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 More options May 23 2012, 10:24 am
Newsgroups: aus.tv, sci.skeptic
From: BruceS <bruce...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 07:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 23 2012 10:24 am
Subject: Re: PAYCHECK .. Good Movie!
On May 23, 4:07 am, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:

> BruceS wrote:
> > On May 22, 2:11 am, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> >> BruceS wrote:
> >>> On May 19, 5:54 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> >>>> BruceS wrote:
> >>>>> On May 18, 4:31 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> BruceS wrote:
> >>>>>>> On May 18, 6:41 am, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Graham Cooper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On May 18, 8:08 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Graham Cooper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 7:20 am, BruceS <bruce...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 15, 1:15 am, Government Shill #2
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 01:14:49 -0700 (PDT), Graham Cooper

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 7, 9:38 am, Graham Cooper
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You really can't see the Dragon from Neverending Story
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> swooping down to save the big falling Dragon?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://camaffiliate.com/media/3-DRAGONS.jpg

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK GUESS WHAT THIS WAS A PREMONITION OF?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOMEONE WITH WINGS FALLING???

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check the date!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> swooping down to save the big falling Dragon? <<<

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cmon who is a BIG STAR with a Dragon Face and WINGS??

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Came tumbling down this week?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No idea.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's your delusion. You tell us.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid it's just one of his many delusions. He'd
> >>>>>>>>>>>> stabilized a bit recently, but now seems to be back in full
> >>>>>>>>>>>> crazy mode. He's talking about his cloud picture delusions,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> his belief that he has a direct line to an omniscient god,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> his claim to be rich, and his connection to movies, not to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mention that poor woman he's been stalking. Graham,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> whatever you were doing that was helping to ground you for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a while, you really should go back to doing it.

> >>>>>>>>>>> That's really spiteful when all I'm saying is last week I
> >>>>>>>>>>> posted

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> swooping down to save the big falling winged Dragon? <<

> >>>>>>>>>>> only days before John Travolta fell from grace, the star of
> >>>>>>>>>>> Angel.

> >>>>>>>>>>> To be expected from skeptic groups, none of you even noticed
> >>>>>>>>>>> the ill fated ferry captain "Inthashoet" when world
> >>>>>>>>>>> headlines focused on the boating disaster on Fri 13 earlier
> >>>>>>>>>>> this year!

> >>>>>>>>>>> You find this picture nonsense?
> >>>>>>>>>>>http://camaffiliate.com/media/3-DRAGONS.jpg

> >>>>>>>>>>> That's your problem, James Randi and CO are very interested.

> >>>>>>>>>> Someone close to me died very recently, can you tell me
> >>>>>>>>>> anything about the person I'm talking about?

> >>>>>>>>> Yes but it's more concise if you Tele-Ask me.

> >>>>>>>>> Think about the person while you think of any page and line
> >>>>>>>>> number.

> >>>>>>>>> Then post the page and line number to me. Max P370 L30

> >>>>>>>>> Herc

> >>>>>>>> Page 11, line 14

> >>>>>>> Yikes! I get:

> >>>>>>> "was about four Foot high, and almost two Foot wide, through"

> >>>>>>> Was this a somewhat short, stout person?

> >>>>>> I'll answer that after Graham has given his answer, in fairness
> >>>>>> to him.

> >>>>> Fair enough, though I ask that you also answer after it becomes
> >>>>> clear that Graham isn't going to do his magic.

> >>>> To answer your question, yes the person I am talking about was
> >>>> short and right up to the end worked out a lot so had an upper
> >>>> body of a bodybuilder.

> >>>> That seems spot on.

> >>>> Want to add anything else?

> >>> Sure. I'll say once more that I don't pretend to have any magical
> >>> abilities or powers. This "hit" represents the sort of thing that
> >>> psychics do all the time (and they ignore misses), when they pretend
> >>> to contact departed loved ones. People like James Randi and Penn
> >>> Gillette could do a much better job of explaining (or doing) it, but
> >>> it's just playing the odds. If we were face-to-face, and I had a
> >>> couple minutes, I could throw out a bunch of other guesses, like
> >>> "did this person like water?" or "was there some court case
> >>> involved?" and watch for responses. If I were recording the whole
> >>> thing to use later (like the TV psychics), I could then edit out
> >>> all the "no, that doesn't apply" kind of responses and just keep
> >>> the good ones. Even people who were there, if they were inclined to
> >>> magical thinking, would likely believe that I'd done something
> >>> extraordinary. Notice how Graham couldn't get anything to fit on
> >>> his chosen line, so he resorted to fitting in bits from nearby
> >>> lines, and using sounds-like (foray = AAAA) to make a fit to
> >>> something *completely unrelated* to the question. I would really
> >>> like to see someone with magic powers (assuming they weren't
> >>> somehow used against me), but it always seems to come down to two
> >>> things: delusion or fraud.

> >>> So,
> >>> Did this person like water?

> >> Not particularly that I'm aware of, however water may have played a
> >> part in cause of death.

> >>> Was there a court case?

> >> No.

> >>> I'm sensing the letter 'M'. Did this person's name, or the name of a
> >>> close associate, start with 'M'?

> >> Surname starts with M.

> >> (if not, maybe it turns out the clue

> >>> means the person was male, or knew someone who was).

> >> Care to guess if male or female?

> >>> Does the color blue mean anything here?

> >> Yes, the person was feeling "blue".

> >>> There was something odd about the person's left hand, I think. Does
> >>> that make sense?

> >> The person was left handed.

> >> That's a pretty good display of cold reading ;-)

> > That really made me laugh.  Yes, that's exactly what it is, and I
> > think you're pretty clear on what I'm saying.  A "psychic" would have
> > jumped on the water bit as a hit, even though you said "might";
> > ignored the court bit or said you just didn't know about it; guessed
> > the sex at random, with a 50% chance (I guess "female");

> Wrong - he's male, so then you would have add that you see a close female -
> possibly his mother or grandmother or a sister... that should cover up that
> miss and turn it into a hit.

I don't know if he had a sister, but I'm pretty sure he had a mother.
Yes...I'm seeing a mother figure, who had some major influence on
him.  There was something unusual about her...

Or maybe it's the "opposites" bit.  I knew a guy who believed in magic
powers, and claimed that getting too low a hit rate was *also* a
success.

> would have

> > really expanded on the "blue" bit; and would have been very excited
> > about the left-handed bit.  That's way better than I expected.  Look
> > out, Graham, a new psychic is in town, and he's ready to rumble!

> Haha, it pretty much went as I expected though your hit ratio is quite
> good... if I was a believer, I would be utterly convinced that you made a
> "connection".

> It's amusing how bad Graham is at cold reading, but that's related to his
> delusional and disjointed mental state inhibiting his reasoning and rational
> thought.

Someone else (or maybe several someones) mentioned the name of the
condition where schizophrenics find patterns where there are none, and
turn random associations into significant relationships.  I'm too lazy
to look it up, but Graham seems to have it in spades.  I've noticed
odd coincidences enough times, and seen shapes in clouds, etc., and
I'm sure most people have.  The unfortunate part is that while
sometimes Graham stabilizes and returns to a saner condition, it never
lasts.

 
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