"Warmest Decade" Is Doubtful
n0 b o
7 Jan 2010
Doubts are being raised about the significance of new figures showing the
past decade has been New Zealand's warmest on record.
Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
warmest.
A National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) statement
yesterday reaffirmed its statements that the decade was likely to be the
hottest recorded.
However, the new statement failed to include figures.
Weather forecaster Tony Trewinnard said it was doubtful a few hundredths of
a degree was such a statistically significant amount on which to base such
statements.
NIWA principal climate scientist James Renwick told The Press temperatures
at seven key stations over the past 10 years were one-tenth of a degree
above the 1971-2000 norm.
"The next warmest were the 1980s, about 0.07�C above that normal, so it's
only a few hundredths of a degree difference," he said.
Asked if the difference was significant, Renwick said: "Well, it is a very
small amount.
But, officially, it was warmer - the long-term trend is for warming."
Trewinnard questioned how NIWA could claim a long-term warming trend when
the 2000s were only marginally warmer than the 1971-2000 norm and the 1980s,
and when the 1990s were cooler than both those decades.
"There isn't a long-term warming trend by Renwick's own numbers,
nationally," he said.
"If you're comfortable with saying three-hundredths of a degree is
different, then that's fine, but are those claims really supported by the
data?
"It's like a political party claiming it leads in the polls when its lead is
less than the margin of error in the poll."
Three-hundredths of a degree difference in a decade was the same as 0.3�C
difference in a century, which was still 10 times less than some of the
international predictions of rising temperatures, he said.
"Suppose, for the sake of argument, nobody had ever thought about climate
change and global warming, but we just wanted to look at climate trends,"
Trewinnard said.
"If you had this data, I'm absolutely certain your conclusion would be that
temperatures were much the same for the 2000s as the other decades."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/3210392/Doubts-cast-on-warmest-decade
Warmest Regards
Bon_0
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Surfer
>
>A National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) statement
>yesterday reaffirmed its statements that the decade was likely to be the
>hottest recorded.
>
Thanks for quoting a reliable source.
dechucka
" n0 b o" <m...@nnn.com> wrote in message news:4b46b75d$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
>
> 7 Jan 2010
>
>
>
> Doubts are being raised about the significance of new figures showing the
> past decade has been New Zealand's warmest on record.
>
>
>
> Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
> hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
> warmest.
>
>
>
> A National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) statement
> yesterday reaffirmed its statements that the decade was likely to be the
> hottest recorded.
>
>
>
> However, the new statement failed to include figures.
>
>
>
> Weather forecaster Tony Trewinnard said it was doubtful a few hundredths
> of a degree was such a statistically significant amount on which to base
> such statements.
You are using quotes from a bloke who manages an on-line weather service to
contradict the NIWA. Great another OP who can't understand the difference
between weather and climate
Arthur Brain
> 7 Jan 2010
>
> Doubts are being raised about the significance of new figures showing the
> past decade has been New Zealand's warmest on record.
>
> Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
> hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
> warmest.
Yeah?
Raise some doubts over these figures then:
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/extremes/timeseries.cgi?graph=WSDI&ave_yr=0
Would you be suggesting the past decade was the *coldest* on record
any time soon?
ralph
Meanwhile, in the northern hemisphere, global warming seems to have
gone into hiding ...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/weather/01/08/winter.weather.key.west/index.html
Key West, Florida, the southernmost point in the continental United
States, hit a 131-year low of 47 degrees Thursday and the forecast
promised more of the same as icy cold swept across the Southeast.
Temperatures on Sunday and Monday at the tip of the Sunshine State are
expected to be in the low-to-mid-40s.
The fast-moving cold that gave Florida the chills also combined with
moisture from the Gulf of Mexico to dump a dangerous mix of ice and
snow throughout the Southeast, coating roadways with a slick glaze.
Numerous school systems throughout the region closed.
At least nine deaths around the country have been blamed on the round
of winter weather this week.
Denz
"ralph" <rste...@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:ncefk55p0matpta14...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:32:08 -0800 (PST), Arthur Brain
> <arthur.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 8, 3:41 pm, " n0 b o" <m...@nnn.com> wrote:
>>> 7 Jan 2010
>>>
>>> Doubts are being raised about the significance of new figures showing
>>> the
>>> past decade has been New Zealand's warmest on record.
>>>
>>> Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
>>> hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
>>> warmest.
>>
>>Yeah?
>>Raise some doubts over these figures then:
>>
>>http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/extremes/timeseries.cgi?graph=WSDI&ave_yr=0
>>
>>Would you be suggesting the past decade was the *coldest* on record
>>any time soon?
>
> Meanwhile, in the northern hemisphere, global warming seems to have
> gone into hiding ...
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/weather/01/08/winter.weather.key.west/index.html
>
> Key West, Florida, the southernmost point in the continental United
> States, hit a 131-year low of 47 degrees Thursday and the forecast
> promised more of the same as icy cold swept across the Southeast.
>
Gee, Key West Florida had a few cold days. We can just dismiss all the data
showing a global warming over the past few decades then.
Mosher
> 7 Jan 2010
>
> Doubts are being raised about the significance of new figures showing the
> past decade has been New Zealand's warmest on record.
>
> Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
> hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
> warmest.
>
> A National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) statement
> yesterday reaffirmed its statements that the decade was likely to be the
> hottest recorded.
>
> However, the new statement failed to include figures.
>
> Weather forecaster Tony Trewinnard said it was doubtful a few hundredths of
> a degree was such a statistically significant amount on which to base such
> statements.
>
> NIWA principal climate scientist James Renwick told The Press temperatures
> at seven key stations over the past 10 years were one-tenth of a degree
> above the 1971-2000 norm.
>
> only a few hundredths of a degree difference," he said.
>
> Asked if the difference was significant, Renwick said: "Well, it is a very
> small amount.
>
> But, officially, it was warmer - the long-term trend is for warming."
>
> Trewinnard questioned how NIWA could claim a long-term warming trend when
> the 2000s were only marginally warmer than the 1971-2000 norm and the 1980s,
> and when the 1990s were cooler than both those decades.
>
> "There isn't a long-term warming trend by Renwick's own numbers,
> nationally," he said.
>
> "If you're comfortable with saying three-hundredths of a degree is
> different, then that's fine, but are those claims really supported by the
> data?
>
> "It's like a political party claiming it leads in the polls when its lead is
> less than the margin of error in the poll."
>
> difference in a century, which was still 10 times less than some of the
> international predictions of rising temperatures, he said.
>
> "Suppose, for the sake of argument, nobody had ever thought about climate
> change and global warming, but we just wanted to look at climate trends,"
> Trewinnard said.
>
> "If you had this data, I'm absolutely certain your conclusion would be that
> temperatures were much the same for the 2000s as the other decades."
>
>
> Warmest Regards
>
> Bon_0
>
> "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
> US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
> worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
> from natural variation."
>
> Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
If you've ever tried to measure temperature in a large industrial
furnace to within a couple of hundredths of a degree overall you would
find it impossible.
Why do people take for granted that you can measure the earths
temperature to such incredible accuracy.
It's just plain fraud.
If only people like Fran would teach students to have inquiring
skeptical minds rather than just fill them with propaganda.
dechucka
> <arthur.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 8, 3:41 pm, " n0 b o" <m...@nnn.com> wrote:
>>> 7 Jan 2010
>>>
>>> Doubts are being raised about the significance of new figures showing
>>> the
>>> past decade has been New Zealand's warmest on record.
>>>
>>> Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
>>> hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
>>> warmest.
>>
>>Yeah?
>>Raise some doubts over these figures then:
>>
>>http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/extremes/timeseries.cgi?graph=WSDI&ave_yr=0
>>
>>Would you be suggesting the past decade was the *coldest* on record
>>any time soon?
>
> Meanwhile, in the northern hemisphere, global warming seems to have
> gone into hiding ...
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/weather/01/08/winter.weather.key.west/index.html
Another moron who doesn't know the difference between weather and climate
leona...@gmail.com
• When you cite "a reliable source" I want to go
further.
Check with Dr Vincent Gray in NZ.
He will have the right stuff.
— —
| In real science the burden of proof is always
| on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
| neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
| iota of valid data for global warming nor have
| they provided data that climate change is being
| effected by commerce and industry, and not by
| natural phenomena
leona...@gmail.com
> " n0 b o" <m...@nnn.com> wrote in messagenews:4b46b75d$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
• Chuck it up spammer
I guess you are too stupid to understand that
'all' weather is a product of Climate
ralph
wrote:
Sure I do ... one is primarily political fiction pushed by leftists,
the other is real and killing people with cold temperatures.
dechucka
<leona...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 8, 2:57 pm, "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> " n0 b o" <m...@nnn.com> wrote in
> messagenews:4b46b75d$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> > 7 Jan 2010
>
> > Doubts are being raised about the significance of new figures showing
> > the
> > past decade has been New Zealand's warmest on record.
>
> > Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
> > hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
> > warmest.
>
> > A National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) statement
> > yesterday reaffirmed its statements that the decade was likely to be the
> > hottest recorded.
>
> > However, the new statement failed to include figures.
>
> > Weather forecaster Tony Trewinnard said it was doubtful a few hundredths
> > of a degree was such a statistically significant amount on which to base
> > such statements.
>
> You are using quotes from a bloke who manages an on-line weather service
> to
> contradict the NIWA. Great another OP who can't understand the difference
> between weather and climate
� Chuck it up spammer
I guess you are too stupid to understand that
'all' weather is a product of Climate
================================================
but weather is not climate. Keep making a prat of yourself by putting
forward weather in your arguments against climate change
dechucka
as I said Another moron who doesn't know the difference between weather and
climate
ralph
No ... but you can try to explain how it is that with such a buildup
of CO2 supposedly causing measurable and dangerous global warming that
we somehow are STILL managing to break century old records for COLD
temperatures and people in the northern hemisphere are today being
killed due to those conditions?
And more relevant to Australians, why are we rushing to unilaterally
make ourselves less competitive economically by implementing an ETS at
the same time that freezing temperatures are a bigger problem for
humans than hot temperatures?
ralph
wrote:
Still no denial or explanation how, despite more than a century of
supposed man-made global warming, we are still breaking records for
COLD temperatures around the globe.
Try again Mr. Science.
leona...@gmail.com
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/20climate
10/US/weather/01/08/winter.weather.key.west/inde...
>
• "Those who would call others, "moron" need
only look in a mirror to see a real one."
•
• Wwweeeeeell Upchuck, it'is like this, those who
don't know the difference between weather and
climate and I suspect you are one, will be
among those who will suffer most from our
changing climate. In the next 50± years, expect
lots of extreme hots, extreme wet and extreme
dry. Dr Woillard phrased it thus, "nature wreaks
havoc on humanity".
Some short time after 2050 you, if you are still
alive will find that the polar ice is creeping
toward the Equator.
• If my health permits (it is iffy) I will have my
manual:- Surviving Climate Change in the
Twenty-First Century on the stands
by September.
dechucka
and hot. Your PoV is what
>
> Try again Mr. Science.
Do you have any understanding of mathematical concepts like means, ranges,
averages an normal distributions?
dechucka
<leona...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 8, 7:30 pm, "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/20climate
10/US/weather/01/08/winter.weather.key.west/inde...
>
� "Those who would call others, "moron" need
only look in a mirror to see a real one."
�
� Wwweeeeeell Upchuck, it'is like this, those who
don't know the difference between weather and
climate and I suspect you are one, will be
among those who will suffer most from our
changing climate. In the next 50� years, expect
lots of extreme hots, extreme wet and extreme
dry. Dr Woillard phrased it thus, "nature wreaks
havoc on humanity".
Some short time after 2050 you, if you are still
alive will find that the polar ice is creeping
toward the Equator.
� If my health permits (it is iffy) I will have my
manual:- Surviving Climate Change in the
Twenty-First Century on the stands
by September.
===========================================
Hope the paleontologist is wrong. My belief is that we are in a warming
section of the CLIMATE cycle and this will cause more extreme WEATHER
n0 b o
"Surfer" <n...@spam.net> wrote in message
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But you left this out, as well as the Medi�val Warm Period!
"Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
warmest."
"a few hundredths of a degree"!!!!!!
Some warming!
n0 b o
"Arthur Brain" <arthur.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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======================================
That's a precipitous drop on the right hand side of the graph.
Global cooling maybe?
n0 b o
"Denz" <nos...@here.com> wrote in message
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You mean this data?
Yeah I'd dismiss it ....
Climate Data Tampering Warms The Planet!
Climate Data Tampering Warms Australia
Climate Data Tampering Warms Darwin
Climate Data Tampering Warms New Zealand
Climate Data Tampering Warms Russia
Climate Data Tampering Warms Alaska
Climate Data Tampering Warms Sweden
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/making_sweden_warmer/
Fraudulent Hockey Sticks And Hidden Data
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey-sticks-and-hidden-data/#more-4660
Would You Buy A Used Car From These So-Called "Scientists"?
Our gullible alarmist friends have obviously fallen for this scam hook,
line, and sinker!
First we had the IPCC report "The Science of Climate Change 1995", where
lead auther Benjamin D. Santer removed the following conclusions made by
genuine scientists, and without the scientists being made aware of this
change.
"None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can
attribute the observed climate changes to the specific cause of increases in
greenhouse gases."
"No study to date has positively attributed all or part [of the climate
change observed to date] to anthropogenic [man-made] causes."
"Any claims of positive detection of significant climate change are likely
to remain controversial until uncertainties in the total natural variability
of the climate system are reduced."
Then we have some choice quotes from so-called "consensus scientists".
"The two MMs [Canadian skeptics Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick] have been
after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom
of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than
send to anyone."
Phil Jones email, Feb 2 2005
"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report, Kevin and
I will keep them out somehow, even if we have to redefine what the
peer-review literature is!"
Phil Jones Director, The CRU
[cutting skeptical scientists out of an official UN report]
"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment,
and it is a travesty that we can't .there should be even more warming... the
data are surely wrong".
Kevin Trenberth, Climatologist, US Centre for Atmospheric Research
"...If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the
science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn't
being political, it is being selfish. "
Phil Jones Director, The CRU
"We have to get rid of the Medi�val Warm Period" Confided to geophysicist
David Deming by the IPCC, 1995
[Many believe that man to be Jonathan Overpeck, which Prof. Deming didn't
deny in an email response, who would later also serve as an IPCC lead
author.]
"We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data
available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?"
Phil Jones Director, The CRU
"We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements,
and make little mention of any doubts we might have." Professor Stephen
Schneider
"Humans need a common motivation ... either a real one or else one invented
for the purpose. ... In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages,
famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by
human intervention so the real enemy then, is humanity itself." Club of Rome
declaration
"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is
true.... You are what the media define you to be. Greenpeace became a myth
and fund generating machine." Paul Watson, Co-Founder Greenpeace, Forbes,
Nov. 1991
Now what conclusion would a rational and sceptical person come to?
Frederick Seitz, president emeritus of Rockefeller University and chairman
of the George C. Marshall Institute, summed it up nicely after seeing the
changes made to the IPCC report.
"In my more than 60 years as a member of the American scientific community,
including service as president of both the National Academy of Sciences and
the American Physical Society, I have never witnessed a more disturbing
corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC
report."
leona...@gmail.com
> <leonard7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:319b11c0-7649-4646...@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 8, 7:30 pm, "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > >http://www.cnn.com/20climate
>
> 10/US/weather/01/08/winter.weather.key.west/inde...
>
only look in a mirror to see a real one."
• Wwweeeeeell Upchuck, it'is like this, those who
don't know the difference between weather and
climate and I suspect you are one, will be
among those who will suffer most from our
changing climate. In the next 50 years, expect
lots of extreme hots, extreme wet and extreme
dry. Dr Woillard phrased it thus, "nature wreaks
havoc on humanity".
Some short time after 2050 you, if you are still
alive will find that the polar ice is creeping
toward the Equator.
If my health permits (it is iffy) I will have my
manual:- Surviving Climate Change in the
Twenty-First Century on the stands
by September.
> Hope the paleontologist is wrong. My belief is that we are in a warming
> section of the CLIMATE cycle and this will cause more extreme WEATHER
• ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
dechucka
<leona...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 8, 8:38 pm, "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <leonard7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:319b11c0-7649-4646...@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 8, 7:30 pm, "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > >http://www.cnn.com/20climate
>
> 10/US/weather/01/08/winter.weather.key.west/inde...
>
"Those who would call others, "moron" need
only look in a mirror to see a real one."
� Wwweeeeeell Upchuck, it'is like this, those who
don't know the difference between weather and
climate and I suspect you are one, will be
among those who will suffer most from our
changing climate. In the next 50 years, expect
lots of extreme hots, extreme wet and extreme
dry. Dr Woillard phrased it thus, "nature wreaks
havoc on humanity".
Some short time after 2050 you, if you are still
alive will find that the polar ice is creeping
toward the Equator.
If my health permits (it is iffy) I will have my
manual:- Surviving Climate Change in the
Twenty-First Century on the stands
by September.
> Hope the paleontologist is wrong. My belief is that we are in a warming
> section of the CLIMATE cycle and this will cause more extreme WEATHER
� ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
=====================================================
Interesting response
Arthur Brain
> On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:01:55 GMT, "Denz" <nos...@here.com> wrote:
>
> >news:ncefk55p0matpta14...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:32:08 -0800 (PST), Arthur Brain
> >> <arthur.brain.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Jan 8, 3:41 pm, " n0 b o" <m...@nnn.com> wrote:
> >>>> 7 Jan 2010
>
> >>>> Doubts are being raised about the significance of new figures showing
> >>>> the
> >>>> past decade has been New Zealand's warmest on record.
>
> >>>> Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
> >>>> hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
> >>>> warmest.
>
> >>>Yeah?
> >>>Raise some doubts over these figures then:
>
>
> >>>Would you be suggesting the past decade was the *coldest* on record
> >>>any time soon?
>
> >> Meanwhile, in the northern hemisphere, global warming seems to have
> >> gone into hiding ...
>
>
> >> Key West, Florida, the southernmost point in the continental United
> >> States, hit a 131-year low of 47 degrees Thursday and the forecast
> >> promised more of the same as icy cold swept across the Southeast.
>
> >Gee, Key West Florida had a few cold days. We can just dismiss all the data
> >showing a global warming over the past few decades then.
>
> No ... but you can try to explain how it is that with such a buildup
> of CO2 supposedly causing measurable and dangerous global warming that
> we somehow are STILL managing to break century old records for COLD
> temperatures and people in the northern hemisphere are today being
> killed due to those conditions?
Did you somehow imagine that a 1-degree rise in average temperature
means the weather stops happening?
> And more relevant to Australians, why are we rushing to unilaterally
> make ourselves less competitive economically by implementing an ETS at
> the same time that freezing temperatures are a bigger problem for
> humans than hot temperatures?
Are they? The difference between civilised humans and africans is that
we evolved in an icy climate. Seems to me that cold is much better for
us than hot.
Arthur Brain
> <leonard7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c625589e-33af-493d...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 8, 8:38 pm, "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:> <leonard7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > Hope the paleontologist is wrong. My belief is that we are in a warming
> > section of the CLIMATE cycle and this will cause more extreme WEATHER
> • ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
> =====================================================
> Interesting response
I do voluteer work with retards - often the medication they are on
makes them do a lot of ROTFLMAO. They are very funny.
Sometimes I take them for a walk and I surreptitiously stand them on a
meat-ant nest.
That's even funnier, because the medication they are on delays their
realisation that ants are crawling up them, so by the time they do
realise, they are covered in hundreds of the little bastards and then
they start dancing around making even cooler noises than ROTFLMAO!!!!
ralph
wrote:
Indeed ... the next decade may be warmer ... or cooler ... than the
last (depending on who, where and how measured apparently). Same as it
ever was.
Fact is, over the past 100 years or so, the average life span in the
civilised world has increased by 30 years thanks to benefits and
advances driven primarily by the same carbon output we are now
labelling as evil.
So let's assume those record cold temps in the northern hemisphere are
indeed an anomaly and that in fact AGW really is happening ... then
all we know is that it may or may not reduce life spans and living
standards over the next few decades. However, significantly reducing
carbon today without a viable energy alternative definitely will ...
by making medical advances, drugs, manufactured products, and even
food production that much more expensive, for many more people.
If you expect Australians to come to the party of carbon reduction,
then at least offer the alternative of nuclear energy (being the only
economically viable alternative for large-scale electricity
generation).
Instead, at this point in time, AGW hypocrites still attack anyone who
dares mention nuclear for consideration here in Australia - suggesting
to me that it is more a case of political opportunism by leftists, not
concern for future living standards (let alone the present), that
really drives "climate change" activism.
I am referring specifically to insulting drivel like this ...
"So, a Liberal Party, divided down the middle on climate change,
united about one thing and that's putting a nuclear power plant in
everyone's backyard."
-Kevin Rudd 23 Jul 2009
(ref: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/23/2634719.htm)
Yet we should trust this disingenuous and fear-mongering opportunist
when he tells us how important it is that we must reduce our carbon
output?
Finally, the idea of pursuing a unilateral ETS to reduce carbon output
in an industrial minnow like Australia, without likewise schemes for
China, North America, India, and Europe is just so obviously foolish
and irresponsible, I can't believe Labor is seriously considering
triggering an election on the issue.
dechucka
Fine you come from the "it may be happening but the price to stop it to
high" school. Fair enough but please don't raise the weather as showing the
climate isn't getting warmer. Remember the climate is in a constant state of
flux.
leona...@gmail.com
> <leonard7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:e679c32d-21c2-4fa6...@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 8, 2:57 pm, "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > " n0 b o" <m...@nnn.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:4b46b75d$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> > > 7 Jan 2010
>
> > > Doubts are being raised about the significance of new figures showing
> > > the
> > > past decade has been New Zealand's warmest on record.
>
> > > Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
> > > hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
> > > warmest.
>
> > > A National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) statement
> > > yesterday reaffirmed its statements that the decade was likely to be the
> > > hottest recorded.
>
> > > However, the new statement failed to include figures.
>
> > > Weather forecaster Tony Trewinnard said it was doubtful a few hundredths
> > > of a degree was such a statistically significant amount on which to base
> > > such statements.
>
> > You are using quotes from a bloke who manages an on-line weather service
> > to
> > contradict the NIWA. Great another OP who can't understand the difference
> > between weather and climate
>
>
>
> ================================================
>
> but weather is not climate. Keep making a prat of yourself by putting
> forward weather in your arguments against climate change
• I guess you are too stupid to understand that
'all' weather is a product of Climate
• Even stupid you are not against "climate change".
However the global climate has been in a
constant state of flux for 500 million years or
more.
That involves 5 thousand cycles of 100,000
years with 10 thousand year interglacial periods
in between. The last ice age ended 13 thousand
years ago and we are at the end_of_Interglacial.
• Answer this:
1- Can you make the wind to blow?
2- Can you make the rain to fall?
3- If not how do you expect to alter the climate?
leona...@gmail.com
> On Jan 8, 3:41 pm, " n0 b o" <m...@nnn.com> wrote:
>
> > 7 Jan 2010
>
> > Doubts are being raised about the significance of new figures showing the
> > past decade has been New Zealand's warmest on record.
>
> > Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
> > hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
> > warmest.
>
> Yeah?
> Raise some doubts over these figures then:
>
>
> Would you be suggesting the past decade was the *coldest* on record
> any time soon?
• Brainless Brain asks stupid questions. We are
at the end of the interglacial period, a time
when we must expect weather extremes. So
you you must expect that some time after 2050
that the polar ice will start inching toward the
Equator.
All you AGW jackasses keep denying history
and science.
leona...@gmail.com
> "ralph" <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> news:ncefk55p0matpta14...@4ax.com...
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>
>
> > On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:32:08 -0800 (PST), Arthur Brain
> > <arthur.brain.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Jan 8, 3:41 pm, " n0 b o" <m...@nnn.com> wrote:
> >>> 7 Jan 2010
>
> >>> Doubts are being raised about the significance of new figures showing
> >>> the
> >>> past decade has been New Zealand's warmest on record.
>
> >>> Average national temperatures over the past decade were just a few
> >>> hundredths of a degree Celsius higher than in the 1980s, the previous
> >>> warmest.
>
> >>Yeah?
> >>Raise some doubts over these figures then:
>
>
> >>Would you be suggesting the past decade was the *coldest* on record
> >>any time soon?
>
> > Meanwhile, in the northern hemisphere, global warming seems to have
> > gone into hiding ...
>
>
> > Key West, Florida, the southernmost point in the continental United
> > States, hit a 131-year low of 47 degrees Thursday and the forecast
> > promised more of the same as icy cold swept across the Southeast.
>
> Gee, Key West Florida had a few cold days. We can just dismiss all the data
> showing a global warming over the past few decades then.
• Indeed Dense Denz, You have no verifiable
data showing a global warming. NONE at all.
dechucka
<leona...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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� I guess you are too stupid to understand that
'all' weather is a product of Climate
=================================================
Sorry your point is? Do you beleive all dogs have 4 legs my cat has 4 legs
therefore my cat is a dog> Same "loric you are using
� Even stupid you are not against "climate change".
However the global climate has been in a
constant state of flux for 500 million years or
more.
That involves 5 thousand cycles of 100,000
years with 10 thousand year interglacial periods
in between. The last ice age ended 13 thousand
years ago and we are at the end_of_Interglacial.
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So do you beleive we ae in a warming or cooling part of the graph?
� Answer this:
1- Can you make the wind to blow?
2- Can you make the rain to fall?
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If a butterfly in the Amazon basin can cause a cyclone in Australia maybe I
can.
3- If not how do you expect to alter the climate?
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What has that got to do with if the climate is getting warmer or not?