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Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 06:40:02 GMT, FR...@SkepticTank.ORG (Rev.
>Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>> <heh> Here we go again. The Skeptic Tank was removed by my ISP by
>> threats of being sued if the Host didn't remove it. I've been with
>> this Host for a long, long time (and I've been with my ISP for decades)
>> and have always supported the Host's decisions in the past -- and I
>> believe I'll support them again and accept their decision. When Hosts
>> get baseless threats from people, unless the Host is a big company,
>> they have to cave. The only recourse is to sue the person making the
>> false allegations which is, of course, what the person wants so I
>> won't play that game.
>>
>> So I'll look for another Host -- one with some backbone (pun intended)
>> and I'll put the site back up without the three documents which may or
>> may not be covered in whatever complaint it was my Host received -- I
>> haven't heard word 1 about the complaint until ten minutes ago. If I
>> can get information on what the complaint is about, I'll pot it here.
>>
>> So I need a host. Can someone recommend one?
>Months ago I warned you that your host (SUPERIOR-HOST) was
>incompetent and unprofessional. I believe "fucking clueless" was
>one phrase used. Since Scientology Inc. fears and loaths freedom
>of speech and freedom of expression, every web site that provides
>factual data about the sinister, criminal business is a target.
>Try http://ccwebhost.net/raq.htm and see if you can fill up
>400,000,000 bytes of disk space. This is the host that recognized
>the Scientology crime syndicate's barratry for what it is, when
>the crime syndicate objected to Ms. Emanuel from expressing her
>opinions about Scientology Inc. (via scientology-kills.org).
>ccwebhost.net will soon be hosting three of my domains.
I will check them out. I have found a host that provides 500 megs
for $107 a year and I'll probably sign up with them though I don't
know what their policy is for baseless threats and attempted blackmail
by hate mongers and origanized crime so I may do as you suggest.
-- Insane nut rant at http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice
"Commodore Rimjob" is available at http://crimjob.tripod.com
Why did the Scientologist cross the road? - mimus
To slug Bob Minton. - Shydavid (See http://www.BobMinton.ORG/
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>So, try ccwebhost--you remember my web host, the one who actually stood up
>for me and checked out my site?
Yes, I recall and I'll be checking them out today. It wasn't the
Scientology crime syndicate this time, though. It looks like it
was a complaint about my advocacy of equality for gays. I get a
lot of homophobic hate ranters sending me nut mail and the guy's
name appears in my archives.
>Valerie
>"Rev. Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
>news:uat5s2p...@corp.supernews.com...
>> <heh> Here we go again. The Skeptic Tank was removed by my ISP by
>> threats of being sued if the Host didn't remove it. I've been with
>> this Host for a long, long time (and I've been with my ISP for decades)
>> and have always supported the Host's decisions in the past -- and I
>> believe I'll support them again and accept their decision. When Hosts
>> get baseless threats from people, unless the Host is a big company,
>> they have to cave. The only recourse is to sue the person making the
>> false allegations which is, of course, what the person wants so I
>> won't play that game.
>>
>> So I'll look for another Host -- one with some backbone (pun intended)
>> and I'll put the site back up without the three documents which may or
>> may not be covered in whatever complaint it was my Host received -- I
>> haven't heard word 1 about the complaint until ten minutes ago. If I
>> can get information on what the complaint is about, I'll pot it here.
>>
>> So I need a host. Can someone recommend one?
-- Insane nut rant at http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 06:40:02 GMT, FR...@SkepticTank.ORG (Rev. Fredric L. Rice)
>wrote:
>><heh> Here we go again. The Skeptic Tank was removed by my ISP by
>>threats of being sued if the Host didn't remove it. I've been with
>>this Host for a long, long time (and I've been with my ISP for decades)
>>and have always supported the Host's decisions in the past -- and I
>>believe I'll support them again and accept their decision. When Hosts
>>get baseless threats from people, unless the Host is a big company,
>>they have to cave. The only recourse is to sue the person making the
>>false allegations which is, of course, what the person wants so I
>>won't play that game.
>So you mean your host is lying to you and concealing the content
>of a threat letter from you, and then publicly buggering you, and you
>SUPPORT this?
My Host -- Superior-Host.COM -- is claiming that they received threats
from their uplink and that their uplink received a telephone call --
not even a threat letter. Superior-Host.COM was blackmailed by their
uplink into pulling my web site upon threat of having their uplink cut
off entirely.
>Demand the fucking threat letter and counter notify if you feel you
>can, and if they refuse to turn over the DMCA notification as the
>LAW EXPLICITLY REQUIRES THEM TO DO, then they are
>BREAKING THE LAW and CAN BE SUED.
It wasn't a copyright claim nor was it the Scientology crime syndicate.
It was apparently about my advocacy for equalty for gays.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 06:40:02 GMT, FR...@SkepticTank.ORG (Rev. Fredric
>L. Rice) wrote:
>><heh> Here we go again. The Skeptic Tank was removed by my ISP by
>>threats of being sued if the Host didn't remove it. I've been with
>>this Host for a long, long time (and I've been with my ISP for decades)
>>and have always supported the Host's decisions in the past -- and I
>>believe I'll support them again and accept their decision. When Hosts
>>get baseless threats from people, unless the Host is a big company,
>>they have to cave. The only recourse is to sue the person making the
>>false allegations which is, of course, what the person wants so I
>>won't play that game.
>>
>>So I'll look for another Host -- one with some backbone (pun intended)
>>and I'll put the site back up without the three documents which may or
>>may not be covered in whatever complaint it was my Host received -- I
>>haven't heard word 1 about the complaint until ten minutes ago. If I
>>can get information on what the complaint is about, I'll pot it here.
>>
>>So I need a host. Can someone recommend one?
>Try squareinternet.co.uk
Thank you, I'll check them out.
ptsc
wrote:
>Xenu allowed ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT cryptofortress DOT com> to write:
>>So you mean your host is lying to you and concealing the content
>>of a threat letter from you, and then publicly buggering you, and you
>>SUPPORT this?
>My Host -- Superior-Host.COM -- is claiming that they received threats
>from their uplink and that their uplink received a telephone call --
>not even a threat letter. Superior-Host.COM was blackmailed by their
>uplink into pulling my web site upon threat of having their uplink cut
>off entirely.
Where do you manage to find these incredible losers? Hasn't this happened
to you already? Why did you continue to patronize such a pathetic excuse for
an ISP?
Frankly you have a suit against your ISP *and* its upstream for illegally
interfering with your business relationship with Inferior-Host or Catamite-Host
or whatever the fuck those losers are called. Sue for breach of contract.
If these pathetic fuckers will kneel down and suck the dick of whatever
imbecile just makes a whiny phone call to them, they are probably so
spineless they will dissolve into jelly with the filing of a lawsuit.
ptsc
Dana
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> Xenu allowed HR-De...@aol.com (Human Rights Defense (ShyDavid)) to
write:
>
> >On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 06:40:02 GMT, FR...@SkepticTank.ORG (Rev.
> >Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>
> >> <heh> Here we go again. The Skeptic Tank was removed by my ISP by
> >> threats of being sued if the Host didn't remove it. I've been with
> >> this Host for a long, long time (and I've been with my ISP for decades)
Sure you have. You must think public access to the internet has been around
since computers were invented.
> >> and have always supported the Host's decisions in the past -- and I
> >> believe I'll support them again and accept their decision. When Hosts
> >> get baseless threats from people, unless the Host is a big company,
> >> they have to cave.
That is an outright lie.
> The only recourse is to sue the person making the
> >> false allegations which is, of course, what the person wants so I
> >> won't play that game.
Because you have no case. If you had a case you would take it to court.
> >>
> >> So I'll look for another Host -- one with some backbone (pun intended)
KKK may sponsor you.
> >> and I'll put the site back up without the three documents which may or
> >> may not be covered in whatever complaint it was my Host received -- I
> >> haven't heard word 1 about the complaint until ten minutes ago. If I
> >> can get information on what the complaint is about, I'll pot it here.
Please do.
> >>
> >> So I need a host. Can someone recommend one?
Hate sites will probably be hosted by other hate groups. Why not try the
kkk.
>
> >Months ago I warned you that your host (SUPERIOR-HOST) was
> >incompetent and unprofessional. I believe "fucking clueless" was
> >one phrase used.
Another baseless allegation. Where do you people come from. Take your hate
elsewhere.
>Since Scientology Inc. fears and loaths freedom
> >of speech and freedom of expression, every web site that provides
> >factual data about the sinister, criminal business is a target.
Seems it is you who is the one that fears and loaths freedom of speech.
Dana
"Rev. Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@LinkLine.COM> wrote in message
> Xenu allowed "Valerie" <post...@yahoo.com> to write:
>
> >So, try ccwebhost--you remember my web host, the one who actually stood
up
> >for me and checked out my site?
>
> Yes, I recall and I'll be checking them out today. It wasn't the
> Scientology crime syndicate this time,
Another atheist who despises religion of anykind. Gee where have all these
intolerant people come from.
> though. It looks like it
> was a complaint about my advocacy of equality for gays.
Since they are already equal to everyone else, what the hell are you talking
about.
>I get a
> lot of homophobic hate ranters sending me nut mail and the guy's
> name appears in my archives.
Another fabricated word to make the left feel good.
Dana
> Xenu allowed ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT cryptofortress DOT com> to write:
>
> >On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 06:40:02 GMT, FR...@SkepticTank.ORG (Rev. Fredric L.
Rice)
> >wrote:
>
> >><heh> Here we go again. The Skeptic Tank was removed by my ISP by
> >>threats of being sued if the Host didn't remove it. I've been with
> >>this Host for a long, long time (and I've been with my ISP for decades)
> >>and have always supported the Host's decisions in the past -- and I
> >>believe I'll support them again and accept their decision. When Hosts
> >>get baseless threats from people, unless the Host is a big company,
> >>they have to cave. The only recourse is to sue the person making the
> >>false allegations which is, of course, what the person wants so I
> >>won't play that game.
>
> >So you mean your host is lying to you and concealing the content
> >of a threat letter from you, and then publicly buggering you, and you
> >SUPPORT this?
>
> My Host -- Superior-Host.COM -- is claiming that they received threats
> from their uplink and that their uplink received a telephone call --
> not even a threat letter. Superior-Host.COM was blackmailed by their
> uplink into pulling my web site upon threat of having their uplink cut
> off entirely.
Since the uplinks and downlinks are all on contract, and since ISP's are not
held accountable for personal web pages, you are full of it. What more than
likely happened, is your site violates the policy of your ISP, and they
pulled them for that reason. An ISP can be held responsible once an
offending site is bought to their attention, but if the site in question
does not violate the ISP policy, they may or may not pull it. It depends on
how offensive the site is. And being that there are some pretty offensive
sites out there, your site must have had some content that could have been
libelious in nature, or downright racist or insensitive to a group of
individuals.
>
> >Demand the fucking threat letter and counter notify if you feel you
> >can, and if they refuse to turn over the DMCA notification as the
> >LAW EXPLICITLY REQUIRES THEM TO DO, then they are
> >BREAKING THE LAW and CAN BE SUED.
And another jailhouse lawyer.
>
> It wasn't a copyright claim nor was it the Scientology crime syndicate.
> It was apparently about my advocacy for equalty for gays.
NOT gays already have equality. There is not one state in the country that
will prohibit two of the same sex from marrying. Of course state recognition
may be a problem. But you do not need state recognition to get married.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>"Rev. Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@LinkLine.COM> wrote in message
>news:uav4odr...@corp.supernews.com...
>> Xenu allowed "Valerie" <post...@yahoo.com> to write:
>> >So, try ccwebhost--you remember my web host, the one who actually stood up
>> >for me and checked out my site?
>> Yes, I recall and I'll be checking them out today. It wasn't the
>> Scientology crime syndicate this time,
>Another atheist who despises religion of anykind. Gee where have all these
>intolerant people come from.
>> though. It looks like it
>> was a complaint about my advocacy of equality for gays.
>Since they are already equal to everyone else, what the hell are you talking
>about.
What's amusing about this "Dana" character is that he or she confirms
everything I ever said about the persecution of gays in Western socity.
>> I get a
>> lot of homophobic hate ranters sending me nut mail and the guy's
>> name appears in my archives.
>Another fabricated word to make the left feel good.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 12:33:19 GMT, FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L. Rice)
>wrote:
>>Xenu allowed ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT cryptofortress DOT com> to write:
>>>So you mean your host is lying to you and concealing the content
>>>of a threat letter from you, and then publicly buggering you, and you
>>>SUPPORT this?
>>My Host -- Superior-Host.COM -- is claiming that they received threats
>>from their uplink and that their uplink received a telephone call --
>>not even a threat letter. Superior-Host.COM was blackmailed by their
>>uplink into pulling my web site upon threat of having their uplink cut
>>off entirely.
> Where do you manage to find these incredible losers? Hasn't
> this happened to you already? Why did you continue to patronize
> such a pathetic excuse for an ISP?
<heh> HolySmoke.ORG was removed by the same people when they received
one of the crime syndicate's endless bogus complaints. But I just can't
blame Superior-Host.COM -- I like them considerably. It's their uplink
that is the problem. Superior-Host.COM has been very good to me, giving
good service at a great price; they're the victim once again, not the
evil.
It may very well be that Superior-Host.COM's uplink doesn't like
advocacy for equal rights for gays, too. We'll never find out, I'm sure.
<heh> Maybe their uplink doesn't like my human rights advocacy for
Scientology victims but we'll never know.
> Frankly you have a suit against your ISP *and* its upstream for
> illegally interfering with your business relationship with
> Inferior-Host or Catamite-Host or whatever the fuck those losers
> are called. Sue for breach of contract. If these pathetic fuckers
> will kneel down and suck the dick of whatever imbecile just makes
> a whiny phone call to them, they are probably so spineless they
> will dissolve into jelly with the filing of a lawsuit.
Golly! Ever the eloquent PTSC, I see. }:-}
Web sites like mine that advocate equality for gays have to put up
with such stuff constantly. I suspect I get less than the usual
equal rights advocacy web sites since mine has mostly skeptic related
stuff and also equality for blacks, women, minority religions et al.
If I were a for-profit business, I would sue for lost revenues.
Dana
> Xenu allowed "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> to write:
>
> >"Rev. Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@LinkLine.COM> wrote in message
> >news:uav4odr...@corp.supernews.com...
> >> Xenu allowed "Valerie" <post...@yahoo.com> to write:
> >> >So, try ccwebhost--you remember my web host, the one who actually
stood up
> >> >for me and checked out my site?
> >> Yes, I recall and I'll be checking them out today. It wasn't the
> >> Scientology crime syndicate this time,
>
> >Another atheist who despises religion of anykind. Gee where have all
these
> >intolerant people come from.
>
> >> though. It looks like it
> >> was a complaint about my advocacy of equality for gays.
>
> >Since they are already equal to everyone else, what the hell are you
talking
> >about.
>
> What's amusing about this "Dana" character is that he or she confirms
> everything I ever said about the persecution of gays in Western socity.
What persecution of gays?
Cardinal Chunder
> "Rev. Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@LinkLine.COM> wrote in message
> news:uav4ir...@corp.supernews.com...
>>>factual data about the sinister, criminal business is a target.
>>
>
> Seems it is you who is the one that fears and loaths freedom of speech.
>
Are you a scientologist by any chance?
If so, it would be a massive understatement to say that's a case of the
pot calling the kettle black.
El Queso
slack or love for BOB. Your talk of kkk and hate groups shows you for
the witless cult shill you are. You know, your dead messiah Ron got
penetrated in his pill-popping, flabby anus by Jack Parsons, so you
should have a little more compassion for the gay folks out there.
You are just silly, and not "makes me chuckle" silly. You are more
"playing with your poo" kind of silly. It's just infantile and
transparent - just like your stupid Sci-fi religion. My stupid Sci-fi
religion is just cooler than yours, so go gargle a turd, cultboy.
Queso
El Queso
Scientology critics. All the hallmarks are there - the accusations of
intolerance, of being part of a "hate group", and the baseless
accusations of hating freedom and religion - all without reference,
links, or any sort of evidence.
Now ask yourself why this person would be reading alt.slack in the
first place to stumble across, and respond to, this thread? Do they
love our BOB? Do they share our precious Yeti stink? Do they understand
that the Xists are a comin' and all the e-meters and Hubbard books in
the world ain't gonna be able to help? HELL NO THEY DON'T!!! They are
slackless husks, devoid of essence - yet running aroung gathering money
for their lawyer gods. They can't take a joke - fuck 'em.
IMO, this is a person in Scientology's OSA (their SS) who's job is to
monitor Scientology critics and try to discredit them while painting a
picture of an intolerant terrorist bent on inciting violence. They've
done it to me, and I'm nowhere near as big a thorn in their side as
Fred.
Cheers,
Queso
Dana
news:3CB01B73...@yahoo.com...
> You pathetic Scientologist.
Now I am a Scientologist, that is way too funny. No I am not a
Scientologist.
> Why do you post here, you obviously have no
> slack or love for BOB.
To protect freedom of speech.
>Your talk of kkk and hate groups shows you for
> the witless cult shill you are.
You are the ones with hate, not I. I did not have a site taken down for
hateful content.
>You know, your dead messiah Ron got
> penetrated in his pill-popping, flabby anus by Jack Parsons, so you
> should have a little more compassion for the gay folks out there.
> You are just silly, and not "makes me chuckle" silly. You are more
> "playing with your poo" kind of silly. It's just infantile and
> transparent - just like your stupid Sci-fi religion. My stupid Sci-fi
> religion is just cooler than yours, so go gargle a turd, cultboy.
> Queso
Yawn.
Dana
> Read this person's posts, then compare them to attacks on other
> Scientology critics. All the hallmarks are there - the accusations of
> intolerance, of being part of a "hate group", and the baseless
> accusations of hating freedom and religion - all without reference,
> links, or any sort of evidence.
Seems there was enough evidence to take down your hatesite you love so much.
> Now ask yourself why this person would be reading alt.slack in the
> first place to stumble across, and respond to, this thread?
It was in the header. I do not read alt.slack, the original article was
cross posted to more than one group. I read it at alt.atheism.
> Do they
> love our BOB?
Do not even know him, except that he is complaining that his hate site was
taken down again.
nu-monet v4.0
>
(Something that might be hate speech snipped.)
--
The future is either
AgriPetro-Mercantilism, or
Globalist Darwinism.
Choose.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
This "Dana" character appears to be a fundamentalist Christian -- which
is why he or she is easily mistaken for a Scientologist. The need to
pretend that gays aren't persecuted and don't have the same rights as
straights is part of this individual's upbringing, I'm sure, so he or
she doubtlessly can't be held entirely responsible. These people sop up
their bigotries with their breast milk.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>"El Queso" <the_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:3CB01B73...@yahoo.com...
>> You pathetic Scientologist.
>Now I am a Scientologist, that is way too funny. No I am not a
>Scientologist.
Is there some good reason why you behave like one?
Adam Marczyk
> Xenu allowed "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> to write:
>
> >"El Queso" <the_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:3CB01B73...@yahoo.com...
> >> You pathetic Scientologist.
>
> >Now I am a Scientologist, that is way too funny. No I am not a
> >Scientologist.
>
> Is there some good reason why you behave like one?
All members of intolerant, repressive, thought-controlling cults (political as
well as religious) show certain similarities.
BTW, Fred, you might want to check out this one:
http://www.freespeech.org/
I don't know if their hosting plan is what you're looking for, but at least
you'd have little worry about getting the plug pulled on your website again.
--
a.a. #2001
"Blasphemy is a victimless crime."
Director, EAC Black Monolith Division - "My God, it's full of stars"
Operative: EAC Electronic Warfare Division
EAC Subversive Fiction Division
http://www.ebonmusings.org ICQ: 8777843
Dana
> Xenu allowed Cardinal Chunder <c...@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> to write:
>
> >Dana wrote:
> >> "Rev. Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@LinkLine.COM> wrote in message
> >> news:uav4ir...@corp.supernews.com...
> >>>>of speech and freedom of expression, every web site that provides
> >>>>factual data about the sinister, criminal business is a target.
> >> Seems it is you who is the one that fears and loaths freedom of speech.
>
> >Are you a scientologist by any chance?
>
> >If so, it would be a massive understatement to say that's a case of the
> >pot calling the kettle black.
>
> This "Dana" character appears to be a fundamentalist Christian --
Oh a fundamentalist Christian, I think not. So much for your ability to
determine what people beliefs maybe.
> which
> is why he or she is easily mistaken for a Scientologist.
Never said I was a Scientologist, besides I am not rich enough to be a
scientologist.
>The need to
> pretend that gays aren't persecuted and don't have the same rights as
> straights
And you have proof that gays are prosecuted, or do not have the same rights
as everyone else.
Come on mr intolerant bigot, lets see your proof.
On the other hand there was more than enough proof to yank your hate site.
Dana
> Xenu allowed "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> to write:
>
> >"El Queso" <the_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:3CB01B73...@yahoo.com...
> >> You pathetic Scientologist.
>
> >Now I am a Scientologist, that is way too funny. No I am not a
> >Scientologist.
>
> Is there some good reason why you behave like one?
Is there any evidence you can think for yourself.
Dana
news:ub11rts...@corp.supernews.com...
> Rev. Fredric L. Rice <FR...@LinkLine.COM> wrote in message
> news:ub0rm0...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Xenu allowed "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> to write:
> >
> > >"El Queso" <the_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:3CB01B73...@yahoo.com...
> > >> You pathetic Scientologist.
> >
> > >Now I am a Scientologist, that is way too funny. No I am not a
> > >Scientologist.
> >
> > Is there some good reason why you behave like one?
>
> All members of intolerant, repressive, thought-controlling cults
(political as
> well as religious) show certain similarities.
That describes atheists as well.
Mopper Rod
"Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> wrote in message
news:3cb05...@news1.meganetnews.com...
> Seems there was enough evidence to take down your hatesite you love so
much.
rights
as everyone else.
>
>Come on mr intolerant bigot, lets see your proof.
>On the other hand there was more than enough proof to yank your hate site.
Jesus Christ, you're a vapid imbecile.
First of all, the man said "persecuted", to which you respond with
"prosecuted". The logic follows that you're not very smart and you're not
paying any attention, just skimming for words to repeat and follow with
"your hate site".
As well as that, if you need to be shown proof in this day and age that
homosexuality isn't well-accepted and that they don't have the same rights
as others (which is obvious to anyone who reads, gets out, etc.), then
you've got your head squarely up your ass.
And what does the man's website have to do with gays being mistreated?
Gays are mistreated by society. The end. Period. His site is being harassed
by assholes, filled with greed and self-importance, for trying to speak out
against their arrogant attempts to mistreat the populace, manipulate minds,
use the law as a weapon against the innocent, and just, generally, rape the
world.
If you can't follow the logic inherent in these two elements, I can't
help you.
It's very easy for you to stick your head out onto the internet and
spout baseless "you run a hate site" bullshit, without a whit of knowledge
about anything.
It's repetitive and it's annoying...
If you aren't a fundamentalist Christian or a Scientologist, exactly
what's your beef? And apparently you've got something against athiests as
well? Nor do you know of "Bob"... (I know "Bob" well. We golf often.)
So the only thing I can assume is that you're some dumb troll looking
for something to do.
You say you aren't a scientologist, but you stink of it... Because you
complain that he shouldn't be allowed to put up his valid opinions on the
web.
You must differentiate between a "hate site" that speaks out with hate
for a race, creed, or culture and a site that speaks out against stupidity,
which is the only thing WORTH hating.
Mopper
Dana
"nu-monet v4.0" <not...@succeeds.com> wrote in message
news:3CB06B...@succeeds.com...
> Dana wrote:
> >
>
> (Something that might be hate speech snipped.)
You mean something you snipped that points out the hate from your side.
Bet you know quite a few kkk types.
--
The lawyer is exclusively occupied with the details of predatory fraud
either in achieving or in checkmating chicane...xxvii
-Thorstein Veblen
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>Rev. Fredric L. Rice <FR...@LinkLine.COM> wrote in message
>news:ub0rm0...@corp.supernews.com...
>> Xenu allowed "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> to write:
>>>"El Queso" <the_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:3CB01B73...@yahoo.com...
>>>> You pathetic Scientologist.
>>>Now I am a Scientologist, that is way too funny. No I am not a
>>>Scientologist.
>> Is there some good reason why you behave like one?
> All members of intolerant, repressive, thought-controlling
> cults (political as well as religious) show certain similarities.
Birds of a feather, yep. The murder that was covered in the web page
wad two Christians decide they were going to go trolling for for gays
to beat up or murder solely because they hate gays like this "Dana"
character does.
I've never read or heard of a couple of gays suddenly deciding they
were going to drive in to town and beat up or murder straights. Never.
Fundamentalist Christians scream about how dangerous gays are --
"Save our children!" -- yet its gays that are the target of these
people's Christian hatred. Gays want to be treated equally.
>BTW, Fred, you might want to check out this one:
>http://www.freespeech.org/
>I don't know if their hosting plan is what you're looking for, but at least
>you'd have little worry about getting the plug pulled on your website again.
I'll give them a checkout, thanks.
Joe Cosby
thunder crashed, "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> laughed madly, then wrote:
>
>"nu-monet v4.0" <not...@succeeds.com> wrote in message
>news:3CB06B...@succeeds.com...
>> Dana wrote:
>> >
>>
>> (Something that might be hate speech snipped.)
>
>You mean something you snipped that points out the hate from your side.
>Bet you know quite a few kkk types.
>
As a regular reader of sci.skeptic and a good American, I find your
inflamatory accusations offensive and obviously an attempt to provoke
acts of violence, and as such an act of terrorism on your part.
Your behavior has been pointed out to the proper authorities in the
homeland security office and to meganetnews.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
PRAISE BOB!
Sig by Kookie Jar 5.98d http://go.to/generalfrenetics/
nu-monet v4.0
>
Hope you don't live in the United States:
http://www.unitedagainsthate.org/main.cfm
Where what you do either is, or may soon
become unlawful.
Dana
news:pL0s8.11243$VM5.3...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
>
> "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> wrote in message
> news:3cb05...@news1.meganetnews.com...
> > Seems there was enough evidence to take down your hatesite you love so
> much.
> > And you have proof that gays are prosecuted, or do not have the same
> rights
> as everyone else.
> >
> >Come on mr intolerant bigot, lets see your proof.
> >On the other hand there was more than enough proof to yank your hate
site.
>
> Jesus Christ, you're a vapid imbecile.
Look in the mirror bub.
> As well as that, if you need to be shown proof in this day and age
that
> homosexuality isn't well-accepted and that they don't have the same rights
> as others (which is obvious to anyone who reads, gets out, etc.), then
> you've got your head squarely up your ass.
Number one, bub, acceptance and rights are not related.
Number two, my little idiot, homosexuals do have the same rights as anyone
else.
> And what does the man's website have to do with gays being mistreated?
> Gays are mistreated by society. The end. Period.
Bzzzzzzzzt Wrong answer. Gays are mistreated by violent people, just like
other victims of crimes are. Society as a whole does not mistreat the
homosexuals.
>His site is being harassed
> by assholes, filled with greed and self-importance, for trying to speak
out
> against their arrogant attempts to mistreat the populace, manipulate
minds,
> use the law as a weapon against the innocent, and just, generally, rape
the
> world.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt Very wrong answer. Had that been the case his site
would not have been yanked.
> If you can't follow the logic inherent in these two elements, I can't
> help you.
Seems you cannot help yourself. Now my little idiot, go climb back into your
little cave and cry yourself to sleep. I have no time for kkk bigots like
you.
> If you aren't a fundamentalist Christian or a Scientologist, exactly
> what's your beef?
I despise people like you who try to trample the rights of others, and try
to attack them because of their beliefs. Why must you and people like you
attack those who have beliefs different than your own.
> And apparently you've got something against athiests as
> well?
Nothing against atheists.
> Nor do you know of "Bob"... (I know "Bob" well. We golf often.)
Peas in a pod. And hateful people attract each other.
> You say you aren't a scientologist, but you stink of it...
Than you have no idea what Scientology is. To say I stink of it, proves you
have no idea of what you are talking about.
> Because you
> complain that he shouldn't be allowed to put up his valid opinions on the
> web.
If his opinion were valid, and not hate speech the site would not have been
yanked.
>
> Mopper
>
>
>
>
palimpsest
<snipsnipsnip>
> Look in the mirror bub.
<moresnipsnipsnip>
Stay in your RomperRoom.
'imp'
palimpsest
'imp'
palimpsest
> "Rev. Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@LinkLine.COM> wrote in message
> news:ub0rm0...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Xenu allowed "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> to write:
> >
> > >"El Queso" <the_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:3CB01B73...@yahoo.com...
<somesnippingapplied>
> Is there any evidence you can think for yourself.
<dittosnippo>
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see above - get a clue.
You're losing big-big-time.
'imp'
Rene Descartes
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga Dana
GoGoGpoher#1> Him say he been reading much that you wrote
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga angry
GoGoGpoher#1> Him say you let off too much steam, have too much anger
built up inside of you
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga mojo
GoGoGpoher#1> Him say he don't like drugs but you might need Prozac
RD00
"Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> wrote in message news:<3cb07...@news1.meganetnews.com>...
Electric Walrus
> Xenu allowed "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> to write:
>
> >"El Queso" <the_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:3CB01B73...@yahoo.com...
> >> You pathetic Scientologist.
>
> >Now I am a Scientologist, that is way too funny. No I am not a
> >Scientologist.
>
> Is there some good reason why you behave like one?
Is a frontal lobatomy a good reason?
I've heard rumors it is part of scientology's new conversion ritual.
--
electric walrus
Arbane the Terrible
> Another atheist who despises religion of anykind. Gee where have all these
> intolerant people come from.
Well, some of them are recovered God-addicts. Others just ahd the good
luck to grow up in God-free homes, and now take others to task for what
they see as a self-destructive addiction.
And some are just obnoxious trolls, like you.
(Or is it more politically correct to call them 'Silicon-Americans' these
days?)
--
"Remember, the plural of 'moron' is 'focus group'."
-- James A. Wolf
Arbane the Terrible
> NOT gays already have equality. There is not one state in the country
> that will prohibit two of the same sex from marrying. Of course state
> recognition may be a problem. But you do not need state recognition to get
> married.
Oh, good. The internet link to Bizarro World is working again.
In this world, though, isn't it Georgia where the _official law_ is that
oral sex is punishable by imprisonment? Even between two married people of
opposite gender.
Or has that been changed? I remember Molly Ivins riffing on a similarly
idiotic law in Texas.
El Queso
a comedy bandsite at mp3.com a hate site? Who else but an idiot cultie
would think that comedy songs equated to hatred? You throw the words
bigot, nazi, kkk, and hate in around like a very typical Scientologist.
I say - Fuck L Ron Hubbard and his cult of dummies. I don't hate them -
I just think they're ultimately dumb, and worthy of mockery. I feel the
same way about McDonalds and Disney. I don't hate them - I just think
they suck.
By the way, the site at mp3.com got removed for copyright infringement
claims by pinch-faced lawyers with no humor or joy in their lives. The
content was complained about, but the copyright issues are what forced
mp3.com to puss out. Didn't you know that? You seem to know about what
you call my "hate site" - how is that? Why would you care if you weren't
a Subgenii or a Scientologist? Also - that is the old site, we had
already moved on to Enturbulator 009 by the time Scientology took any
action. Basically, we made a joke - some people laughed, and A YEAR
LATER - Scientology lawyers responded. Pretty lame. The new site
http://www.stationmp3.com/enturbulator has been more popular so far than
the Allstars stuff was, and it is still very much alive and kicking.
Where only about half of the Allstars songs were about Scientology -
100% of Enturbulator 009 songs poke fun at the cult. We usually occupy
10 of the top 10 positions in the comedy genre at stationmp3.com. It is
not hatred, Dana - it is satire. It is parody, and it is FREE FUCKING
SPEECH - get over it. You can call it hate all you want, that doesn't
make it so. People are laughing at the silly, litigious cult of
Scientology - and the more legal action they take - the more laughter
they create.
The more you toss the words hatred, bigot, nazi, and kkk around - the
more you seem like a very typical Scientologist - posting under orders
to undermine critics. Scientologists have cried wolf for so long that
everyone in the world is catching on to their methods. Flunk.
Queso
El Queso
favor, and define YOUR side? That might help me to figure out what you
mean. These are individuals posting to usenet, not part of some group. I
don't know any kkk types, they usually don't share enough of my
interests for me to encounter any of them.
I think rascists and fascists love to play the victim. The klan likes
to pretend that blacks and Jews are responsible for their troubles, and
the Scientologists like to pretend that individuals who do not agree
with them are part of an organised group of bigots and nazis.
By the way, Dana - not all Scientologists are rich. Lots of them
volunteer and get treated like shit - working hard for little to no pay.
They exist in a state of pure slacklessness.
Slack to the Slackfull, poop for the pink,
Queso
El Queso
had my site at mp3.com removed for copyright claims about photos which
had been altered in photoshop.
You seem anxious to misrepresent this fact. Nobody but the
Scientologists called any of the content hateful. Get it straight, Dana
- just cause someone tells you to fuck off - it doesn't make them a
bigot. You called me hateful and I am a member of the Church of the
Subgenius - you just hate me - bigot. You are bigotted against my Bob
(Dobbs, you dumbfuck - DOBBS!!!) - because you said he had a hate site -
you must be bigotted against Subgenius. Why do you try to stifle my
religious freedom? Holy mockery is a genuine Subgenius sacrament - why
do you want to trample my rights? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
It is all too easy for any ole pussy to play the victim. If you don't
put any stock in my claims, but you do in those of Scientology - one
wonders why?
Slackless minions of Dick Dobbs squat cock for foodstamps,
Queso
Dana
> I didn't have a site taken down for hateful content. That is a lie.
No it is not.
> You seem anxious to misrepresent this fact. Nobody but the
> Scientologists called any of the content hateful.
Wrong again but do go on with your lies.
>Get it straight, Dana
> - just cause someone tells you to fuck off - it doesn't make them a
> bigot. You called me hateful and I am a member of the Church of the
> Subgenius - you just hate me - bigot. You are bigotted against my Bob
> (Dobbs, you dumbfuck - DOBBS!!!) - because you said he had a hate site -
> you must be bigotted against Subgenius. Why do you try to stifle my
> religious freedom?
No one is but your own weak mind.
yard man
>"El Queso" <the_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:3CB10B94...@yahoo.com...
>> I didn't have a site taken down for hateful content. That is a lie.
>
>No it is not.
>> You seem anxious to misrepresent this fact. Nobody but the
>> Scientologists called any of the content hateful.
>
>Wrong again but do go on with your lies.
>
>>Get it straight, Dana
>> - just cause someone tells you to fuck off - it doesn't make them a
>> bigot. You called me hateful and I am a member of the Church of the
>> Subgenius - you just hate me - bigot. You are bigotted against my Bob
>> (Dobbs, you dumbfuck - DOBBS!!!) - because you said he had a hate site -
>> you must be bigotted against Subgenius. Why do you try to stifle my
>> religious freedom?
>
>No one is but your own weak mind.
HEY! now THIS one is a DANDY.
you GOTTA write that book!
cerebrally challenged people can just about write their own ticket
these days. Just make sure to drool a bit and keep your eyes crossed
when you go to the minority-owned publishing house. And wear goofy
socks that don't match. Picking your nose might help, too.
Somehow I have a feeling I didn't need to tell you ANY of that,
though. Got a feeling you is a natural.
yard man
>"Rev. Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@LinkLine.COM> wrote in message
>news:ub0rm0...@corp.supernews.com...
>> Xenu allowed "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> to write:
>>
>> >"El Queso" <the_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:3CB01B73...@yahoo.com...
>> >> You pathetic Scientologist.
>>
>> >Now I am a Scientologist, that is way too funny. No I am not a
>> >Scientologist.
>>
>> Is there some good reason why you behave like one?
>
>Is there any evidence you can think for yourself.
yo! I see question mark rationing is back in place in sector four.
What the HELL do we pay taxes for?
El Queso
enough reason for most people.
Dana wrote:
>
> "El Queso" <the_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3CB10B94...@yahoo.com...
> > I didn't have a site taken down for hateful content. That is a lie.
>
> No it is not.
Yes it is. Infinity. Ha ha. I win.
> > You seem anxious to misrepresent this fact. Nobody but the
> > Scientologists called any of the content hateful.
>
> Wrong again but do go on with your lies.
Nobody but the Scientologists who didn't like the music ever commented
negatively about the content. If people didn't like it - they didn't
listen to it. Pretty simple, eh?
>
> >Get it straight, Dana
> > - just cause someone tells you to fuck off - it doesn't make them a
> > bigot. You called me hateful and I am a member of the Church of the
> > Subgenius - you just hate me - bigot. You are bigotted against my Bob
> > (Dobbs, you dumbfuck - DOBBS!!!) - because you said he had a hate site -
> > you must be bigotted against Subgenius. Why do you try to stifle my
> > religious freedom?
>
> No one is but your own weak mind.
You don't even understand sarcasm. Man, you ARE a pinkboy! Answer me
this - why shouldn't I express my opinions in music? What SPECIFICALLY
is it about my music that is hateful? Have you heard it? Probably not,
you wouldn't like it. It would confuse and irritate you, so do yourself
a favor and don't subject yourself to it. If I'm weak minded - your mind
is a retarded, quadruple amputee screaming at shapes in the dark while
soiling itself.
Rene Descartes
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga mountain
GoGoGopher#1> Him say you make big wompum out of little pee pee
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga kabang
GoGoGopher#1> Him say you throw shotgun in oven filled with popcorn
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga talking
GoGoGopher#1> Him say you turn friendly conversation into tomahawk fight
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga school
GoGoGopher#1> Him say you need classes in anger management.
RD00
"Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> wrote in message news:<3cb10...@news1.meganetnews.com>...
Kat Suit Model
a way we can track him/her/it down and do some "fair gaming" of our
own? I need some money, if his/her/its bosses aren't making him/her/it
pay to work the brownshirt position.
Lying, stealing, cheating, and pretending you're the good guy - that
is the it of which you reek. Why don't you Scientolosers just get a
JOB like everyone else? If you can kill and harrass and maim and
frame, I'm sure you'd fit right in at the US Government, or at your
friendly neighborhood Taco Bell.
Kat Suit Model
because you ATTACKED on every point in your response to Rod. But the
very act of replying to it was one of DEFENDING! You lose! You
disobeyed the Prime Directive: "NEVER DEFEND, ALWAYS ATTACK!". We will
let your bosses know you have failed in your mission, wasted
resources, and need a re-evaluation followed by remedial treatment.
Kat Suit Model
> "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> wrote in message
> news:3cb0a...@news1.meganetnews.com...
>
> <snipsnipsnip>
>
>
> > Look in the mirror bub.
It's proof the Scientologists let their mid-level employees watch "X-Men"
Cardinal Chunder
> I despise people like you who try to trample the rights of others, and try
> to attack them because of their beliefs. Why must you and people like you
> attack those who have beliefs different than your own.
Ah, the irony and hypocrisy in that statement.
Unclaimed Mysteries
"Cardinal Chunder" <c...@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
news:3CB1B0F2...@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com...
DEATH TO THE INTOLERANT!
Corry
--
It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net/
Sean Ormond wrote in atl.general: "Do this for me Corry...Next time you
conveniently get from point A to point B using a gas-powered vehicle (I'm
guessing this will happen in less than 24 hrs), go ahead and drop to your
knees and give a little prayer to Gaia, the Fairy Queen, or whatever it is
you nut-jobs worship. You can thank her for schools like Georgia Tech,
where students learn how to do something other than hug trees and hate
America for a living."
Starshadow
Rev. Fredric L. Rice wrote:
> Xenu allowed Cardinal Chunder <c...@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> to write:
>
>
>>Dana wrote:
>>
>>>"Rev. Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@LinkLine.COM> wrote in message
>>>news:uav4ir...@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>>>of speech and freedom of expression, every web site that provides
>>>>>factual data about the sinister, criminal business is a target.
>>>>>
>>>Seems it is you who is the one that fears and loaths freedom of speech.
>>>
>
>>Are you a scientologist by any chance?
>>
>
>>If so, it would be a massive understatement to say that's a case of the
>>pot calling the kettle black.
>>
>
> This "Dana" character appears to be a fundamentalist Christian -- which
> is why he or she is easily mistaken for a Scientologist. The need to
> pretend that gays aren't persecuted and don't have the same rights as
> straights is part of this individual's upbringing, I'm sure, so he or
> she doubtlessly can't be held entirely responsible. These people sop up
> their bigotries with their breast milk.
>
I doubt he was fed on breast milk. He sounds too much
like a formula baby. Can't let the little buggers get too
attached to their mothers, after all.
---
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow, KoX, SP5, Official Wiccan Chaplain ARSCC(wdne)
and Goddess of Hypocrisy and Negativity,Queen of Mean,
Wicked Wiccan of the NW, and Ruler of Bullydom as crowned
by Shirley Wilson (Queen of Whingeing, Tantrums, And Foot
Stomping Web-Tv User).
"Scientology--Keeping Fraud Working"
www.xenu.net
Rene Descartes
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga do re mi
GoGoGopher#1> Him say you singing about hate while screaming at papoose
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga slap face
GoGoGopher#1> Him say you wish for Lone Ranger to smash Tonto
RD00
"Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> wrote in message news:<3cb05...@news1.meganetnews.com>...
> "El Queso" <the_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3CB01E99...@yahoo.com...
> > Read this person's posts, then compare them to attacks on other
> > Scientology critics. All the hallmarks are there - the accusations of
> > intolerance, of being part of a "hate group", and the baseless
> > accusations of hating freedom and religion - all without reference,
> > links, or any sort of evidence.
>
> Seems there was enough evidence to take down your hatesite you love so much.
>
>
> > Now ask yourself why this person would be reading alt.slack in the
> > first place to stumble across, and respond to, this thread?
>
> It was in the header. I do not read alt.slack, the original article was
> cross posted to more than one group. I read it at alt.atheism.
>
> > Do they
> > love our BOB?
>
> Do not even know him, except that he is complaining that his hate site was
> taken down again.
>
> > Queso
> >
> > Cardinal Chunder wrote:
> > >
Rene Descartes
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga smoky
GoGoGopher#1> Him say you light fire in teepee with no chimney
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga pee-you
GoGoGopher#1> Him say you speak like buffalo dropping pile of sh*t
GoGoGopher#2> Hugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga yuck
GoGoGopher#1> Him say you p*ss in river then drink downstream
RD00
"Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> wrote in message news:<3cb0a...@news1.meganetnews.com>...
El Queso
Queso
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>I didn't have a site taken down for hateful content. That is a lie. I
>had my site at mp3.com removed for copyright claims about photos which
>had been altered in photoshop.
Those Bob-damned fucking Pinks! Thing is, though, that helped boost
sales of your music and enabled you to purchase new audio equipment to
increase your productivity. Slack always comes back ten fold to those
of us who know they're Yeti and are happy with it.
>You seem anxious to misrepresent this fact. Nobody but the
>Scientologists called any of the content hateful.
Dana isn't a Scientologist... It just wants to pretend it's one.
>Get it straight, Dana
>- just cause someone tells you to fuck off - it doesn't make them a
>bigot. You called me hateful and I am a member of the Church of the
>Subgenius - you just hate me - bigot. You are bigotted against my Bob
>(Dobbs, you dumbfuck - DOBBS!!!) - because you said he had a hate site -
>you must be bigotted against Subgenius. Why do you try to stifle my
>religious freedom? Holy mockery is a genuine Subgenius sacrament - why
>do you want to trample my rights? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
> It is all too easy for any ole pussy to play the victim. If you don't
>put any stock in my claims, but you do in those of Scientology - one
>wonders why?
>Slackless minions of Dick Dobbs squat cock for foodstamps,
>Queso
Man, I can't wait until X-Day.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
That Pink probably walks around with his cap turned around backwards, too.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
Ah, but see it was a _rhetorical_ question, one for which there is
no expected answer because the answer is self evident. The only thing
lacking was the WebTV e-mail address.
Yang
COLUMN ONE
'I Was in This Alone'
Lori Haigh's life spiraled downward after repeated sexual abuse by a
Catholic priest in Orange County, while other clerics ignored her
pleas for help.
By WILLIAM LOBDELL
Times Staff Writer
April 9 2002
Lori Haigh couldn't stand the voice of Father John Lenihan any longer.
So she sat among the congregants in the parish hall and stabbed a
pencil into her left thigh again and again, until blood began to flow.
The 16-year-old was hoping someone at St. Norbert Church in Orange
would ask her what was wrong. That's when she would blurt it all out:
Father John was molesting me. Three, four, five times a week for the
past two years. He got me pregnant and then paid for the abortion. He
set me up with another priest.
But no one asked.
It took Haigh 20 years and a million-dollar lawsuit to be noticed.
The dioceses of Los Angeles and Orange last week agreed to pay her
$1.2 million to settle her accusations against Lenihan and the church.
Though Lenihan neither admitted nor denied the allegations involving
Haigh, he previously admitted to molesting another teenage girl and
having several sexual relationships with adult women. He agreed last
month to be removed from the priesthood.
Bishop Tod D. Brown of Orange County last week acknowledged that Haigh
had been molested, saying, "I am deeply sorry for the hurt caused by
the actions of Father Lenihan, and extend my apology to Ms. Haigh and
all victims of sexual abuse by clergy."
The sexual abuse scandal now racking the U.S. Roman Catholic Church
has many victims. But Lori Haigh stands apart on several grounds. The
allegations that led to the settlement are among the most serious yet
leveled against a priest. And while many victims contend that
molestations haunted them for years, Haigh is among the few willing to
detail how her life spiraled downward after repeated sexual abuse,
while the church ignored her complaints.
She is now a San Francisco mother who appears to lead an enviable life
as a video entrepreneur and songwriter.
But she says that she hates to wear dresses because they make her feel
vulnerable--the same way she felt when Lenihan allegedly would take
her in his silver Mercury Monarch and park on deserted roads. She
picks at the skin around her fingernails, leaving them bloody, saying
it distracts her from bad thoughts. She says she has tried to commit
suicide more than 10 times, beginning at 16, when Lenihan allegedly
got her pregnant.
Haigh grew up in a devoutly Catholic family. Her parents, Jane and
Faust Capobianco, sent her to parochial school near their home in
Villa Park, an affluent community in Orange County. The family
attended Mass each Sunday at the Holy Family Cathedral in Orange.
Haigh played the guitar along with two nuns at her school, a talent
that caught the eye of a 32-year-old priest from Ireland, Father
Lenihan. He asked the 14-year-old to be part of the band at his "rock
'n' roll" Mass on Sunday evenings at St. Norbert Church in Orange.
"He showed a big interest in me," she said. "I felt special, like I
was selected out of the crowd to be his confidant."
She was too young to drive, so Lenihan volunteered to pick her up at
her home. Her parents said they were happy that a popular priest had
taken an interest in their daughter's life.
"You look to them for guidance," said her father, a retired doctor now
living in Tennessee. "You value the association."
Haigh said Lenihan almost immediately began hugging and kissing her in
the car.
"I'd never kissed a boy before," she said. "It seemed like a safe
situation. I knew he would never tell." And she did not imagine it
would go further.
But it did, first to oral sex, then intercourse. Haigh said the
molestations continued regularly until she was 17.
She said she didn't make him stop because, in some ways, he was her
first love. He also gave her freedom: He had a car, and she could stay
out late with him.
Giving Signs That She Needed Help
Haigh's parents didn't particularly like her friends from Villa Park
High School, where she had recently transferred, so they encouraged
her involvement with the parish and Father John.
Classmate Andrea Lamacki once watched Lenihan stare at Haigh from the
rectory window and run out into the church parking lot to give her an
expensive harmonica.
"I remember thinking that was odd, it wasn't right," Lamacki said.
Haigh started to give signs--both subtle and obvious--that she needed
help. Her grades, normally A's, plummeted. She ditched classes. She
wore an asymmetrical punk haircut and "Dead Kennedys" T-shirts.
Another classmate, Shannon Moser, remembers Haigh in tears, talking on
the phone in a mutual friend's bedroom. When Moser asked another
friend what was wrong, she was told that Father John had gotten Haigh
pregnant and was telling her to get an abortion. Moser didn't believe
the story until Haigh held up the phone and she recognized Lenihan's
distinctive Irish brogue.
Haigh went to a Planned Parenthood clinic for the abortion.
She began to tell some adults about her relationship with Lenihan: the
psychiatrist that her parents sent her to when her grades began to
fall, and the abortion counselor at Planned Parenthood. Neither told
her parents, though the psychiatrist--bound by doctor-patient
confidentiality--did tell her parents to keep her away from the church
and Father John. Haigh said her parents took the warning as
anti-Catholic sentiment. It's unclear why the psychiatrist, now
retired and unavailable for comment, didn't report the incidents to
law enforcement.
"[At Planned Parenthood,] the counselor asked me how the father felt
about the abortion, and I said, 'Well, he's my Catholic priest.' I
don't know if she believed me or not, but she just kept on going,"
Haigh said.
Lenihan also told her he wanted her to meet a fellow priest and
schoolmate from Ireland who had recently arrived, Haigh said. The
priest, whose name Haigh could not remember, took her to dinner at a
coffee shop. Afterward, she said, he tried to sexually attack her in
his car.
She finds it hard to explain why she couldn't tell her parents. She
rattles off some possibilities: She was afraid of getting Lenihan in
trouble. She thought somehow she was doing a good deed for the church
by providing Lenihan a sexual release. She thought "the needs of many
outweighed the needs of me."
"Who wants to be the one to get this spiritual icon in trouble?" she
asked.
'I Realized Then That I Was in This Alone'
Finally, Haigh said, she decided to tell another priest. She said she
went to Father Lawrence J. Baird, a priest she said was revered by her
family. Now a monsignor and diocesan spokesman, Baird was in residence
at the Holy Family Cathedral in 1982.
Haigh said she told Baird about her relationship with Lenihan and he
responded by kissing her and rubbing himself against her. She said she
pushed him away.
Last week Baird adamantly denied the allegation, and threatened to
file a defamation lawsuit against Haigh if she does not recant.
Haigh said she also met with Father John Urell, another priest at the
cathedral. Urell is now a monsignor and vicar general, the third-
highest-ranking priest in the Diocese of Orange. She alleges that
Urell called her a liar and told to stay away from the church.
Haigh said her meeting with Urell did more lasting emotional damage to
her than the four years of alleged abuse by Lenihan.
"I felt like it took so much courage to finally go to the church," she
said. "I wanted at least to be absolved by a priest for my part in
it."
Urell also has denied meeting Haigh.
The sexual relationship finally ended when Lenihan told her that he
would deny it all if word leaked out.
"I thought he would [face] consequences for what he had done," she
said. "I realized then that I was in this alone."
She barely graduated from high school in 1982 and started classes at
Orange Coast College. She eventually landed a job with a Beverly Hills
public relations firm. Among her duties were hosting parties for rock
stars. She said she "self-medicated" with drugs and alcohol.
"My career and everything was really good, but I still felt horrible
inside," she said. "I didn't believe in God."
Her roommate was writing a screenplay based loosely upon her
relationship with Lenihan, and Haigh said she wanted to kill herself
so the priest would have "my blood on his conscience." That would give
her roommate the perfect ending for the movie.
In 1989, Haigh decided to start a new life in Nashville, where she did
publicity for Christian music artists and began a video production
business. She married a Hare Krishna, explored that religion and had a
son. "Eastern religion was as far away as I could get from
Catholicism," she said.
Haigh said she occasionally would get into her car, leave her seat
belt unfastened and race down the country roads near Nashville. She
crashed several times times and totaled a Jeep Cherokee. She hoped she
would die.
"But I kept walking away," she said with laugh.
Haunted by the Past in San Francisco
Haigh divorced in 1991, and a few years later met her current husband
in London while she was on a movie shoot. She moved with him and her
son to San Francisco.
There, she shoots corporate and music videos, creates multimedia
content for Web sites and has a weekly cable access show. She has
another child, a 2-year-old boy. She's fixing up a four-story home she
bought in the Twin Peaks area of San Francisco,
She has a music studio in the basement where she writes and plays her
folk rock songs. On Monday night, she's often at the Hotel Utah,
playing her guitar to small crowds on "open mike" night.
And when I wake he will be gone
And I won't see him until the classroom
It's just a tale of right and wrong
That they will whisper inside the bathroom
How she lost the game
She'll never be the same
Her hidden life is still with her. She says her second marriage is in
trouble, for a variety of reasons. Aside from her children, she says
she has problems with intimacy of any kind.
"I can't seem to have normal relationships with anyone," she said,
"and I don't think I ever will. I just don't want to inflict myself on
other people."
In the Mission district, she worked next door to Dennis Hodges'
carpentry business for a full year until she even said hello.
"She holds everyone at arm's length," said Hodges, who's become a
friend. "I just see the surface."
"Sometimes I look at the path I was on--cheerleader, Polo shirts,
preppy--and the whole life I had ahead of me, and I feel like I've
been tarnished and shunned by God," she said.
She filed the lawsuit in December, prompted by Lenihan's confessions
about his previous relationships to Times columnist Steve Lopez. She
was angry, she said, that he admitted to only one molestation of a
minor and not to his alleged transgressions with her. On Monday last
week, Haigh attended a press conference called by Baird to deny her
charges. Diocesan officials and parishioners have rallied around
Baird, and Auxiliary Bishop Jaime Soto stood next to him as he
described Haigh's accusation as "absolutely without foundation."
"I state unequivocally that I have no awareness of ever having met or
spoken with this person in my life and have absolutely no idea who
Miss Haigh is," Baird said. "I have 100% memory that I have never made
any inappropriate contact with any person during my 33 years as a
priest. No one has ever made such a charge.
"I have no idea what motivates her to make such an insidious
allegation." Baird turned to Haigh and said, "I pray for you."
Haigh said she felt devastated.
"I got this settlement, but they are still calling me a liar," she
said. "That's the whole reason why I filed the lawsuit in the first
place."
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:42:58 -0800, "Dana" <de...@tyrants.com> wrote:
Yang
a.a.#28
rev -273.15 high priest of the most frigid church of Kelvin
EAC mole and other furry creature
ptsc
>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-040902lori.story
>Finally, Haigh said, she decided to tell another priest. She said she
>went to Father Lawrence J. Baird, a priest she said was revered by her
>family. Now a monsignor and diocesan spokesman, Baird was in residence
>at the Holy Family Cathedral in 1982.
>Haigh said she told Baird about her relationship with Lenihan and he
>responded by kissing her and rubbing himself against her. She said she
>pushed him away.
This just by itself says about everything you need to know about these
goddamn pedo priests. Repeatedly over and over again I've heard about
how the vast majority of priests are wonderful and perfect gentlemen,
but here, this girl couldn't even go in to complain about one pedo
priest without getting molested by another one!
Jesus Christ. There isn't enough room to swing a rape victim in a Catholic
church without hitting some perv!
Amazing. Now just where were all these wonderful well-intentioned priests
while these pedos preyed on children for years and were shuffled around
to molest more children, and bishops ran their churches like pedophile
dating services. What did they do to stop it? NOTHING! That's what!
That's great behavior? Fuck that, and to Hell with the whole lot of them.
>Last week Baird adamantly denied the allegation, and threatened to
>file a defamation lawsuit against Haigh if she does not recant.
Just like a fucking Scientologist would.
ptsc
Starshadow
ptsc wrote:
This is common to a lot of molesters, though, it isn't
just a Catholic priest thing.
In many ways this parallels the molestation and rape of
myself by my elderly neighbor, a widower, who took a
"grandfatherly" interest in me when I was fourteen. In
1964 I blamed myself, and I could tell no one this was
going on. I heard the cultural thing that if a woman was
raped she had only herself to blame, from my parents, from
other people, and I didn't have anyone to turn to. I, too,
used to pick at the skin around my fingernails til it was
bloody. I attempted suicide a number of times. I never
self medicated with alcohol or drugs, though, and because
I didn't even know it was rape until I reached my late
twenties, there was no lawsuit for me, no absolution of
any kind, except the epiphany of finding out that yes,
what he did was rape, and theft of my very childhood's
end, and innocence. But he'd died long since. I don't know
where he's buried, but if I did, I'd want to visit his
grave to piss on it, at least once.
Maybe that's why I see it as a societal thing rather than
a religious thing.
Though having been raised sort of C of E, though not
devout, by any means, I didn't have much experience at
Catholicism. My Mum was Orange Irish stock on her
grandfather's side, though my sister converted to
Catholicism and is what I call a "convenient" Catholic to
this day. So I dunno how rampant it is (sexual abuse) but
it hasn't been in the experience of the few people I know
who are ardent Catholics.
But society as a whole does, or did when I was growing up,
protect molesters as a rule. The children they abuse are
told they are liars and are blamed for the molestations,
very often. So it isn't a religious body phenomenon, IMO.
--
--
ptsc
>But society as a whole does, or did when I was growing up,
>protect molesters as a rule. The children they abuse are
>told they are liars and are blamed for the molestations,
>very often. So it isn't a religious body phenomenon, IMO.
Or what's worse, they are considered to be already "damaged good"
so the person they report it to does it again. I've seen that time and
time again, too. It's amazing anyone gets through this life without
something like that--it sometimes seems it's a world of perverts and
scumbags.
ptsc
Yang
<stars...@starshadow.net> wrote:
>Maybe that's why I see it as a societal thing rather than
>a religious thing.
Yeah, but some social organization are far more responsible than
others. Whereas the RCC have been systematically ignoring this for
years, some of the other religious denomination who have had been
stung with these kinds of scandals had enough sense to institute some
form of policy that would reduce the incidence of molestations in
their hierarchy.
Starshadow
ptsc wrote:
Sometimes it seems that way. But other times one learns
that there are equally large numbers of really good people
out there and one learns to focus on the good and largely
ignore the bad, or fight actively against it as I've tried
to do all my life.
But it took a lot of years of joy out of my life before
I got to that point, I will say.
And of course I know others who were abused by their
own parents. So there are no guarantees in life.
Best thing people can do is to stay good to each other
and work to out the abusers. But this kind of thing is why
I would like the Phil Chitester person put permanently out
of the way. He is still justifying his molestation, which
means he still is in danger of ruining someone else's life.
I personally think he's still a molester. They don't stop.
Starshadow
Yang wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:30:47 GMT, Starshadow
> <stars...@starshadow.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Maybe that's why I see it as a societal thing rather than
>>a religious thing.
>>
>
>
> Yeah, but some social organization are far more responsible than
> others. Whereas the RCC have been systematically ignoring this for
> years, some of the other religious denomination who have had been
> stung with these kinds of scandals had enough sense to institute some
> form of policy that would reduce the incidence of molestations in
> their hierarchy.
This may be so. It's certain there are no kinds of
policies which would reduce this kind of thing in the
"Church" of Scientology, either, and in fact, they do
themselves also protect molesters.
But I did state that it was my subjective experience which
made me think the way I do. For me there was no way to sue
and no one to sue even if I could have.
Maybe it's time for me to go back to Everett, WA and look
up where he's buried and go piss on his grave at last.
yard man
<stars...@starshadow.net> wrote:
>
>
>ptsc wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:30:47 GMT, Starshadow <stars...@starshadow.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>But society as a whole does, or did when I was growing up,
>>>protect molesters as a rule. The children they abuse are
>>>told they are liars and are blamed for the molestations,
>>>very often. So it isn't a religious body phenomenon, IMO.
>>
>> Or what's worse, they are considered to be already "damaged good"
>> so the person they report it to does it again. I've seen that time and
>> time again, too. It's amazing anyone gets through this life without
>> something like that--it sometimes seems it's a world of perverts and
>> scumbags.
blarrrrgh.
it's a world of crybabies. Well, a nation, anyway.
christ, try dodging sniper bullets on your way to get dead dog
polluted drinking water out of a ditch.
try blaming yourself for what's fucked up in your life.
Whole new world out there if you can manage it.
Yang
<stars...@starshadow.net> wrote:
>Yang wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:30:47 GMT, Starshadow
>> <stars...@starshadow.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Maybe that's why I see it as a societal thing rather than
>>>a religious thing.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, but some social organization are far more responsible than
>> others. Whereas the RCC have been systematically ignoring this for
>> years, some of the other religious denomination who have had been
>> stung with these kinds of scandals had enough sense to institute some
>> form of policy that would reduce the incidence of molestations in
>> their hierarchy.
>
>
>This may be so. It's certain there are no kinds of
>policies which would reduce this kind of thing in the
>"Church" of Scientology, either, and in fact, they do
>themselves also protect molesters.
Well, there are some pretty rotten roganizations out there.
>Maybe it's time for me to go back to Everett, WA and look
>up where he's buried and go piss on his grave at last.
That's as good a punishment I guess :-)
ptsc
wrote:
>it's a world of crybabies. Well, a nation, anyway.
>christ, try dodging sniper bullets on your way to get dead dog
>polluted drinking water out of a ditch.
If I wanted to do that I'd move back in with your mother.
Fucktard.
ptsc
yard man
she doesn't want you back.
she said you had a little bitty dick, pissed the bed every night and
cheered out loud watching old Mighty Mouse cartoons. And that it was
fucking embarrasing taking you to the grocery store. You wouldn't stay
in the cart, clawed up all the popsicles and stuff, flubbled your
upper lip with your forefinger, howled at the cookies you couldn't
reach, and surprised yourself with farts and growled at your own ass.
You could call the Bishop, though. He ain't all that particular. You
guys could have a two-man cornhole conga line.
douchesnargfuckbarge
ptsc
wrote:
>You could call the Bishop, though. He ain't all that particular. You
>guys could have a two-man cornhole conga line.
When I said I wanted a bishopric that wasn't what I meant, you
illiterate porkbungee.
ptsc
yard man
now yer talkin!
wanna go out for eggs?
Al Klein
alt.atheism:
>Number two, my little idiot, homosexuals do have the same rights as anyone
>else.
You have the right to be joined in legal wedlock to anyone who a) you
want to marry and b) wants to marry you. Homosexuals don't have that
right.
>>His site is being harassed
>> by assholes, filled with greed and self-importance, for trying to speak out
>> against their arrogant attempts to mistreat the populace, manipulate minds,
>> use the law as a weapon against the innocent, and just, generally, rape the
>> world.
>Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt Very wrong answer. Had that been the case his site
>would not have been yanked.
Providers yank sites that cause controversy, whether what the site
says is right or wrong.
>> If you aren't a fundamentalist Christian or a Scientologist, exactly
>> what's your beef?
>I despise people like you who try to trample the rights of others, and try
>to attack them because of their beliefs. Why must you and people like you
>attack those who have beliefs different than your own.
Why do you have to post in a news group in which you know that your
views will be unwelcome?
>If his opinion were valid, and not hate speech the site would not have been
>yanked.
Not true.
--
Al - rukbat at optonline dot net
Zymurgist # 2
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>ptsc wrote:
>This is common to a lot of molesters, though, it isn't
>just a Catholic priest thing.
_Some_ religions don't have an epidemic problem -- or a pandemic one like
the Catholic brand of Christianity has. And in some religious communities
-- Pagani, for instance -- the perp would be beaten and pounded near to
death before the remains were turned over to the cops. Christianity seems
to be the only religion that actively condones pedophile rape.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-040902lori.story
>COLUMN ONE
>'I Was in This Alone'
>Lori Haigh's life spiraled downward after repeated sexual abuse by a
>Catholic priest in Orange County, while other clerics ignored her
>pleas for help.
>By WILLIAM LOBDELL
>Times Staff Writer
>April 9 2002
I was reading this in paper format during lunch today and I was pissed.
Many has been the time I've accused the Catholic priesthood of running
a dating service for pedophile men and I've had a "Clergy Abuse" section
on The Skeptic Tank since I created the 'Tank. The problem has always
been an epidemic within all branches of Christianity. I wonder if it's
the advent of the Internet that has finally launched a public relations
nightmare for these criminal priests and their employeers.
satyr
com> wrote:
>
>This just by itself says about everything you need to know about these
>goddamn pedo priests. Repeatedly over and over again I've heard about
>how the vast majority of priests are wonderful and perfect gentlemen,
>but here, this girl couldn't even go in to complain about one pedo
>priest without getting molested by another one!
And this situation is decidedly not limited to the USA. Priestly rape epidemics
have been reported on at least four continents.
Wally Anglesea™
Rice) wrote:
>Xenu allowed eac...@SPAMmail.com (Yang) to write:
>
>>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-040902lori.story
>>COLUMN ONE
>>'I Was in This Alone'
>>Lori Haigh's life spiraled downward after repeated sexual abuse by a
>>Catholic priest in Orange County, while other clerics ignored her
>>pleas for help.
>>By WILLIAM LOBDELL
>>Times Staff Writer
>>April 9 2002
>
>I was reading this in paper format during lunch today and I was pissed.
>Many has been the time I've accused the Catholic priesthood of running
>a dating service for pedophile men and I've had a "Clergy Abuse" section
>on The Skeptic Tank since I created the 'Tank. The problem has always
>been an epidemic within all branches of Christianity.
I wonder wether it's just endemic to Christianity. My uneducated
guess is that it's probably not.
> I wonder if it's
>the advent of the Internet that has finally launched a public relations
>nightmare for these criminal priests and their employeers.
>
>-- Insane nut rant at http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice
>"Commodore Rimjob" is available at http://crimjob.tripod.com
>Why did the Scientologist cross the road? - mimus
>To slug Bob Minton. - Shydavid (See http://www.BobMinton.ORG/
--
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Yang
<wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 03:48:34 GMT, FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L.
>Rice) wrote:
>
>>Xenu allowed eac...@SPAMmail.com (Yang) to write:
>>
>>>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-040902lori.story
>>>COLUMN ONE
>>>'I Was in This Alone'
>>>Lori Haigh's life spiraled downward after repeated sexual abuse by a
>>>Catholic priest in Orange County, while other clerics ignored her
>>>pleas for help.
>>>By WILLIAM LOBDELL
>>>Times Staff Writer
>>>April 9 2002
>>
>>I was reading this in paper format during lunch today and I was pissed.
>>Many has been the time I've accused the Catholic priesthood of running
>>a dating service for pedophile men and I've had a "Clergy Abuse" section
>>on The Skeptic Tank since I created the 'Tank. The problem has always
>>been an epidemic within all branches of Christianity.
>
>I wonder wether it's just endemic to Christianity. My uneducated
>guess is that it's probably not.
I would say that all organization without proper accountability
measures.
Wally Anglesea™
Does that include Enron and Andersons :-))
Yang
<wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote:
Especially those guys. I think we can all learn a lesson from Enron,
the RCC and Arthur Anderson- "voluntary self-regulation" can only go
so far. Checks and balances work in politics, and it works in business
and religion.
Lizz Holmans
Rice) wrote:
>_Some_ religions don't have an epidemic problem -- or a pandemic one like
>the Catholic brand of Christianity has. And in some religious communities
>-- Pagani, for instance -- the perp would be beaten and pounded near to
>death before the remains were turned over to the cops. Christianity seems
>to be the only religion that actively condones pedophile rape.
Christianity does not actively condone pedophile rape, Frederic, and
thee knows it. Stop making such silly generalizations before I have to
get Friendly on thee.
Lizz 'read what the man said about millstones and get back to me'
Holmans
Lizz Holmans
<wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 03:48:34 GMT, FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L.
>Rice) wrote:
>>I was reading this in paper format during lunch today and I was pissed.
>>Many has been the time I've accused the Catholic priesthood of running
>>a dating service for pedophile men and I've had a "Clergy Abuse" section
>>on The Skeptic Tank since I created the 'Tank. The problem has always
>>been an epidemic within all branches of Christianity.
>
>I wonder wether it's just endemic to Christianity. My uneducated
>guess is that it's probably not.
It's not endemic to all branches of Christianity, either, but Frederic
does love his generalizations.
Lizz 'It's hard to have abusing clergy when one has no clergy at all'
Holmans
pz
FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
> Xenu allowed eac...@SPAMmail.com (Yang) to write:
>
> >http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-040902lori.story
> >COLUMN ONE
> >'I Was in This Alone'
> >Lori Haigh's life spiraled downward after repeated sexual abuse by a
> >Catholic priest in Orange County, while other clerics ignored her
> >pleas for help.
> >By WILLIAM LOBDELL
> >Times Staff Writer
> >April 9 2002
>
> I was reading this in paper format during lunch today and I was pissed.
> Many has been the time I've accused the Catholic priesthood of running
> a dating service for pedophile men and I've had a "Clergy Abuse" section
> on The Skeptic Tank since I created the 'Tank. The problem has always
> been an epidemic within all branches of Christianity.
Are you sure? It seems to be more of a problem with sects that
unrealistically demand abstinence from their clergy, don't you think?
Have you got any examples of frequent (more frequent than the public at
large, that is) problems of a similar nature in, say, Baptists or
Episcopalians or Amish or Quakers or Lutherans?
(We'll leave the Mormons out of this -- they have their own weird
historical/doctrinal heritage.)
> I wonder if it's
> the advent of the Internet that has finally launched a public relations
> nightmare for these criminal priests and their employeers.
--
pz
Starshadow
Yang wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:25:34 GMT, Wally Anglesea^(TM)
> <wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 03:48:34 GMT, FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L.
>>Rice) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Xenu allowed eac...@SPAMmail.com (Yang) to write:
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-040902lori.story
>>>>COLUMN ONE
>>>>'I Was in This Alone'
>>>>Lori Haigh's life spiraled downward after repeated sexual abuse by a
>>>>Catholic priest in Orange County, while other clerics ignored her
>>>>pleas for help.
>>>>By WILLIAM LOBDELL
>>>>Times Staff Writer
>>>>April 9 2002
>>>>
>>>I was reading this in paper format during lunch today and I was pissed.
>>>Many has been the time I've accused the Catholic priesthood of running
>>>a dating service for pedophile men and I've had a "Clergy Abuse" section
>>>on The Skeptic Tank since I created the 'Tank. The problem has always
>>>been an epidemic within all branches of Christianity.
>>>
>>I wonder wether it's just endemic to Christianity. My uneducated
>>guess is that it's probably not.
>>
>
>
> I would say that all organization without proper accountability
> measures.
>
>
I'd say it's prolly worse in organizations and religions
which encourage repression of normal human sexuality. A
certain amount of sexual behavior is hard wired and some
of it has to pop out somewhere for some people.
---
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:25:34 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
><wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote:
>>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 03:48:34 GMT, FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L.
>>Rice) wrote:
>>>Xenu allowed eac...@SPAMmail.com (Yang) to write:
>>>>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-040902lori.story
>>>>COLUMN ONE
>>>>'I Was in This Alone'
>>>>Lori Haigh's life spiraled downward after repeated sexual abuse by a
>>>>Catholic priest in Orange County, while other clerics ignored her
>>>>pleas for help.
>>>>By WILLIAM LOBDELL
>>>>Times Staff Writer
>>>>April 9 2002
>>>I was reading this in paper format during lunch today and I was pissed.
>>>Many has been the time I've accused the Catholic priesthood of running
>>>a dating service for pedophile men and I've had a "Clergy Abuse" section
>>>on The Skeptic Tank since I created the 'Tank. The problem has always
>>>been an epidemic within all branches of Christianity.
>>I wonder wether it's just endemic to Christianity. My uneducated
>>guess is that it's probably not.
>I would say that all organization without proper accountability
>measures.
Boy Scouts of America springs instantly to mind.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
No, it's pandemic is _all_ branches of Christianity. One of the reasons
why the Chritstian priesthood gets away with it is by pretending that
_their_ brand doesn't have the problem -- until a pedophile is caught
and dispensed with at which time the church reproclaimes itself free of
pedophiles. Until the next time.
Sorry, Lizz, there are no magical exceptions.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 03:47:53 GMT, FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L.
>Rice) wrote:
>>_Some_ religions don't have an epidemic problem -- or a pandemic one like
>>the Catholic brand of Christianity has. And in some religious communities
>>-- Pagani, for instance -- the perp would be beaten and pounded near to
>>death before the remains were turned over to the cops. Christianity seems
>>to be the only religion that actively condones pedophile rape.
>Christianity does not actively condone pedophile rape, Frederic, and
>thee knows it. Stop making such silly generalizations before I have to
>get Friendly on thee.
Numbers 31:17-18
"Now therefore kill every male among the little
ones, and kill every woman who hath known man by
lying with him. But all the women children, that
have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive
for yourselves."
You were saying?
pz
FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
> Xenu allowed Lizz Holmans <di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> to write:
>
> >On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:25:34 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
> ><wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote:
> >>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 03:48:34 GMT, FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L.
> >>Rice) wrote:
> >>>I was reading this in paper format during lunch today and I was pissed.
> >>>Many has been the time I've accused the Catholic priesthood of running
> >>>a dating service for pedophile men and I've had a "Clergy Abuse" section
> >>>on The Skeptic Tank since I created the 'Tank. The problem has always
> >>>been an epidemic within all branches of Christianity.
> >>I wonder wether it's just endemic to Christianity. My uneducated
> >>guess is that it's probably not.
>
> >It's not endemic to all branches of Christianity, either, but Frederic
> >does love his generalizations.
>
> No, it's pandemic is _all_ branches of Christianity. One of the reasons
> why the Chritstian priesthood gets away with it is by pretending that
> _their_ brand doesn't have the problem -- until a pedophile is caught
> and dispensed with at which time the church reproclaimes itself free of
> pedophiles. Until the next time.
>
> Sorry, Lizz, there are no magical exceptions.
Is the incidence of pedophilia among ministers of all christian
religions greater than the incidence among the non-priestly population?
I suspect not. I'm no fan of organized religion, but unless you're
talking only about cults that demand bizarre sexual practices (such as
abstinence), I think it's silly to even suggest that christianity has
that kind of influence.
--
pz
Lizz Holmans
Rice) wrote:
>
>No, it's pandemic is _all_ branches of Christianity. One of the reasons
>why the Chritstian priesthood gets away with it is by pretending that
>_their_ brand doesn't have the problem -- until a pedophile is caught
>and dispensed with at which time the church reproclaimes itself free of
>pedophiles. Until the next time.
>
>Sorry, Lizz, there are no magical exceptions.
The Religious Society of Friends doesn't even have clergymen. We have
no priests of any kind. This is not to say no Quaker has ever been a
pedophile, as pedophiles are present in every society. But to blame
all of Christiianity for the sins of a few is overblown rhetoric that
only serves to dissipate your righteous anger about what is going on.
In other words, cite?
Lizz 'Jesus loves the litle children, all the children in the
world--but he didn't fuck them' Holmans
Lizz Holmans
Rice) wrote:
>e.
>
> Numbers 31:17-18
> "Now therefore kill every male among the little
> ones, and kill every woman who hath known man by
> lying with him. But all the women children, that
> have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive
> for yourselves."
>
>You were saying?
Why is it that atheists insist on taking the Bible literally when the
vast majority of Christians don't?
Besides, Jesus wasn't around when Numbers was being written, which
sort of knocks your theory about Xianity into a cocked hat,
Lizz 'Jesus diidn't look kindly on folks who hurt kids. You could look
it up' Holmans
Monseignor Tartarus Sanctus
> >Christianity does not actively condone pedophile rape, Frederic, and
> >thee knows it. Stop making such silly generalizations before I have to
> >get Friendly on thee.
>
> Numbers 31:17-18
> "Now therefore kill every male among the little
> ones, and kill every woman who hath known man by
> lying with him. But all the women children, that
> have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive
> for yourselves."
>
> You were saying?
I think the key word here is "actively". Of course they will actively
condone whatever suits their immediate political interests, as they did
during the debates on slavery.
--
Monseignor Tartarus Sanctus
Cathareuse Ordre de Frites
Salvian HP Synod
Monseignor Tartarus Sanctus
> >I would say that all organization without proper accountability
> >measures.
>
> Boy Scouts of America springs instantly to mind.
A guy tried to molest me at boy scout camp, and I never went back. I was
scared to tell my parents why, but I refused to go to scouts anymore and
they didn't try to push me back in. I can only imagine what it would be
like to be actually molested by someone in authority. Shudddddder.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:02:58 GMT, FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L.
>Rice) wrote:
>>No, it's pandemic is _all_ branches of Christianity. One of the reasons
>>why the Chritstian priesthood gets away with it is by pretending that
>>_their_ brand doesn't have the problem -- until a pedophile is caught
>>and dispensed with at which time the church reproclaimes itself free of
>>pedophiles. Until the next time.
>>Sorry, Lizz, there are no magical exceptions.
>The Religious Society of Friends doesn't even have clergymen. We have
>no priests of any kind. This is not to say no Quaker has ever been a
>pedophile, as pedophiles are present in every society. But to blame
>all of Christiianity for the sins of a few is overblown rhetoric that
>only serves to dissipate your righteous anger about what is going on.
>In other words, cite?
In other words sorry, no exceptions. Among your "Society of Friends"
are pedophiles. And no, here you are trying to claim that I blamed
all of Christianity -- a typical Christian escape mechanism when
faced with the truth.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:03:00 GMT, FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L.
>Rice) wrote:
>> Numbers 31:17-18
>> "Now therefore kill every male among the little
>> ones, and kill every woman who hath known man by
>> lying with him. But all the women children, that
>> have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive
>> for yourselves."
>>You were saying?
>Why is it that atheists insist on taking the Bible literally when the
>vast majority of Christians don't?
Without the Christanic mythologies you wouldn't have any of your
Christian gods and goddesses so obviously every Christian takes
what they read in their mythologies as containing factual, accurate
information about their gods. Since your gods and goddesses don't
exist outside of the myths, you have to. And here we have one of
your own gods kidnapping virgin females for long nights of rapine
-- which is directly in accord with the general morality of the
Christian priesthood which hasn't changed in 10,000 years.
Mr. Vega
> "Rev. Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
>
> > >I would say that all organization without proper accountability
> > >measures.
> >
> > Boy Scouts of America springs instantly to mind.
>
> A guy tried to molest me at boy scout camp, and I never went back. I was
> scared to tell my parents why, but I refused to go to scouts anymore and
> they didn't try to push me back in. I can only imagine what it would be
> like to be actually molested by someone in authority. Shudddddder.
Once when I was walking home from school, I took a short-cut behind some
buildings and some guy grabbed me. I screamed at the top of my lungs, and
pissed myself because I was so scared. He let me go at all the noise and
made some comment about how I shouldn't go there, but he tried to silence me
at first, and pull me back to a shed. I remember drying my pants over a
portable heater at home and being thankful that my pants were a dark color and
it wasn't obvious they were wet. I was about 9 or 10 at the time. I haven't
told anyone til this day, and I'm a male, 35 years old.
Frankly I think priests are a bunch of holier-than-thou bullshit artists with
too much time on their hands (how much effort does it take to read the same
fucking book over and over and make a speech once a week about it?) and too easy
availability to kids. They probably think they can do what they want because
they are the apple of God's eye. This scandal couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.
Maybe people will think twice about trusting their kids to the unaccountable
pervert in the white collar, because of some superstitious belief that men of
the cloth are better than the common man.
Jack
Lizz Holmans
Rice) wrote:
>
>In other words sorry, no exceptions. Among your "Society of Friends"
>are pedophiles. And no, here you are trying to claim that I blamed
>all of Christianity -- a typical Christian escape mechanism when
>faced with the truth.
Thee has changed the argument.
Thy original statement was that Christianity condones pedophilic
rape. It does not. Jesus was very specific about the deserved fate of
those who harmed children.
Now thee is saying there are Christian pedophiles. Well, duh.
There are also Muslim pedophiles, Jewish pedophiles, and atheist
pedophiles. Pedophilia, along with other sexual philias, respects no
religion. And, as far as I know, no religion advocates pedophilic
rape.
A 'typical Christian escape mechanism'? Frederic, thee is doing it
again. Thy stereotypical responses win thee no advocates and promote
thy argument not one jot. Thee is better than that--don't fall for
such obvious logical fallacies.
Lizz 'People who stereotype are bigots' Holmans
Lizz Holmans
Rice) wrote:
>Without the Christanic mythologies you wouldn't have any of your
>Christian gods and goddesses so obviously every Christian takes
>what they read in their mythologies as containing factual, accurate
>information about their gods. Since your gods and goddesses don't
>exist outside of the myths, you have to. And here we have one of
>your own gods kidnapping virgin females for long nights of rapine
>-- which is directly in accord with the general morality of the
>Christian priesthood which hasn't changed in 10,000 years.
There was no Christian priesthood 10,000 years ago. There wasn't even
a Jewish priesthood 10,000 years ago. Hell, Frederic, the pyramids
weren't even built 10,000 years ago. Please do check thy time lines a
little more diligently.
I'm not going to get into a theological argument with thee, as I don't
think proselytizing is a good idea. However, so far, the arguments
thee has stated don't persuade me that thee is working out of
knowledge, but out of emotion.
But do tell me some more about these goddesses. I'm always intrigued
by new anthropological discoveries, and if thee has discovered a
Christian goddess, I should love to know more.
Lizz 'only one goddess in this house, thankyouverymuch' Holmans
Al Klein
<di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:03:00 GMT, FR...@LinkLine.COM (Rev. Fredric L.
>Rice) wrote:
>> Numbers 31:17-18
>> "Now therefore kill every male among the little
>> ones, and kill every woman who hath known man by
>> lying with him. But all the women children, that
>> have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive
>> for yourselves."
>>You were saying?
>Why is it that atheists insist on taking the Bible literally when the
>vast majority of Christians don't?
Oh, so you don't believe that the resurrection actually happened?
Or is it that you take those portions you like literally and those you
don't figuratively?
And where, pray tell, are the notes in the bible that tell you which
verse is literally true and which is merely symbolic?
>Besides, Jesus wasn't around when Numbers was being written, which
>sort of knocks your theory about Xianity into a cocked hat,
Christianity accepts that its god is the same god who told the
Israelites to rape children. And the NT verifies that it's the same
god who told us how to treat our slaves, thereby condoning slavery.
>Lizz 'Jesus diidn't look kindly on folks who hurt kids. You could look
>it up' Holmans
Al 'Jesus was a Jew and accepted the OT as the word of his god' Klein.
Al Klein
alt.atheism:
>Are you sure? It seems to be more of a problem with sects that
>unrealistically demand abstinence from their clergy, don't you think?
And from those who have clergy that are looked upon as authority
figures, and who exercise that authority over children. Preachers,
teachers (non religion types) and others of that ilk seem to have a
slightly higher incidence of child molestation than the general
public.
--
Al - rukbat at optonline dot net
Zymurgist # 2
Al Klein
<stars...@starshadow.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>I'd say it's prolly worse in organizations and religions
>which encourage repression of normal human sexuality. A
>certain amount of sexual behavior is hard wired
It's a trait that's VERY heavily selected for. Failure to reproduce
isn't something that you can pass on to the next generation.
Al Klein
<di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
>The Religious Society of Friends doesn't even have clergymen. We have
>no priests of any kind. This is not to say no Quaker has ever been a
>pedophile, as pedophiles are present in every society. But to blame
>all of Christiianity for the sins of a few is overblown rhetoric that
>only serves to dissipate your righteous anger about what is going on.
The blame is being directed where it's deserved - to a cult that
refuses to allow one to both serve it and live a normal life ... the
cult called the RCC. No one accused Friends' non-clergy-people of
pedophilia as a rule, or with covering it up.
Al Klein
(yard man) posted in alt.atheism:
>try blaming yourself for what's fucked up in your life.
Rape victims are to blame for their rape?
Thanks for the verification that traveling forward in time is
possible. I believe your return will be to a few seconds after you
left - in 1901.
Al Klein
posted in alt.atheism:
>On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 07:56:52 -0400, ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT cryptofortress DOT
>com> wrote:
>>This just by itself says about everything you need to know about these
>>goddamn pedo priests. Repeatedly over and over again I've heard about
>>how the vast majority of priests are wonderful and perfect gentlemen,
>>but here, this girl couldn't even go in to complain about one pedo
>>priest without getting molested by another one!
>And this situation is decidedly not limited to the USA. Priestly rape epidemics
>have been reported on at least four continents.
None (so far) in Antarctica, so which are the other 'safe' ones?