortable in their own box of maintaining
the "status quo" at all costs must either (1) have an unlimited supply
of "friends in the business" that they must consult from time to time,
in order to "ward off" anything they perceive as a threat to their
survival, and/or (2), be continuously on the prowl of anything that is
on/in/ or above the earth that would threaten their control of a
future "prison planet", where most or all humanoid lifeforms should be
made incapable of having any dominion whatsoever with private property
ownership, or the exercise of the "free gift".

How often does the rights of ownership to these "free dominions"
overlap with the bureaucracy or the state is at issue with the rights
of "private citizens" or "sovereigns" - even the definition of what is
"private" and "sovereign", so where does the average American draw the
line? Is it at some defined "border" of a land, where titles and deeds
are issued to the "owners" of the property? Is there some defining
mechanism for judging what the value of a "property" is outside of its
being just another order of "convenience" in proximity to a major
business center, or industrial complex?

It has been mis-postulated by myself and others that the train of
thought being pursued here is the TRAIN ITSELF, as the "bringer of
hope and salvation" to the unconscious or unknowledgeable masses,
when it is rather the opportunity for developing many trains of
interlinking thought processes simultaneously, that are able to form
the basis for developing a coherent move into the land of the giants,
(wherever that might be). - That is the "unction" in "function" that
many who come here have been able to form coherently.

American

V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 4, 2008, 2:39:07 PM5/4/08
to

"American" <samuel...@comcast.net> wrote many words that are completly
content free.

And that is why Uncle Sam lies dead in his grave, being burried by the rest
of the world.

American

unread,
May 4, 2008, 3:17:23 PM5/4/08
to
On May 4, 2:39 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
: "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote many words that are
: completly content free.
:
Wrong - the lying tongue is the basis for your own disbelief.
:
: And that is why Uncle Sam lies dead in his grave, being burried by

: the rest of the world.
:
Apparently you do not see solutions amidst the snares of
transnationalism(s), so you suppose that your forethought - "Uncle Sam
lies dead in his grave", means that your own future does not. You are
an invalidator, plain and simple.

Yet I can see something in the point of "Uncle Sam", being hamstrung
energy-wise, esp. when environmentalism is at a bureaucratic all time
high - so let me tell you this: IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY
CLEAN AND SIMULTANEOUSLY RICH, but not nearly in the WAY that the
transnationalists, aka "New World Order" ARE PURPOSELY AVOIDING THEIR
OWN DEFINITION OF.

THEY ARE ARE ALREADY DEAD IN THEIR OWN SPIRIT.

American

American

V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 4, 2008, 3:27:33 PM5/4/08
to

"American" <samuel...@comcast.net> wrote Much emotion but no content.

American

unread,
May 4, 2008, 3:56:58 PM5/4/08
to
On May 4, 3:27 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote Much emotion but no content.

<no reaction>

-

American

unread,
May 4, 2008, 5:22:47 PM5/4/08
to

It is the "American meltdown" that has to happen, but to what extent,
I cannot tell just yet, however, I'm rather optimistic with regards to
those who are "saved" as opposed to those who are "not saved". Am I a
religious bigot because of my beliefs? Only time will tell.

"You are alone and it is futile to resist" is ALWAYS promoted by the
police state, the ECONOMIC PARASITE in authority, and any "ISM" that
wishes to oppress a people. Yet it's the creative environment that
exists for the propagation of IDEAS, especially REVOLUTIONARY ONES,
that exist in a transitory government, that will always lead to our
energy independence, but not without a great cost to its citizens.

Yet the process of people to come together for mutual defense is
GREATLY FEARED by the ECONOMIC TYRANT for with MANY EYES and MANY
HANDS the capability to protect one's "energy property" possible.

When the "king" sends out the "property collectors" the word goes out
to counter the threat. This type of containment was successful in the
1700's. The controlled media's job is to villify and attack true
Christanity in whatever form, as that media is owned by the same
economic tyrants that manipulates and sends out the "police" in
whatever form. The Mormon compound outside of Laredo, Texas is one
example.

The good thing is that people are looking past the propaganda showing
that they see the strings attached to the meat puppets of the media
that do not have, nor have much ever had, the interests of a God-
fearing people at heart. With each day another group of people,
outside of the U.S. media mouthpiece, realizes the threat to their
future.

Love doesn't work in politics. Only hate - guilt by associational
reality. The invasion of the Mormon compound outside of Laredo, Texas,
was yet a model system of control by the state to seize property
against the will of a people who wished to remain separated from the
government. "Mormons" were not a viable political force, therefore the
Laredo ranch - is only a microcosm of inconsequential proportion, to
the collateral damage that will be caused by the great American energy
sell-off by the transnationalists. Hitler's back - he's only wearing a
head scarf!

The denigration of any faith focuses on certain aspects of someone's
faith that becomes a lifestyle, rather than what the state wants to
force a "religion" to be, and that is supposed to be a much less
"threat" with a "religion" that only meets on Sunday! Take this
"religion" as a metaphor of "energy independence", and one can very
easily visualize what these NWO transnationalists really have at
stake. "Free energy" is thus against the religion of the state, if the
"religion of the state" is to make a profit off of those who are in
the process of becoming TOTALLY DEPENDENT on the international energy
cartels.

One willingly turns their back on their own humanity when they turn to
government as the only power that cannot respect some "religious"
order. - That is the spirit of "religion" that most today who have
PAC'd themselves with the transnationalist-NWO-powers that be have
found themselves in, because the SAME SPIRIT that inhabited the golden
calf of the Israelites in the wilderness, makes the "wilderness" all
that more encompassing to most Americans, who have failed to recognize
that the mountain of their opposition lies with the politics of energy
tyranny, rather than energy independence.

American

V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 4, 2008, 6:35:58 PM5/4/08
to

> "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote Much emotion but no content.


"American" <samuel...@comcast.net> wrote
<no reaction>

I have no reaction to nothingness.


V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 4, 2008, 6:58:49 PM5/4/08
to

"American" <samuel...@comcast.net> wrote Still nothing.


American

unread,
May 4, 2008, 7:48:31 PM5/4/08
to
On May 4, 6:58 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote Still nothing.

________________ _______________
/ \ / / \ \
/ / \ \ \ | - - \
| | | / - \ |
/ / \ \
| ___\ \| | / / \____________ \
\
| / | | \
|
| | __ | | \
\
/ | \ | | \
|
| | \ | | ==== |
|
| | __ | | (o-) _ |
|
| __\ (_o) | / \ |
|
| | | Heh Heh Heh / ) ) |
|
\ || \ / Huh Huh Huh / ) / |
|
| |__ \ / \ |___ - |
|
| | (*___\ / \ *' |
|
| | _ | / \ |____ |
|
| | //_______| ####\ |
|
| / |_|_|_|___/\ ------ |
_/
\| \ - | | |
| _----_______/ \_____ |
| / \ |
|_____/

V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 4, 2008, 8:23:28 PM5/4/08
to
Two of Contemporary AmeriKKKa's intellectual hero's.


American

unread,
May 4, 2008, 9:34:25 PM5/4/08
to
On May 4, 8:23 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"

<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> Two of Contemporary AmeriKKKa's intellectual hero's.

...There's your huckleberry

-

V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 4, 2008, 11:57:32 PM5/4/08
to

"American" <samuel...@comcast.net> wrote
> There's your huckleberry

Content free. As always.


American

unread,
May 5, 2008, 10:25:30 AM5/5/08
to
On May 4, 11:57 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote

>
> > There's your huckleberry
>
>   Content free.  As always.

Are you a parrot?

Or do you scud memos like vomit?

-

American

unread,
May 5, 2008, 11:50:20 AM5/5/08
to

Creative science cannot do without obsessive "gadgeteering". I'm
looking at the tendency of administrations to "shut out" certain
creative engineering with procedural practices. The "tools" for
implementation that a government needs must at first be forseeable in
the short term, as it has been mostly the "short term" that aid to
civilians in the private sector will be made in the form of tax
rebates, incentives, personal loans, and grants. These are the
extensions of "seed markets" that should best help to improve the
welfare of most or all mankind in terms of the development of
benefiting off-planet resource development.

A correct placing of civil servants into a highly organized structure
would bring in a good many questions of academic status. There would
have to be the power of inspection of mining facilities and follow-up
in licensing those facilities for production. If a government does not
have these powers of action, and only gets "advice" from private
enterprise, and never makes routine "checks" at the point of action,
then government(s) of this type will be useless "pork", and will
inevitably fade away into "happenstance" activities.

Military objectives in these areas have been quite successful, since
they tend to be a lot more precise in their outcomes, as opposed to
"benevolent" objectives. It is a fable that today, science can
flourish in the "free air". The evidence today is that only medical
and military science are able to accelerate technology into action at
a much quicker pace than non-military science.

Medical research in the United States seems to operate at a higher
level than military research, if efficiency is a virtue. Medical
research, as a government organ, acts not as a controlling force, but
as an impresario to the needs of more aging Americans than this
country has ever before witnessed. For certain people who can afford
the price, a serum can be developed that can enhance their overall
longevity into the hundreds of years! But an awful lot of life doesn't
consist either of trying to accelerate people's deaths or alternately
to delay them - unless a benevolent research of some sort can get
started that could act as a "springboard" for further investigation by
private enterprise.

The status of a "gadgeteer" scientist today has been eclipsed by
statesmen. Certain of these people wish no benevolence on "gadgeteers"
other than keeping them in their "place" as invalidated and over-
monitored pawns of high-powered lawyers and politicians. The danger in
all this is that there is a particular group of these people that have
been the LARGER WITNESS TO A COMPLETELY SHRUGGED OFF SENSE OF FUTURE
FOR THE MAJORITY OF HUMANITY. THEY ALONE HAVE FOSTERED THE EXISTENTIAL
SOCIETY, IN THE SAME WORLD AS THE GADGETEERED, FUTURE-DIRECTED
SOCIETY! This is the nature of the double-speak that politics has
found itself RIFE with. The problem here is that scientists should be
active in ALL LEVELS of government, not just in just within the
incidental offices of legalistic paper-shufflers or media spin-
machines.

I has definitely become the prevailing attitude that scientists (i.e.,
gadgeteers) have something to give an existential society suffering
from "hope starvation", and that is foresight. It is the property of
this foresight that the subject is moving in time - the same way that
our institutions of higher learning should be geared - and not with
the art of some youthful and care-free administration prone to
innuendo and media rhetoric.

American

BradGuth

unread,
May 5, 2008, 6:02:18 PM5/5/08
to
On Apr 30, 7:53 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
> Richard Cook on the American Meltdown
>
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8854
>
> This certainly puts VSE, ESAS, Constellation, Ares and Orion into a
> much better perspective. Nothing else makes any sense, nobody in their
> right mind would propose this crap as a viable space program.

Ever take notice as to how the topic creator "kT" has never once
returned to his/her own topic.

Isn't this a wee bit spook/mole worthy?
. - Brad Guth

American

unread,
May 5, 2008, 8:42:12 PM5/5/08
to

That is a trick question. I can't really say that there would
necessarily "be" a spook/mole worthiness on his part, since he (KT)
was the one who pointed the topic of "Richard Cook on the American
Meltdown" out in the first place. IMO it's rare these days that
someone in the very center or "eye of the storm" gets to examine the
thoughts and intentions of people (esp. Wall Street) who have become
immersed in their own system of usury, at the expense of those who
would believe the lies being perpetrated by those interested in
controlling the markets, i.e. Warren Buffet in the silvers market
scandal, or the Fed continuing to encourage credit growth at the
expense of mortgage industry takeovers by insolvent lending
institutions (Bear Stearns).

What we've been witnesing is the decline of American capitalism, at
the behest of the rise of global markets, all being accomplished for
the NWO's purpose of world market control, instead of free market
prosperity. IMO, it could be a giant sucker punch to those that get
too close to those that have the power to print money in ever-more-
crucial times of actually controlling who the victims to this giant
ruse/sting might be - perhaps the devil in disguise?

Thus there are methodologies being employed here that most don't
always seem to understand but will always attempt to put the blame, as
long as they get to "feel" like they were actively involved.

American

V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 5, 2008, 11:07:21 PM5/5/08
to

"American" <samuel...@comcast.net> wrote

> Are you a parrot? Or do you scud memos like vomit?

Meaningless as always.


V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 5, 2008, 11:09:20 PM5/5/08
to

"American" <samuel...@comcast.net> wrotet

> I has definitely become the prevailing attitude that scientists (i.e.,
> gadgeteers) have something to give an existential society suffering
> from "hope starvation", and that is foresight.

Many words, no meaning.

American

unread,
May 6, 2008, 8:46:03 AM5/6/08
to
On May 5, 11:09 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrotet

Again, you're parroting accusations. Apparently, you do not know or do
not realize that things such as technological know-how can provide
solutions for things like improved transportation, availability of
natural resources, and improved life expectancy. You do not, because
you're too involved parroting accusations like some know-it-all, when
you haven't offered a shread of evidence otherwise. Stop making
remarks if you don't back them up with something credible - like an
idea, or a celestial study, or a positive attitude.

Please do not post again unless you have something interesting to
contribute, and if you can't think of anything, then tell us what your
opinion, reaction, disposition, feeling, or whatever professional
digression that you can think of, about someone else's rant that will
be most useful to the group as a whole!

Most or all of the posters here are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE laying down any
kind of posting etiquette without first understanding it themselves,
and I'll be the first to admit that my sentence structure is not
always that great. However, I WILL try to be more careful in
presenting my ideas by being a good listener and taking more baby
steps if I have to.

American

BradGuth

unread,
May 6, 2008, 9:48:53 AM5/6/08
to

The 'new world order' has that dumbfounding affect, much like the
affect Hitler and his Jewish minions or Zionist puppeteers had on far
too many of us, not to mention our mutually perpetrated cold-war that
took away those decades and trillions upon trillions of our hard
earned loot. Add our bogus war in Iraq that's also costing us
trillions and then do the math on a global basis of what this New
World Order of fossil energy cost is really costing us.

The last 60 years of seeing a 32:1 or 3200% inflation of fossil fuel
energy cost is just the badly melting iceberg tip of our AGW fiasco,
as though planned all along.

Notice how the rich and powerful are not into saying bad things about
their inflated cost of fossil energy, or of most all else that
unavoidably inflates.
. - Brad Guth

V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 6, 2008, 4:50:09 PM5/6/08
to

"American" <samuel...@comcast.net> wrote
Many hollow words, summing to nothing.


American

unread,
May 6, 2008, 10:05:11 PM5/6/08
to
> . - Brad Guth- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

We're becoming a "banana republic" that inevitably, will have to offer
most of us a "free enterprise savior", at the expense of our very
soul. That's what was predicted by the ancients. It's like these
forces of darkness and wickedness have been here all along.

Same 2000 year-old case scenario, just different people filling the
suits. We even already know the outcome! The "scroll" that was
presented to Bush was no joke - and the Prince of Meshach and Tubal is
"Gog", of the "Gog and Magog" variety.

That's why this whole thing is going down on the west - most Americans
are too, as you say, "snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no
return" to have followed it to the outcome - you will have to pledge
your alliegence to the new powers that be, or you will suffer the
economic consequences of not being a part of the "system". The window
of opportunity is slowly shrinking.

American

eyeball

unread,
May 7, 2008, 7:38:04 PM5/7/08
to
On May 4, 8:23 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> Two of Contemporary AmeriKKKa's intellectual hero's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/herkengineer/RootAmerica.jpg

BradGuth

unread,
May 7, 2008, 9:18:51 PM5/7/08
to

Since WWII, at least our DARPA is from the dark side that previously
made their Hitler so good at his quest of global domination. If it
weren't for them pesky Russians, we'd either be dead or speaking
German and likely Jewish to boot.

>
> Same 2000 year-old case scenario, just different people filling the
> suits. We even already know the outcome! The "scroll" that was
> presented to Bush was no joke - and the Prince of Meshach and Tubal is
> "Gog", of the "Gog and Magog" variety.
>
> That's why this whole thing is going down on the west - most Americans
> are too, as you say, "snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no
> return" to have followed it to the outcome - you will have to pledge
> your alliegence to the new powers that be, or you will suffer the
> economic consequences of not being a part of the "system". The window
> of opportunity is slowly shrinking.
>
> American

I can totally relate to that perfectly deductive way of looking at our
ongoing demise into becoming the born-again New World Order.
Surviving WWIII may therefore become our next agenda, all because
there are limits to global starvation and pillaging before the middle
class poor and starving have nothing further to lose. OBL may have
been right.
. - Brad Guth

V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 7, 2008, 9:36:36 PM5/7/08
to

trigonometry1972@gmail.com |

unread,
May 10, 2008, 8:35:23 AM5/10/08
to
American, you really are too long winded.

American

unread,
May 10, 2008, 8:59:21 AM5/10/08
to
On May 10, 8:35 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"

<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> American, you really are too long winded.

Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.

(Psalm 150:6)

What's your excuse? Pneumonia?

-

V-for-Vendicar

unread,
May 11, 2008, 2:09:41 AM5/11/08
to

"American" <samuel...@comcast.net> wrote

> Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.

God is dead.


simple_...@yahoo.com

unread,
May 11, 2008, 6:41:46 AM5/11/08
to
Do not feed the Muslim troll. The troll (Faris Jawad) emigrated from
southern India to Hamilton, Canada, where he makes a living as a
computer programmer. The troll uses many names including: Ramabriga,
Cosmic programmer, uNmaiviLambi, visual...@yahoo.com, LeBlanc,
Islamaphobia, Yaako Warrior, global...@yahoo.ca,
whiley...@live.ca, LuChuck, Matt, jamiil, Anti-Muslim Bigots, V-
for-Vendicar, fruitella, Zionism equal Racism, The Chemical Oil Nazi,
LORD RAMA RANTER, Muslim With Mission, Wayne, Ian Balchin, Qahir Al-
Ashrar, Venkataraman the Biiiig Hindu, Liu Yan, ISLAMOPHOBIA, Möbius
Pretzel, Buddy III, Mujahid, V i v a P a l e s t i n e!, Burhan, Farid
Ahmed, Kope, Death to Israel..Israel has no Right to Exist, Franko
Pizza, rick murphy, rich murphy, ISLAM - THE SOLUTION OF MODERN
PROBLEMS, Faris Jawad, Sabastawi, The Founding Church, Ilan Ramon:
Kike Lost in Space. Proudly serving Islam and al Quds, Katrina, Ahura
Mazda, TROLLS HUNTER, Kayid Al-Kuffar, Firnando, R Geovani, Blondes
Gaulloises, Zimbawi, Muslims Always Victorious, Islam Will Replace
Collapsing Amerikan Empire, Muslims Are Good Folks, Katucha, katucha
is the zionists worst nightmare, We are Muslims, and we are extremely
proud of it, Born To Serve Islam, All praise is due to Allah Lord of
the Worlds, the Owner of all of the creation, Ardalan Keykavoussi,
Tommy Davis, LORD RAMA. (The 19 terrorists who attacked our nation on
September 11, 2001 used a total of 364 aliases.)

Islam broke world records of genocide, slavery, religiously sanctioned
rape, abuse of human rights, and prohibition of scientific inquiry. It
forbids Muslim emigration to the lands of the infidels because a
Muslim minority cannot enslave the infidel majority. Despite this
prohibition Muslims emigrate to the West, not as migrants, but as
conquerors. They live in sharia mini-states and expand these mini-
states by terrorizing infidel neighbors and driving them out. Arabic
proverb says "first comes Saturday, then Sunday." It means that Arabs
are going to exterminate Jews before they exterminate Christians. It
also means that Israel is the first line of defense against Islam.

“I have been made victorious with terror.” - Muhammad (according to
Sahih Bukhari)

Europe’s Muslim population is set to increase from around 13% today to
between 22% and 37% of the population by 2025. source:
http://news.scotsman.com/europeanunion/CIA-gives-grim-warning-on.2595505.jp

The average European couple now has fewer than 1.4 babies, compared to
3.6 babies born to the average Muslim immigrant couple in Europe.
Across Western Europe 16 to 20 percent of babies are being born into
Muslim families… By 2025, one-third of all European children will be
born to Muslims… In Italy, 95% of all rapists are Muslims. Eighty-five
percent of all murderers are Muslims… France will have a Muslim
majority in less than 25 years! Another telling statistic is that
although the Muslims are 12% of France's population, 70 percent of a
total of 60,775 prisoners in France are Muslims! All of France's urban
suburbs are being roamed by Muslim black African or Arabic gangs… A
very high proportion of French Muslims are in the underclass, that
segment of the population that relies not so much on education and
work as on welfare and predatory activities. In fact, over one
thousand Muslim neighborhoods are under monitoring throughout France.
Seven hundred of those Muslim neighborhoods are listed as "violent"
and nearly 400 hundred are listed as "very violent." Violence ranges
from rape (95% of rapists are Muslim), murder (85% of murderers are
Muslim), theft and looting of cars (58% committed by Muslims) and
street fighting to assault on teachers and civil servants… source:
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

"There does not exist an identifiable body of Muslims, substantive in
number or an outright majority, who could be described as "moderate"
by their repudiation of Muslim extremists. Violence has been an
integral part of Muslim history, irrespective of whether it is
sanctioned by Islam, and Muslims who unhesitatingly use violence to
advance their political ambitions have created a climate within their
faith culture that any Muslim who questions such practice is then
deemed apostate and subject to harm. Consequently, what might pass for
"moderate" Muslims, the large number of Muslims unaccounted for as to
what they think, in practical terms constitute a forest within which
extremists are incubated, nurtured, given ideological and material
support, and to which they return for sanctuary." - Salim Mansur

Revision

unread,
May 22, 2008, 3:59:06 AM5/22/08
to
The error here is that, since you don't know how the financial system works,
you transfer the ignorance by saying that the public is snookered and
dumbfounded.

I cruise the youtube crap and it is completely ignorant.

Money comes from bank lending and its value is backed by the financial
efforts of the govt, companies, and individuals to repay the loans. The
excess availability of credit has adverse consequences, and a gold standard
has some advantages. When functioning properly the banking and financial
system provides funds where funds are needed.


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

BradGuth

unread,
May 22, 2008, 2:08:07 PM5/22/08
to
On May 10, 11:09 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote

>
> > Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.
>
> God is dead.

If not dead, should be. Perhaps those Zionist DARPA folks need to get
another Christ put on a stick. I'd certainly be impressed.

Where's a smart ET, that'll kick serious butt, when you need one?
. - Brad Guth

BradGuth

unread,
May 22, 2008, 2:14:51 PM5/22/08
to

Bank loot comes from the Rothschild Federal Reserve, when and if they
chose to lend it, and at whatever cost only they elect to make policy.

99.9% of Americans are getting tapped out, or well enough beyond the
point of no return. Even the well to do are screwed if one month goes
past without public loot flowing into their offshore bank accounts.
In Rothschild terms of endearment, It's called the trickle up theory.
. - Brad Guth

American

unread,
May 23, 2008, 8:29:24 PM5/23/08
to

A resurrected "Chosen One" might be the ET you're looking for. My
advice is not to wait for anyone human and/or devolved (Annunaki,
Nephilim, etc), (by then it'd be a little to late)

-

0 new messages