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Allen Thomson  
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 More options Oct 12 2000, 3:00 am
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From: Allen Thomson <thoms...@flash.net>
Date: 2000/10/12
Subject: LES-8/9 : semistealthy?

I recently came across the following, which is found on p.30 of
"Semi Annual History of the Directorate of Space, Period of 1
January 1971 - 30 June 1971"  The paragraph, originally classified
SECRET, was declassified on 10 March 1996.  According to a
correspondent who, to my amazement, knows about such stuff, the DoS
was a component of the office of the USAF Deputy Chief of Staff for
Development (also known as DCS/D and later DSC/R&D),  who  was the
Air Staff officer in charge of advanced development in the Pentagon.

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"The MIT Lincoln Laboratory is involved in a program to demonstrate
the technology necessary to deploy a highly survivable satellite
communication system for command and control of the SIOP forces.
The effort is based upon the use of two satellites (LES-8 and LES-9)
carefully designed (both electronically and physically) so that
detection of the satellite presence is extremely difficult.  The
satellites would use satellite-to-satellite communications links
and would permit two way communications between aircraft and surface
forces on a global basis.  The anticipated launch of LES-8/9 is
in September 1974."

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"So that detection of the satellite presence is extremely difficult"
is consistent with a rumor I'd heard earlier, that one of the two
LESes was equipped with a plane mirror intended to send the line of
sight of a terrestrial observer out into starry space.

It also represents the fifth or sixth confirmed or reasonably
believable report of low-observable satellite studies, technology
development efforts or actual programs stretching from the early
1960's to ca. 1990.

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Steven James Forsberg  
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 More options Oct 13 2000, 12:56 am
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From: sjfor...@Bayou.UH.EDU (Steven James Forsberg)
Date: 13 Oct 2000 04:55:56 GMT
Local: Fri, Oct 13 2000 12:55 am
Subject: Re: LES-8/9 : semistealthy?
: I recently came across the following, which is found on p.30 of
: "Semi Annual History of the Directorate of Space, Period of 1
: January 1971 - 30 June 1971"  The paragraph, originally classified
: SECRET, was declassified on 10 March 1996.  According to a
: correspondent who, to my amazement, knows about such stuff, the DoS
: was a component of the office of the USAF Deputy Chief of Staff for
: Development (also known as DCS/D and later DSC/R&D),  who  was the
: Air Staff officer in charge of advanced development in the Pentagon.

: "So that detection of the satellite presence is extremely difficult"
: is consistent with a rumor I'd heard earlier, that one of the two
: LESes was equipped with a plane mirror intended to send the line of
: sight of a terrestrial observer out into starry space.

: It also represents the fifth or sixth confirmed or reasonably
: believable report of low-observable satellite studies, technology
: development efforts or actual programs stretching from the early
: 1960's to ca. 1990.

        Were you familiar with some of the patent history? IIRC
about 1971 was the filing datae for #6,107,952 titled "Crossed Skirt
AntiRadar Screen Structure for Space Vehicles". I don't recall the
inventor bu the assignee, according to my notes, is TRW. In the late
60s there were two systems patented that used "a plurality of
overlapping biconvex lenses", one of them was inflatable. There were
a couple of other patents cited, but I didn't look at them.

regards,

------------------------------------------
sjfor...@bayou.uh.edu     wizard 87-01

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Allen Thomson  
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 More options Oct 13 2000, 3:00 am
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From: Allen Thomson <thoms...@flash.net>
Date: 2000/10/13
Subject: Re: LES-8/9 : semistealthy?

Dr. Keel of the University of Alabama sent me this interesting note in
response to the LES-8/9 post.  As his current Usenet access seems to
be read-only, I'm posting the note for him, with his permission.

--------------------------

This may tie into a story circulating in the astronomical community
about the time I started grad school (1978), that the DoD had
commissioned some astronomers (I seem to recall Texas, maybe
Arizona) to take money to assist in developing cameras (this was
pre-CCD) with the only string attached being that they had to use
them a few times in trying to detect orbiting objects at supplied
positions. The rumor was that the DoD was pleased with the results.
Somehow I got the impression that low-observability measures
included very elongated satellites in nice radial gravity-gradient
orientations for minimal cross-section when closest, high
parking orbits when not in intense use, and very dark
surface colors (speculation at one point was that they were
not only dark but had the residual colors of red dwarf stars).

Runor, urban legend, garbled information...

Regards,

Bill Keel
Astronomy, University of Alabama

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Allen Thomson  
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 More options Oct 13 2000, 3:00 am
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From: Allen Thomson <thoms...@flash.net>
Date: 2000/10/13
Subject: Re: LES-8/9 : semistealthy?
In article <8s64ks$5h...@Masala.CC.UH.EDU>,

  sjfor...@Bayou.UH.EDU (Steven James Forsberg) wrote:

> : It also represents the fifth or sixth confirmed or reasonably
> : believable report of low-observable satellite studies, technology
> : development efforts or actual programs stretching from the early
> : 1960's to ca. 1990.
>    Were you familiar with some of the patent history? IIRC
> about 1971 was the filing datae for #6,107,952 titled "Crossed Skirt
> AntiRadar Screen Structure for Space Vehicles". I don't recall the
> inventor bu the assignee, according to my notes, is TRW. In the late
> 60s there were two systems patented that used "a plurality of
> overlapping biconvex lenses", one of them was inflatable. There were
> a couple of other patents cited, but I didn't look at them.

I'd known about 5,345,238
(http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US05345238__ )
from 1990, but the ones you cite are new to me. Thanks much.

If you could find the patent numbers for the biconvex ones, I'd
appreciate it, as I couldn't locate them in a patent search.

(The antiradar screen is admirably UFO-like in appearance.  ;-) )

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 More options Oct 15 2000, 3:00 am
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From: Allen Thomson <thoms...@flash.net>
Date: 2000/10/15
Subject: Stealth patent (Was:LES-8/9 : semistealthy?)
In article <8s64ks$5h...@Masala.CC.UH.EDU>,
  sjfor...@Bayou.UH.EDU (Steven James Forsberg) wrote:

>    Were you familiar with some of the patent history? IIRC
> about 1971 was the filing datae for #6,107,952 titled "Crossed Skirt
> AntiRadar Screen Structure for Space Vehicles". I don't recall the
> inventor bu the assignee, according to my notes, is TRW. In the late
> 60s there were two systems patented that used "a plurality of
> overlapping biconvex lenses", one of them was inflatable. There were
> a couple of other patents cited, but I didn't look at them.

Looking around a bit more, I found what appears to be a reissue of
LockMart's basic patent on the HAVE BLUE/F-117 stealth technology,
#5,250,950:
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=USRE036298__ .

The figures and much of the discussion use HAVE BLUE or something a lot
like it as an illustration of the stealth design approach.
Interestingly, though, both the original patent and the reissue start
out with, "A vehicle in free space or air, with external surfaces
primarily fashioned from planar facets."

But, if you look at #5,250,950, only aircraft-like applications were
described.  Those remain in the reissue, but a good many paragraphs
describing general applications have been added. These would apply to
non-airplanes and seem to have been censored in the original release of
the patent.

Hmm.

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