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Warhol

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May 25, 2011, 6:38:06 PM5/25/11
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JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE


But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
president was assassinated in Dallas.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-mission-was-a-stunt-new-tapes-show/239431/


This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits plain
as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The whole Space
travel thing is a hoax.

Father Haskell

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May 25, 2011, 6:51:51 PM5/25/11
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On May 25, 6:38 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>
> But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
> you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
> through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
> and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
> head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
> president was assassinated in Dallas.
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...

>
> This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits plain
> as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The whole Space
> travel thing is a hoax.

Winston Smith and Jello Biafra arranged it so they could
make a really neat band poster out of it:

http://tinyurl.com/3rt9maz

deem...@aol.com

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May 25, 2011, 7:21:09 PM5/25/11
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On May 25, 6:38 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>
> But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
> you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
> through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
> and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
> head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
> president was assassinated in Dallas.
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...

>
> This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits plain
> as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The whole Space
> travel thing is a hoax.

Gawd you're a moron.

Ernie

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May 25, 2011, 8:03:56 PM5/25/11
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"Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Great link. That proves it. Ernie


Brad Guth

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May 25, 2011, 8:32:03 PM5/25/11
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On May 25, 3:38 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>
> But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
> you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
> through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
> and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
> head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
> president was assassinated in Dallas.
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...

>
> This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits plain
> as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The whole Space
> travel thing is a hoax.

We did get off the ground in a very big and spectacular way, and
having managed to get safely to/from the Earth-moon L1. Otherwise
purely robotic missions did manage to orbit the moon and deliver one-
way to the lunar surface. I believe there was at least one Apollo
mission that actually orbited the moon, possibly two missions if we
include A-13, but everything else was either unmanned or at least not
having taken place on the lunar surface.

If they did what they claim, then they also accomplished the absolute
worse kinds of science and having lost most of their fly-by-rocket
technology and its expertise of "right stuff" somewhere along the
way. The Zionist Nazis that made it all happen are nowhere to be
found, and what remains of their advanced engineering and technology
of that mutually perpetrated cold-war era simply doesn't add up to
what actual fly-by-rocket landings on our physically dark and nasty
moon should have involved.

I'm still looking for objective proof-positive, that those Apollo
missions did exactly what they claim, and their Kodak film recorded
the same as everything we've been media exposed to.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/
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JTEM

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May 25, 2011, 8:43:10 PM5/25/11
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Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon
> landing was FAKE

Oh, *Please* tell me that nobody informed him that
JFK died years before the Moon landings....

--
Check out my friend's lame ass show:

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Dakota

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May 25, 2011, 9:04:47 PM5/25/11
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Indeed.

Warhol

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May 25, 2011, 9:35:58 PM5/25/11
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No... I am a Moor... or Moro... And I ain't fooled by circus tricks...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/862/raisulitemplarcross.jpg/
http://www.fotw.us/images/m/ma_17c.gif

Ignorance is a steep hill with perilous rocks at the bottom

Mitchell Holman

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May 25, 2011, 10:29:35 PM5/25/11
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Brad Guth <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in news:4cb5c93b-b37b-4454-b826-
39eb4d...@r27g2000prr.googlegroups.com:

>
>
> I'm still looking for objective proof-positive, that those Apollo
> missions did exactly what they claim, and their Kodak film recorded
> the same as everything we've been media exposed to.


If the Apollo astronauts didn't place the laser reflectors
that astronomer continue to bounce signals off of on the moon
then who did?


http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/dda.html

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/265/5171/482.short

http://www.iers.org/nn_10856/IERS/EN/Science/Techniques/llr.html?__nnn=true

http://www.einsteins-theory-of-relativity-4engineers.com/apollo.html

Warhol

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May 25, 2011, 10:44:51 PM5/25/11
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On May 26, 4:29 am, Mitchell Holman <nom...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in news:4cb5c93b-b37b-4454-b826-
> 39eb4d509...@r27g2000prr.googlegroups.com:

>
>
>
> > I'm still looking for objective proof-positive, that those Apollo
> > missions did exactly what they claim, and their Kodak film recorded
> > the same as everything we've been media exposed to.
>
>    If the Apollo astronauts didn't place the laser reflectors
> that astronomer continue to bounce signals off of on the moon
> then who did?
>
> http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/dda.html
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/265/5171/482.short
>
> http://www.iers.org/nn_10856/IERS/EN/Science/Techniques/llr.html?__nn...
>
> http://www.einsteins-theory-of-relativity-4engineers.com/apollo.html


Thanks for the info the bike reflector thing makes sense to me now.


The fact remains - NASA has already explained that Earth telescopes
cannot be used to find the Lunar landing sites. They have no way of
locating these reflectors with any sort of precision. Yet, they claim
to be able to locate them with ease during their laser exercises.
Something is amiss here

Mickey

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May 25, 2011, 11:05:33 PM5/25/11
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> Something is amiss here-

There is. You conspiracy theory wackos
need to have your heads examined more
often. If you have anything above the level
of your medulla oblongata, that is.

Uncle Vic

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May 26, 2011, 12:30:44 AM5/26/11
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On May 25, 3:38 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE

That's convenient, isn't it? JFK is dead.

--
Uncle Vic

Father Haskell

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May 26, 2011, 12:37:03 AM5/26/11
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On May 25, 10:44 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Insufficient resolving power.

> Yet, they claim
> to be able to locate them with ease during their laser exercises.

> Something is amiss here- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes, your education or lack thereof. Not saying your
parents and teachers didn't try.

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 1:39:09 AM5/26/11
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So you still think you can fly into orbit and stay there??? Even after
JFK admitted... wow.... you guy's beat me... but believe me you are
flying to high...

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 1:43:17 AM5/26/11
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dead man can talk... we have the prove here....

Seon

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May 26, 2011, 5:11:27 AM5/26/11
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"Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Is not admitting it was faked. He said the moon landing was a stunt in the
way that he didn't think it was worth the cost. I guess he changed his
mind...

Mike Jones

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May 26, 2011, 8:06:17 AM5/26/11
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Responding to: deem...@aol.com

So where's your rational explanation about how the OP is wrong?

Just wondering'...

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Richard

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May 26, 2011, 8:30:39 AM5/26/11
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JFK DIED numbnuts...and died well before the first moon shot. BTW,
you'll notice he said nothing about John Glenn's orbital missions
being faked so clearly you're not just a loon but an idiot as well.

Richard

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May 26, 2011, 8:32:00 AM5/26/11
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You have a recording made by the CIA/Cuban Cabal at the behest of the
Rockefellers using a voice actor...

YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT IS JFK.

Andrew Swallow

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May 26, 2011, 8:42:04 AM5/26/11
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NASA can afford better telescopes than you can.

Also the laser beam several feet across just has to hit a mirror rather
than trying to read the letters.

Andrew Swallow

jesshc

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May 26, 2011, 9:09:15 AM5/26/11
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On May 25, 3:38 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>
> But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
> you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
> through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
> and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
> head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
> president was assassinated in Dallas.
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...

>
> This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits plain
> as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The whole Space
> travel thing is a hoax.

Oh, look. You're lying.

deem...@aol.com

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May 26, 2011, 10:47:53 AM5/26/11
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On May 26, 8:06 am, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> Responding to: deemsb...@aol.com

If the OP gives a rational post, I'll give a rational response.
Happy?

Brad Guth

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May 26, 2011, 10:48:22 AM5/26/11
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Then so is William Mook and dozens of others. Why is it that only
ZNRs like yourself and other redneck FUD-masters never lie?

Brad Guth

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May 26, 2011, 11:13:21 AM5/26/11
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On May 25, 7:29 pm, Mitchell Holman <nom...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in news:4cb5c93b-b37b-4454-b826-
> 39eb4d509...@r27g2000prr.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > I'm still looking for objective proof-positive, that those Apollo
> > missions did exactly what they claim, and their Kodak film recorded
> > the same as everything we've been media exposed to.
>
>    If the Apollo astronauts didn't place the laser reflectors
> that astronomer continue to bounce signals off of on the moon
> then who did?
>
> http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/dda.html
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/265/5171/482.short
>
> http://www.iers.org/nn_10856/IERS/EN/Science/Techniques/llr.html?__nn...
>
> http://www.einsteins-theory-of-relativity-4engineers.com/apollo.html

Robotics can accomplish the same task. Remember that those Russians
supposedly accomplished their robotic landings and deployed
instruments (including laser reflectors), although they too lost all
of their fly-by-rocket R&D documentation pertaining to accomplishing
soft landings, so once again we just have to take their word for it.

Brad Guth

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May 26, 2011, 11:23:13 AM5/26/11
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On May 26, 2:11 am, "Seon" <seonfergu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:eaa43dfc-2f1a-42a3...@x1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>
> > But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
> > you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
> > through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
> > and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
> > head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
> > president was assassinated in Dallas.
>
> >http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...

>
> > This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits plain
> > as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The whole Space
> > travel thing is a hoax.
>
> "But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when you can
> go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically through instruments
> and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt and it isn't worth that many
> billions"
>
> Is not admitting it was faked. He said the moon landing was a stunt in the
> way that he didn't think it was worth the cost. I guess he changed his
> mind...

Then where exactly is your fly-by-rocket lander of that era, that can
be easily mass scaled to suit and demonstrated without ever getting
its crew killed in the process?

btw, no powerful momentum reaction wheels allowed or any computers or
sensors any better than the Apollo era, and lets see your sudden drop
from 2.5 km/sec and downrange soft landings.

Richard

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May 26, 2011, 11:48:01 AM5/26/11
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Prove you're not a Turing machine.

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 2:08:33 PM5/26/11
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Why do you keep make a fool out of yourselves...;

explain us what telescope can see that which NASA herself say's can't
be seen... and you shills can't change anything about it...

Space Travel is stupid Hoax of a dark international Organization that
is out to enslave all men and beast on the surface of this world...
Bravo you fools and shills who are helping liars and criminals
against your own people.

NASA ain't a American organization... She a tool for the NWO and a new
world religion...
http://oiir.hq.nasa.gov/f_orgs.html

so those who defend this evil Fellowship of lies, betray their own
people, brothers and sisters and even their children and little
children...

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 2:17:19 PM5/26/11
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I told you already... beware you shall be deceived... you believe in
lies of the devil....

beware in him is no truth found...

PS... I must prove anything... it's them that must prove to the world
their deeds... Not I... I don't lie to my family or children.

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 2:23:18 PM5/26/11
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On May 26, 11:11 am, "Seon" <seonfergu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:eaa43dfc-2f1a-42a3...@x1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>
> > But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
> > you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
> > through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
> > and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
> > head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
> > president was assassinated in Dallas.
>
> >http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...

>
> > This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits plain
> > as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The whole Space
> > travel thing is a hoax.
>
> "But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when you can
> go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically through instruments
> and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt and it isn't worth that many
> billions"
>
> Is not admitting it was faked. He said the moon landing was a stunt in the
> way that he didn't think it was worth the cost. I guess he changed his
> mind...


please shills... I know you are deceived... so don't come here whine
that he said this or that...

He Received a Bullet in the head... as the many others, we never have
heard off...

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 2:25:09 PM5/26/11
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Ooooh shill are you here again with your bullshit...

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 2:30:50 PM5/26/11
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come on you shills, where is the rational response? you have none...
you shills are just like parrots, always repeating the same bullshit.

Olrik

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May 26, 2011, 2:37:00 PM5/26/11
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On 2011-05-26 14:17, Warhol wrote:
> On May 26, 2:32 pm, Richard<the.sar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 26, 12:43 am, Warhol<mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On May 26, 6:30 am, Uncle Vic<vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On May 25, 3:38 pm, Warhol<mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>>
>>>> That's convenient, isn't it? JFK is dead.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Uncle Vic
>>
>>> dead man can talk... we have the prove here....
>>
>> You have a recording made by the CIA/Cuban Cabal at the behest of the
>> Rockefellers using a voice actor...
>>
>> YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT IS JFK.
>
>
>
> I told you already... beware you shall be deceived... you believe in
> lies of the devil....

How can we tell that you're not the devil's puppet?

Andrew Swallow

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May 26, 2011, 3:41:50 PM5/26/11
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On 26/05/2011 19:08, Warhol wrote:
{snip}

>
>
> Why do you keep make a fool out of yourselves...;

That is your job Warhol.

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 3:43:53 PM5/26/11
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Last Words - Nothing here now but the Recordings...

http://youtu.be/AJTIedZVIVQ

Bob Casanova

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May 26, 2011, 3:54:32 PM5/26/11
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On Wed, 25 May 2011 15:38:06 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Warhol
<mol...@hotmail.com>:

>JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE

Language isn't your first language, is it? *Nothing* in the
article says it was a "fake", only that he was worried that
it wasn't worth what it was costing.

You really are a moron, aren't you?

>But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
>you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
>through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
>and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
>head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
>president was assassinated in Dallas.
>

>http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-mission-was-a-stunt-new-tapes-show/239431/


>
>
>This is why he was killed, (among many other things).

He was killed by a nutjob. If Oswald were alive today he'd
be cheering you on.

> He admits plain
>as day that the cost did not justify the end results.

He stated that opinion, yes.

>The whole Space
>travel thing is a hoax.

Classic non sequitur.
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

george

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May 26, 2011, 4:26:51 PM5/26/11
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On May 27, 7:54 am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 May 2011 15:38:06 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Warhol
> <mol...@hotmail.com>:
>
> >JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>
> Language isn't your first language, is it? *Nothing* in the
> article says it was a "fake", only that he was worried that
> it wasn't worth what it was costing.
>
> You really are a moron, aren't you?
>
> >But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
> >you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
> >through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
> >and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
> >head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
> >president was assassinated in Dallas.
>
> >http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...

>
> >This is why he was killed, (among many other things).
>
> He was killed by a nutjob. If Oswald were alive today he'd
> be cheering you on.
>
> > He admits plain
> >as day that the cost did not justify the end results.
>
> He stated that opinion, yes.
>
> >The whole Space
> >travel thing is a hoax.
>
> Classic non sequitur.

Remember that warhol posted a photo of a meteorite sourced from NASA
by a passing spacecraft that transmitted the image back to Earth when
he was claiming that thousands of meteorites were going to crash to
Earth...

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 4:31:50 PM5/26/11
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Do you ever wonder why GOD didn't throw Satan and the Fallen Angels
into Hell before he created Human Beings?

If he would of done that..Adam and Eve would of not known what evil
was and they would of just enjoyed the garden for eternity? maybe or
maybe not...Just like Lucifer as a spirit being took his free will and
created jealousy and envy because he was not GOD, would a Physical
Being do the same with his *Free Will*

This is the *Test* Satan thought he could stump GOD with..

Satan asked GOD..Test human beings, see if they reject evil and sin
and just follow you.....

Satan thought he now had one up on GOD..Human beings would slip like
fallen angels did and Satan could glorify himself in front of 1/3 of
the Fallen Angels...

HOWEVER....

GOD knew before we were created, that we would slip up and so he beat
Satan at his foolish game, he would send his SON to pay for the sins
of humanity...

John 3:16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yztGrgCRLXI

Nothing is True, Everything is Permissible.
~~ Hasan Mesbah

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 5:02:33 PM5/26/11
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On May 26, 9:54 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 May 2011 15:38:06 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Warhol
> <mol...@hotmail.com>:
>
> >JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>
> Language isn't your first language, is it? *Nothing* in the
> article says it was a "fake", only that he was worried that
> it wasn't worth what it was costing.
>
> You really are a moron, aren't you?
>
> >But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
> >you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
> >through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
> >and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
> >head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
> >president was assassinated in Dallas.
>
> >http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...

>
> >This is why he was killed, (among many other things).
>
> He was killed by a nutjob. If Oswald were alive today he'd
> be cheering you on.
>
> > He admits plain
> >as day that the cost did not justify the end results.
>
> He stated that opinion, yes.
>
> >The whole Space
> >travel thing is a hoax.
>
> Classic non sequitur.
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> "Evidence confirming an observation is
> evidence that the observation is wrong."
>                           - McNameless


Actually...you're the one that needs the grammar lesson:

to prove-

he proves- present
he proved- past
He has proven- past participle
It is proven (as an adjective)

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 5:02:51 PM5/26/11
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you certainly stink rat... even you pretend to be a chicken.... you
stink like a rat.

And dont forget that the Torah is a Moorish storybook....

george

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May 26, 2011, 5:50:27 PM5/26/11
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You really don't have to try to look like a kook.
You attained that qualification way way back...

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 6:43:20 PM5/26/11
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A strange protest coming from you.

Ernie

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May 26, 2011, 6:54:51 PM5/26/11
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"Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8905bdb2-1853-43d7...@28g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...

On May 26, 4:29 am, Mitchell Holman <nom...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in news:4cb5c93b-b37b-4454-b826-
> 39eb4d509...@r27g2000prr.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > I'm still looking for objective proof-positive, that those Apollo
> > missions did exactly what they claim, and their Kodak film recorded
> > the same as everything we've been media exposed to.
>
> If the Apollo astronauts didn't place the laser reflectors
> that astronomer continue to bounce signals off of on the moon
> then who did?
>
> http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/dda.html
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/265/5171/482.short
>
> http://www.iers.org/nn_10856/IERS/EN/Science/Techniques/llr.html?__nn...
>
> http://www.einsteins-theory-of-relativity-4engineers.com/apollo.html


Thanks for the info the bike reflector thing makes sense to me now.


The fact remains - NASA has already explained that Earth telescopes
cannot be used to find the Lunar landing sites. They have no way of
locating these reflectors with any sort of precision. Yet, they claim
to be able to locate them with ease during their laser exercises.
Something is amiss here

>>Warhol: That proves it. ERnie


Keith Willshaw

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May 26, 2011, 7:30:13 PM5/26/11
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That something is your understanding of optics

The locations are capable of being fixed with great precision.
The trouble is that the LEM descent stage is just too small
to resolve through the distortion of earths atmosphere at
a distance of 250,000 miles. You'd be hard pushed to see
something the size of the LEM from 20 miles away let alone
a quarter of a million.

It was to get over such problems that the Hubble Telescope
was built but even it can only resolve an object that is 200ft
or so in size while the largest piece left on the moon is only 30ft.

Radio telescopes however had no trouble tracking
the signals from the lunar surface and these were not just
professional observatories. Scores of amateurs did the same
thing including the pupils at an English High School.

Keith


george

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May 26, 2011, 7:55:33 PM5/26/11
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On May 27, 10:54 am, "Ernie" <Ernie...@webtv.net> wrote:

> The fact remains - NASA has already explained that Earth telescopes
> cannot be used to find the Lunar landing sites. They have no way of
> locating these reflectors with any sort of precision. Yet, they claim
> to be able to locate them with ease during their laser exercises.
> Something is amiss here
>

Go to http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html
That we can't see the Apollo landing sites is akin to any-one on the
Moon unable to see Mt Everest..
There is nothing 'amiss' They know where the laser reflector is

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 8:03:52 PM5/26/11
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can you show us here some result of this radio telescopes please... I
would like to know what they see with the radio thing...

Nasa even claims here to Capture Best-Ever Snapshot of Black Hole Jets
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/radio-particle-jets.html

Cool!

Black holes scare me though... even thought they are just a theory,
and there are many other theories that make much more sense than
'black holes'.

and if you believe NASA bullshit they even receive radio signals from
ET...

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=44764

SETI Report Bogus

Just off the phone with Seth Shostak, I can report that the KTVU story
discussed below about a possible SETI reception is bogus. Apparently
the reporter involved misinterpreted the conversation, as we had
surmised. We may get a successful reception of an extraterrestrial
civilization one of these days, but this wasn’t it.

http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=1677

Bummer. This would have been awesome if true...

Brad Guth

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May 26, 2011, 8:48:41 PM5/26/11
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Prove you're not a redneck ZNR FUD-master.

Do you solve everything by creating or sustaining war?

Richard

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May 26, 2011, 9:35:08 PM5/26/11
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No loon, I'm here with my loon mallet.

Do you buy your Depends in bulk?

Richard

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May 26, 2011, 9:36:00 PM5/26/11
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Do you label everything Mr. Turing Machine?

Richard

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May 26, 2011, 9:38:47 PM5/26/11
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On May 26, 9:48 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 26, 6:09 am, jesshc <jess...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 25, 3:38 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>
> > > But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
> > > you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
> > > through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
> > > and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
> > > head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
> > > president was assassinated in Dallas.
>
> > >http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...
>
> > > This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits plain
> > > as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The whole Space
> > > travel thing is a hoax.
>
> > Oh, look.  You're lying.
>
> Then so is William Mook and dozens of others.  Why is it that only
> ZNRs like yourself and other redneck FUD-masters never lie?
>
>  http://www.wanttoknow.info/
>  http://translate.google.com/#
>  Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Why do loons and other loons like you attempt to label everyone as ZNR
(wtf is that?) or rednecks WITHOUT EVER HAVING MET A SINGLE PERSON?

On usenet no one knows you're dog...but they can certainly tell a
loon.

Richard

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May 26, 2011, 9:39:52 PM5/26/11
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Wow! That was nonsensical even for you! SEGFAULT Turing boi?

John Baker

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May 26, 2011, 9:52:40 PM5/26/11
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On Thu, 26 May 2011 17:54:51 -0500, "Ernie" <Erni...@webtv.net>
wrote:

I don't know about something being amiss, but it appears your brain
has gone missing...

Iarnrod

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May 26, 2011, 9:58:24 PM5/26/11
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On May 25, 4:38 pm, Asshol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE

Hey Asshol...

JFK was not alive when the moon landing occurred. Suggest you renew a
newspaper subscription or something.

Brad Guth

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May 26, 2011, 10:44:04 PM5/26/11
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I call them like I see them. You seem to be another ZNR redneck FUD-
master, or perhaps something worse. You're and other MIs are
obviously happy that JFK was eliminated, as in God save the Queen.

Are you going to suggest that the cold-war wasn't mutually
perpetrated?

Brad Guth

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May 26, 2011, 10:46:41 PM5/26/11
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Your past, present and future actions are sufficient proof of which
side you are on. Obviously you want nothing to change or ever get
revised.

BDK

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May 26, 2011, 11:21:57 PM5/26/11
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In article <46d33273-8671-4561-b527-
a3af4c...@x6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, the.s...@gmail.com says...

>
> On May 26, 1:25 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 26, 5:48 pm, Richard <the.sar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 26, 9:48 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On May 26, 6:09 am, jesshc <jess...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On May 25, 3:38 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
> >
> > > > > > But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
> > > > > > you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
> > > > > > through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
> > > > > > and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
> > > > > > head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
> > > > > > president was assassinated in Dallas.
> >
> > > > > >http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...
> >
> > > > > > This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits plain
> > > > > > as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The whole Space
> > > > > > travel thing is a hoax.
> >
> > > > > Oh, look.  You're lying.
> >
> > > > Then so is William Mook and dozens of others.  Why is it that only
> > > > ZNRs like yourself and other redneck FUD-masters never lie?
> >
> > > >  http://www.wanttoknow.info/
> > > >  http://translate.google.com/#
> > > >  Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?

> >
> > > Prove you're not a Turing machine.
> >
> > Ooooh shill are you here again with your bullshit...
>
> No loon, I'm here with my loon mallet.
>
> Do you buy your Depends in bulk?

He doesn't buy them at all, he goes "natural" and the keepers clean him
up.

--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

Warhol

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May 26, 2011, 11:24:57 PM5/26/11
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Hey kikerod...

Just as a point of clarification, the recording between President
Kennedy and NASA Administration James Webb in 1963 was released
(5/25/11) by the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston not by
NASA. Please see the Kennedy Library website for audio clips and
transcripts of this conversation.

Then there is your continued use of another fallacy of reasoning or
logic which is to attack the messenger while completely ignoring the
message...

And don't forget to Google President John F. Kennedy - September 12,
1962 speech...

So who looks like fArsehol now kike?

Olrik

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May 27, 2011, 12:28:26 AM5/27/11
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On 2011-05-26 16:31, Warhol wrote:
> On May 26, 8:37 pm, Olrik<olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2011-05-26 14:17, Warhol wrote:

>>>>> On May 26, 6:30 am, Uncle Vic<vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On May 25, 3:38 pm, Warhol<mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>>
>>>>>> That's convenient, isn't it? JFK is dead.
>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Uncle Vic
>>
>>>>> dead man can talk... we have the prove here....
>>
>>>> You have a recording made by the CIA/Cuban Cabal at the behest of the
>>>> Rockefellers using a voice actor...
>>
>>>> YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT IS JFK.
>>
>>> I told you already... beware you shall be deceived... you believe in
>>> lies of the devil....
>>
>> How can we tell that you're not the devil's puppet?

>>> beware in him is no truth found...
>>
>>> PS... I must prove anything... it's them that must prove to the world
>>> their deeds... Not I... I don't lie to my family or children.

> Do you ever wonder why GOD didn't throw Satan and the Fallen Angels
> into Hell before he created Human Beings?

I actually don't.

> If he would of done that..Adam and Eve would of not known what evil
> was and they would of just enjoyed the garden for eternity? maybe or
> maybe not...Just like Lucifer as a spirit being took his free will and
> created jealousy and envy because he was not GOD, would a Physical
> Being do the same with his *Free Will*
>
> This is the *Test* Satan thought he could stump GOD with..
>
> Satan asked GOD..Test human beings, see if they reject evil and sin
> and just follow you.....
>
> Satan thought he now had one up on GOD..Human beings would slip like
> fallen angels did and Satan could glorify himself in front of 1/3 of
> the Fallen Angels...
>
> HOWEVER....
>
> GOD knew before we were created, that we would slip up and so he beat
> Satan at his foolish game, he would send his SON to pay for the sins
> of humanity...
>
> John 3:16

Warhol, I think you're the devil's puppet, trying to make religion looks
ridiculous by behaving like a mentally defective jerk.

Your "Gran'Da'Dy" is Satan himself, using you to further is destruction
of Earth by floods, hurricanes and tornadoes.

You, Warhol, are the source of that evil.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 1:44:11 AM5/27/11
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FIGHTING THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS A GAME OF INCHES...

watch this video and you will understand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rFx6OFooCs

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 2:39:23 AM5/27/11
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On May 27, 1:55 am, george <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> On May 27, 10:54 am, "Ernie" <Ernie...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > The fact remains - NASA has already explained that Earth telescopes
> > cannot be used to find the Lunar landing sites. They have no way of
> > locating these reflectors with any sort of precision. Yet, they claim
> > to be able to locate them with ease during their laser exercises.
> > Something is amiss here
>
>  Go tohttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosite...

> That we can't see the Apollo landing sites is akin to any-one on the
> Moon unable to see Mt Everest..
> There is nothing 'amiss' They know where the laser reflector is


Now you convinced me... right I see the landing site... even the first
step... wow... you killed me.

The ultimate proof BUSTED!

Moon Laser!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orvMZn8L1f0&NR=1

1 Megawatt laser Ray... Sun glass on.... oeps but where is the
beam????

The MYTHBUSTERS BUSTED!

when they do experiments and try to add some science behind it, it's
never well presented or founded.

Do they ever bust myths like religions and their prophets? I assume
they dont. And if they dont they're just priests of the religion of
materialism.

Mike Jones

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May 27, 2011, 6:18:52 AM5/27/11
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Responding to: deem...@aol.com

> On May 26, 8:06 am, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
>> Responding to: deemsb...@aol.com


>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 25, 6:38 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>>

>> >> But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
>> >> you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
>> >> through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
>> >> and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
>> >> head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
>> >> president was assassinated in Dallas.
>>
>> >>http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-
>> moon-...
>>
>> >> This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits
>> >> plain as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The
>> >> whole Space travel thing is a hoax.
>>

>> >     Gawd you're a moron.
>>
>> So where's your rational explanation about how the OP is wrong?
>>
>> Just wondering'...
>
> If the OP gives a rational post, I'll give a rational response.
> Happy?


Not really. If you're going to claim the intellectual high ground, the
least you can do is make more sense. "Yoo is stoopid!" doesn't do that.

--
*=( http://www.churchofreality.org/

Mike Jones

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May 27, 2011, 6:23:08 AM5/27/11
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Responding to: Warhol

> 1 Megawatt laser Ray... Sun glass on.... oeps but where is the beam????


You can only see a beam of light if there is material that obstructs it.
IOW, you see the /material/ being lit. As there are no dust clouds on the
moon, you're not going to see any dust particles being lit up in that
beam. You'd need to be staring directly down the lens to see it.

Also...

http://stuffucanuse.com/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm

--
*=( http://www.churchofreality.org/

Mitchell Holman

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May 27, 2011, 8:23:10 AM5/27/11
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Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:19a2c5ab-5bbb-45d6-b715-
f25d38...@p13g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

>
>
> Do they ever bust myths like religions and their prophets? I assume
> they dont.

There is no need to "bust" myth of religion. It is
per se unproveable and not real. That is why it all has
to be taken "on faith".


"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never
comes to the aid of spiritual things, but - more frequently
than not - struggles against the divine Word, treating with
contempt all that emanates from God"
Martin Luther, 1533

Iarnrod

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May 27, 2011, 8:28:22 AM5/27/11
to
On May 26, 9:24 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On May 27, 3:58 am,Iarnrod<iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 25, 4:38 pm, Asshol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>
> > Hey Asshol...
>
> > JFK was not alive when the moon landing occurred. Suggest you renew a
> > newspaper subscription or something.
>
> Hey kikerod...

BWAHAAAHAHAHAAAAA!! My Irish Catholic family laughs at you

> Just as a point of clarification,

You are not capable of "clarification," Asshol.

> the recording between President
> Kennedy and NASA Administration James Webb in 1963 was released
> (5/25/11) by the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston not by
> NASA. Please see the Kennedy Library website for audio clips and
> transcripts of this conversation.

Ummm, Kooktard, how does any of that REFUTE what I said? How does that
make JFK alive at the time of the moon landing?

Maybe you never got the news flash out of Dallas in 1963.

BWAHAHAAAAHAHAHH!!! Insane Komedy Gold from the joooooooo-hating kook!

> Then there is your continued use of another fallacy of reasoning or
> logic which is to attack the messenger while completely ignoring the
> message...

Your message is that JFK was alive in July 1969 when we landed on the
moon. Read the subject line you wrote, insane nut job.

> And don't forget to Google President John F. Kennedy - September 12,
> 1962 speech...
>
> So who looks like fArsehol now kike?

You do, not in dispute,

You have FAILED to prove your contention that JFK was alive in 1969.

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 10:42:43 AM5/27/11
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oeps the moon is made of cheese... lol... thanks for the Link.

Here a A sodium dye laser beam pierces the sky over Mt. Hamilton's
Lick Observatory on July 22, 2003....

http://sciencematters.berkeley.edu/archives/volume2/issue13/images/story1-3.jpg

A bundle of laser beams creates five artificial stars in the
ionosphere of the night sky above Mount Hopkins in Southern Arizona.

http://www.astronomy.com/~/media/import/images/9/e/5/laser_beam.ashx?bc=ffffff&mw=200

This lasers can't impossible send their ray to the moon and back...
the laser lie wont stand Warholian truth...

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 10:49:03 AM5/27/11
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NASA would never dare say that :)

You know what Kikerod... go to school and learn how to read... I won't
spend my time on a Irish count that claims to be a yidwish, who can't
read the content of a thread... I have better things to do than giving
pearls to swines...

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 11:09:18 AM5/27/11
to
On May 27, 2:23 pm, Mitchell Holman <nom...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:19a2c5ab-5bbb-45d6-b715-
> f25d384f4...@p13g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

>
>
>
> > Do they ever bust myths like religions and their prophets? I assume
> > they dont.
>
>     There is no need to "bust" myth of religion. It is
> per se unproveable and not real. That is why it all has
> to be taken "on faith".
>
> "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never
> comes to the aid of spiritual things, but - more frequently
> than not - struggles against the divine Word, treating with
> contempt all that emanates from God"
> Martin Luther, 1533

Martin was a great friend of my Gran'Da'Dy... together they have
fought the beast in many battles against her reign of terror...
Vatican and Ottoman...

But truth is not found anymore...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_and_Islam

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 12:38:03 PM5/27/11
to
On May 26, 12:38 am, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>
> But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
> you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
> through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
> and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
> head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
> president was assassinated in Dallas.
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...
>
> This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits plain
> as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The whole Space
> travel thing is a hoax.


Read this...

"The analysis, reported in Science, has looked at pockets of volcanic
material locked within tiny glass beads. It found 100 times more water
in the beads than has been measured before, and suggests that the Moon
once held a Caribbean Sea-sized volume of water."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13545848

The comedy goes on:

"In 2008, a team of researchers from the Carnegie Institution and
Brown and Case Western Reserve universities analyzed the water content
found in samples of lunar magma returned by Apollo missions."

However, the magma they studied had formed in "fire fountain" volcanic
events, much like those seen in locations on Earth such as Hawaii,
which would have boiled off much of the water that they contained.

"What we've done now is find samples of magma that are present as
'inclusions' that are trapped inside solid crystals called olivine,"
explained Erik Hauri, a geochemist from the Carnegie Institution and
lead author of the new research.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13545848
----------

There you have it folks. Shills are wasting their time thinking up
bullshit because real chemistry and science is difficult. Maybe that's
why the medical community has become stagnant and can't cure any
diseases, there is no true focus like there once was from that great
generation of doctors and chemists like Louis Pasteur (1866), Koch
(tuberculosis 1882), Banting, Best (insulin 1922), Fleming (penicillin
1928), Kolff (dialysis 1943), Salk (polio 1952) and all the rest in
between who gave us the vaccinations.

1... There are no possibilities of the existence of Volcanoes on
remnants and pieces of planets which is what all MOONS are.
You need an active planet, with an active core to heat the fairytale
lava (MAGMA) for Volcanoes.

2... Magma is rock, and even a child knows there is no water in rocks.

3... Even if there are some here on Usenet with an arrested cerebral
cortex who believe that rocks do contain water the heated temperature
of magma would certainly evaporate this moisture post-quick.

4... MAGMA doesn't get trapped in crystal because its HOT.

5... When magma from fairytale volcanoes does cool it never forms any
crystal.

Rocks that do contain crystal like granite were formed when My
Gran'Da'Dy made the earth.

Bob Casanova

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May 27, 2011, 12:47:20 PM5/27/11
to
On Thu, 26 May 2011 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by george <gbl...@hnpl.net>:

>On May 27, 7:54 am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 May 2011 15:38:06 -0700 (PDT), the following
>> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Warhol
>> <mol...@hotmail.com>:
>>

>> >JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>>

>> Language isn't your first language, is it? *Nothing* in the
>> article says it was a "fake", only that he was worried that
>> it wasn't worth what it was costing.
>>
>> You really are a moron, aren't you?
>>

>> >But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
>> >you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
>> >through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
>> >and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
>> >head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
>> >president was assassinated in Dallas.
>>
>> >http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...
>>
>> >This is why he was killed, (among many other things).
>>

>> He was killed by a nutjob. If Oswald were alive today he'd
>> be cheering you on.
>>

>> > He admits plain
>> >as day that the cost did not justify the end results.
>>

>> He stated that opinion, yes.
>>

>> >The whole Space
>> >travel thing is a hoax.
>>

>> Classic non sequitur.
>
>Remember that warhol posted a photo of a meteorite sourced from NASA
>by a passing spacecraft that transmitted the image back to Earth when
>he was claiming that thousands of meteorites were going to crash to
>Earth...

...and the fact that the image was sent via radio, which he
claims doesn't work in a vacuum, seems to have eluded him.
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

Bob Casanova

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On Thu, 26 May 2011 14:02:33 -0700 (PDT), the following

appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Warhol
<mol...@hotmail.com>:

>Actually...you're the one that needs the grammar lesson:
>
>to prove-
>
>he proves- present
>he proved- past
>He has proven- past participle
>It is proven (as an adjective)

Thanks, although what this has to do with my post, or with
your idiotic claims, is a bit obscure.

You seem to really love non sequiturs.

Bob Casanova

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May 27, 2011, 12:50:45 PM5/27/11
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On Thu, 26 May 2011 14:02:51 -0700 (PDT), the following

appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Warhol
<mol...@hotmail.com>:

>On May 26, 10:26 pm, george <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:

>> Remember that warhol posted a photo of a meteorite sourced from NASA
>> by a passing spacecraft that transmitted the image back to Earth when
>> he was claiming that thousands of meteorites were going to crash to
>> Earth...
>
>

>you certainly stink rat... even you pretend to be a chicken.... you
>stink like a rat.
>
>And dont forget that the Torah is a Moorish storybook....

And don't forget that the image was sent to Earth via radio,
which you assert doesn't work in a vacuum.

Bob Casanova

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May 27, 2011, 12:51:29 PM5/27/11
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On Thu, 26 May 2011 15:43:20 -0700 (PDT), the following

appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Warhol
<mol...@hotmail.com>:

>On May 26, 11:50 pm, george <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:

>> You really don't have to try to look like a kook.
>> You attained that qualification way way back...
>
>
>
>A strange protest coming from you.

It's not a protest; it's an observation.

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 1:09:20 PM5/27/11
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Sure?... coming from the King of the rats... what a joke... Casanova
you certainly are from the family of george? no?

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 1:34:01 PM5/27/11
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The image was taken here on Earth in some very secret studio of the
NASA... just observe the perfect lighting of the Rock... So Conclusion
again a HOAX to steal people money with tin air stories...

Until Now Not One Object has been Brought Successfully into Orbit...
let stand fly to an unknown destinations in space... second point is
they can never do what they claim to do... simply because they don't
have the exact value of PI... without the correct PI no space travel
is ever possible, even if we had the technology... so in space
navigation using a flat pi value lead the travelers going greatly
astray.

I am not a mathematician; just a pediatrician who tries to reduce his
personal ignorance load when he can. As such, I am dependent on my
sources.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_soiNif0w_GE/Rd6EJcW65iI/AAAAAAAAANM/4Jk8GeBk7xk/s320/Virgin_Galactic.jpg

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 1:57:36 PM5/27/11
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do you know you are off topic in thread...

I have thread running here in this groups where I explained all
question why air waves don't travel in vacuum space... no aether is
found for the mechanics...

Oeps the thread is gone... erased from the usenet servers.

Where is my topic? hah... Wow I must have hit the nerve again...

Here we go again...

Radio-waves are electromagnetic, and for this, a proper medium of
conductibility is needed. On earth this medium is the air. In Space
there is no air for the transmission of Radio-waves and thereby no
communication from NASA's alleged travels to Space can be established.

The giant cock-tail umbrella Apollo-11 used as antenna is FAKE

All audio & video from ISS & Shuttle are prerecorded and therewith,
FAKE also.

Radio-waves work solely and exclusively in air.

Radio-waves do not work underwater where there is no air and cannot
work in outer-space where there is no air either, and by that, there
is no medium of conductibility for the transmission of Radio-waves.

Mike Jones

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May 27, 2011, 2:31:58 PM5/27/11
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Responding to: Warhol


Er, say what?

Is English not your first language then?

--
*=( http://www.churchofreality.org/

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 3:02:42 PM5/27/11
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This will work*** Lets beat them at their own game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxP6FD4HLuY

george

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May 27, 2011, 4:14:40 PM5/27/11
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Yup.
He takes being wrong into an art form...
A BS artist

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 5:20:44 PM5/27/11
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true... they never make sens... atleast I try to explain my point of
view... and what do we get from them...

Always the same unrational trolling responses... What's long black and
hard?

~~

In Meantime... "the holy grail"... THINGS TO COME.

http://pifroggi.weebly.com/uploads/3/5/9/8/3598798/project_icarus.bmp

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/spacecraft/hotol/skylon-schem.gif

* The Skylon will launch like a conventional aircraft and reach low-
Earth orbit without the help of expendable (and expensive) booster
rockets.
* After 30 years on the drawing board, funding is finally being
allocated to this innovative design.
* It is hoped that the spaceplane will make access to space cheaper
and more routine.

*** LETS WELCOME THE NEW SPACE SHUTTLE REPLACEMENT ***

http://news.discovery.com/space/zooms/spaceplane-flight-aeronautics.html

The Skylon model was built up from many sections of wood, sanded
smooth and then coated with resin gel.

http://www.smallspace.demon.co.uk/Model_Services/Skylon/SKYLON1.JPG

Is an unpiloted and reusable spacecraft that can launch into low-Earth
orbit after taking off from a conventional runway... WOW.

Looking like something out of Star Wars, Skylon is a self-contained,
single stage, all-in-one reusable space vehicle. There are no
expensive booster rockets, external fuel tanks or huge launch
facilities needed.

The high flyer PROJECT ICARUS: Conventional Propulsion to Support an
Interstellar Probe

pretty cool looking... but can it fly will be the Question, The Cylons
called it Skylon to make us think it's not them. Sneaky sneaky
Cylons.

Conclusion...
http://uweb.ucsb.edu/~l_mora/7D/icarus.jpg

PSS But that's the German cigar craft thats been in development since
the late 1800s.

BDK

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May 27, 2011, 5:28:17 PM5/27/11
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In article <iroqmu$m9r$4...@dasteem.eternal-september.org>,
lu...@dasteem.invalid says...

His first is Batshit Crazy, then Moopish. English is well down on the
list.

Seon

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May 27, 2011, 6:35:47 PM5/27/11
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"Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:38e4c955-17c1-45a2...@g28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 26, 11:11 am, "Seon" <seonfergu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:eaa43dfc-2f1a-42a3...@x1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...


>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > JFK Admits in secret OVal Office Recording...Moon landing was FAKE
>>
>> > But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when
>> > you can go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically
>> > through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt
>> > and it isn't worth that many billions," Kennedy told James Webb, the
>> > head of NASA, on Sept. 18, 1963, just over two months before the
>> > president was assassinated in Dallas.
>>
>> >http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/jfk-worried-moon-...
>>
>> > This is why he was killed, (among many other things). He admits plain
>> > as day that the cost did not justify the end results. The whole Space
>> > travel thing is a hoax.
>>
>> "But this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when you
>> can
>> go -- you can learn most of that you want scientifically through
>> instruments
>> and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt and it isn't worth that
>> many
>> billions"
>>

>> Is not admitting it was faked. He said the moon landing was a stunt in
>> the
>> way that he didn't think it was worth the cost. I guess he changed his
>> mind...
>
>
> please shills... I know you are deceived... so don't come here whine
> that he said this or that...
>
> He Received a Bullet in the head... as the many others, we never have
> heard off...

So pointing out what the actual article said makes me a shill? Sorry I guess
that's another word for "heretic" according to your kook religion.

Seon

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May 27, 2011, 6:36:28 PM5/27/11
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"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:41f16d14-e85b-484a...@s41g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

> Then where exactly is your fly-by-rocket lander of that era, that can
> be easily mass scaled to suit and demonstrated without ever getting
> its crew killed in the process?
>
> btw, no powerful momentum reaction wheels allowed or any computers or
> sensors any better than the Apollo era, and lets see your sudden drop
> from 2.5 km/sec and downrange soft landings.
>
*sigh* I was pointing out what the article actually said. Not your kook
spin.

> http://www.wanttoknow.info/
> http://translate.google.com/#
> Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
>

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 7:16:10 PM5/27/11
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Sure you are a know sHiLLonG... and certainly you will walk the plank
and burn to ashes... so is the destiny for the Coffee boy's.

I am the heretic here for you certainly... and my ancestor where also
called heretics by the papal nations... Eye for Eye... Now you shall
burn on your turn.

We came out of the fire... we shall now see if they will walk through
the fire as we did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL0xN1R7qwM

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 7:26:52 PM5/27/11
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We are about to do the fire walk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qleDm-qW9ko

Show me the weather channel satellite of clouds swilling in circular
motion again, because that's exactly how the clouds swirl in the real
sky when I look up. All swirling together like cotton-candy, ha ha ha
ha!

Show me earth Google again and tell me how that camera can pierce
through the clouds and keep photographing the spinning-spherical-
earth, ha ha ha ha!


The Godless men of science are an obstacle to Mankind.

Their science theories are crafty lies to mislead the population from
ever achieving the order of their creation, thus, the Priests of NASA
maintaining their strangle-hold on their minds control the wealth.

My Gran'Da'Dy created us that wealth should be dispersed evenly to all
and everyone, as you can see this isn't what is happening.

Doesn't it make you just a little bit sad to know that even children
in grade 1 have a better understanding of science than you do?

Oh wait a sec, children in grade 1 aren't mentioned in the book of
enoch, so I guess they don't exist either, hey?

Father Haskell

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May 27, 2011, 7:52:26 PM5/27/11
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On May 26, 1:39 am, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> So you still think you can fly into orbit and stay there???

Considering we've launched enough junk into orbit
to give Earth its own ring, I'd say it's not a problem.

Father Haskell

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May 27, 2011, 7:56:52 PM5/27/11
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On May 27, 7:26 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > The Godless men of science are an obstacle to Mankind.

The godless men of science have been a blessing to
mankind, it's the idiots who are an obstacle, same as
they are at the grocery store when you're in a hurry
to get your chips and club soda through the cashier's.

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 8:10:12 PM5/27/11
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a invisible ring?

The Road to Al Maghreb... the western land of the rising Sun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmEzM3ZiWB4

Speed of light is officially a scam & fraud. -- I did it!

Father Haskell

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May 27, 2011, 8:13:38 PM5/27/11
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On May 27, 11:09 am, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Martin was a great friend of my Gran'Da'Dy... together they have
> fought the beast in many battles against her reign of terror...
> Vatican and Ottoman...

Isn't Martin the one who nailed his 99 feces to the
church door?

Father Haskell

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May 27, 2011, 8:17:35 PM5/27/11
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On May 27, 8:10 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 28, 1:52 am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 26, 1:39 am, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > So you still think you can fly into orbit and stay there???
>
> > Considering we've launched enough junk into orbit
> > to give Earth its own ring, I'd say it's not a problem.
>
> a invisible ring?

http://tinyurl.com/3oo4szh

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 8:50:50 PM5/27/11
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You call what the Priests of NASA wrote in their Holy Books common
sense? -- You need to take in a dose of reality.

The one reality of this dark matter is that Radio-waves are not Light,
and if you can't see this then you are clearly in the DARK, ha ha ha
ha!

Radio-waves are invisible

Light isn't

CLEARLY not the same.

OMG ---- you need to study more!
Your eyes are very slow, and cannot see but a minimal amount of the
light spectrum!

You can't see 186,000 miles a second! Your eye balls would never be
able to detect that from your shadow!

Now --- you can measure the speed of light simply by bouncing a laser
beam off the reflectors on the moon. If your not smart enough to do
the math, then except the 186,000 miles per second.

As far as light being the fastest medium in the universe ----- now
that's something you can try to debunk.

The "visible window" is so called because it overlaps the human
visible response spectrum. The near infrared (NIR) windows lie just
out of human response window, and the Medium Wavelength IR (MWIR) and
Long Wavelength or Far Infrared (LWIR or FIR) are far beyond the human
response region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum

So the question is can you get a shorter wavelength than what is in
the light spectrum ( not to be confused with the human response
spectrum)?

YOU CAN'T BEAT YOUR OWN SHADOW -- only retards see themselves beating
their own shadow!

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 8:51:38 PM5/27/11
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what is this?

fergo

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May 27, 2011, 9:02:06 PM5/27/11
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"Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:56204c64-d14f-4f8d...@m10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

Being called a "Shill" by you kooks is the same as being called a heretic by
the church. All I do is disagree with the 911 religion or in this case moon
landing conspiracy religion and all of a sudden, I'm a "Shill"
All for pointing out what JFK actually said, according to the article you
cited.

Brad Guth

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May 27, 2011, 9:07:14 PM5/27/11
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> Conclusion...http://uweb.ucsb.edu/~l_mora/7D/icarus.jpg

>
> PSS But that's the German cigar craft thats been in development since
> the late 1800s.

Skylon with a maximum payload may end up requiring a pair of reusable
boosters, but those boosters could be relatively compact and clean
burning of HTP plus a little hydrocarbon.

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 9:51:19 PM5/27/11
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Martin refused to pay the "TITHE" (Ransom) to the pope or to the King
of Spain, and so the revolts started... And the pope and his Nations
got very afraid and so started again to pay their tribute that
belonged to my Gran'Da'Dy...

The Lion is My Gran'Da'Dy... The Lion of the Atlas...

Here my Gran'Da'Dy fighting alone against many(Nations)
http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/vale001nede01_01/vale001nede01ill76.gif

My Gran'Da'Dy is Holding the Arrows and the Sword and the pope trying
to steal the arrows fallen... Symbols of Power found today on an
American symbol... the Eagle.

Than we see the pope and his papal allies nations propose peace or
war... and my Gran'Da'Dy standing with the Lance in his hands...

http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/vale001nede01_01/vale001nede01ill82.gif

Than this next images show us that the negotiation ended with the
payment by the Papal Nations Ransom to the Lion of the Atlas...

http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/vale001nede01_01/vale001nede01ill83a.gif

Now comes the best.... see here with your own eyes....

http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/vale001nede01_01/vale001nede01ill100.gif

Everybody paid since his Temple Ransom to the Hassaniyin Sallee
Rovers... it's only in the beginning of the 19th century that some
papal Nation stopped to pay their Temple tribute to the Knight Templar
s of the Order of saint Andrew and the other Nation also stopped to
pay their ransom since the begining of the 20th century... Hitler
looked for the Lance that belonged to the lion, the saint of the Moors
and the protestants... the Lance of St. Maurice(Moor)... His Spear of
Destiny... That spear is my rod.

The Catholics made of the story this...

http://margranger.free.fr/maurice.jpg

of course they made my Gran'Da'Dy the Lion of the Atlas look a
blackmoor.

Infact if you study this last painting of Maurish... than you see the
knight with his hand open, asking to the pope to hand over what is
rightfully his...

Otherwise not one will survive the wrath my ancestors have prepared
for the fallen ones.

The Road to the Western land is the Maghreb... The Land of the Old man
of the Mountain... Hassan El Mesbahi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmEzM3ZiWB4&feature=share

Warhol

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May 27, 2011, 10:49:44 PM5/27/11
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So you people will let them perpetuate yet another hoax with your
money?.... this one is really the big thing....

"Interstellar Probe"... Wow... what a giant lie... I will let them
prove me they can fly that plastic thing into orbit... I tell you
this time they will fall as Icarus felt when he came to close to the
sun...

PROJECT ICARUS: DEADLY IMPACT...
http://uweb.ucsb.edu/~l_mora/7D/icarus.jpg

panam...@hotmail.com

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May 27, 2011, 11:15:01 PM5/27/11
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On May 27, 8:50 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 28, 1:56 am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 27, 7:26 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The Godless men of science are an obstacle to Mankind.
>
> > The godless men of science have been a blessing to
> > mankind, it's the idiots who are an obstacle, same as
> > they are at the grocery store when you're in a hurry
> > to get your chips and club soda through the cashier's.
>
> You call what the Priests of NASA wrote in their Holy Books common
> sense? -- You need to take in a dose of reality.

And *you* need to take a dose of Prozac, you fucking loon. Damn, I
hope your idiocy gets you killed one day.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain

Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html

Olrik

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May 28, 2011, 12:12:38 AM5/28/11
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Do you realize that if you could prove that, you'd become very rich
famous? You'd also be responsible for all those millions upon millions
of GPS devices and satellite TVs to just instantaneously stop working.

You'd become GOD!

Go for it!

Olrik

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May 28, 2011, 12:32:29 AM5/28/11
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EM waves are *not* "air waves".

> no aether is found for the mechanics...

And none is needed.

>
> Oeps the thread is gone... erased from the usenet servers.
>
> Where is my topic? hah... Wow I must have hit the nerve again...
>
> Here we go again...
>
> Radio-waves are electromagnetic, and for this, a proper medium of
> conductibility is needed.

No.

> On earth this medium is the air.

No.

> In Space there is no air for the transmission of Radio-waves and thereby no
> communication from NASA's alleged travels to Space can be established.

Light is a radio wave.

Here's a few of them:

http://lot.astro.utoronto.ca/spectrum.html

> The giant cock-tail umbrella Apollo-11 used as antenna is FAKE

Evidence?

> All audio& video from ISS& Shuttle are prerecorded and therewith,
> FAKE also.

Evidence?

> Radio-waves work solely and exclusively in air.

False.

And BTW, why is it that they can't penetrate concrete or Faraday cages
while sound can? Please explain.

> Radio-waves do not work underwater where there is no air

Only at some frequencies. You can see light through water.

> and cannot work in outer-space where there is no air either, and by that, there
> is no medium of conductibility for the transmission of Radio-waves.

False.

Ya know, freak, there are a lot of kooks out there, but you're the only
one who denies electromagnetic wave propagation in a vacuum.

Are you trying to out-troll the regular trolls? Is there a troll Olympics?

Olrik

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May 28, 2011, 12:47:13 AM5/28/11
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On 2011-05-27 23:15, panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On May 27, 8:50 pm, Warhol<mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 28, 1:56 am, Father Haskell<fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On May 27, 7:26 pm, Warhol<mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The Godless men of science are an obstacle to Mankind.
>>
>>> The godless men of science have been a blessing to
>>> mankind, it's the idiots who are an obstacle, same as
>>> they are at the grocery store when you're in a hurry
>>> to get your chips and club soda through the cashier's.
>>
>> You call what the Priests of NASA wrote in their Holy Books common
>> sense? -- You need to take in a dose of reality.
>
> And *you* need to take a dose of Prozac, you fucking loon. Damn, I
> hope your idiocy gets you killed one day.

Sadly, I think he's already dead, in a way...

george

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May 28, 2011, 1:14:06 AM5/28/11
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On May 28, 4:47 pm, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 2011-05-27 23:15, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 27, 8:50 pm, Warhol<mol...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
> >> On May 28, 1:56 am, Father Haskell<fatherhask...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> On May 27, 7:26 pm, Warhol<mol...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >>>>> The Godless men of science are an obstacle to Mankind.
>
> >>> The godless men of science have been a blessing to
> >>> mankind, it's the idiots who are an obstacle, same as
> >>> they are at the grocery store when you're in a hurry
> >>> to get your chips and club soda through the cashier's.
>
> >> You call what the Priests of NASA wrote in their Holy Books common
> >> sense? -- You need to take in a dose of reality.
>
> > And *you* need to take a dose of Prozac, you fucking loon. Damn, I
> > hope your idiocy gets you killed one day.
>
> Sadly, I think he's already dead, in a way...
>
But only from the neck up

Olrik

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May 28, 2011, 1:17:25 AM5/28/11
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I think that's pretty much where it counts!

:-)

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