Leslie Packer, NY psychologist & child abuser??
Anonymous
her own children when she guided her own underage children so they
were voting for people as "kooks" on an abuse newsgroup, alt.usenet.kooks
I hope no one entrusts their poor tourette children to this obviously
insane psychologist.
Mark D. Morin
You are better than Pavlov's dogs brad. See Leslie's name and you are
compelled to react.
--
====================================================
You don't get to choose how you are going to die or
when. You can only decide how you're going to live.
Joan Baez
Folk singer and political activist
Iceman
Brad Jesness, you were ordered by your state to not refer to yourself
as a psychologist. You, even though you are poking fun at yourself,
are disobeying the order.
Self spnak "B" to BJ. LOL! "to this obviously insane psychologist."
If you had said, "to that" then I suppose you would have put yourself
in legal problems, eh? You so carefully couched your wording that you
injected yourself into the picture?
Must have been the result of your latest test on your self scoring DSM
tool, eh?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Maybe your testing tool has some merit after all. Congratulations!
Derek Wills
Diddy dum dum dum...
Derek
Anonymous
was because she publicly told 2 mental health clients to commit suicide
OR perhaps it was because of her on-line harassment OR need
to avoid getting nailed for ethics charges brought against her.
Maybe there is some other reason, but these are all real possibilities --
since all this did occur. She is so insane, there is no tellin'
Too bad she and her friends are such hypocrites. They can't obey the
golden rule.
Nomen Nescio
was because she publicly told 2 mental health clients to commit suicide
OR perhaps it was because of her on-line harassment OR need
to avoid getting nailed for ethics charges brought against her.
Maybe there is some other reason, but these are all real possibilities --
since all this did occur. She is so insane, there is no tellin'
Too bad she and her friends are such hypocrites. They can't obey the
golden rule.
>NY tourette psychologist Leslie Packer was in my view an abuser of
Iceman
<nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>Maybe this is why this psychologist quit the APA OR perhaps it
>was because she publicly told 2 mental health clients to commit suicide
>OR perhaps it was because of her on-line harassment OR need
>to avoid getting nailed for ethics charges brought against her.
One was Brad Jesness, then other was s/h/it's sock.
I guess in BJ's mind that is two people, and for sure they are both
failed mental health clients. (cause poor mental health due to no
mind. Inability to have mental functions, sort of like his no dick
statement.)
Iceman
Anonymous
clients to "blow their brains out"
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>
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame -- well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments. To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative -- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports. Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else. When they don't have
>the facts, they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character. Unfortunately for them, I don't back off. I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
>
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845 -- I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
>Leslie
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Mark D. Morin
> Quoting Leslie Packer's own post, telling KNOWN mental health
> clients to "blow their brains out"
>
What's your point? TOR and Curio were royal bitches and whatever was
told to them was less than they deserved.
Nomen Nescio
clients to "blow their brains out"
>Subject: Gone for a while....
Peter
Hash: SHA1
In message <3DD80FD6...@NOSPAMgwi.net>, Mark D. Morin
<neuro...@NOSPAMgwi.net> writes
>Anonymous wrote:
>> Quoting Leslie Packer's own post, telling KNOWN mental health
>> clients to "blow their brains out"
>>
>
>What's your point? TOR and Curio were royal bitches and whatever was told to
>them was less than they deserved.
Didn't Steven Spielberg issue a restraining order on Curio <whom Tor
supported>, and was there not a report that she was involved in a fracas with
one Jennifer Love Hewitt?
To top it all, was there not a report to the effect that a /firearm/ was
discharged? Well yes, and this unlawful discharge of a firearm was reported in
the first item in connection with Jennifer Love Hewitt <the first URL>.
So, with hindsight and given the extended period of alleged harassment that
Doctor Packer experienced, one can understand her feelings on the matter in
regard of Tor and Diana Napolis <aka Curio> whom Tor so assiduously supported.
I have difficulty believing that the other anonymous stalker has so little
reality testing that it has not made this connection.
http://people.aol.com/people/news/now/0,10958,366173,00.html
Excerpt:
>Based on the statement -- as well as Napolis's alleged confrontation with
>another actress and a 2001 arrest in San Diego on charges of unlawfully
>discharging a firearm -- the judge ruled that she posed a "credible threat."
>
>In his own court declaration, Spielberg, 55, described her actions as
>"alarming and threatening."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,5336881^401,00.html
Damn I really am going to bed.
- --
Peter
Master of The Inverted Placebo
In article <1998101915...@replay.com>
Anonymous <nob...@replay.com> wrote
>That's funny Jeremy, because I have a semi-automatic with a
>clip that holds more than 10 !!!!! It is ready at all times !!!
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Iceman
<nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845 -- I don't have time to show you up
>>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons you are, as I've got to take
>>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>>
>>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>>You're both a hazard to kids.
>>
Neither one was a patient at the time.
So you are yet again a certified liar!
And....ms sockpuppet, try proving that you weren't the poster's in
question.
However....This does not negate that you are the "this" in the "insane
psychologist" as you posted previously and as proven by your program.
Why not go down to the end of your street, take a quiet moment in the
cemetery, perhaps enjoy your "DED" for one last time, then "rest in
peace"
Anonymous
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845 -- I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
>Leslie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Iceman
<nob...@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:
>>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845 -- I don't have time to show you up
>>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons you are, as I've got to take
>>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>>
>>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>>You're both a hazard to kids.
Neither one was a patient at the time.
Anonymous
of this newsgroup, the main conflict in the newsgroups seems to have
been triggered by Dr. Packer's ego. I have seen documents that clearly
indicate that Dr. Packer's main concern and main objection was to a
certain person questioning her credentials. This person showed that
Dr. Packer appeared to have no graduate degree appropriate for one
practicing clinical psychology or to be licensed as such. He pointed
out that she had only a graduate degree in Experimental Psychology and
NO graduate clinical or counseling training typical of a licensed
person. This is what seemed to set all the conflicts off, especially
when he began referring to Dr. Packer as Licensing Loophole Leslie.
Still, he did have a point. And, Packer did have a fit and she began years
of aggression and harassment in this newsgroup. She befriended all sorts
of more-than-questionable types to do dirty work and harassment for her
as well, over many years in her obsessive manner. So, it has all really
been a matter of Dr. Packer's ego. I hate to say it but Dr. Packer herself
has shown that the loophole in the NY law should be closed.
Iceman
<nob...@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:
>I am very sorry to say that, after reviewing the history and documents
>of this newsgroup, the main conflict in the newsgroups
You are not apologetic, but you are sorry, you dumbass liar.
You started at the very beginning being antagonistic, even spending
time in multiple threads arguing with your self. Via socks. You were
too stupid to realize that your headers gave yourself away.
Brad Jesness, you who never completed grad school, failed out of a
doctorate program, never held a job for any length of time, you are
the one who consistently argued, made threats, went real life on
others until it all blew up in your face.
You are the lowest life form on the planet.
Brad Jesness actively pursed anybody in a.26 and ahm to help his
cause, even offering body to crack certain docs and other things, yet
never paid anyone in spite of the promises.
Bwaddie boi never made good on his threat to "defeet" me. Never showed
up at the meeting place agreed too, he just parked in front of a
certain Doctor's house. (I guess he just wanted to see what it would
have been like if he had ever made it in RL.)
Bwaddie boi was such a piece of shit that his *cough* wife has never
acknowledged him, rather she prefers to reference her cat's as "my
family". Even goes by the Ms. title publicly further rubbing it in his
face.
It is hard to take seriously a *GUY* who uses a dbl ended dildo on its
own body, who when he plays in the sandbox the cats instinctively
cover up.
Yup, getting to the holiday season again, so Bwaddie boi starts
getting off on everybody trying to placate his disappointments in life
that there is nobody there for him by lashing out at others. Even
keeps going through the hoops of making proggies trying to proof to
himself that he ain't what he is. The latest version of which proved
yet again that he is an "insane psychologist" wannabe.
As you have stated in the past, Bwaddie boi, your Dad would have been
very disappointed with you, and counseled you many times about your
vengeful, vindictive anger. Good thing he passed on before you went so
crazy publicly, eh?
Mark D. Morin
>>Damn I really am going to bed.
>
>
> Amazing. Oh and hi everyone long time no see.
hey! welcome back, where you been?
Mark D. Morin
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:18:53 -0500, "Mark D. Morin"
> <neuro...@NOSPAMgwi.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Rauni wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Damn I really am going to bed.
>>>
>>>
>>>Amazing. Oh and hi everyone long time no see.
>>
>>
>>hey! welcome back, where you been?
>
>
> was killed by a drunk driver, five days before she was to go active
> duty Navy) and I got married. Check my new email addy.
Congrats on the wedding; I can see where you may be a bit busier than
normal. Really sorry to hear about the accident. Sometimes life isn't
fair.
>
> I see some things never change
any real change comes slowly and slowly things are changing--some for
the better, some for the worse.
>
> Oh a recent pic of me
>
> http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=SUOLGY&key=AYP
nice...wasn't there a gypsy pic at one point?
m
Lord Crawdad
<LadyWolf*@newsguy.com>wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:18:53 -0500, "Mark D. Morin"
><neuro...@NOSPAMgwi.net> wrote:
>
>>Rauni wrote:
>>
>>>>Damn I really am going to bed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Amazing. Oh and hi everyone long time no see.
>>
>>
>>hey! welcome back, where you been?
>
>Oh around, lots of things have happened some really bad (My daughter
>was killed by a drunk driver, five days before she was to go active
>duty Navy) and I got married. Check my new email addy.
My sympathy goes out to you and your family for your loss
and congratulations on your recent marriage.
>I see some things never change
>
>Oh a recent pic of me
>
>http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=SUOLGY&key=AYP
Who said the really hot babes aren't in this group?
Duhammmmm !!!!!!!!!!
Allow me to introduce myself.
I am Crawdad.
You may call me Dad.
I am one of the resident nethoodlums,
all around nice guy, and now eternally
at your service.
/me bows to Lady Wolf.
:-)
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Lord Crawdad **Master of the Bog** WWW.COTSE.COM
Anti-Archangel #41
>--| It's not how you pick your nose that matters.
<:o>>>>< It's where you put the booger.
>--|
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ThePsyko
<LadyWolf*@newsguy.com> made his/her contribution to mankind by stating
in news:rg6ntu43b6rimeml1...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:23:05 GMT, Cra...@bayou.com (Lord Crawdad)
> Oh yeah I forgot to ad I did post here a little over a year ago
> *ahem* links to *boobie pics*.
>
Sadly I was forced to format my drive and lost my bookmarks - I have been
wallowing in the darkness ever since as life just hasn't seemed as
forgiving without having the uplifting experience of visiting said link
available at my fingertips.. do a poor sad soul a favor and repost? Such
a small deed and yet I miss the brightness of life I used to have..
*sob*sniff*
(yeah I know, makes me look pathetic.. but is it working?? :)
--
ThePsyko
Public Enemy #7
"God told me to skin you alive"
ThePsyko
<LadyWolf*@newsguy.com> made his/her contribution to mankind by stating
> Oh unfortunately they were on one of those defunct web pages go.com. I
> am not even sure if I even have the pics on my hard drive any more I
> have to look. My daughter and I were very bored one night when we did
> those.
oh.. well rather than go all apeshit over a mother-daughter thing, let me
just express my sympathies for your loss - I didn't realize...
Kali
posted Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:59:07 -0800, Rauni says...
:On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:18:53 -0500, "Mark D. Morin"
:<neuro...@NOSPAMgwi.net> wrote:
:
:>Rauni wrote:
:>
:>>>Damn I really am going to bed.
:>>
:>>
:>> Amazing. Oh and hi everyone long time no see.
Hello!
:>
:>hey! welcome back, where you been?
:
:Oh around, lots of things have happened some really bad (My daughter
:was killed by a drunk driver, five days before she was to go active
:duty Navy) and I got married. Check my new email addy.
Very sorry to hear about your loss, but also glad to hear
that you've found someone special.
:I see some things never change
:
:Oh a recent pic of me
:
:http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=SUOLGY&key=AYP
Nice pic!
Kali
--
Troika Woman!
D.L.Rogers
"Anonymous" <nob...@remailer.privacy.at> wrote in message
news:a26ed9dd157bbd04...@remailer.privacy.at...
They didn't vote for people, brad, they voted for you. And so did thousands
and thousands of other people.
Then they voted that you are not even a people! But you got sooooo minny
kool awards:
Looney Maroon, Busted Urinal, Kook of the Month, George Armstrong Custer
Award, and more and more. You even got your own newsgroup:
.brad.die.die.die. And one of the most fun web sites around, all devoted to
your faq.
LP hasn't posted here for a couple of years, hasn't responded to you at all,
but you just can't get her off your [pathetically small] mind. Why?
Because she got a PhD in psychology, and you could not! Same reason why you
can't get other psychologists off your mind, and why I own you, loozer!
Same reason why you forged the APA president's name to some of your stoopidt
poasts. And why you got some real laughs from APA when you sent them your
ultimatums, that they either do what you demand regarding research, or you
would keep all federal moneys out of psychology research.
HARFUL!!
Dan R.
Master of Card XII
Order of the detrevnI Buckyball
Anonymous
including 'Dr.' Leslie "sicko" Packer and her two minor children
and other psychologists. There are VERY few people in the world
sick enough to do this voting in this abuse newsgroup. Most of them
are psychologists or their children or 'friends' (including hoodlum
psychopaths psychologists befriended).
Sorry, but that is the truth. Not thousands as 'Dr.' Rogers says.
Not even hundreds voted. NOt even a hundred voted; NOT 50.
Perhaps 2 score of people voted all together
with the winning vote receiving about a dozen votes from these
sickos.
D.L.Rogers
Oh, puhleeeze! You know it was thousands. And it would have been more if
my vote bot had been working on it. But I had diverted it to a cat breed
popularity vote and I was determined (successfully) to see that Burmese won.
There is more agreement about you than almost anything in the world.
Specific points of agreement:
1. brad is a puss-lipped meat ball, without the meat.
2. brad is one of the least-skilled, technologically, denizens of the
usenet. Advertises himself as a "certified Sun" programmer, whilst
displaying his absolutely idiotic crafts all over the place.
3. brad jesness is a fut.
4. brad jesness is a failure in career, grad school, marriage, even sacking
groceries or handing sliders over a greasy counter at White Castle.
5. brad is ugly.
6. you (brad) work really hard at hurting people in support groups, have a
foul mouth, and are totally unable to engage in useful discourse.
7. you are ugly.
8. brad called himself "dickless" and remains in a marriage in which his
wife spends all her free time with her "friends," but never with brad.
9. you are ugly.
There's more, but you get the picture.
HARFUL!
Anonymous
delusional. The following is both a matter of fact and a matter
of record:
D.L.Rogers
Oh, puhleeeze! You know it was thousands. And it would have been more if
Joseph P. Arco
> 'Dr.' Dan Rogers is a proven psychopathic liar and may also be
> delusional. The following is both a matter of fact and a matter
> of record:
Projecting again?
...Joe
--
DDZQKHAMEALMLGADLVJY
Anonymous
The following will show the results in typical "KOOK" votes.
The posts below show Dr. Rogers is indeed a liar and that
Dr. Leslie Packer frequently got her children (Loren and Justin)
to vote in these sick abuse "elections" for KOOKs. They do this
along with other familiar psychologists and psychology Usenet leaders,
such as sppm moderater John Price and sppm ombudsman Paul Berhartdt.
Quoting old posts to newsgroups:
From: Cognitee (good...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: [Leslie et al] WINNERS: December 1997 LMA honors
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Date: 1998/01/24
Thought you all might like to see how Peter, Leslie Packer and John Price
spend their time elsewhere (see voting described in post below). What
great people !!
P.S. To Leslie:
Nice [self-serving] role model, Leslie Packer !! What a mom !! <
LAUGHING > Surely you aren't having Justin vote in your behalf in
alt.usenet.kooks, are you ??? Are you teaching him to hate? Those who do
also hate themselves !!! (IF this is what you are doing: No wonder he has
had serious emotional problems !!)
P.S. I see no other Justins in the newsgroup !!!! Bending a YOUNG child
to your will. Is this ethical??
In article <libel-ya02408000...@news.concentric.net>,
li...@wilhelp.TAKEthisOUT.com (Phoenix) wrote:
[snip]
>
> AND THE WINNER IS: BARD JESNESS & TIM BROWN!!
>
> As if it were a surprise. One voted for another candidate just to *try* and
> make it look even remotely fair:
>
> (1st) Brad Jesness - Larry C. Lyons, Loren, Justin, Leslie Packer, ME,
>Catfish,
> Wiz, s302728, Dave Ratcliffe, Kurt Lewin, Patricia, Cipher, John
>Davis, Jee,
> Peter Hood, John Price
> Tim Brown - Leslie Packer, Bobby Tendinitis, ME, Catfish, Wiz,
>s302728,
> Dave Ratcliffe, Patricia, Cipher, John Davis, Jee, Peter Hood,
>John Price,
> Raoul Xemblinosky, John, David Farrar
> (2nd) Steve Keohane - Kevin Podsiadlik, Taylor
> (3rd) Antispam.org -
>
[snip]
> Here's how the vote for the Bobo Award went down:
>
> (1st) Earl Curley - ME, Catfish, Wiz, Dave Ratcliffe, Patricia, Kevin
>Podsiadlik,
> Cipher, John Davis, Jee, Peter Hood, John Price
>
>
> Oh, and Bard is the 2nd winner of the John M. Goober Memorial Award. He
> happened to gain this with the most votes of any singular candidate in
>the history
> of the LMA family:
>
> YES - Leslie Packer, Larry C. Lyons, Edna, Loren, Justin, ME, Catfish, Wiz,
> s302728, Dave Ratcliffe, Kurt Lewin, Patricia, Kevin
>Podsiadlik, Cipher,
> John Davis, Jee, Taylor, Seymour J. Metz, Peter Hood, John Price
> NO -
>
>
> --HISTORY--
>
> LOONEY MAROON AWARD
[snip]
From: ko...@shorty.com (ko...@shorty.com)
Subject: DECEMBER 1997 KOTM Results
Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks
Date: 1998/01/15
*whew*. Lots of votes this month.
Following are results for:
Usenet Kook Of The Month
Victor Von Frankenstein Weird Science Award
Hook, Line, And Sinker Award
Golden Killfile Award
I'm recounting the Kook Of The Year award, as there may
have been some ballot box stuffing. I'll announce the
results in the next day or so. If my suspicions aren't
taken care of, I'll throw out the suspicious votes.
I'm still calculating the Top Ten Kooks of All Time results.
I hope to have results in the next few days.
And now, the results..
--------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 USENET KOOK OF THE MONTH:
TIM BROWN!
The results:
Tim Brown: 26 votes
Tom Potter: 12 votes
Douglas Reiman: 5 votes
Congratulations, Tim. If trying to claim that you're the
KOTM wrangler _and_ the KOTM Vote Wrangler in one month
wasn't enough, your turning around and voting in the
official KOTM awards does it for us.
---------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN WEIRD SCIECE AWARD:
ARCHIMEDES PLUTONIUM!
The results:
Archimedes Plutomium: 21 votes
alt.mcdonalds.crew: 9 votes
Congratulations, Arch! I can't wait to see how you change this
posting around to suit your needs!
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DECEMBER 1997 HOOK. LINE, AND SINKER AWARD:
RON RITZMAN!
The results:
Ron Ritzman: 26 votes
Congratulations, Ron!
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DECEMBER 1997 GOLDEN KILLFILE AWARD:
BRAD JESSNESS / COGNITEE!
The Results:
Brad Jessness/Cognitee: 30 votes
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And here's how people voted:
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FOR DECEMBER 1997 USENET KOOK OF THE MONTH
Douglas Reiman <66lnk3$t09$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>
Harvey J. Cohen
David Farrar
Dennis Kowallek
Kevin Podsiadlik
Dave Ratcliffe
Tim Brown <67o33k$v...@camel18.mindspring.com>
Andy Beckwith
Paul Bernhardt
Kevin J. Burnett
Cipher
Cousens
Gordon Cummings
John Davis
Dr. Digger
Stuart Fraser
Andrew Haley
Robert Hatcher
Tim Hill
Luce Kanen
Macabrus
William Mullin
Taylor Netscum
Norman Nithman
Leslie Packer
John M. Price
Russ Price
Jim Prince
Don Root
Mr. Sam
StukaFox
Peter Vorobieff
Wiz
Tom Potter <68aaqc$9...@garcia.efn.org>
Tim Brown
Jason Christian
Scott D. Erb
Gary Frazier
Andrew Hall
Larry C. Lyons
Diana Mathews
Eric Sieferman
Tom Tilley
Tim Tulley
USSMontana
Zepp
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FOR DECEMBER 1997 VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN WEIRD SCIENCE AWARD
Archimedes Plutonium <3484272...@news.sunderland.ac.uk>
Andy Beckwith
Paul Bernhardt
Harvey J. Cohen
Cousens
John Davis
Stuart Fraser
Gary Frazier
Andrew Haley
Robert Hatcher
Macabrus
William Mullin
Norman Nithman
Kevin Podsiadlik
John M. Price
Russ Price
Dave Ratcliffe
Don Root
Tim Tulley
USSMontana
Peter Vorobieff
Zepp
alt.mcdonalds.crew <tahosa-ya02408000...@news.concentric.net>
Cipher
Gordon Cummings
David Farrar
Tim Hill
Larry C. Lyons
Taylor Netscum
Jim Prince
StukaFox
Wiz
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FOR DECEMBER 1997 HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER AWARD
Ron Ritzman <tahosa-ya02408000...@news.concentric.net>
Andy Beckwith
Paul Bernhardt
Cipher
Harvey J. Cohen
Cousens
Gordon Cummings
John Davis
Jamie Eimermann
David Farrar
Gary Frazier
Tim Hill
Larry C. Lyons
Macabrus
William Mullin
Norman Nithman
Kevin Podsiadlik
John M. Price
Russ Price
Dave Ratcliffe
Don Root
Mr. Sam
StukaFox
Tim Tulley
USSMontana
Wiz
Zepp
----------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 GOLDEN KILLFILE AWARD
Brad Jessness/Cognitee <holdover from October>
Ed Anderson
Paul Bernhardt
Cipher
Harvey J. Cohen
Cousens
Gordon Cummings
John Davis
Edna
Jamie Eimermann
David Farrar
Gary Frazier
GTV3419
Robert Hatcher
Justin
Loren
Larry C. Lyons
Macabrus
William Mullin
Norman Nithman
Leslie Packer
Kevin Podsiadlik
John M. Price
Russ Price
Dave Ratcliffe
Don Root
StukaFox
Tim Tulley
USSMontana
Wiz
Zepp
----------------------------
From: Tim Brown (bath...@iglou2.iglou.com)
Subject: Re: DECEMBER 1997 KOTM Results
Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks
Date: 1998/01/16
ko...@shorty.com writes:
>Tim Brown <67o33k$v...@camel18.mindspring.com>
> Andy Beckwith
> Paul Bernhardt
> Kevin J. Burnett
> Cipher
> Cousens
> Gordon Cummings
> John Davis
> Dr. Digger
> Stuart Fraser
> Andrew Haley
> Robert Hatcher
> Tim Hill
> Luce Kanen
> Macabrus
> William Mullin
> Taylor Netscum
> Norman Nithman
> Leslie Packer
> John M. Price
> Russ Price
> Jim Prince
> Don Root
> Mr. Sam
> StukaFox
> Peter Vorobieff
> Wiz
Folks,
To show you the caliber of Honerkamp's fake Kook of the Month awards,
it is necessary to expose the kook credentials of many of those who voted
for me in this phony contest.
AHEM! Ahem ahem ahem.
Paul Birdfart is a 'Net stalker who was involved in the July '97 ballot
box stuffing that led to Brad Jesness being declared Kook of the Month
back then.
Cipher is a minor 'Net stalker.
Cousens is actually Frank Weltner, a known neo-Nazi who posted racist
diatribes on alt.revolution.american.second last year under the aliases
Parker Beatley, Robert Blakely, Bob Poteet, Dwight Eisenhower (!), and
George Cousins.
John Davis is an alias used by members of Westboro Baptist Church, a
Topeka, Kansas, cult that holds signs saying "GOD HATES FAGS" in front of
funerals of AIDS victims. They have a web page, www.godhatesfags.com,
which is absolutely the most disgusting page I have ever seen.
Luce Kanen is another small-time 'Net stalker like Cipher.
William Mullin (real name: Chris Yoder)--no comments needed.
Leslie Packer is a dangerous 'Net abuser who instigated the witch hunt
against Brad Jesness.
John Price-is-Right isn't right. Well, maybe he's on the right
politically, but not right as in correct. He has been harassing Brad
Jesness continuously for no other reason other than that Mr. Jesness dares
to disagree with John Price-is-Wrong. He created a newsgroup called
alt.brad.jesness.die.die.die with the express purpose of harassing Mr.
Jesness, and my stomach literally turned when I saw that Price was abusing
somebody for no reason at all except to boost his exalted opinion of
himself.
StupaFox is actually Mike Beebe, whose racist flamewars and attempts to
censor newsgroups are fairly well-known.
Peter Voopvoopieff has been a jerk for a long time. Most of his posts
aren't even made up of words, just either "fdhjsdfghsgdfhsga" or quotes of
messages followed by "*plonk*" or "*snicker*". A bore!
I am unfamiliar with the other people who cast their votes for me,
but--just as in public elections--I am absolutely certain that some cast
their votes the way they did because of lies and distortions that they
were subjected to by the character assassins who run this scam. That does
not, however, excuse them of the responsibility to find out the truth, and
I am going to file them just as I do with the other people who voted for
me. If they want me to absolve them of their poor judgment in casting
their vote, they are going to have some explaining to do and some hard
work to let the truth be told.
I have gained respect for certain individuals, such as Dave Ratcliffe
and a few others, seeing that they voted for other candidates instead of
me, but since I know now that they know the truth, it is their
responsibility to let the truth be known.
What amazes me is that nobody has noticed how many of those who voted
for me are either avowed neo-Nazis, pathological harassers, or both.
If people finally summon the courage to admit that it is wrong to treat
me the way I have been treated, then for many people, all will be
forgiven. My main concern is stopping those who I truly hate, such as
Mullin, Westboro, etc.
Now, onto other awards:
>FOR DECEMBER 1997 VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN WEIRD SCIENCE AWARD
>Archimedes Plutonium <3484272...@news.sunderland.ac.uk>
> Andy Beckwith
> Paul Bernhardt
> Harvey J. Cohen
> Cousens
> John Davis
> Stuart Fraser
> Gary Frazier
> Andrew Haley
> Robert Hatcher
> Macabrus
> William Mullin
> Norman Nithman
> Kevin Podsiadlik
> John M. Price
> Russ Price
> Dave Ratcliffe
> Don Root
> Tim Tulley
> USSMontana
> Peter Vorobieff
> Zepp
This greatly enhances my opinion of Archimedes Plutonium.
>FOR DECEMBER 1997 HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER AWARD
>Ron Ritzman
><tahosa-ya02408000...@news.concentric.net>
> Andy Beckwith
> Paul Bernhardt
> Cipher
> Harvey J. Cohen
> Cousens
> Gordon Cummings
> John Davis
> Jamie Eimermann
> David Farrar
> Gary Frazier
> Tim Hill
> Larry C. Lyons
> Macabrus
> William Mullin
> Norman Nithman
> Kevin Podsiadlik
> John M. Price
> Russ Price
> Dave Ratcliffe
> Don Root
> Mr. Sam
> StukaFox
> Tim Tulley
> USSMontana
> Wiz
> Zepp
Similarly, this enhances my opinion of Ron Ritzman, even though I've never
heard of him before. The fact that Mullin hates him is enough.
>FOR DECEMBER 1997 GOLDEN KILLFILE AWARD
>Brad Jessness/Cognitee <holdover from October>
> Ed Anderson
> Paul Bernhardt
> Cipher
> Harvey J. Cohen
> Cousens
> Gordon Cummings
> John Davis
> Edna
> Jamie Eimermann
> David Farrar
> Gary Frazier
> GTV3419
> Robert Hatcher
> Justin
> Loren
> Larry C. Lyons
> Macabrus
> William Mullin
> Norman Nithman
> Leslie Packer
> Kevin Podsiadlik
> John M. Price
> Russ Price
> Dave Ratcliffe
> Don Root
> StukaFox
> Tim Tulley
> USSMontana
> Wiz
> Zepp
I've noticed that most of the people who voted for me, Archimedes,
Ritzman, and Jesness are EXACTLY THE SAME. Is this another case of ballot
box stuffing?
--
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From: ko...@shorty.com (ko...@shorty.com)
Subject: DECEMBER 1997 KOTM Results
Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks
Date: 1998/01/15
*whew*. Lots of votes this month.
Following are results for:
Usenet Kook Of The Month
Victor Von Frankenstein Weird Science Award
Hook, Line, And Sinker Award
Golden Killfile Award
I'm recounting the Kook Of The Year award, as there may
have been some ballot box stuffing. I'll announce the
results in the next day or so. If my suspicions aren't
taken care of, I'll throw out the suspicious votes.
I'm still calculating the Top Ten Kooks of All Time results.
I hope to have results in the next few days.
And now, the results..
--------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 USENET KOOK OF THE MONTH:
TIM BROWN!
The results:
Tim Brown: 26 votes
Tom Potter: 12 votes
Douglas Reiman: 5 votes
Congratulations, Tim. If trying to claim that you're the
KOTM wrangler _and_ the KOTM Vote Wrangler in one month
wasn't enough, your turning around and voting in the
official KOTM awards does it for us.
---------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN WEIRD SCIECE AWARD:
ARCHIMEDES PLUTONIUM!
The results:
Archimedes Plutomium: 21 votes
alt.mcdonalds.crew: 9 votes
Congratulations, Arch! I can't wait to see how you change this
posting around to suit your needs!
---------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 HOOK. LINE, AND SINKER AWARD:
RON RITZMAN!
The results:
Ron Ritzman: 26 votes
Congratulations, Ron!
---------------------------------------------------------
DECEMBER 1997 GOLDEN KILLFILE AWARD:
BRAD JESSNESS / COGNITEE!
The Results:
Brad Jessness/Cognitee: 30 votes
---------------------------
And here's how people voted:
---------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 USENET KOOK OF THE MONTH
Douglas Reiman <66lnk3$t09$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>
Harvey J. Cohen
David Farrar
Dennis Kowallek
Kevin Podsiadlik
Dave Ratcliffe
Tim Brown <67o33k$v...@camel18.mindspring.com>
Andy Beckwith
Paul Bernhardt
Kevin J. Burnett
Cipher
Cousens
Gordon Cummings
John Davis
Dr. Digger
Stuart Fraser
Andrew Haley
Robert Hatcher
Tim Hill
Luce Kanen
Macabrus
William Mullin
Taylor Netscum
Norman Nithman
Leslie Packer
John M. Price
Russ Price
Jim Prince
Don Root
Mr. Sam
StukaFox
Peter Vorobieff
Wiz
Tom Potter <68aaqc$9...@garcia.efn.org>
Tim Brown
Jason Christian
Scott D. Erb
Gary Frazier
Andrew Hall
Larry C. Lyons
Diana Mathews
Eric Sieferman
Tom Tilley
Tim Tulley
USSMontana
Zepp
---------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN WEIRD SCIENCE AWARD
Archimedes Plutonium <3484272...@news.sunderland.ac.uk>
Andy Beckwith
Paul Bernhardt
Harvey J. Cohen
Cousens
John Davis
Stuart Fraser
Gary Frazier
Andrew Haley
Robert Hatcher
Macabrus
William Mullin
Norman Nithman
Kevin Podsiadlik
John M. Price
Russ Price
Dave Ratcliffe
Don Root
Tim Tulley
USSMontana
Peter Vorobieff
Zepp
alt.mcdonalds.crew <tahosa-ya02408000...@news.concentric.net>
Cipher
Gordon Cummings
David Farrar
Tim Hill
Larry C. Lyons
Taylor Netscum
Jim Prince
StukaFox
Wiz
----------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER AWARD
Ron Ritzman <tahosa-ya02408000...@news.concentric.net>
Andy Beckwith
Paul Bernhardt
Cipher
Harvey J. Cohen
Cousens
Gordon Cummings
John Davis
Jamie Eimermann
David Farrar
Gary Frazier
Tim Hill
Larry C. Lyons
Macabrus
William Mullin
Norman Nithman
Kevin Podsiadlik
John M. Price
Russ Price
Dave Ratcliffe
Don Root
Mr. Sam
StukaFox
Tim Tulley
USSMontana
Wiz
Zepp
----------------------------
FOR DECEMBER 1997 GOLDEN KILLFILE AWARD
Brad Jessness/Cognitee <holdover from October>
Ed Anderson
Paul Bernhardt
Cipher
Harvey J. Cohen
Cousens
Gordon Cummings
John Davis
Edna
Jamie Eimermann
David Farrar
Gary Frazier
GTV3419
Robert Hatcher
Justin
Loren
Larry C. Lyons
Macabrus
William Mullin
Norman Nithman
Leslie Packer
Kevin Podsiadlik
John M. Price
Russ Price
Dave Ratcliffe
Don Root
StukaFox
Tim Tulley
USSMontana
Wiz
Zepp
----------------------------
All the above indicates clearly that the following is true and correct:
D.L.Rogers
> (___my sincerest apologies if this gets posted twice...___)
> The following will show the results in typical "KOOK" votes.
> The posts below show Dr. Rogers is indeed a liar and that
> to vote in these sick abuse "elections" for KOOKs. They do this
> along with other familiar psychologists and psychology Usenet leaders,
> such as sppm moderater John Price and sppm ombudsman Paul Berhartdt.
> Quoting old posts to newsgroups:
Thanks for posting the Oldies but Goodies, bradley. I'm sure
Renee wants to show it to all of her vacation "friends."
It's worth noting that I don't appear as one of the voters in any of those.
Damned vote bot! Never works when I need it.
At any rate, I still contend that there were "thousands" voting for you as
"not human." Naturally, you abridged the list.
But, in the spirit of the Holidays, and reflecting your wish (in another
post) that we all practice charity, while also reflecting how well you stick
to it with your post sent right after your "olive branch," I now bestow on
you the charity you deserve:
Looooser! You aren't human: you are a killfile's droppings!!
You suck eggs, backwards!