Ares-1 delayed 1 year?
Pat Flannery
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/01/nasas_internall.html
Pat
Rand Simberg
Flannery <fla...@daktel.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
>You make heads or tails of this mess:
>http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/01/nasas_internall.html
Whoever the new president is will have to deal with this. The first
thing that I'd do is form a commission to review the "analysis" that
led to ESAS. I suspect that they'll find that the sixty-day study was
extremely flawed and driven by the biases of its participants (Mike's
OSC mafia and Horowitz), and that it ignored all of the data provided
by the CE&R contracts.
surfduke
> You make heads or tails of this mess:http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/01/nasas_internall.html
>
> Pat
Shove some rods in before the casting? This is looking more, and more
like we will do a Ares V, or IV config out of the gate, (or a Delta IV
with scaled down CEV). As for the next admin. changing the program,
(What a nightmare it would be if Clinton or the Jr. from IL got the
lob).,we will be holding hands in orbit, (and singing folk songs with
the Russians), for the next 10 years. I feel more and more like it is
the mid 70's revisited.
Carl
P.S.
We need to have a fella like John Young, in charge of the program,
(with a mandate to put boots an the moon by 2015, NEA by 2020, and
Mars 2022). Define a real schedule, and fund it with no B.S. from the
talking heads.
Joseph Nebus
>On Jan 21, 7:55 am, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:
>> You make heads or tails of this mess:http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/01/nasas_internall.html
>Shove some rods in before the casting? This is looking more, and more
>like we will do a Ares V, or IV config out of the gate, (or a Delta IV
>with scaled down CEV). As for the next admin. changing the program,
>(What a nightmare it would be if Clinton or the Jr. from IL got the
>lob).,we will be holding hands in orbit, (and singing folk songs with
>the Russians), for the next 10 years. I feel more and more like it is
>the mid 70's revisited.
>Carl
I am filled with admiration by your creative extending of
traditional punctuation.
>P.S.
>We need to have a fella like John Young, in charge of the program,
>(with a mandate to put boots an the moon by 2015, NEA by 2020, and
>Mars 2022). Define a real schedule, and fund it with no B.S. from the
>talking heads.
Oh, it's just a matter of Having The Will, and a Schedule?
Man, makes you wonder what was wrong with everybody from 1967 onward
that we didn't think of that. Thanks for clearing things up. And
keep it up with the punctuation marks, too.
--
Joseph Nebus
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Pat Flannery
surfduke wrote:
>> You make heads or tails of this mess:http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/01/nasas_internall.html
>>
>> Pat
>>
>
> Shove some rods in before the casting?
>
For anyone missing that reference, placing "resonance rods" inside the
fuel grain of a solid fuel engine is one way to stop it from vibrating
excessively at high frequency during combustion, and tearing itself apart.
You can see them in this cutaway of a Nike booster:
http://ed-thelen.org/booster.gif
I'd love to see how you'd keep them in place in something the size of a
SRB. :-)
(Cut to image of them flying out the nozzle and impaling vehicles on the
ground like red-hot 150' long spears.)
Their weight would be impressive also.
Pat
gaetanomarano
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:55:45 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
> such a way as to indicate that:
>
> >You make heads or tails of this mess:
> >http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/01/nasas_internall.html
>
> Whoever the new president is will have to deal with this. The first
> thing that I'd do is form a commission to review the "analysis" that
> led to ESAS. I suspect that they'll find that the sixty-day study was
> extremely flawed and driven by the biases of its participants (Mike's
> OSC mafia and Horowitz), and that it ignored all of the data provided
> by the CE&R contracts.
MAYBE... SOMEDAY... SOMEONE WILL ADMITS I WAS RIGHT IN ALL MY ARTICLES
AND POSTS ON FORUMS AND BLOGS...
JUST SEARCH AND READ MY 1500+ POSTS ON UPLINK.SPACE.COM WRITTEN IN THE
LAST MONTHS OF 2005 WHEN WE HAD ONLY A FEW INFO ABOUT THE ESAS PLAN
(PUBLISHED AT THE END OF 2005) AND YOU CAN DISCOVER THAT ALL THE
PROBLEMS OF THE ESAS PLAN'S DESIGN FLAWS, HIGH COSTS, VERY LONG
TIMELINE, ETC. WAS ALREADY PREDICTED AND EXPLAINED 2.5 YEARS AGO !!!
THE SAME FOR MY FEW POSTS ON NSF
BOTH BANNED ME WHEN THEY HAVE SEEN THAT I DON'T OBEY TO THEIR DICTATS
ABOUT THE OPINIONS I CAN OR I CAN'T POST (SINCE I WRITE WHAT I SAY AND
I SAY WHAT I THINK) AND I'M NOT A SUPPORTER OF THEIR OWN "DIRECT-
LOBBY"
YOU, ALSO, HAS ALLOWED THE USERS OF YOUR BLOG TO POST INSULTS AGAINST
ME WITHOUT DELETE THEM (LIKE DONE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE LINKS TO MY
"DISLIKED" ARCGUMENTS' ARTICLES...)
THEN, FINALLY, YOU AND OTHER "SPACE GURU" DISCOVER THAT THE ESAS PLAN
HAS LOTS OF DESIGN FLAWS... :)
.
Pat Flannery
gaetanomarano wrote:
>
> JUST SEARCH AND READ MY 1500+ POSTS ON UPLINK.SPACE.COM WRITTEN IN THE
> LAST MONTHS OF 2005 WHEN WE HAD ONLY A FEW INFO ABOUT THE ESAS PLAN
> (PUBLISHED AT THE END OF 2005) AND YOU CAN DISCOVER THAT ALL THE
> PROBLEMS OF THE ESAS PLAN'S DESIGN FLAWS, HIGH COSTS, VERY LONG
> TIMELINE, ETC. WAS ALREADY PREDICTED AND EXPLAINED 2.5 YEARS AGO !!!
>
JUST READ MY 34,996 POSTINGS AND LEARN ABOUT THE SLUTTY WOMEN WHO
LIVE ON VENUS, AND THE STRANGE PEOPLE AND ANIMALS THAT INHABIT THE OTHER
PLANETS AND MOONS OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM !!! ;-)
PAT!
Rand Simberg
gaetanomarano <ma...@gaetanomarano.it> made the phosphor on my monitor
I generally allow freedom of speech on my blog. Particularly when I
agree with it.
>THEN, FINALLY, YOU AND OTHER "SPACE GURU" DISCOVER THAT THE ESAS PLAN
>HAS LOTS OF DESIGN FLAWS... :)
I've been saying that ESAS was flawed from the day it was announced,
you idiot.
kT
You know they're starting to lose it when they go all caps.
He Geronimo, doesn't Italy have a space program? I know Italy has a lot
of really smart and clever physicists in Italy, I have a lot of friends
in the physics community. And you guys essentially even have your own
launcher, Vega, which is almost identical to the ATK Athena III in form.
So rather than losing your mind, why don't you put it to good use.
BradGuth
Without the fly-by-rocket Zionist smarts of those Third Reich Jews,
there's not all that much within the new guard of our NASA to work
with, is there. It seems of most everything of any importance and/or
expertise is external to what our NASA represents. In other words,
it's not at all as warm and fuzzy like our mutually perpetrated cold-
war days.
- Brad Guth
kT
Now that is funny, I just knew you'd come around.
gaetanomarano
> you idiot
maybe, you could avoid to post insults and post the links to "your"
critics' posts about the ESAS flaws in OCTOBER and NOVEMBER
2005 ... :)
.
BradGuth
> surfduke <surfduke2...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >On Jan 21, 7:55 am, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:
> >> You make heads or tails of this mess:http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/01/nasas_internall.html
> >Shove some rods in before the casting? This is looking more, and more
> >like we will do a Ares V, or IV config out of the gate, (or a Delta IV
> >with scaled down CEV). As for the next admin. changing the program,
> >(What a nightmare it would be if Clinton or the Jr. from IL got the
> >lob).,we will be holding hands in orbit, (and singing folk songs with
> >the Russians), for the next 10 years. I feel more and more like it is
> >the mid 70's revisited.
> >Carl
>
> I am filled with admiration by your creative extending of
> traditional punctuation.
>
> >P.S.
> >We need to have a fella like John Young, in charge of the program,
> >(with a mandate to put boots an the moon by 2015, NEA by 2020, and
> >Mars 2022). Define a real schedule, and fund it with no B.S. from the
> >talking heads.
>
> Oh, it's just a matter of Having The Will, and a Schedule?
> Man, makes you wonder what was wrong with everybody from 1967 onward
> that we didn't think of that.
Obviously our folks were too busy creating and sustaining our mutually
perpetrated cold war(s).
Perhaps we should have just made if perfectly clear from the very get-
go that a rabbi was going to be in charge of everything NASA,
especially since it was anyway.
- Brad Guth
gaetanomarano
> He Geronimo, doesn't Italy have a space program? I know Italy has a lot
> of really smart and clever physicists in Italy, I have a lot of friends
> in the physics community. And you guys essentially even have your own
> launcher, Vega, which is almost identical to the ATK Athena III in form.
many ISS modules are made in Italy and Italy is the 3rd contributor to
the ESA and Arianespace funds
a man-rated Ariane5 itself could be good to launch manned vehicles,
but, unfortunately, the "quiet europeans" was and are not enough brave
to do what USA, Russia and (now) China has already done
about the VEGA ...it's the new COTS' ATK/LockMart launcher that looks
pretty close to it... :)
.
Greg D. Moore (Strider)
news:4a553e4e....@news.giganews.com...
>
> I generally allow freedom of speech on my blog. Particularly when I
> agree with it.
Oh wow... the irony.
>
>>THEN, FINALLY, YOU AND OTHER "SPACE GURU" DISCOVER THAT THE ESAS PLAN
>>HAS LOTS OF DESIGN FLAWS... :)
>
> I've been saying that ESAS was flawed from the day it was announced,
> you idiot.
Yeah, but then again so have most of us. :-)
--
Greg Moore
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kT
So why don't you put your great mind to work rather than lamenting on
how the Americans stole all your ideas. You should be ashamed because
the Americans are failing in launch vehicle architecture design, it's
nothing much to be proud of that they got all their ideas from you.
gaetanomarano
> how the Americans stole all your ideas.
NEVER said that !!!
I've just published (and publish) my ideas on my website and blog
(than, on several space forums and blogs)
it's NOT my guilty, if, months of years AFTER me, others (no matter if
in USA or Europe or other countries) have my SAME idea
probably, it always is a coincidence... :) :) :) :) :)
.
Rand Simberg
gaetanomarano <ma...@gaetanomarano.it> made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:
>On 22 Gen, 01:53, simberg.interglo...@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote:
Rand Simberg
Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_d...@greenms.com> made the phosphor
on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
>"Rand Simberg" <simberg.i...@org.trash> wrote in message
>news:4a553e4e....@news.giganews.com...
>>
>> I generally allow freedom of speech on my blog. Particularly when I
>> agree with it.
>
>Oh wow... the irony.
What irony would that be?
kT
That's pretty lame criticism, you should have been *OUTRAGED*.
I was *OUTRAGED*, but it took me a month or so to debrief from those two
hurricane seasons, 2004 and 2005, and it took me further time to get my
affairs in order, and get my BLOB up and running, but by November 20th
or so, of 2005, I was up and running at :
http://cosmic.lifeform.org (offline)
I'm sure you all remember it well.
gaetanomarano
>
> http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/2005_11.html
my hundreds 2005's critics (always documented with data and analysis)
vs. your critics look like a B-52 bomber vs. a water gun... :)
.
Rand Simberg
gaetanomarano <ma...@gaetanomarano.it> made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:
>On 22 Gen, 03:02, simberg.interglo...@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote:
>>
>> http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/2005_11.html
>
>my hundreds 2005's critics (always documented with data and analysis)
You never provided data or analysis. You provided childish drawings
on napkins.
kT
Jeff Findley
"Rand Simberg" <simberg.i...@org.trash> wrote in message
That's why I killfiled him long ago. You could see his current "I thought
of it first" behavior coming straight at you like a train wreck about to
happen.
From this site: http://everything2.com/?node_id=1917737
"a monkey sitting at a typewriter tapping at random will, if given enough
time, produce any piece of writing ever produced"
gaetanomarano was betting all along that he'd be able to produce enough
napkin drawings to "predict" the future.
Jeff
--
A clever person solves a problem.
A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein
Eric Chomko
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:15:23 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
So, if you DON'T agree with a post, generally, then you deserve the
right to censor it as well, right?
I'm just taking your logic and reversing it.
>
> >THEN, FINALLY, YOU AND OTHER "SPACE GURU" DISCOVER THAT THE ESAS PLAN
> >HAS LOTS OF DESIGN FLAWS... :)
>
> I've been saying that ESAS was flawed from the day it was announced,
> you idiot.
Cite?
Rand Simberg
Eric Chomko <pne.c...@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:
>> >YOU, ALSO, HAS ALLOWED THE USERS OF YOUR BLOG TO POST INSULTS AGAINST
>> >ME WITHOUT DELETE THEM (LIKE DONE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE LINKS TO MY
>> >"DISLIKED" ARCGUMENTS' ARTICLES...)
>>
>> I generally allow freedom of speech on my blog. Particularly when I
>> agree with it.
>
>So, if you DON'T agree with a post, generally, then you deserve the
>right to censor it as well, right?
I reserve the right to "censor" every post, you moron. It's my blog.
It's a right that I rarely employ, regardless of whether I agree or
disagree, as many frustrated commenters, who wish I policed the place
better, will tell you.
>I'm just taking your logic and reversing it.
No, you're not. You're simply demonstrating your inability to employ
logic.
Eric Chomko
wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
> glow in such a way as to indicate that:
>
> >> >YOU, ALSO, HAS ALLOWED THE USERS OF YOUR BLOG TO POST INSULTS AGAINST
> >> >ME WITHOUT DELETE THEM (LIKE DONE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE LINKS TO MY
> >> >"DISLIKED" ARCGUMENTS' ARTICLES...)
>
> >> I generally allow freedom of speech on my blog. Particularly when I
> >> agree with it.
>
> >So, if you DON'T agree with a post, generally, then you deserve the
> >right to censor it as well, right?
>
> I reserve the right to "censor" every post, you moron.
Then your blog is crap by your own admission. You aren't qualified to
be a fair moderator.
> It's my blog.
Right, like I said... crap.
> It's a right that I rarely employ, regardless of whether I agree or
> disagree, as many frustrated commenters, who wish I policed the place
> better, will tell you.
Police the place? Yeah, it figures...
>
> >I'm just taking your logic and reversing it.
>
> No, you're not. You're simply demonstrating your inability to employ
> logic.
No, you bascially admit that you set the rules. That is why I like it
here. No rules.
You know what you can do with your rules...
Pat Flannery
Pat Flannery wrote:
> You make heads or tails of this mess:
> http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/01/nasas_internall.html
And now the squabble is really going into high gear:
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/01/griffin_gets_sn.html#more
Who's got the nasty tone in their voice now?
Meow...meow....H-I-S-S-S-S-S! Catfight! Catfight! :-D
Pat