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Comrades! Death to the hooligan asteroid!

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Pat Flannery

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Dec 30, 2009, 3:02:00 PM12/30/09
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This is right over the top; Russia says it has a project to deflect
Apophis before it can hit Earth in 2036:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g-NtMHSdrWginRoUJPLcI7Ak38aw
...and of course they want other countries to give them money so they
can implement this plan.
Comrade C. Little is in fine capitalist form, considering the odds of it
impacting are presently 1 in 250,000.
But if it did...
"The Apophis asteroid measures approximately 350 metres (1,150 feet) in
diameter and RIA Novosti news agency said that if it were to hit Earth
when it passes nearby in 2036 it would create a new desert the size of
France."
They don't say if that desert would _be in_ France though, although one
must concede that a lot of people wouldn't mind if it were, particularly
African and Arab desert nations who had to deal with the Foreign Legion
in the past. ;-)

Pat

Pat Flannery

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Dec 30, 2009, 3:21:46 PM12/30/09
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Pat Flannery wrote:
BTW, if you want to figure out what various sized objects impacting
Earth would do, this is where to go:
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/

Pat

Alain Fournier

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Dec 30, 2009, 4:03:48 PM12/30/09
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Pat Flannery wrote:
> This is right over the top; Russia says it has a project to deflect
> Apophis before it can hit Earth in 2036:
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g-NtMHSdrWginRoUJPLcI7Ak38aw
>
> ...and of course they want other countries to give them money so they
> can implement this plan.
> Comrade C. Little is in fine capitalist form, considering the odds of it
> impacting are presently 1 in 250,000.


It might be better to do a dress rehearsal when the odds of impact are
1 to 250,000 than to do it at a later time for another asteroid when we
have odds of impact to be 250,000 to 1.


Alain Fournier

American

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Dec 30, 2009, 4:20:01 PM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 4:03 pm, Alain Fournier <alain...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Pat Flannery wrote:
> > This is right over the top; Russia says it has a project to deflect
> > Apophis  before it can hit Earth in 2036:
> >http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g-NtMHSdrWginRoUJP...

>
> > ...and of course they want other countries to give them money so they
> > can implement this plan.
> > Comrade C. Little is in fine capitalist form, considering the odds of it
> > impacting are presently 1 in 250,000.
>
> It might be better to do a dress rehearsal when the odds of impact are
> 1 to 250,000 than to do it at a later time for another asteroid when we
> have odds of impact to be 250,000 to 1.
>
> Alain Fournier

It has been estimated that there will be around 10 billion people
living on the earth by the year 2030.

If the Russians are that serious about getting funding for this
operation, just go ahead “CAN THE EARTH” because ALGORE says it’ll be
too late anyway, and while we wait for results from the Kepler survey
to come in, go full bore interstellar while we’ve still got the time
to develop the technology.

- better yet, just mine the damn thing while it swings in close enough
for the job.


American

This is not an endorsement of HR3962 or any reasonable facsimile
thereof, for either now or any time within the next 20 years.

Sylvia Else

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Dec 30, 2009, 8:45:35 PM12/30/09
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Pat Flannery wrote:
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g-NtMHSdrWginRoUJPLcI7Ak38aw

"closer than some geo-stationary satellites" ?

Geo-stationary satellites operate at varying distances?

Sylvia.

Val Kraut

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Dec 30, 2009, 9:21:22 PM12/30/09
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> Comrade C. Little is in fine capitalist form, considering the odds of it
> impacting are presently 1 in 250,000.

So they got something that ain't broke and they're gonna fix it.

It's a good thing the Russians have never had a failure in space otherwise
I'd worry they could make the odds more like 1 in 2.5. Sounds like a
dangerous experiment - oh no our foreign partners meant feet/sec!!! Saturday
Night Live could have a field day with this. Might be better to invest in a
cure for an imaginary plague that isn't going to happen, or feeding the
starving population of a country that doesn't exist.


shywon

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Dec 30, 2009, 9:58:12 PM12/30/09
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The Russians plan to move it so it impacts the United States...Nuke em
now!

Val Kraut

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Dec 30, 2009, 10:24:53 PM12/30/09
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The Russians plan to move it so it impacts the United States...Nuke em
now!

Make a nice plot for a new James Bond novel. All we need is a catchy title
(From Russia with Love has already been used unfortunately) and the name of
the female lead - something like Heaven Lee Body.


Jonathan

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Dec 30, 2009, 10:31:11 PM12/30/09
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"Val Kraut" <mar...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b3c0aaa$0$22531$607e...@cv.net...


The article said if it hits, it'll turn all of France into a desert.

So shouldn't we try moving into it's path?


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Frogwatch

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Dec 30, 2009, 11:13:37 PM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 10:57 pm, J0nathan Non Grata wrote:

> "Jonathan" <H...@Again.net> wrote:
> >So shouldn't we try moving into it's path?
>
> Please. Would you?
>
> Like before you post again?

Better idea, put it into an orbit that has it just a bit before or
after the earth in the same orbit. That way, its relative velocity is
very low and we can use it for material for making stuff in space.
See one of my old posts concerning solar thermal evaporation of
asteroidal materials to refine materials and to form the vapor
deposited materialonto substrates as foils.

Sylvia Else

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Dec 30, 2009, 11:20:51 PM12/30/09
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Frogwatch wrote:
> On Dec 30, 10:57 pm, J0nathan Non Grata wrote:
>> "Jonathan" <H...@Again.net> wrote:
>>> So shouldn't we try moving into it's path?
>> Please. Would you?
>>
>> Like before you post again?
>
> Better idea, put it into an orbit that has it just a bit before or
> after the earth in the same orbit.

That would require large change in its orbit. How would that be achieved?

Sylvia.

Pat Flannery

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Dec 31, 2009, 2:02:01 AM12/31/09
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Val Kraut wrote:

> So they got something that ain't broke and they're gonna fix it.

It's just another vaporware Russian space project that won't get built,
although given the perversity of the universe, I could picture them
deflecting it in such a way that it then _would_ hit Earth. :-)

Pat

Pat Flannery

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Dec 31, 2009, 2:08:12 AM12/31/09
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Sylvia Else wrote:

> That would require large change in its orbit. How would that be achieved?

Enlightened and dedicated socialist endeavor by The New Soviet Man?
No, I guess that's out.
Hiring the Chinese to do it?
Aye lassie, that's the ticket. :-D

Pat

Frogwatch

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Dec 31, 2009, 12:10:44 AM12/31/09
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I want em to nuke it.

Pat Flannery

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Dec 31, 2009, 2:23:13 AM12/31/09
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Sylvia Else wrote:
>
> "closer than some geo-stationary satellites" ?
>
> Geo-stationary satellites operate at varying distances?

This could be a screw up with translation, as Russia has used satellites
with highly elliptical orbits (Molniya orbits) that also have a 24 hour
period.

Sylvia Else

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Dec 31, 2009, 2:17:41 AM12/31/09
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You mean, scatter its component parts (it's probably a rubble pile) so
as to guarantee that a fair number will hit Earth?

Sylvia.

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com |

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Dec 31, 2009, 1:50:03 PM12/31/09
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Indeed, the miss could be converted into a hit the next time around
by the scattered parts.

And it could to an excuse to do a bit of very above ground nuclear
bomb testing. That sounds much more Putin than saving the planet.

Damien Valentine

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Dec 31, 2009, 5:03:02 PM12/31/09
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On Dec 31, 12:39 pm, OM <o...@sci.space.history> wrote:
> ...And they were pretty proud of these spy...er..,"weather" sats, too.
> Released at least two stamps commemorating them, which was the one
> thing positive you have to give the Evil Soviet Empire credit for...

Were they...*evil* stamps? (Twirls handlebar mustache.)

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Pat Flannery

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Jan 3, 2010, 9:22:52 AM1/3/10
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Now Rusty has dissed the Ruskies in a updated article about Apophis:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/12/russia-plans-to-save-planet-from-killer-asteroid-no-nuclear-explosions-space-chief-promises/#more-21127
The Schweickarmeister says that Perminov is puffing on a Cuban cigar and
blowing smoke up our assteroids.

Pat

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Eric Chomko

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Jan 4, 2010, 11:46:48 AM1/4/10
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I actually picture Dr. Evil asking that with his little finger to his
mouth...

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