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Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.support.tourette
From: Anonymous <nob...@remailer.privacy.at>
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:18:07 +0100 (CET)
Local: Sun, Dec 1 2002 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: Leslie Packer, NY psychologist & child abuser??
(___my sincerest apologies if this gets posted twice...___)
The following will show the results in typical "KOOK" votes.
The posts below show Dr. Rogers is indeed a liar and that
Dr. Leslie Packer frequently got her children (Loren and Justin)
to vote in these sick abuse "elections" for KOOKs.   They do this
along with other familiar psychologists and psychology Usenet leaders,
such as sppm moderater John Price and sppm ombudsman Paul Berhartdt.
Quoting old posts to newsgroups:

From: Cognitee (good_b...@hotmail.com)
 Subject: Re: [Leslie et al] WINNERS: December 1997 LMA honors
 Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
 Date: 1998/01/24

Thought you all might like to see how Peter, Leslie Packer and John Price
spend their time elsewhere (see voting described in post below).  What
great people !!

P.S.  To Leslie:
  Nice [self-serving] role model, Leslie Packer !!  What a mom !! <
LAUGHING >  Surely you aren't having Justin vote in your behalf in
alt.usenet.kooks, are you ???  Are you teaching him to hate?  Those who do
also hate themselves !!!  (IF this is what you are doing: No wonder he has
had serious emotional problems !!)

P.S.  I see no other Justins in the newsgroup !!!!  Bending a YOUNG child
to your will.  Is this ethical??

In article <libel-ya02408000R2201981340470...@news.concentric.net>,

li...@wilhelp.TAKEthisOUT.com (Phoenix) wrote:

[snip]

> AND THE WINNER IS:  BARD JESNESS & TIM BROWN!!

> As if it were a surprise.  One voted for another candidate just to *try* and
> make it look even remotely fair:

> (1st) Brad Jesness - Larry C. Lyons, Loren, Justin, Leslie Packer, ME,
>Catfish,
>         Wiz, s302728, Dave Ratcliffe, Kurt Lewin, Patricia, Cipher, John
>Davis, Jee,
>         Peter Hood, John Price
>         Tim Brown - Leslie Packer, Bobby Tendinitis, ME, Catfish, Wiz,
>s302728,
>         Dave Ratcliffe, Patricia, Cipher, John Davis, Jee, Peter Hood,
>John Price,
>         Raoul Xemblinosky, John, David Farrar
> (2nd) Steve Keohane - Kevin Podsiadlik, Taylor
> (3rd) Antispam.org -

[snip]

> Here's how the vote for the Bobo Award went down:

> (1st) Earl Curley - ME, Catfish, Wiz, Dave Ratcliffe, Patricia, Kevin
>Podsiadlik,
>          Cipher, John Davis, Jee, Peter Hood, John Price

> Oh, and Bard is the 2nd winner of the John M. Goober Memorial Award.  He
> happened to gain this with the most votes of any singular candidate in
>the history
> of the LMA family:

> YES - Leslie Packer, Larry C. Lyons, Edna, Loren, Justin, ME, Catfish, Wiz,
>            s302728, Dave Ratcliffe, Kurt Lewin, Patricia, Kevin
>Podsiadlik, Cipher,
>            John Davis, Jee, Taylor, Seymour J. Metz, Peter Hood, John Price
> NO -

> --HISTORY--

>   LOONEY MAROON AWARD

[snip]

From: k...@shorty.com (k...@shorty.com)
 Subject: DECEMBER 1997 KOTM Results
 Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks
 Date: 1998/01/15

*whew*. Lots of votes this month.

Following are results for:

Usenet Kook Of The Month
Victor Von Frankenstein Weird Science Award
Hook, Line, And Sinker Award
Golden Killfile Award

I'm recounting the Kook Of The Year award, as there may
have been some ballot box stuffing. I'll announce the
results in the next day or so. If my suspicions aren't
taken care of, I'll throw out the suspicious votes.

I'm still calculating the Top Ten Kooks of All Time results.
I hope to have results in the next few days.

And now, the results..

--------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 USENET KOOK OF THE MONTH:

        TIM BROWN!

The results:

 Tim Brown: 26 votes
 Tom Potter: 12 votes
 Douglas Reiman: 5 votes

Congratulations, Tim. If trying to claim that you're the
KOTM wrangler _and_ the KOTM Vote Wrangler in one month
wasn't enough, your turning around and voting in the
official KOTM awards does it for us.

---------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN WEIRD SCIECE AWARD:

        ARCHIMEDES PLUTONIUM!

The results:

 Archimedes Plutomium: 21 votes
 alt.mcdonalds.crew: 9 votes

Congratulations, Arch!  I can't wait to see how you change this
posting around to suit your needs!

---------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 HOOK. LINE, AND SINKER AWARD:

        RON RITZMAN!

The results:

 Ron Ritzman: 26 votes

Congratulations, Ron!

---------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 GOLDEN KILLFILE AWARD:

        BRAD JESSNESS / COGNITEE!

The Results:

 Brad Jessness/Cognitee: 30 votes

---------------------------
And here's how people voted:
---------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 USENET KOOK OF THE MONTH

Douglas Reiman          <66lnk3$t0...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>

        Harvey J. Cohen
        David Farrar
        Dennis Kowallek
        Kevin Podsiadlik
        Dave Ratcliffe

Tim Brown               <67o33k$...@camel18.mindspring.com>

        Andy Beckwith
        Paul Bernhardt
        Kevin J. Burnett
        Cipher
        Cousens
        Gordon Cummings
        John Davis
        Dr. Digger
        Stuart Fraser
        Andrew Haley
        Robert Hatcher
        Tim Hill
        Luce Kanen
        Macabrus
        William Mullin
        Taylor Netscum
        Norman Nithman
        Leslie Packer
        John M. Price
        Russ Price
        Jim Prince
        Don Root
        Mr. Sam
        StukaFox
        Peter Vorobieff
        Wiz

Tom Potter              <68aaqc$...@garcia.efn.org>

        Tim Brown
        Jason Christian
        Scott D. Erb
        Gary Frazier
        Andrew Hall
        Larry C. Lyons
        Diana Mathews
        Eric Sieferman
        Tom Tilley
        Tim Tulley
        USSMontana
        Zepp

---------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN WEIRD SCIENCE AWARD

Archimedes Plutonium    <34842721.165...@news.sunderland.ac.uk>

        Andy Beckwith
        Paul Bernhardt
        Harvey J. Cohen
        Cousens
        John Davis
        Stuart Fraser
        Gary Frazier
        Andrew Haley
        Robert Hatcher
        Macabrus
        William Mullin
        Norman Nithman
        Kevin Podsiadlik
        John M. Price
        Russ Price
        Dave Ratcliffe
        Don Root
        Tim Tulley
        USSMontana
        Peter Vorobieff
        Zepp

alt.mcdonalds.crew      <tahosa-ya02408000R0112971423030...@news.concentric.net>

        Cipher
        Gordon Cummings
        David Farrar
        Tim Hill
        Larry C. Lyons
        Taylor Netscum
        Jim Prince
        StukaFox
        Wiz

----------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER AWARD

Ron Ritzman             <tahosa-ya02408000R0112971432170...@news.concentric.net>

        Andy Beckwith
        Paul Bernhardt
        Cipher
        Harvey J. Cohen
        Cousens
        Gordon Cummings
        John Davis
        Jamie Eimermann
        David Farrar
        Gary Frazier
        Tim Hill
        Larry C. Lyons
        Macabrus
        William Mullin
        Norman Nithman
        Kevin Podsiadlik
        John M. Price
        Russ Price
        Dave Ratcliffe
        Don Root
        Mr. Sam
        StukaFox
        Tim Tulley
        USSMontana
        Wiz
        Zepp

----------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 GOLDEN KILLFILE AWARD

Brad Jessness/Cognitee  <holdover from October>

        Ed Anderson
        Paul Bernhardt
        Cipher
        Harvey J. Cohen
        Cousens
        Gordon Cummings
        John Davis
        Edna
        Jamie Eimermann
        David Farrar
        Gary Frazier
        GTV3419
        Robert Hatcher
        Justin
        Loren
        Larry C. Lyons
        Macabrus
        William Mullin
        Norman Nithman
        Leslie Packer
        Kevin Podsiadlik
        John M. Price
        Russ Price
        Dave Ratcliffe
        Don Root
        StukaFox
        Tim Tulley
        USSMontana
        Wiz
        Zepp

----------------------------

From: Tim Brown (bathr...@iglou2.iglou.com)
 Subject: Re: DECEMBER 1997 KOTM Results
 Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks
 Date: 1998/01/16

k...@shorty.com writes:
>Tim Brown              <67o33k$...@camel18.mindspring.com>
>       Andy Beckwith
>       Paul Bernhardt
>       Kevin J. Burnett
>       Cipher
>       Cousens
>       Gordon Cummings
>       John Davis
>       Dr. Digger
>       Stuart Fraser
>       Andrew Haley
>       Robert Hatcher
>       Tim Hill
>       Luce Kanen
>       Macabrus
>       William Mullin
>       Taylor Netscum
>       Norman Nithman
>       Leslie Packer
>       John M. Price
>       Russ Price
>       Jim Prince
>       Don Root
>       Mr. Sam
>       StukaFox
>       Peter Vorobieff
>       Wiz

Folks,
   To show you the caliber of Honerkamp's fake Kook of the Month awards,
it is necessary to expose the kook credentials of many of those who voted
for me in this phony contest.
   AHEM!  Ahem ahem ahem.
   Paul Birdfart is a 'Net stalker who was involved in the July '97 ballot
box stuffing that led to Brad Jesness being declared Kook of the Month
back then.
   Cipher is a minor 'Net stalker.
   Cousens is actually Frank Weltner, a known neo-Nazi who posted racist
diatribes on alt.revolution.american.second last year under the aliases
Parker Beatley, Robert Blakely, Bob Poteet, Dwight Eisenhower (!), and
George Cousins.
   John Davis is an alias used by members of Westboro Baptist Church, a
Topeka, Kansas, cult that holds signs saying "GOD HATES FAGS" in front of
funerals of AIDS victims.  They have a web page, www.godhatesfags.com,
which is absolutely the most disgusting page I have ever seen.
   Luce Kanen is another small-time 'Net stalker like Cipher.
   William Mullin (real name: Chris Yoder)--no comments needed.
   Leslie Packer is a dangerous 'Net abuser who instigated the witch hunt
against Brad Jesness.
   John Price-is-Right isn't right.  Well, maybe he's on the right
politically, but not right as in correct.  He has been harassing Brad
Jesness continuously for no other reason other than that Mr. Jesness dares
to disagree with John Price-is-Wrong.  He created a newsgroup called
alt.brad.jesness.die.die.die with the express purpose of harassing Mr.
Jesness, and my stomach literally turned when I saw that Price was abusing
somebody for no reason at all except to boost his exalted opinion of
himself.
   StupaFox is actually Mike Beebe, whose racist flamewars and attempts to
censor newsgroups are fairly well-known.
   Peter Voopvoopieff has been a jerk for a long time.  Most of his posts
aren't even made up of words, just either "fdhjsdfghsgdfhsga" or quotes of
messages followed by "*plonk*" or "*snicker*".  A bore!
   I am unfamiliar with the other people who cast their votes for me,
but--just as in public elections--I am absolutely certain that some cast
their votes the way they did because of lies and distortions that they
were subjected to by the character assassins who run this scam.  That does
not, however, excuse them of the responsibility to find out the truth, and
I am going to file them just as I do with the other people who voted for
me.  If they want me to absolve them of their poor judgment in casting
their vote, they are going to have some explaining to do and some hard
work to let the truth be told.
   I have gained respect for certain individuals, such as Dave Ratcliffe
and a few others, seeing that they voted for other candidates instead of
me, but since I know now that they know the truth, it is their
responsibility to let the truth be known.
   What amazes me is that nobody has noticed how many of those who voted
for me are either avowed neo-Nazis, pathological harassers, or both.
   If people finally summon the courage to admit that it is wrong to treat
me the way I have been treated, then for many people, all will be
forgiven.  My main concern is stopping those who I truly hate, such as
Mullin, Westboro, etc.
   Now, onto other awards:

>FOR DECEMBER 1997 VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN WEIRD SCIENCE AWARD
>Archimedes Plutonium   <34842721.165...@news.sunderland.ac.uk>
>       Andy Beckwith
>       Paul Bernhardt
>       Harvey J. Cohen
>       Cousens
>       John Davis
>       Stuart Fraser
>       Gary Frazier
>       Andrew Haley
>       Robert Hatcher
>       Macabrus
>       William Mullin
>       Norman Nithman
>       Kevin Podsiadlik
>       John M. Price
>       Russ Price
>       Dave Ratcliffe
>       Don Root
>       Tim Tulley
>       USSMontana
>       Peter Vorobieff
>       Zepp

This greatly enhances my opinion of Archimedes Plutonium.

>FOR DECEMBER 1997 HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER AWARD
>Ron Ritzman
><tahosa-ya02408000R0112971432170...@news.concentric.net>
>       Andy Beckwith
>       Paul Bernhardt
>       Cipher
>       Harvey J. Cohen
>       Cousens
>       Gordon Cummings
>       John Davis
>       Jamie Eimermann
>       David Farrar
>       Gary Frazier
>       Tim Hill
>       Larry C. Lyons
>       Macabrus
>       William Mullin
>       Norman Nithman
>       Kevin Podsiadlik
>       John M. Price
>       Russ Price
>       Dave Ratcliffe
>       Don Root
>       Mr. Sam
>       StukaFox
>       Tim Tulley
>       USSMontana
>       Wiz
>       Zepp

Similarly, this enhances my opinion of Ron Ritzman, even though I've never
heard of him before.  The fact that Mullin hates him is enough.

>FOR DECEMBER 1997 GOLDEN KILLFILE AWARD
>Brad Jessness/Cognitee <holdover from October>
>       Ed Anderson
>       Paul Bernhardt
>       Cipher
>       Harvey J. Cohen
>       Cousens
>       Gordon Cummings
>       John Davis
>       Edna
>       Jamie Eimermann
>       David Farrar
>       Gary Frazier
>       GTV3419
>       Robert Hatcher
>       Justin
>       Loren
>       Larry C. Lyons
>       Macabrus
>       William Mullin
>       Norman Nithman
>       Leslie Packer
>       Kevin Podsiadlik
>       John M. Price
>       Russ Price
>       Dave Ratcliffe
>       Don Root
>       StukaFox
>       Tim Tulley
>       USSMontana
>       Wiz
>       Zepp

I've noticed that most of the people who voted for me, Archimedes,
Ritzman, and Jesness are EXACTLY THE SAME.  Is this another case of ballot
box stuffing?
--
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Annoy a fascist -- Read THE LAST WORD in public!

From: k...@shorty.com (k...@shorty.com)
 Subject: DECEMBER 1997 KOTM Results
 Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks
 Date: 1998/01/15

*whew*. Lots of votes this month.

Following are results for:

Usenet Kook Of The Month
Victor Von Frankenstein Weird Science Award
Hook, Line, And Sinker Award
Golden Killfile Award

I'm recounting the Kook Of The Year award, as there may
have been some ballot box stuffing. I'll announce the
results in the next day or so. If my suspicions aren't
taken care of, I'll throw out the suspicious votes.

I'm still calculating the Top Ten Kooks of All Time results.
I hope to have results in the next few days.

And now, the results..

--------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 USENET KOOK OF THE MONTH:

        TIM BROWN!

The results:

 Tim Brown: 26 votes
 Tom Potter: 12 votes
 Douglas Reiman: 5 votes

Congratulations, Tim. If trying to claim that you're the
KOTM wrangler _and_ the KOTM Vote Wrangler in one month
wasn't enough, your turning around and voting in the
official KOTM awards does it for us.

---------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN WEIRD SCIECE AWARD:

        ARCHIMEDES PLUTONIUM!

The results:

 Archimedes Plutomium: 21 votes
 alt.mcdonalds.crew: 9 votes

Congratulations, Arch!  I can't wait to see how you change this
posting around to suit your needs!

---------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 HOOK. LINE, AND SINKER AWARD:

        RON RITZMAN!

The results:

 Ron Ritzman: 26 votes

Congratulations, Ron!

---------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 GOLDEN KILLFILE AWARD:

        BRAD JESSNESS / COGNITEE!

The Results:

 Brad Jessness/Cognitee: 30 votes

---------------------------
And here's how people voted:
---------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 USENET KOOK OF THE MONTH

Douglas Reiman          <66lnk3$t0...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>

        Harvey J. Cohen
        David Farrar
        Dennis Kowallek
        Kevin Podsiadlik
        Dave Ratcliffe

Tim Brown               <67o33k$...@camel18.mindspring.com>

        Andy Beckwith
        Paul Bernhardt
        Kevin J. Burnett
        Cipher
        Cousens
        Gordon Cummings
        John Davis
        Dr. Digger
        Stuart Fraser
        Andrew Haley
        Robert Hatcher
        Tim Hill
        Luce Kanen
        Macabrus
        William Mullin
        Taylor Netscum
        Norman Nithman
        Leslie Packer
        John M. Price
        Russ Price
        Jim Prince
        Don Root
        Mr. Sam
        StukaFox
        Peter Vorobieff
        Wiz

Tom Potter              <68aaqc$...@garcia.efn.org>

        Tim Brown
        Jason Christian
        Scott D. Erb
        Gary Frazier
        Andrew Hall
        Larry C. Lyons
        Diana Mathews
        Eric Sieferman
        Tom Tilley
        Tim Tulley
        USSMontana
        Zepp

---------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN WEIRD SCIENCE AWARD

Archimedes Plutonium    <34842721.165...@news.sunderland.ac.uk>

        Andy Beckwith
        Paul Bernhardt
        Harvey J. Cohen
        Cousens
        John Davis
        Stuart Fraser
        Gary Frazier
        Andrew Haley
        Robert Hatcher
        Macabrus
        William Mullin
        Norman Nithman
        Kevin Podsiadlik
        John M. Price
        Russ Price
        Dave Ratcliffe
        Don Root
        Tim Tulley
        USSMontana
        Peter Vorobieff
        Zepp

alt.mcdonalds.crew      <tahosa-ya02408000R0112971423030...@news.concentric.net>

        Cipher
        Gordon Cummings
        David Farrar
        Tim Hill
        Larry C. Lyons
        Taylor Netscum
        Jim Prince
        StukaFox
        Wiz

----------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER AWARD

Ron Ritzman             <tahosa-ya02408000R0112971432170...@news.concentric.net>

        Andy Beckwith
        Paul Bernhardt
        Cipher
        Harvey J. Cohen
        Cousens
        Gordon Cummings
        John Davis
        Jamie Eimermann
        David Farrar
        Gary Frazier
        Tim Hill
        Larry C. Lyons
        Macabrus
        William Mullin
        Norman Nithman
        Kevin Podsiadlik
        John M. Price
        Russ Price
        Dave Ratcliffe
        Don Root
        Mr. Sam
        StukaFox
        Tim Tulley
        USSMontana
        Wiz
        Zepp

----------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 GOLDEN KILLFILE AWARD

Brad Jessness/Cognitee  <holdover from October>

        Ed Anderson
        Paul Bernhardt
        Cipher
        Harvey J. Cohen
        Cousens
        Gordon Cummings
        John Davis
        Edna
        Jamie Eimermann
        David Farrar
        Gary Frazier
        GTV3419
        Robert Hatcher
        Justin
        Loren
        Larry C. Lyons
        Macabrus
        William Mullin
        Norman Nithman
        Leslie Packer
        Kevin Podsiadlik
        John M. Price
        Russ Price
        Dave Ratcliffe
        Don Root
        StukaFox
        Tim Tulley
        USSMontana
        Wiz
        Zepp

----------------------------

All the above indicates clearly that the following is true and correct:

>I believe about a dozen people voted for that "Kook" award,
>including 'Dr.' Leslie "sicko" Packer and her two minor children
>and other psychologists.   There are VERY few people in the world
>sick enough to do this voting in this abuse newsgroup.  Most of them
>are psychologists or their children or 'friends' (including hoodlum
>psychopaths psychologists befriended).

>Sorry, but that is the truth.  Not thousands as 'Dr.' Rogers says.
>Not even hundreds voted.  NOt even a hundred voted; NOT 50.
>Perhaps 2 score of people voted all together
>with the winning vote receiving about a dozen votes from these
>sickos.


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