Please post your reply. Thank you, Courbet.
In article <4f1m3e$f...@maureen.teleport.com>, rfr...@teleport.com says...
>
>Nobel Prize Winners Ask The Remaining UFO Debunkers to "Come Out Of The
>Closet"/Debunkers Should Be "Horsewhipped."
>
> Feb. 4, 1996 (AP)- Meeting today at Geneva, Switzerland, over 100 of
>the top Nobel Prize Winners in science got together for some serious
>discussions. Among the matters discussed was the planet's weather
>changes relating to global warming, the condition of the Earths ocean's
>and the last remaining UFO skeptics who are desperately covering up
>the alien presence. These top prize winners in physics, chemistry ,
>physiology and medicine held closed-door meetings and other ones that
>were open to the public.
>
> Leading scientists from the United States, Japan, England and
>Germany made a special appeal today for the last few UFO debunkers to,
>"come out of the closet" in regards to the truth about the
>extraterrestrials. "The gig is up, the whole world knows they are
>here," a chemistry Nobel Prize winner announced. Continuing, he said
>"These die hard fools are holding back science for their own
>self-promoting, and self-serving goals. They should be taken to the
>barn and horsewhipped."
>
> Citing evidence that includes millions upon millions of UFO
>sightings from around the world, tens of thousands of animal
>mutilations, thousands of crop-pictograms stamped in wheat fields,
>thousands of radioactive landing trace-cases and millions of alien
>abductions of humans, these scientists declared they have had enough of
>UFO debunkers. "These "useful idiots" may have served a purpose back in
>the 1950's, but that was almost fifty years ago. They should quit
>living in the past, pick up their last checks and go fishing." The UFO
>community and the honest researchers totally agreed with that
>assessment!
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------
>
>"We must learn the truth. And proceed to cover-up the truth from the
>general public. We will tell them what they should know and what they
>shouldn't know. We know better than the public about the truth.
> --- Doug Weller
>
>
Please be careful which lists your followups go to, some folks may be sick
of this guy already and don't want to hear it.
Well, he's a misguided individual in any case, I guess we should just
ignore him either way.
> Dr. Frager, where did you receive this Associated Press (AP) release from?
> The AP has no record of this newswire feed being released on the 3rd or 4th
> of February 1996. I am interested in following up on this article, but it
> does not appear to have been released by the AP. Could you please cite your
> source so that I may add it to my archives?
>
> Please post your reply. Thank you, Courbet.
Hi Courbet,
Whoever posts under the name "Dr. Richard Frager" is not a doctor,
someone made up the so-called AP article (hm, I'll be the Associated Press
would be interested in this -- what's their email address?).
And the quote at the end purportedly by me is also a lie.
> In article <4f1m3e$f...@maureen.teleport.com>, rfr...@teleport.com says...
> >
> >Nobel Prize Winners Ask The Remaining UFO Debunkers to "Come Out Of The
> >Closet"/Debunkers Should Be "Horsewhipped."
[Porkey pies SNIPPED]
--
Doug Weller
"We must know the truth, and we must love the truth we know,
and we must act according to the measure of our love." Thomas Merton
***'De Chelonian Mobile!'***
Feb. 4, 1996 (AP)- Meeting today at Geneva, Switzerland, over 100 of
BP
--
Disclaimer: I'm gettin' old. I used to have thoughts, but now ...
> Nobel Prize Winners Ask The Remaining UFO Debunkers to "Come Out Of The
> Closet"/Debunkers Should Be "Horsewhipped."
>
> Feb. 4, 1996 (AP)- ...
> Citing evidence that includes millions upon millions of UFO
> sightings from around the world, tens of thousands of animal
> mutilations, thousands of crop-pictograms stamped in wheat fields,
> thousands of radioactive landing trace-cases and millions of alien
> abductions of humans, these scientists declared they have had enough of
> UFO debunkers. "These "useful idiots" may have served a purpose back in
> the 1950's, but that was almost fifty years ago. They should quit
> living in the past, pick up their last checks and go fishing." The UFO
> community and the honest researchers totally agreed with that
> assessment!
Um, "Dr." <giggle>, could you a) provide me with a newspaper this appeared
in or where you got this report and b) explain to me why this report
includes the last line of blatant editorializing? Did you add it? What
else did you add?
Doug, I don't have an e-mail address for the Associated Press, but you
can find them in the Yellow Pages under "News Services". They have an
office in most metropolitan areas. I hope this helps. Thanks, Courbet
Line up for your horeswhipping, Debunkers.
And remember - it will hurt me more than you!!!
Wait a second,
wait a second,
Forget the horsewhipping--
A few alien Pleadians have a BETTER idea -
Meet at Area 51 at 0800 hours, and don't be late this time, debunkers.
The implants have to be installed in your brains at the precise moment
or else your face melts.
AT EASE!!
Anyway, a common technique of a debunker is to ask for endless
references. Which is a tangent of rule #1 of the debunker, I'm sure you
know it by heart:
Attack the person, not the evidence.
Hey! I don't blame you guys, since the evidence to prove the existence
of ETs is overwhelming, and to prove that UFO debunking is a stated goal
of the government and military. No biggy, you keep debunking and we
will keep listing UFO sightings around the Globe, animal mutilations,
alien UFO trace cases, crop circles and picto-grams, and alien
abductions of humans.
But, if you guys have to debunk, good luck, you are only fooling
yourselves, and your not even doing that well!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Forget the truth, because we can't tell the truth, because if we did,
then it would be all over .... for us. ---------Doggy Q. Weller!!
A lie!! Not that is something you and Poor Deano are experts at!! Hey,
maybe it's another Doug Weller! Did you ever think about that, no!!!
Anyway, there are quite a few good hypno-therapists in England for you
to go to. Don't waste any more of your time, Doug. Destiny waits, but
extraterrestrials don't!
Crop-circle season is coming up, let's meet and I'll introduce you to
the makers of them. But keep that silly t-shirt at home this time, you
know the one that says:
"I was abducted by aliens - but all I got was this lousy t-shirt."
See you soon, Doug. How about at Area-51 again????
PS - I like the new debunkers, a few of the old ones were getting a bit
stale, don't you think so!!!!
The only overwhelming evidence is that you are a total flake.
Perhaps you are trying to discredit UFO believers in a manner
similar to Mark Hines. Whereas Mark portrays the stark raving
mad paranoid lunatic type, you pick up the slack as the more
run-of-the-mill harmless, scatterbrained nut case variety.
In both cases however, you are each endlessly repetitious
and exceptionally dull and boring.
Dean, I hate to break it to you like this, but, well, I agree!
Frager is not helping any serious discussion of the subject
with his adolescent junk.
> Nobel Prize Winners Ask The Remaining UFO Debunkers to "Come Out Of The
> Closet"/Debunkers Should Be "Horsewhipped."
>
> Feb. 4, 1996 (AP)- ....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> REMAINING BULLSHIT DELETED <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I hope this was meant as an attempt at humor. As such, it was amusing, but
not hilarious. Better than Mark Hines, but then who isn't. 8-]
If it was serious, it was a piss-poor attempt at spoofing an AP news release.
Richard
>Dean, I hate to break it to you like this, but, well, I agree!
>Frager is not helping any serious discussion of the subject
>with his adolescent junk.
>
>BP
File this one under 'Z' with the other drivel that does nothing to aid the
search for truth. Faking AP press releases is in some ways even more
destructive than ZetaDriv (bs)
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--
Bye... Ted..
Deep in the Heart of the Armpits of Houston, Texas...
Dr. Frager,
I apologize if I hurt your feelings. I should have said, "Please post your
reply," instead of, "Please reply." By the way, I have no desire to "slam"
Brian Zeiler. I believe he's doing something worthwhile in the area of
UFO investigations (and he's a much better sport than you are.) He has not
lost his credibility by posting fraudulent or hoax Associated Press articles.
(The reason for doing this still eludes me.)
My questions still remain unanswered. What field of study is your doctorate?
When and where did you receive your degree? You're already guilty of
perpetrating a hoax in the form of a spurious AP newswire release, so don't
commit yourself to more inaccuracies.
Please post your reply. Thank you, Courbet _ ._. .._ ....
Yeah, he's really funny. NOT
Frager is an insulting adolescent who is glad that some people seem to
have to talk about him. A loser in my book, and I wish the Romper Room
thread was still open, so he'd have a home at last.
> Courbet, I would love to respond to you, but you didn't leave your
> e-mail address. Although, you did fill up mine with a bunch of drivel.
> And you bedunkers slam Brian for maybe one or two he has sent. I still
> say that all the debunkers put together wouldn't equal one of Brians
> shoe lace!! [Yes, Deano - you can have the shoelace!!]
>
> Anyway, a common technique of a debunker is to ask for endless
> references. Which is a tangent of rule #1 of the debunker, I'm sure you
> know it by heart:
>
> Attack the person, not the evidence.
>
Frager, you're SUCH a waste of time. In all of your myriad posts,
zillions and zillions that we have been exposed to, I can't recall ONE
where you attacked the EVIDENCE and NOT the PERSON.
I think you must be a politician. I've never seen anyone so good at
blaming everyone else for a bad trait while exhibiting it themselves every
day.
Government testing to be sure not alien contact.
"thousands of crop-pictograms stamped in wheat fields,"
Total hoax. Crop circles are not anything but someones joke on people.
"thousands of radioactive landing trace-cases and millions of alien
abductions of humans,"
Where is the proof?
"these scientists declared they have had enough of UFO debunkers."
And I have had enough of believing what can't be proved"
Malis.
>ATTENTION!!!
>Forget the horsewhipping--
>AT EASE!!
If the good Dr. Frager did not exist, I would have to invent him.
> Leading scientists from the United States, Japan, England and
>Germany made a special appeal today for the last few UFO debunkers to,
>"come out of the closet" in regards to the truth about the
>extraterrestrials. "The gig is up, the whole world knows they are
>here," a chemistry Nobel Prize winner announced.
It is a inherent fact to the Nobel-committee that Nobel Prize winners have
no names and live in absolute secrecy. Therefore I fully understand that
you cannot give us the names of the "scientist". :-)
min...@toppoint.de..............................(Bernd P.F. Kassler)
- erratic othography is intended to contribute to common amusement -
"Ja, was ich hier geschrieben habe, macht im Einzelnen ueberhaupt nicht
den Anspruch auf Neuheit; und darum gebe ich auch keine Quellen an (...)"
>Dr. Frager, where did you receive this Associated Press (AP) release from?
>The AP has no record of this newswire feed being released on the 3rd or 4th
>of February 1996.
This was a mistake of course.
It's not AP ist AFP (Agence France Press).
min...@toppoint.de..............................(Bernd P.F. Kassler)
- erratic othography is intended to contribute to common amusement -
"Wer's glaubt wird selig :-) "
>"I was abducted by aliens - but all I got was this lousy t-shirt."
>
Seems to be a TV-event this evening (FEB 7th) with a title like that.
21 : 40 h German time on the First German TV programm (the public = not
private one). I wonder what they are presenting us.
The ad in the newspaper reads:
..............................................
*Kidnapped* *by* *Ufos* *?*
Encounters of the 4th kind.
A film by Heinz Rohde.
The author spoke to two persons who were "kindnapped" by aliens, and are
reporting from their extraordinary encounter.
It could not be found that these two told lies nor could mental disorder
be found at them.
...............................................
(Ok - OK; my translational competence is limited, I know ........ )
I wonder what the state-controlled TV will tell us about this.
I hope some of you can see it via satellite :-)
I'll watch it.
min...@toppoint.de..............................(Bernd P.F. Kassler)
- erratic othography is intended to contribute to common amusement -
Nope, the problem is frager's severe humor impairment.
Hmmmm, it would appear that the UFO advocates have gotten themselves a
woody-bot to be their new cheerleader. Now it can argue banaly just like the
scientologists bots in a.r.s do.
Are they proud of this? Is this responsible argueing? All I've seen from
this 'Dr. Frager' is a batch of repeated arguements that attack, never
defend and misconstrue everthing said.
Matt Kriebel * This .sig is no longer small or easily digestible!
got...@netaxs.com * No, I'm not a goth. I just have an architecture fetish.
*************************************************************************
Time for Oobleck!
>Ted Viens <dr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>GOOD GRIEF... Mr. nom de plume Frager is engaging in PARODY and
>>SATIRE... Do we have a severe humour impairment problem here or what??
>Nope, the problem is frager's severe humor impairment.
C'mon, Dean, take your UFO Debunker horsewhipping like a MAN!!!
The Greys will supervise!!!
Don't cry, Dean, Oberg is next!!!
-Dr. Richard Frager
Dear old Doug is looking through his book of lies and distortions for
some more disinfo. Can't wait for his next set of untruths!!
But you can rest assured, that they will be back with Rule #1 of the
debunker (even as we speak) which is:
Attack the person, not the evidence. HEY! IF I was in their shoes, I
would do the same, even if it involves a horsewhipping or two.
Happy Debunking.
Cheers.
I have to rate you a 10 on a 1-10 scale as far as rabidity goes, you are
even more obnoxious than Dean. Dean only knows 5 words, at least your
vocabulary is bigger. Bravo!
I wonder why you are so furiously in trying to cover-up the alien
presence? I agree, the information has implications that are
far-reaching and some of the information is quite disturbing. And the
eventual revelations will have profound implications. Ask farmers who
have lost cattle to ETs or the abductees themselves. That is if you can
find the time to get off your duff, away from the computer screen, and
do some real research. Dear old Deano is strapped to a chair at the
secret alien-human base in Dulce, New Mexico, so that's his excuse. And
Douggy is weighed down by his pseudo-intellectualism, and that's his
excuse. What's yours, running of the mouth?
Anyway, your bullying approach has already been tried. It doesn't work.
But do try again, it's funny. "We" are having a luagh riot.
Happy Debunking.
Cheers.
Shouldn't that be "you're?"
Since you're supposedly a docotor of some sort I figure you would know
such things.
Heh. :-)
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: I have to rate you a 10 on a 1-10 scale as far as rabidity goes, you are
: even more obnoxious than Dean. Dean only knows 5 words, at least your
: vocabulary is bigger. Bravo!
: I wonder why you are so furiously in trying to cover-up the alien
: presence? I agree, the information has implications that are
: far-reaching and some of the information is quite disturbing. And the
: eventual revelations will have profound implications. Ask farmers who
: have lost cattle to ETs or the abductees themselves.
Wow. Interstellar cattle rustlers.
That is if you can
: find the time to get off your duff, away from the computer screen, and
: do some real research. Dear old Deano is strapped to a chair at the
: secret alien-human base in Dulce, New Mexico, so that's his excuse. And
: Douggy is weighed down by his pseudo-intellectualism, and that's his
: excuse. What's yours, running of the mouth?
: Anyway, your bullying approach has already been tried. It doesn't work.
: But do try again, it's funny. "We" are having a luagh riot.
: Happy Debunking.
: Cheers.
--
C. Lesley "Be uncomfortable; be sand, not oil, in the machine
of the world." --- Gunther Eich
You do seem to know this technique well, "Dicky".
Dean Adams Wrote:
>Nope, the problem is frager's severe humor impairment.
I'm including this remark (down below) from the last post showing what a
hypocrytical bafoon he is. Go away Dean, you are an annoying person who
has nothing to contribute but garbage and attacking drivel yourself. You
are a lost cause and a waste of everyone's time. You are so sad it is not
even funny. If you supported your debunkery with the slightest bit of
information as to why you say what you do I would have the slightest
modicom of respect for you. Ge, I wonder why you are often the butt of
jokes. I have no problem with skepticism and doubt, but pure egomaniacal
debunkery is a waste of anyone's time.
Jon Strauss
>>>Frager is not helping any serious discussion of the subject
>>>with his adolescent junk.
"It seems nowadays that one's investment in a particular world view is
more important than the truth. Even our most respected scientists have
become propagandists in the name of science. These individuals then
become like the Cardinals of the Inquisition. The methods of the
Inquisition seem to be with us, except now they are cleverly disguised."
Dr Brian O'leary from Miracle in the Void
^
^ ^
^ ^
^ ^ ^ ^
-Adam
-Adam
>And I have had enough of believing what can't be proved"
Do you believe in a divine being?
Hmm?
- Pete (a lurker, to be sure...)
--
aj...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (cycle-ling)
Mail me for info on some deals on Suntour componentry! I am authorized
to sell it by e-mail... if we don't have it, we'll get it!
Who's asking you to? You have your own individually determined
requirements for proof. Nobody's asking you to believe anything
you don't want to. At most, people are simply asking you to
consider that you just might not be omnipotent, and that some
things people have told you in the past might not be completely
accurate.
Besides, if something is proven, you don't have to believe in it,
it just *is.*
Twithcy, I got your check ready. It's for $2.50!! I hope we're not
overpaying you. About the fishing part, maybe we can skip Oregon. It
has flooded over here in Oregon, due to global warming (weather
extremes) and deforestation. So maybe we can fly over to Area-51 and go
fishing for aliens. I've heard high-powered lights, audio tapes of UFOs
and thought-projection should do the trick. Do you have any other ideas
for the bait??? Maybe we can skin a Reptoid or two and send it back to
them! Kind of a reverse animal mutilation, we can call it an alien
mutilation. We can tell the aliens its for our biological processes or
something like that.
Perhaps we can put on those 1950's medical uniforms and make another
alien-autopsy film. You can be the head Doc this time and I'll be the
trusty assistant. Bring along another debunker for the camera-man.
I'll call up the Company and have them send over a 1950's style
movie-camera. Sounds like fun!! That'll give the UFO-buffs something
esle to chew on!!
Geez, what is it with you and all this B&D type insanity?
Why don't you find a newsgroup where your bizarre fetishes
will be more appropriate...
Can anyone seriously believe in aliens travelling interstellar distances just
to "steal" some farmers (cattle) assholes?
Though I believe in the probabilities of life throughout the known universe, I
find little hard facts to convince me we've made contact or even seen them.
Fermi's paradox still bother's me.
I tried to get on alt.dean.adams but my server said that they would call
the National Guard if I posted anything on it. Did you ruin it for me
or was it you working with the Reptoids.
WHAT kind of deal did you make with that ET race behind my back?!?!?!?
We must hide the truth from the public, never let them know what is
really going on and basically lie through our teeth, if want to maintain
social order. ---------- Doug Q. Veller
Dr. Billy
>Bob
>http://www.trystero.com/kirwaido.html
Well put Bob!!!!!!
> Oh no, not *another* 14 year old "doctor"!!
Here we see the delusions created by such crap as Doogie Howser... or
whatever that kid-surgeon's name was.
Mike
--
Mike Hoffmann | Pencom Systems Administration Services
mi...@psa.pencom.com | On assignment @Netscape Communications
"Cats are nature's way of helping you identify the people you don't
want to know."
>Can anyone seriously believe in aliens travelling interstellar distances just
>to "steal" some farmers (cattle) assholes?
Apparently the lengthy interstellar voyage has left them rather
famished.
"Hey greys," I shouted up at the pulsating triangular craft which
hovered above the barn, "wouldja like some fries to go with those
bovine rectums?"
Needless to say, they were not amused by my parody and sped off in a
bit of a huff.
That'll teach those greys to mess with ME!
---------------------------------------------------
I AM BLUE RESONANT FRAGER
---------------------------------------------------
>Can anyone seriously believe in aliens travelling interstellar distances just
>to "steal" some farmers (cattle) assholes?
Could you fill me in on this. I am not aware of any evidence at all that
aliens travel here to "steal some farmers (cattle) assholes."
Let me give an example. Suppose a person sees a UFO and gets scared. Does
that mean that the UFO or aliens travelled such a huge distance merely to
scare a person? Of course not, since it doesn't mean at all that the UFO
is there _in order_ to scare the person.
>Though I believe in the probabilities of life throughout the known universe,
> I find little hard facts to convince me we've made contact or even seen
> them. Fermi's paradox still bother's me.
Yes, facts are indeed hard to find, they do however exist.
>In article <311D6C...@gatecom.com>,
>Dr. Adam Krause, the 14 year old. <maize...@gatecom.com> wrote:
>>Hey MrBUNg! I, Dr Adam Krause, the 14 year old, am also known by you as
>>RISKER2459, but am at my daddio's house.
>Oh no, not *another* 14 year old "doctor"!!
Yes, Deanno, they too shall take part in your UFO Debunker
Horsewhipping!!!
The greys will supervise!!!
Don't cry, Deanno, Oberg is next!!!
-Dr. Richard Frager
who is Dr.richard frager? i think my girlfriend is an alien. what exactly
should i do? please help me i think my life may be in danger.
A brilliant and caring person, who isolated the dreaded virus that
contributes to the disease of (Phil) Klasstrophobia. Although a vaccine
is still years away. I'm working on it!
2) I think my girlfriend is an alien. what exactly should I do? -
Check her birth certificate and passport, that should tell you about
her. If you think it is an ET, take a closer look because it could be
Carl Sagan in drag!
3) Please help me, I think my life may be in danger. --
You will have to be transferred immediately to the Northrup, secret
alien base near Lancaster, California. "We'll" notify you family that
you will be under our strict supervision . Do not worry. If symptoms
continue, contact a UFO debunker. They will convince you it's all in
your head, or it could be an atmospheric disturbance. Stay away from
the Great Pyramid and try not to focus to much on the "Face on Mars."
It bears a striking resemblance to some UFO debunkers on this newsgroup.
Good luck and God Bless.
Next patient please.
>Either you're being "clever" in your wording...or you're insinuating that
>aliens come here to check on our assholes. An interesting slant to
>abduction there...ALIENS CHECKED MY ARSE...
>
Actually, isn't that basically what the plot of "Communion" boils down
to?
He's a worry, that Whitley.
Kevin Daly
>Kevin Daly
I'll tell you what the Greys are here for....basically, we are their test
subjects....they seek to enhance their own evolution and study the effects of
genetic manipulation by using "guinea pigs" like humans outside of their
reality....now you may be asking where did you get this knowledge about the
Greys....well, I have to acknowledge Prof. Courtney Brown of Emroy University
for this new insight into the Grey's abduction motives on this planet....in
Prof. Brown's book, "Cosmic Voyage", he utilizes a top sercret form of
espionage, called remote viewing, to "spy" on our intergalactic neighbors.
Truly fascinating stuff...if you ask me....however, I will tell you know that
I take all of this with a grain of salt...like most ufologists I'm pretty
skeptical when it comes to the abduction phenomenon.
Hi,
I was abducted, and now I'm back. Did anything happen in the meantime?
Judge Crater.
Did you have a nice ride?
Pretty fair ride. Andromeda galaxy was a bitch: lots of gravitational
knots to bump us. I understand we did the whole thing at only 5 or 6
lights.
Wow, I was just reading about politics in the newspaper "USA Today." Who
invented this guy Clinton, anyhow? I lways thought they were a little
weird in the Ozarks.
Regards,
Judge Crater.