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Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 18, 2011, 3:20:25 PM11/18/11
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On Nov 18, 8:03 am, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> In sci.physics.electromag Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> (snip, someone wrote)
>
> >> My thinking is if the object
> >> was shot from a rail gun on the Moon it would not have to worry about
> >> friction on air.(no shock wave)
>
> (snip)
>
> > No doubt. According to the most basic physics on electricity, the
> > force applied all along its path (along the rails) is proportional to
> > the magnetic field and more importantly the square of the current in
> > the armature. So this square of the current, gives enormous force as
> > and when the high current can be applied to the bullet.
>
> There was some years ago discussion about building space colonies
> (like the ISS only much bigger) using material mined from the moon.

Great idea. As and when the Internal Force Engine becomes as common
as jet engines today, we may expect:
1. The Moon to be as crowded as North America, as the Moon with its
low gravity will be an excellent place to manufacture goods and also
for holidays. One should buy up real estate on the Moon, really!
2. There will be pressure to build large space stations as you say,
powered initially by nuclear and later by IFEs as power generators. I
will talk about this in another post.
3. With more humanity shifting away from Earth, let us hope and pray
that life will be better for all other species on the planet - more
freedom and numbers and happiness for all
4. After the moon, the asteroids, Mars, the moons of Jupiter, etc they
are all suitable for mining to make large space stations

Actually living in space will be - with proper technology - very safe,
healthy and comfortable. In due course the whole Earth could be one
huge playground. Humanity could live underground, in skyscrapers,
travel in large submarines or ships, when not just taking off in
flying saucers to the Moon, or space stations.

We need to write a fair bit of science fiction, to make all this
clear. And some movies, too.

As things are, going up from the Earth to some orbiting space station
will still be difficult with first generation IFEs.
Envisage the space shuttle, horizontally placed. The booster rockets
run on hydrogen and they acclerate the craft as any plane today, and
they drop to the ground. With the high velocity gained, and the lift
attained, the internal force engines can work to increase the craft's
speed as any rocket at higher altitudes.
>
> That is, it is much cheaper to pull stuff up from the moon,
> even to low earch orbit, than from the earth. Especially if
> you want dirt on a space station.
>
> -- glen

Zinnic

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Nov 18, 2011, 4:50:28 PM11/18/11
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On Nov 18, 2:20 pm, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
The only way by which your IFEs will get into outer space is when AGEs
(anti gravity exponents) laugh them off the face of the Eartth. Plinck
kT plonck plinck kT plonck.

be...@iwaynet.net

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Nov 19, 2011, 2:07:37 AM11/19/11
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On 11/18/2011 3:20 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:

> Great idea. As and when the Internal Force Engine becomes as common
> as jet engines today, we may expect:
> 1. The Moon to be as crowded as North America, as the Moon with its
> low gravity will be an excellent place to manufacture goods and also
> for holidays. One should buy up real estate on the Moon, really!

Actually Arindam, you've missed the biggie (before the moon gets crowded
as North America) And that would be to claim the million dollar prize
for a private photograph close-up of the moon.

Once you've got a IFF that can counter gravity enough to lift a camera
chip up off the ground (or up off as high as a balloon can go) we will
be home free! If you supply the IFF I can supply the camera and guidance
system. We will share the cash, natch!

We can let the lifting of Quonset huts for later...



Jos Bergervoet

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Nov 19, 2011, 7:26:32 AM11/19/11
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On 11/18/2011 9:20 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Nov 18, 8:03 am, glen herrmannsfeldt<g...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>
>> There was some years ago discussion about building space colonies
>> (like the ISS only much bigger) using material mined from the moon.
>
> Great idea. As and when the Internal Force Engine
> becomes as common as jet engines today,

Yes! Thank you, Arindam, for inventing this great
new device for us. It was really clever of you!

> we may expect:
> 1. The Moon to be as crowded as North America, as the Moon with its
> low gravity will be an excellent place to manufacture goods

Now this makes no sense. Low gravity is already
available down here! Thanks to your great invention,
Arindam. The Internal Force just cancels all
gravity!

> ...
> Envisage the space shuttle, horizontally placed. The booster rockets
> run on hydrogen and they acclerate the craft as any plane today, and
> they drop to the ground. With the high velocity gained, and the lift
> attained, the internal force engines can work to increase the craft's
> speed

But now you are a bit over-enthousiastic, my dear
friend Arindam. As it turns out, the Warp Drive
has much better fuel efficiency at high speed.
And you know that all too well! But for vacation
trips to the moon the IFE is surely nice!

--
Jos

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 20, 2011, 3:37:43 AM11/20/11
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On Nov 19, 11:26 pm, Jos Bergervoet <jos.bergerv...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On 11/18/2011 9:20 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>
> > On Nov 18, 8:03 am, glen herrmannsfeldt<g...@ugcs.caltech.edu>  wrote:
>
> >> There was some years ago discussion about building space colonies
> >> (like the ISS only much bigger) using material mined from the moon.
>
> > Great idea.  As and when the Internal Force Engine
> > becomes as common as jet engines today,
>
> Yes! Thank you, Arindam, for inventing this great
> new device for us. It was really clever of you!

Thanks. So far the concept is discovered and the basic principle for
its application, described in terms of existing technology such as the
rail gun. There will be a lot of work required to make a full working
model, but I am now sure it will work, as Schroeder's work to find the
lack of reaction in the firing of a rail gun most encouraging.

> > we may expect:
> > 1.  The Moon to be as crowded as North America, as the Moon with its
> > low gravity will be an excellent place to manufacture goods
>
> Now this makes no sense. Low gravity is already
> available down here! Thanks to your great invention,
> Arindam. The Internal Force just cancels all
> gravity!

No, it does not cancel gravity but if strong enough it overcomes the
effect of gravity when large gravitational masses are nearby, same as
any rocket-powered craft which is a particular and soon to be ancient
sort of Internal Force Engine. Essentially it is used to acclerate
any craft to unlimited speeds, but one version of the IFE can be used
to produce unlimited energy in outer space. It has been described in
my book "To the Stars!". Essentially internal force is used to bring
a mass to some high kinetic energy, and external force to convert that
to electricity, the balance of power requirements being made available
as free energy.

> >  ...
> > Envisage the space shuttle, horizontally placed.  The booster rockets
> > run on hydrogen and they acclerate the craft as any plane today, and
> > they drop to the ground.  With the high velocity gained, and the lift
> > attained, the internal force engines can work to increase the craft's
> > speed
>
> But now you are a bit over-enthousiastic, my dear
> friend Arindam. As it turns out, the Warp Drive
> has much better fuel efficiency at high speed.

The warp drive is purely fictional. Mine is based upon new physics,
based upon new research and maths.

> And you know that all too well! But for vacation
> trips to the moon the IFE is surely nice!

We would be going there now, had I been taken seriously back in 2000
AD. As it is, I predict we will be going to the moon in IFEs within
20 years.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
>
> --
> Jos

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 20, 2011, 5:24:24 AM11/20/11
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On Nov 19, 6:07 pm, "BJAC...@teranews.com" <b...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
> On 11/18/2011 3:20 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>
> > Great idea.  As and when the Internal Force Engine becomes as common
> > as jet engines today, we may expect:
> > 1.  The Moon to be as crowded as North America, as the Moon with its
> > low gravity will be an excellent place to manufacture goods and also
> > for holidays.  One should buy up real estate on the Moon, really!
>
> Actually Arindam, you've missed the biggie (before the moon gets crowded
> as North America) And that would be to claim the million dollar prize
> for a private photograph close-up of the moon.

Who cares for measly millions? How much is NA worth now, and how much
was it 500 years ago? Same goes for the moon.

> Once you've got a IFF

IFE,

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 20, 2011, 7:24:34 AM11/20/11
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Maybe if you could somehow increase your intelligence quotient by at
least 50 points then perhaps you'd understand what I am saying - if
you were fundamentally honest.

Zinnic

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Nov 20, 2011, 9:11:39 AM11/20/11
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On Nov 20, 6:24 am, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com>
Just send me some of the k factor you use in your formula e=0.5mvvN(N-
k). That should raise anything. Even for use in the formula kN=V 1a
gRa.

Myself, Mallu. Yourself?

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Nov 20, 2011, 9:56:24 AM11/20/11
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The infernal farce continues.

You're wasting your time with this query because the answer needs coin -
yours preferably. Why the self-proclaimed "divine being" cannot build
and demonstrate the concept first, and then get investors, is a "divine
mystery," and beyond the grasp of mortals.

PS: If you're going to pony up, I have a bridge for sale. Heck, it is
"golden" too. :-)

--
VB, Just itchy
'ome=shanty

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 20, 2011, 1:04:30 PM11/20/11
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Related:

Scientists: Faster-Than-Light Finding Still Holds

By Frank Jordans
Associated Press
Saturday, November 19, 2011

Geneva - The chances have risen that Einstein was wrong about a fundamental law of the universe.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/clarification-breaking-light-speed-story-14989402#.TslAibJwdns

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

Jos Bergervoet

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Nov 20, 2011, 1:33:52 PM11/20/11
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On 11/20/2011 9:37 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Nov 19, 11:26 pm, Jos Bergervoet<jos.bergerv...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> On 11/18/2011 9:20 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> ...
>>> Envisage the space shuttle, horizontally placed. The booster rockets
>>> run on hydrogen and they acclerate the craft as any plane today, and
>>> they drop to the ground. With the high velocity gained, and the lift
>>> attained, the internal force engines can work to increase the craft's
>>> speed
>>
>> But now you are a bit over-enthousiastic, my dear
>> friend Arindam. As it turns out, the Warp Drive
>> has much better fuel efficiency at high speed.
>
> The warp drive is purely fictional. Mine is based upon new physics,
> based upon new research and maths.

You obviously want to discredit your competitors! But
you won't succeed, Arindam. Not in this newsgroup.

Zefram Cochrane, the inventor of the warp drive, based
its principle on the mathematical theory of subspace
distortion. You should realize that your own IFE will of
course create several milliCochranes of s.s.d. as well,
as it has to divert the reaction force into subspace..

But you can claim in your advantage that by avoiding
the warp core, you avoid the danger of explosions!
Engaging a warp drive would definitely not be allowed
near this lunar vacation resort.

--
Jos

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 20, 2011, 4:35:48 PM11/20/11
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Spoken like a true moron, above.

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 20, 2011, 4:37:53 PM11/20/11
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On Nov 21, 5:04 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Related:
>
> Scientists: Faster-Than-Light Finding Still Holds
>
> By Frank Jordans
> Associated Press
> Saturday, November 19, 2011
>
> Geneva - The chances have risen that Einstein was wrong about a fundamental law of the universe.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/clarification-breaking-lig...
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

Well, high time they gave up on the e=mcc nonsense, for after all
deductive logic from the correct explanation of the MMI experiment
shows that light does behave as missiles, that is c(V)=c+V and so
Einstein's postulate leading to e=mcc derivation is wrong, and the
whole structure of SR and GR is based upon complete bungling and
nonsense.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 20, 2011, 4:49:35 PM11/20/11
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On Nov 21, 5:33 am, Jos Bergervoet <jos.bergerv...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On 11/20/2011 9:37 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>
> > On Nov 19, 11:26 pm, Jos Bergervoet<jos.bergerv...@xs4all.nl>  wrote:
> >> On 11/18/2011 9:20 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >   ...
> >>> Envisage the space shuttle, horizontally placed.  The booster rockets
> >>> run on hydrogen and they acclerate the craft as any plane today, and
> >>> they drop to the ground.  With the high velocity gained, and the lift
> >>> attained, the internal force engines can work to increase the craft's
> >>> speed
>
> >> But now you are a bit over-enthousiastic, my dear
> >> friend Arindam. As it turns out, the Warp Drive
> >> has much better fuel efficiency at high speed.
>
> > The warp drive is purely fictional.  Mine is based upon new physics,
> > based upon new research and maths.
>
> You obviously want to discredit your competitors! But
> you won't succeed, Arindam. Not in this newsgroup.

Look, if I make an engine that goes faster than light, it will be
purely on Newtonian principles. Like, a star is there or planet, just
point the nose of your craft towards it and pile on the juices to the
internal force engine, making the craft accelerate indefinitely. Then
turn around (either change the direction of impact, or turn around the
craft 180 deg) and decelerate midway, so that you reach the
destination at normal speed.

All it takes is to move any object with internal force, and that can
be done with a modified rail gun.

> Zefram Cochrane, the inventor of the warp drive, based
> its principle on the mathematical theory of subspace
> distortion.

What is subspace? Is it fact or fiction?


You should realize that your own IFE will of
> course create several milliCochranes of s.s.d. as well,
> as it has to divert the reaction force into subspace..

What subspace? The reaction force from the IFE will be spent to push
apart the rails, and that will cause constriction to the metals hence
heat, which in turn can be used to warm up the craft. So no loss to
anything, so far as the ship is concerned.


> But you can claim in your advantage that by avoiding
> the warp core,

What warp core? In engineering if not "modern" "physics" we avoid
fictional issues.


> you avoid the danger of explosions!

The IFE will be a very safe engine, mainly because it is so simple in
design and construction. Unfortunately space is not free from matter
like comets and asteroids or meteors, so the chance of collision
between the craft and space matter is very much there and will be a
major issue for safe travel.

> Engaging a warp drive would definitely not be allowed
> near this lunar vacation resort.

IFEs can do the job. Maybe a very fast IFE with say 1000g accn can do
the job of the fictional warp drive. Who knows, what we may find out
in the future...

Zinnic

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Nov 20, 2011, 5:04:21 PM11/20/11
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On Nov 20, 3:37 pm, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Spoken like a true moron.

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 20, 2011, 5:16:30 PM11/20/11
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Here you are showing as much wisdom as a moron may, by being a
faithful copycat.

Errol

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Nov 21, 2011, 3:33:42 AM11/21/11
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On Nov 18, 10:20 pm, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Nov 18, 8:03 am, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
>
>
> > There was some years ago discussion about building space colonies
> > (like the ISS only much bigger) using material mined from the moon.
>
> Great idea.  As and when the Internal Force Engine becomes as common
> as jet engines today, we may expect:
> 1.  The Moon to be as crowded as North America, as the Moon with its
> low gravity will be an excellent place to manufacture goods and also
> for holidays.  One should buy up real estate on the Moon, really!
> 2. There will be pressure to build large space stations as you say,
> powered initially by nuclear and later by IFEs as power generators.  I
> will talk about this in another post.

I think DFPs might work as well for generating power

DFP = Deep Fried Poppadum

Jos Bergervoet

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Nov 21, 2011, 7:43:36 AM11/21/11
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On 11/20/2011 10:49 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> ...
>> Zefram Cochrane, the inventor of the warp drive, based
>> its principle on the mathematical theory of subspace
>> distortion.
>
> What is subspace? Is it fact or fiction?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theory#Extra_dimensions

>> You should realize that your own IFE will of
>> course create several milliCochranes of s.s.d. as well,
>> as it has to divert the reaction force into subspace..
>
> What subspace? The reaction force from the IFE will be spent to push
> apart the rails,

There you are! You convert backward force into
lateral force on the rails. Just calculate how
much warp this requires! I know why you overlooked
it Arindam. You just don't want to accept Zefram's
work.. (Reminds us of Tesla and Edison, who also
didn't accept each others ideas.. Unfortunate.)

--
Jos

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 21, 2011, 3:51:51 PM11/21/11
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On Nov 21, 11:43 pm, Jos Bergervoet <jos.bergerv...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On 11/20/2011 10:49 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>
> >    ...
> >> Zefram Cochrane, the inventor of the warp drive, based
> >> its principle on the mathematical theory of subspace
> >> distortion.
>
> > What is subspace?  Is it fact or fiction?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theory#Extra_dimensions
>
> >> You should realize that your own IFE will of
> >> course create several milliCochranes of s.s.d. as well,
> >> as it has to divert the reaction force into subspace..
>
> > What subspace?  The reaction force from the IFE will be spent to push
> > apart the rails,
>
> There you are! You convert backward force into
> lateral force on the rails. Just calculate how
> much warp this requires!

In engineering, there is an equation:
Stress = constant * strain - this formula being valid for the elastic
limits, that is, when the material reverts to the original length
after the force ceases to operate.
Stress is force per unit area
Strain is the ratio between the squeezed length delta-l and length l.

When the stress becomes too high, the material breaks.
Thus on the rail gun, the energy expended is stress*area of
rails*constriction length and that becomes heat.

No question of warp in any sub-space sense.



I know why you overlooked
> it Arindam.

Really?

You just don't want to accept Zefram's
> work..

But this is the first time I am hearing about it. All I knew about
warp engines was based upon Star Trek. I considered it as fictional
as the beaming up and down by scottie and co. It may be that there is
subspace, that this subspace can warp, that we can put matter into
subspace then warp through subspace and come into real space after
some time depending upon chosen warp speed. But all this has nothing
to do with reality as we find it. Just as we cannot beam matter from
here to there. Who knows what will happen in the future, what further
great discoveries will be made. My humble proposal is that we blow up
the bows of a small boat with an electromagnetic rail gun, and if that
accelerates the craft, we can prove the truth of my math formula

e= 0.5mVVN(N-k)

and thus get money from interested sources to build internal force
engines for many many applications in dynamics, both on earth and
space, worth ultimately quintillions of dollars.


(Reminds us of Tesla and Edison, who also
> didn't accept each others ideas.. Unfortunate.)

Thanks for the simile, this is very kind. Both were great inventors:
Tesla was brilliant while Edison worked hard. Tesla was poor while
Edison had lotsa support from his privileged social group. But,
Edison never thought that fiction was fact.

Jos Bergervoet

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Nov 21, 2011, 5:06:10 PM11/21/11
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Fascinating.. Maybe you're in another timeline? No doubt
caused by your own tinkering with warped subspace..

Yes, I recall there was a timeline where neutrinos suddenly
became faster than light because some inventor accidentally
created tiny amounts of warp! Nothing serious, but the
"mostly harmless" classification for the planet could not
be maintained..

--
Jos

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 21, 2011, 8:41:53 PM11/21/11
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I follow the same calender as everyone.

Jos Bergervoet

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Nov 22, 2011, 6:23:40 AM11/22/11
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On 11/22/2011 2:41 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Nov 22, 9:06 am, Jos Bergervoet<jos.bergerv...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> On 11/21/2011 9:51 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
..
>>> When the stress becomes too high, the material breaks.
>>> Thus on the rail gun, the energy expended is stress*area of
>>> rails*constriction length and that becomes heat.
>>
>>> No question of warp in any sub-space sense.
>>
>>>> I know why you overlooked
>>>> it Arindam.
>>
>>> Really?
>>
>>>> You just don't want to accept Zefram's
>>>> work..
>>
>>> But this is the first time I am hearing about it.
>>
>> Fascinating.. Maybe you're in another timeline?
>
> I follow the same calender as everyone.

It's not the calender that makes the difference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation
But if you don't use quantum effects, and also no SUSY:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theory#Extra_dimensions
to create warp, then so be it! I'll believe you.

I'll accept that you really are just talking about a
rail gun, with a load sliding on two rails. But Arandim,
that was already invented! (In this timeline..)

--
Jos

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 22, 2011, 6:46:25 AM11/22/11
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What has not been demonstrated to all is an Internal Force Engine that
works on a new physics that throws out relativity, entropy and the law
of conservation of energy from the implementation of the maths
underlying the equation for surplus energy, that is,
e=0.5mVVN(N-k)
I don't think it is easily possible for anyone to deny me the credit
of finding this most basic formula, and what to do with it. I don't
underestimate the unscrupulousness of the western intellectuals, but
in usenet, print media, etc. they may have found their match. No
amount of evasiveness, brainwashing, handwaving can deny me the credit
for the above.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

>
> --
> Jos- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jos Bergervoet

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Nov 22, 2011, 7:25:50 AM11/22/11
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> ...

But then I think people will tend to use the warp drive
instead! If your IFE is not demonstrated you can hardly
blame them for not using it, I would say..

--
Jos

DMJoshi

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Nov 22, 2011, 7:36:51 AM11/22/11
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He has right to blame the world not supplying funds to make his
brainchild work, does not he?

I am sure he has more many brainchildren un-demonstrated for the rest
of the world being jealous of his brilliance.

Bob Masta

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Nov 22, 2011, 8:22:55 AM11/22/11
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 03:46:25 -0800 (PST), Arindam Banerjee
<adda...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>What has not been demonstrated to all is an Internal Force Engine that
>works on a new physics that throws out relativity, entropy and the law
>of conservation of energy from the implementation of the maths
>underlying the equation for surplus energy, that is,
>e=3D0.5mVVN(N-k)
>I don't think it is easily possible for anyone to deny me the credit
>of finding this most basic formula, and what to do with it. I don't
>underestimate the unscrupulousness of the western intellectuals, but
>in usenet, print media, etc. they may have found their match. No
>amount of evasiveness, brainwashing, handwaving can deny me the credit
>for the above.
>Cheers,
>Arindam Banerjee

Science is a lot like sports: You get no credit at all for
claiming what a great prizefighter/sprinter/cyclist you are,
you have to actually demonstrate it to the satisfaction of
others. If you are afraid to compete, the only thing that
the world can conclude is that you apparently can't back up
your claims.

And please, no whining about how it would take millions of
dollars. Build a small-scale model that demonstrates the
concept on a table top. So far, we haven't heard any
indication that you are even considering that... hard to
imagine for an invention worth "quintillions". Maybe deep
inside you are not quite as convinced as you would have us
believe.

To put it plainly: "Put up or shut up!"


Best regards,




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Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 22, 2011, 4:49:48 PM11/22/11
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No doubt, if they could find it.

If your IFE is not demonstrated you can hardly
> blame them for not using it, I would say..

I do blame them for wasting mega-billions of dollars upon stupid
einsteinian pseudoscience, and not spending a mere few thousand
dollars to mount an existing rail gun on a small boat, put some wood
in the bows, and blow up the wood there (thus retaining the momentum
of the bullets inside the boat) with machine-gun type electromagnetic
rail gun fire. If the boat accelerates forward as a result, it will
do so by successful application of internal force, thus proving the
validity of this basic equation e=0.5mvVN(N-k) and in that process
dismissing e=mcc and its bizarre voodoo consequences as rubbish.

I can understand their problem, though. If the boat does accelerate
as a result, all their phony theories relating to relativity and
entropy etc. will come down crashing like a house of cards, and this
is the very last thing the establishment want. No one wants to look
that stupid. Only when the existing devils depart from their high
places, and are replaced by a younger and braver lot that need not be
that defensive of old nonsense, who are thus true scientists and not
glorified phonies and tellers of fictional tales, is there a
likelihood of the abovementioned experiment taking place. I am not
holding my breath!

Arindam Banerjee

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On Nov 23, 12:22 am, N0S...@daqarta.com (Bob Masta) wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 03:46:25 -0800 (PST), Arindam Banerjee
>
> <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >What has not been demonstrated to all is an Internal Force Engine that
> >works on a new physics that throws out relativity, entropy and the law
> >of conservation of energy from the implementation of the maths
> >underlying the equation for surplus energy, that is,
> >e=3D0.5mVVN(N-k)
> >I don't think it is easily possible for anyone to deny me the credit
> >of finding this most basic formula, and what to do with it.  I don't
> >underestimate the unscrupulousness of the western intellectuals, but
> >in usenet, print media, etc. they may have found their match.  No
> >amount of evasiveness, brainwashing, handwaving can deny me the credit
> >for the above.
> >Cheers,
> >Arindam Banerjee
>
> Science is a lot like sports:

I wish the existing scientists were sporting. But they are not. I
have been categorically told that no reputable instituition today will
entertain any thoughts against the validity of the sacred laws of
conservation of mass and energy etc. and that Einstein is much more
than divine to all that matter. In other words, the existing
physicists are totally corrupt, and physics now is but a phony
religion. Served by fiction such as warp drives, and why not, warp
drives on start trek make money and in some twisted way enhance the
image of the so-called physicists.

You get no credit at all for
> claiming what a great prizefighter/sprinter/cyclist you are,
> you have to actually demonstrate it to the satisfaction of
> others.

So where is the demonstration of the warp drive, apart from Star
Trek? Is that a satisfactory demonstration to scientists?

 If you are afraid to compete, the only thing that
> the world can conclude is that you apparently can't back up
> your claims.

I am not afraid to compete. I do not find any but shadowy phonies who
have shut their doors to me, and don't want to acknowledge my
presence. Since I also hold them in even more disgust and contempt, I
am not likely to seek their help or even want to see their faces.

> And please, no whining about how it would take millions of
> dollars.

Who is doing the whining? Who is talking about millions of dollars?
Is it you or me?

Build a small-scale model that demonstrates the
> concept on a table top.

A small-scale model for the Internal Force Engine, a totally new idea,
will be very difficult to make. It is beyond my means at the moment.
However I am taking what steps I can to obtain the funding for doing
same. In the meantime, yes, I can do some experiments to make my
point but these experiments will not be as convincing as a
demonstration of an acual engine, model or real. But even these
experiments are not easy to make - this is not an easy subject.

So I once again say that the best demonstration is to put a
electromagnetic rail machine-gun on a boat, and blow up the bows thus
retaining the momentum of the machine-gun type fired bullets. If the
boat acclerates as a result, then e=0.5mVVN(N-k) is proved. And there
is 100% justification for major funding in this new direction.

Please understand that the IFE is for space applications, and creating
space-type conditions on earth is impossible to make on a tabletop,
especially for a forcibly retired person living off his savings.


So far, we haven't heard any
> indication that you are even considering that... hard to
> imagine for an invention worth "quintillions".

I am not responsible for the low wits of others. If they do not have
the vision, I should not be blamed. If they are too lazy or cowardly
to do such simple things as I suggest, what fault is it of mine?
I have done what I can - put my original research and ideas for
everyone to note, indicated what experiments to be performed... that
is enough for one person to do. If for political and other reasons I
am not heeded, the fault is not mine.

Maybe deep
> inside you are not quite as convinced as you would have us
> believe.

Science is about proving some idea using objectivity. If a
demonstration as I suggest (blow up the bows of a boat using rail
machine gun) works, all will see. Like Torricelli proved air pressure
with his water barometer. Archimedes worked out density using a
bath. No one can be convinced, including myself, unless such a
demonstration works.

Yes, I think that this should work, for e=0.5mVVN(N-k) explains so
many natural phenomena relating to matter and energy most beautifully
and intuitively, as I have written in my unpublished book "The
Principles of Motion". Wrote that last year, but have to revise it
following more work done, and to be done now that I have finished an
even more important work.

But yes, a lot needs to be done before anyone including myself gets
really convinced, before conjecture become fact, and that fact
translates into practice.

> To put it plainly:  "Put up or shut up!"

I have put up a lot, by way of the most irrefutable logical words;
pity that moral cowards don't heed same. As for shutting up, sorry.
Bullying does not work with me, as I lack the moral cowardice of the
evil einsteinian bullies and frauds.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 22, 2011, 5:16:14 PM11/22/11
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Not so much as blaming the world for funding nonsensical
pseudoscience.
I am trying to get the required funding with my own efforts, as I am
disgusted with that world you are talking about.

> I am sure he has more many brainchildren un-demonstrated for the rest
> of the world being jealous of his brilliance.

Absolutely.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

glen herrmannsfeldt

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Nov 22, 2011, 5:43:54 PM11/22/11
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In sci.physics.electromag Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> wrote:

(snip)
> I do blame them for wasting mega-billions of dollars upon stupid
> einsteinian pseudoscience, and not spending a mere few thousand
> dollars to mount an existing rail gun on a small boat, put some wood
> in the bows, and blow up the wood there (thus retaining the momentum
> of the bullets inside the boat) with machine-gun type electromagnetic
> rail gun fire. If the boat accelerates forward as a result, it will
> do so by successful application of internal force, thus proving the
> validity of this basic equation e=0.5mvVN(N-k) and in that process
> dismissing e=mcc and its bizarre voodoo consequences as rubbish.

All of electromagnetism was around before relativity.

So, where do you get the power supply (current source) to
run this rail gun?

If the power source is off the boat, then the reaction
force goes into the power source instead of the boat so,
yes, the boat can move. That is, if you run the high-current
wiring off the boat.

If you put a transformer on the boat, then most of the reaction
force goes into the transformer, and very little to the power source,
depending on the turns ratio of the transformer.

Also, you should include the induction effect, both the L dI/dt
and I dL/dt terms.

-- glen

glen herrmannsfeldt

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Nov 22, 2011, 5:48:06 PM11/22/11
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In sci.physics.electromag Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> wrote:

(snip)
> A small-scale model for the Internal Force Engine, a totally new idea,
> will be very difficult to make. It is beyond my means at the moment.
> However I am taking what steps I can to obtain the funding for doing
> same. In the meantime, yes, I can do some experiments to make my
> point but these experiments will not be as convincing as a
> demonstration of an acual engine, model or real. But even these
> experiments are not easy to make - this is not an easy subject.

Small ones are easy, it is the large ones that are hard.

Generating the needed currents for a large one is the big
complication in using rail guns. Using household wire and
batteries, especially NiCd which have a very low internal
resistance, you can get very large currents. Should be enough
to test on a toy-sized boat. Test with the battery on
and off the boat.

Another problem is keeping the contact resistance low as
the bullet moves along. But that isn't a physics problem.

-- glen

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 22, 2011, 5:43:24 PM11/22/11
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>
> To put it plainly:  "Put up or shut up!"

I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) put a
electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an untethered small
swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow up its bows with
rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still remains still,
does not accelerate. As would a boat firing a machine-gun (not inside
it, of course!).

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 22, 2011, 6:01:40 PM11/22/11
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In article <4d5bf9ed-f4ce-4e93...@e34g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:
>
> > [Someone wrote:]
> > To put it plainly: =A0"Put up or shut up!"
Now, with which representative of "they (the world that has it all)"
would you like to communicate about the boat experiment? Please name
that person, if known.

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 22, 2011, 6:07:59 PM11/22/11
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On Nov 23, 10:01 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <4d5bf9ed-f4ce-4e93-8aa8-8175b2926...@e34g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
>
>
>
> > > [Someone wrote:]
> > > To put it plainly: =A0"Put up or shut up!"
>
> > I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) put a
> > electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an untethered small
> > swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow up its bows with
> > rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still remains still,
> > does not accelerate.  As would a boat firing a machine-gun (not inside
> > it, of course!).
>
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> Now, with which representative of "they (the world that has it all)"
> would you like to communicate about the boat experiment? Please name
> that person, if known.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

Definitely Mr President Barack Hussein Obama Sir, Commander in Chief
of the US Military.

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 22, 2011, 6:22:46 PM11/22/11
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In article <ca0e4c38-68c0-42e3...@v38g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <4d5bf9ed-f4ce-4e93-8aa8-8175b2926...@e34g2000prh.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> >
> >
> > > > [Someone wrote:]
> > > > To put it plainly: =3DA0"Put up or shut up!"
> >
> > > I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) put a
> > > electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an untethered small
> > > swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow up its bows with
> > > rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still remains still,
> > > does not accelerate. =A0As would a boat firing a machine-gun (not
> > > inside it, of course!).
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Now, with which representative of "they (the world that has it all)"
> > would you like to communicate about the boat experiment? Please name
> > that person, if known.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> Definitely Mr President Barack Hussein Obama Sir, Commander in Chief
> of the US Military.

Have you communicated with the White House already?

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 22, 2011, 6:15:47 PM11/22/11
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On Nov 23, 9:43 am, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I mean, a boat firing a machine gun would acclerate, as Mr Trebert has
pointed out. A rail gun firing into itself would acclerate similarly,
that is what to be demostrated.
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 22, 2011, 6:18:19 PM11/22/11
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On Nov 23, 10:01 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <4d5bf9ed-f4ce-4e93-8aa8-8175b2926...@e34g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
>
>
>
> > > [Someone wrote:]
> > > To put it plainly: =A0"Put up or shut up!"
>
> > I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) put a
> > electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an untethered small
> > swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow up its bows with
> > rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still remains still,
> > does not accelerate.  As would a boat firing a machine-gun (not inside
> > it, of course!).
>
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> Now, with which representative of "they (the world that has it all)"
> would you like to communicate about the boat experiment? Please name
> that person, if known.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

Also, in the entertainment zone it may be that the very lucrative "Top
Gear" folk could be interested in this... to actually make a new
engine instead of playing with toys, could be some good money-pulling
stuff. I am sure they have the contacts to get the people in charge
of rail guns interested and do the demo.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

PD

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Nov 22, 2011, 6:34:18 PM11/22/11
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I've mentioned to you already that you show little imagination and
experimental ingenuity. You would like to see a test involving a boat
and a rail gun, which would destroy part of the boat -- at a cost of
several tens of thousands of dollars at a minimum. The same claim could
be tested in a freshman physical laboratory at your nearest institution
of higher learning, using an air track, two airtrack carts strapped
together, with a spring-loaded projectile launcher on one and a
projectile catcher on the other. This test would be non-destructive,
yields higher precision because of the lower friction of the air track,
and would cost less than a hundred dollars.

For you to cavalierly suggest that someone spend tens of thousands of
dollars on a test of poor experimental design with destructive results,
when it is obvious that you have not spend a lick of thought into how to
perform the same test more elegantly, simply, cheaply,
non-destructively, and with higher precision --- THAT, Arindam, is why
your proposals are not treated seriously. You are an irresponsible
experimentalist.

P. Rajah

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Nov 22, 2011, 6:50:06 PM11/22/11
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On 11/22/2011 6:22 PM, Jay Stevens Maharaj aka the jumpin' jackass
jyotishithead aka the abominable ass-troll-oger wrote:

> In article<ca0e4c38-68c0-42e3...@v38g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Arindam Banerjee<banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>> Jay Stevens Maharaj posted:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Now, with which representative of "they (the world that has it all)"
>>> would you like to communicate about the boat experiment? Please name
>>> that person, if known.
>>>
>>> Jay Stevens Maharaj, Jyotishithead
>>>
>>
>> Definitely Mr President Barack Hussein Obama Sir, Commander in Chief
>> of the US Military.
>
> Have you communicated with the White House already?

Why do you continue to play with him, Jay? Does it amuse you to ridicule
him without him cottoning on to it?

> Jay Stevens Maharaj, Jyotishithead

--
Astrology: Fraud or Superstition?
http://www.seesharppress.com/astro.html

Ass-troll-ogers/jyotishitheads are the bane of humanity, and must be
cleansed or otherwise purified for the benefit of society.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vhp-terrorism

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 22, 2011, 7:13:19 PM11/22/11
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In article <d4b99a61-c095-4bad...@h30g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <4d5bf9ed-f4ce-4e93-8aa8-8175b2926...@e34g2000prh.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> >
> >
> > > > [Someone wrote:]
> > > > To put it plainly: =3DA0"Put up or shut up!"
> >
> > > I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) put a
> > > electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an untethered small
> > > swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow up its bows with
> > > rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still remains still,
> > > does not accelerate. =A0As would a boat firing a machine-gun (not inside
> > > it, of course!).
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Now, with which representative of "they (the world that has it all)"
> > would you like to communicate about the boat experiment? Please name
> > that person, if known.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> Also, in the entertainment zone it may be that the very lucrative "Top
> Gear" folk could be interested in this... to actually make a new
> engine instead of playing with toys, could be some good money-pulling
> stuff. I am sure they have the contacts to get the people in charge
> of rail guns interested and do the demo.
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee

Yes a number of people in the entertainment world are connected well
with political, business and technology leaders. Oprah Winfrey is one
of them; she was recently in your neck of the woods.

Zinnic

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Nov 22, 2011, 8:03:12 PM11/22/11
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On Nov 22, 5:15 pm, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
To attract researchers you need to 'ungarble,your proposal. Take it
from me, there is little interest in a proposal when the proposer does
not know what he is talking about. It would help if you were to
upgrade your proposal by indicating ball park figures for the number
of hits (N) and the efficiency multiples (k) necessary to conduct the
research program within reasonable cost limits.
Hope this is helpful
Zinnic
>
>
>
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 22, 2011, 11:37:45 PM11/22/11
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On Nov 23, 10:22 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <ca0e4c38-68c0-42e3-88ce-38d0fc0ee...@v38g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
No. I am willing to fund any interested agency at normal (10%) rates,
pending success of the IFE and all its commercial outcomes, to make
suitable contacts at high places for the experimental demonstration,
prototype making, etc. It is not possible for me to go around with my
proposal to the high and mighty. Enough for me it is, to write simply
and clearly for everyone to see, for ever and aye, on Usenet.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 22, 2011, 11:39:17 PM11/22/11
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On Nov 23, 11:13 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <d4b99a61-c095-4bad-a257-ff38d6e86...@h30g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
So was your President Mr Barack Hussein Obama Sir. I am afraid that a
total nonentity like me, with no friends and contacts in high places,
has no chance of getting anywhere near such exalted personalities.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 22, 2011, 11:51:05 PM11/22/11
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No. I have no use for the dishonest and the stupid.

> Zinnic
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 23, 2011, 2:22:28 AM11/23/11
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In article <5440a8d6-7e15-4c57...@g20g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> On Nov 23, 11:13=A0am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> > In article <d4b99a61-c095-4bad-a257-ff38d6e86...@h30g2000pro.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <4d5bf9ed-f4ce-4e93-8aa8-8175b2926...@e34g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > [Someone wrote:]
> > > > > > To put it plainly: =3D3DA0"Put up or shut up!"
> >
> > > > > I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) put a
> > > > > electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an untethered small
> > > > > swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow up its bows with
> > > > > rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still remains still,
> > > > > does not accelerate. =3DA0As would a boat firing a machine-gun (not=
> inside
> > > > > it, of course!).
> >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Now, with which representative of "they (the world that has it all)"
> > > > would you like to communicate about the boat experiment? Please name
> > > > that person, if known.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Also, in the entertainment zone it may be that the very lucrative "Top
> > > Gear" folk could be interested in this... =A0to actually make a new
> > > engine instead of playing with toys, could be some good money-pulling
> > > stuff. =A0I am sure they have the contacts to get the people in charge
> > > of rail guns interested and do the demo.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > Yes a number of people in the entertainment world are connected well
> > with political, business and technology leaders. Oprah Winfrey is one
> > of them; she was recently in your neck of the woods.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> So was your President Mr Barack Hussein Obama Sir. I am afraid that a
> total nonentity like me, with no friends and contacts in high places,
> has no chance of getting anywhere near such exalted personalities.

Yes he was; he was here in Hawaii before that and is returning here
for the holidays. But one e-mail message from you to the White House
with a copy to the Pentagon about your project can begin the process.
Their e-mail addresses are commonly available on the web.

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 23, 2011, 2:31:05 AM11/23/11
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In article <4930cbe7-f484-4786...@o37g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> On Nov 23, 12:03=A0pm, Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 22, 5:15=A0pm, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 23, 9:43=A0am, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > To put it plainly: =A0"Put up or shut up!"
> >
> > > > I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) put a
> > > > electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an untethered small
> > > > swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow up its bows with
> > > > rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still remains still,
> > > > does not accelerate. =A0As would a boat firing a machine-gun (not inside
> > > > it, of course!).
> >
> > > I mean, a boat firing a machine gun would acclerate, as Mr Trebert has
> > > pointed out. =A0A rail gun firing into itself would acclerate similarly=
> ,
> > > that is what to be demostrated.
> >
> > To attract researchers =A0you need to 'ungarble,your proposal. Take it
> > from me, there is little interest in a proposal when the proposer does
> > not know what he is talking about. It would help if you were to
> > upgrade your proposal by indicating ball park figures for the number
> > of hits (N) and the efficiency multiples (k) =A0necessary to conduct the
> > research program within reasonable cost limits.
> > Hope this is helpful
> > Zinnic
>
> No. I have no use for the dishonest and the stupid.

It seems that at this point an intermediary would be helpful for your
project. An intellectual property lawyer in Australia who has a
working relationship with counterparts in other countries would be a
starter. He or she would represent and protect your interests.

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 23, 2011, 2:36:29 AM11/23/11
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On Nov 23, 6:22 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <5440a8d6-7e15-4c57-ac00-8c7517703...@g20g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
Well, this is encouraging. I once wrote like that to President Kalam
who was supposed to be open to new ideas, especially in science. I
did not even get an acknowledgment. My father has been trying to
contact Indian bigwigs including Mamata Banerjee on my patented
invention the Hydrogen Transmission Network, but all his efforts are
in vain. They do not even acknowledge correspondence. I personally
sent fax messages to the big guys in Writers' Building, but no reply!
The Indian Govt. is a black hole, whichever way you look at it. Only
once did it emit something about me, and that was the gratuitous back-
stabbing of one Abominable Garg.

The US should be better, politeness-wise at least. I once contacted
the US embassy here about the HTN, and they at least replied. They
gave me people to contact, and I sent them the material and after that
I never heard of anything any more.

Going by past experience, thus, I cannot think I will get much luck as
things are. I suppose a lot of legwork/money/time is required to get
such things going. Anyway I am not an US citizen, so I don't think I
should be writing to the US President unless something is initiated
from the US side and then I reply with Australian permission - for
after all the matter is very sensitive technically. Needless to add,
I won't waste any breath upon anything like that happening!

So I guess there is nothing for me to do, but to pursue a new career
in the literary side. Your idea of starting some web blog is a very
good one. Thanks. I will give it a go, next March after I return from
a 3-month holiday in India starting end December.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

Arindam Banerjee

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On Nov 23, 6:31 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <4930cbe7-f484-4786-bbf6-30e2ac3a7...@o37g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
I would be perfectly happy to be represented by a good lawyer, but I
cannot pay him or her anything. Payment has to come from future
earnings! I suppose a well-established legal firm may take on the
risk.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 23, 2011, 2:56:37 AM11/23/11
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In article <6ea7e839-03ac-4905...@k5g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <5440a8d6-7e15-4c57-ac00-8c7517703...@g20g2000prb.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 23, 11:13=3DA0am, use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr.
> > > Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> > > > In article <d4b99a61-c095-4bad-a257-ff38d6e86...@h30g2000pro.googlegr=
> oups=3D
> > > ..com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <4d5bf9ed-f4ce-4e93-8aa8-8175b2926...@e34g2000prh.goog=
> legroups.com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > [Someone wrote:]
> > > > > > > > To put it plainly: =3D3D3DA0"Put up or shut up!"
> >
> > > > > > > I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) put a
> > > > > > > electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an untethered =
> small
> > > > > > > swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow up its bows=
> with
> > > > > > > rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still remains sti=
> ll,
> > > > > > > does not accelerate. =3D3DA0As would a boat firing a machine-gu=
> n (not=3D
> > > =A0inside
> > > > > > > it, of course!).
> >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > > > Now, with which representative of "they (the world that has it al=
> l)"
> > > > > > would you like to communicate about the boat experiment? Please n=
> ame
> > > > > > that person, if known.
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > Also, in the entertainment zone it may be that the very lucrative "=
> Top
> > > > > Gear" folk could be interested in this... =3DA0to actually make a n=
> ew
> > > > > engine instead of playing with toys, could be some good money-pulli=
> ng
> > > > > stuff. =3DA0I am sure they have the contacts to get the people in c=
> harge
> > > > > of rail guns interested and do the demo.
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee
> >
> > > > Yes a number of people in the entertainment world are connected well
> > > > with political, business and technology leaders. Oprah Winfrey is one
> > > > of them; she was recently in your neck of the woods.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > So was your President Mr Barack Hussein Obama Sir. I am afraid that a
> > > total nonentity like me, with no friends and contacts in high places,
> > > has no chance of getting anywhere near such exalted personalities.
> >
> > Yes he was; he was here in Hawaii before that and is returning here
> > for the holidays. But one e-mail message from you to the White House
> > with a copy to the Pentagon about your project can begin the process.
> > Their e-mail addresses are commonly available on the web.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
Well, corruption is a challenge to be overcome everywhere, whether in
Bharat or in western countries, although it tends to be at higher
levels in the West. Just look at the Solyndra scandal. I recall when
the telephone came to U.P. and Delhi way back in time. The installers
wanted bribes to just to install them in your house. The situation
has not changed much, only gotten worse generally. Enjoy your holiday
and then write, write and write!

George Plimpton

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Nov 23, 2011, 3:05:04 AM11/23/11
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Jay Stevens, aka Jyotishithead - not a Hindoo, not Indian, not a doctor
- lied:

> I recall when the telephone came to U.P. and Delhi way back in time.

No, you don't, you fucking lying fake Hindoo.

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Re: Future directions with IFEs
alt.philosophy,alt.fan.jai-maharaj,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,soc.culture.indian
>>>>>> Now, with which representative of "they (the world that has it all)"
>>>>>> would you like to communicate about the boat experiment? Please
>>>>>> name that person, if known.

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 23, 2011, 3:30:12 AM11/23/11
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Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
See, corruption is everywhere:

Former Obama Fund-Raiser Gets Over 10 Years in Fraud and Bribery Case
(Obama, not Rezko in headline)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/us/antoin-rezko-is-sentenced-to-over-10-years.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

What one has to do is to overcome it, as you know.

Jos Bergervoet

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Nov 23, 2011, 4:23:58 AM11/23/11
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On 11/22/2011 10:49 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Nov 22, 11:25 pm, Jos Bergervoet<jos.bergerv...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
..
>> If your IFE is not demonstrated you can hardly
>> blame them for not using it, I would say..
>
> I do blame them for wasting mega-billions of dollars upon stupid
> einsteinian pseudoscience, and not spending a mere few thousand
> dollars to mount an existing rail gun on a small boat,

But an "existing railgun" is not a new invention.
If you claim to have invented a new IFE you cannot
demonstrate something that already exists.

> .. If the boat accelerates forward as a result, it will
> do so by successful application of internal force, thus proving the
> validity of this basic equation e=0.5mvVN(N-k)

No, if the boat moves then people will say it is
because of the magnetic force which was already
known by Ampere. It is not invented by you.

> and in that process dismissing e=mcc
> and its bizarre voodoo consequences as rubbish.

If E=mc^2 is questioned, they will say this was
discovered by the neutrino experiments at CERN.
They already write about it in the press!

> I can understand their problem, though. If the
> boat does accelerate as a result,

No problem. Just tell them it is in agreement
with the neutrino findings of the LHC team.

--

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 23, 2011, 4:50:10 AM11/23/11
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In article <510fa3df-296d-4d04...@q39g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <4930cbe7-f484-4786-bbf6-30e2ac3a7...@o37g2000prn.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > On Nov 23, 12:03=3DA0pm, Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 22, 5:15=3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Nov 23, 9:43=3DA0am, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.co=
> m>
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > To put it plainly: =3DA0"Put up or shut up!"
> >
> > > > > > I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) put a
> > > > > > electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an untethered sm=
> all
> > > > > > swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow up its bows w=
> ith
> > > > > > rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still remains still=
> ,
> > > > > > does not accelerate. =3DA0As would a boat firing a machine-gun (n=
> ot inside
> > > > > > it, of course!).
> >
> > > > > I mean, a boat firing a machine gun would acclerate, as Mr Trebert =
> has
> > > > > pointed out. =3DA0A rail gun firing into itself would acclerate sim=
> ilarly=3D
> > > ,
> > > > > that is what to be demostrated.
> >
> > > > To attract researchers =3DA0you need to 'ungarble,your proposal. Take=
> it
> > > > from me, there is little interest in a proposal when the proposer doe=
> s
> > > > not know what he is talking about. It would help if you were to
> > > > upgrade your proposal by indicating ball park figures for the number
> > > > of hits (N) and the efficiency multiples (k) =3DA0necessary to conduc=
> t the
> > > > research program within reasonable cost limits.
> > > > Hope this is helpful
> > > > Zinnic
> >
> > > No. =A0I have no use for the dishonest and the stupid.
> >
> > It seems that at this point an intermediary would be helpful for your
> > project. An intellectual property lawyer in Australia who has a
> > working relationship with counterparts in other countries would be a
> > starter. He or she would represent and protect your interests.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
> I would be perfectly happy to be represented by a good lawyer, but I
> cannot pay him or her anything. Payment has to come from future
> earnings! I suppose a well-established legal firm may take on the
> risk.

A loan can be obtained from a bank on the basis of a credit rating,
collateral or a business plan, or a combination. Loans are repaid by
existing assets and future income. Do you have a business plan ready?
All this is elementary information but can help if repeated.

DMJoshi

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Nov 23, 2011, 5:01:05 AM11/23/11
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On Nov 23, 7:36 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>  My father has been trying to
> contact Indian bigwigs including Mamata Banerjee on my patented
> invention the Hydrogen Transmission Network, but all his efforts are
> in vain.  They do not even acknowledge correspondence.I personally
> sent fax messages to the big guys in Writers' Building, but no reply!

I suppose your anger at that Official of Gujarat Government must have
reduced a bit after not getting even acknowledgement from Didi's
administration.

Normally in India people who seek audience with people in position of
your Didi camp outside the gates of their bungalows. Any such plan
during your 3 months in India?

Arindam Banerjee

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On Nov 23, 8:23 pm, Jos Bergervoet <jos.bergerv...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On 11/22/2011 10:49 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>
> > On Nov 22, 11:25 pm, Jos Bergervoet<jos.bergerv...@xs4all.nl>  wrote:
>      ..
> >>   If your IFE is not demonstrated you can hardly
> >> blame them for not using it, I would say..
>
> > I do blame them for wasting mega-billions of dollars upon stupid
> > einsteinian pseudoscience, and not spending a mere few thousand
> > dollars to mount an existing rail gun on a small boat,
>
> But an "existing railgun" is not a new invention.
> If you claim to have invented a new IFE you cannot
> demonstrate something that already exists.

A modified railgun which is an engine is a new invention. It has not
been shown to work yet, as there has been no demonstration. There is
certainly no known craft powered by IFEs. I will not be demonstrating
the firing of a rail gun, I will be demonstrating how a rail gun can
be modified into an engine which could take a craft to speeds
exceeding light.
>
> >  .. If the boat accelerates forward as a result, it will
> > do so by successful application of internal force, thus proving the
> > validity of this basic equation e=0.5mvVN(N-k)
>
> No, if the boat moves then people will say it is
> because of the magnetic force which was already
> known by Ampere. It is not invented by you.

No, the formula I mentioned is most certainly new and never been
published before. I am not talking of magnetic force here. I am
talking of sustained hits by internal force to a body that creates the
extra energy in terms of dynamics.
>
> > and in that process dismissing e=mcc
> > and its bizarre voodoo consequences as rubbish.
>
> If E=mc^2 is questioned, they will say this was
> discovered  by the neutrino experiments at CERN.
> They already write about it in the press!

Long before that, I published in 2005 a paper showing how the results
of the MMI experiment were wrongly analysed. I have talked on that at
great length in public space, that is Usenet. By deductive logic it
has been shown beyond doubt that e=mcc is nonsense. Now experiments
are confirming what has earlier been shown as nonsense using deductive
logic.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 23, 2011, 4:22:52 PM11/23/11
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On Nov 23, 8:50 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <510fa3df-296d-4d04-a2b6-d4f44be4d...@q39g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
yes, but I don't want any loans. If I earn money somehow, I will
pursue my hobbies with same. If someone with more money than I have
got wants to take the risk, the chance of partnership is certainly
on. If there is no one, then it is just myself of course, as has been
the case for all my life.

> All this is elementary information but can help if repeated.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 23, 2011, 4:56:20 PM11/23/11
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In article <be93f462-fad7-48d7...@o37g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <510fa3df-296d-4d04-a2b6-d4f44be4d...@q39g2000prg.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <4930cbe7-f484-4786-bbf6-30e2ac3a7...@o37g2000prn.googlegr=
> oups=3D
> > > ..com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > On Nov 23, 12:03=3D3DA0pm, Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 22, 5:15=3D3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmai=
> l.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:43=3D3DA0am, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gm=
> ail.co=3D
> > > m>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > To put it plainly: =3D3DA0"Put up or shut up!"
> >
> > > > > > > > I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) put a
> > > > > > > > electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an untethere=
> d sm=3D
> > > all
> > > > > > > > swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow up its bo=
> ws w=3D
> > > ith
> > > > > > > > rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still remains s=
> till=3D
> > > ,
> > > > > > > > does not accelerate. =3D3DA0As would a boat firing a machine-=
> gun (n=3D
> > > ot inside
> > > > > > > > it, of course!).
> >
> > > > > > > I mean, a boat firing a machine gun would acclerate, as Mr Treb=
> ert =3D
> > > has
> > > > > > > pointed out. =3D3DA0A rail gun firing into itself would acclera=
> te sim=3D
> > > ilarly=3D3D
> > > > > ,
> > > > > > > that is what to be demostrated.
> >
> > > > > > To attract researchers =3D3DA0you need to 'ungarble,your proposal=
> .. Take=3D
> > > =A0it
> > > > > > from me, there is little interest in a proposal when the proposer=
> doe=3D
> > > s
> > > > > > not know what he is talking about. It would help if you were to
> > > > > > upgrade your proposal by indicating ball park figures for the num=
> ber
> > > > > > of hits (N) and the efficiency multiples (k) =3D3DA0necessary to =
> conduc=3D
> > > t the
> > > > > > research program within reasonable cost limits.
> > > > > > Hope this is helpful
> > > > > > Zinnic
> >
> > > > > No. =3DA0I have no use for the dishonest and the stupid.
> >
> > > > It seems that at this point an intermediary would be helpful for your
> > > > project. An intellectual property lawyer in Australia who has a
> > > > working relationship with counterparts in other countries would be a
> > > > starter. He or she would represent and protect your interests.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > I would be perfectly happy to be represented by a good lawyer, but I
> > > cannot pay him or her anything. =A0Payment has to come from future
> > > earnings! =A0I suppose a well-established legal firm may take on the
> > > risk.
> >
> > A loan can be obtained from a bank on the basis of a credit rating,
> > collateral or a business plan, or a combination. Loans are repaid by
> > existing assets and future income. Do you have a business plan ready?
> > All this is elementary information but can help if repeated.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> yes, but I don't want any loans. If I earn money somehow, I will
> pursue my hobbies with same. If someone with more money than I have
> got wants to take the risk, the chance of partnership is certainly
> on. If there is no one, then it is just myself of course, as has been
> the case for all my life.

Since you mentioned paying "from future earnings", the idea of a loan
came to mind. And someone else taking a risk points one in the
direction of a bank, backer or financier usually. But that's neither
here nor there. You mention the possibility of a partnership. A
partner would have to assess the risk based on your science and
business plans. Is this loud thinking getting you anywhere?

PD

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On 11/23/2011 3:56 PM, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

>
> Since you mentioned paying "from future earnings", the idea of a loan
> came to mind. And someone else taking a risk points one in the
> direction of a bank, backer or financier usually. But that's neither
> here nor there. You mention the possibility of a partnership. A
> partner would have to assess the risk based on your science and
> business plans. Is this loud thinking getting you anywhere?

Arindam wants to take the lowest risk path possible. That is why he is
happy to post his ideas to unmoderated newsgroups and has no desire to
attempt any publications with a higher barrier of publication. He is not
willing to spend any of his own resources, though he frivolously
suggests that others spend theirs on his behalf. He is not willing to
find a method by which he can actually participate in the experiment
himself, and is content to design experiments that are just out of his
own reach. The only way he would entertain any other avenue is if people
came to him with a proposed solution served to him on a silver platter,
so that the maximum effort entailed is consent. Any solution that would
require more involvement on his part also entails the possibility of
exposure and failure, something that Arindam would find lethal.

He is willing to blame everything and everyone for persecution and
harassment, but is unwilling to see that virtually all of the
obstructions he lists are those of his own construction. This is the
business of Artful Laziness by Avoidance of All Risk (ALAAR - tm).

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 23, 2011, 5:40:29 PM11/23/11
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On Nov 24, 8:56 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <be93f462-fad7-48d7-a30b-16c3d5bef...@o37g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
Oh yes, if anyone is interested I will be happy to talk first.
It is not wise to discuss business plans in an open forum.
One has got to be sure about the authenticity of the people concerned,
first.
My phone number is +61397993032,
I am open for business!
Arindam Banerjee
Director
HTN Research Pty Ltd.

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 24, 2011, 1:53:45 AM11/24/11
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In article <59d148d0-1161-4a0a...@z22g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <be93f462-fad7-48d7-a30b-16c3d5bef...@o37g2000prn.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <510fa3df-296d-4d04-a2b6-d4f44be4d...@q39g2000prg.googlegr=
> oups=3D
> > > ..com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <4930cbe7-f484-4786-bbf6-30e2ac3a7...@o37g2000prn.goog=
> legr=3D
> > > oups=3D3D
> > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 23, 12:03=3D3D3DA0pm, Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> wrot=
> e:
> > > > > > > > On Nov 22, 5:15=3D3D3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1..=
> ..@gmai=3D
> > > l.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:43=3D3D3DA0am, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1=
> ....@gm=3D
> > > ail.co=3D3D
> > > > > m>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > To put it plainly: =3D3D3DA0"Put up or shut up!"
> >
> > > > > > > > > > I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) put a
> > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an untet=
> here=3D
> > > d sm=3D3D
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow up it=
> s bo=3D
> > > ws w=3D3D
> > > > > ith
> > > > > > > > > > rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still remai=
> ns s=3D
> > > till=3D3D
> > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > does not accelerate. =3D3D3DA0As would a boat firing a ma=
> chine-=3D
> > > gun (n=3D3D
> > > > > ot inside
> > > > > > > > > > it, of course!).
> >
> > > > > > > > > I mean, a boat firing a machine gun would acclerate, as Mr =
> Treb=3D
> > > ert =3D3D
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > pointed out. =3D3D3DA0A rail gun firing into itself would a=
> cclera=3D
> > > te sim=3D3D
> > > > > ilarly=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > that is what to be demostrated.
> >
> > > > > > > > To attract researchers =3D3D3DA0you need to 'ungarble,your pr=
> oposal=3D
> > > .. Take=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0it
> > > > > > > > from me, there is little interest in a proposal when the prop=
> oser=3D
> > > =A0doe=3D3D
> > > > > s
> > > > > > > > not know what he is talking about. It would help if you were =
> to
> > > > > > > > upgrade your proposal by indicating ball park figures for the=
> num=3D
> > > ber
> > > > > > > > of hits (N) and the efficiency multiples (k) =3D3D3DA0necessa=
> ry to =3D
> > > conduc=3D3D
> > > > > t the
> > > > > > > > research program within reasonable cost limits.
> > > > > > > > Hope this is helpful
> > > > > > > > Zinnic
> >
> > > > > > > No. =3D3DA0I have no use for the dishonest and the stupid.
> >
> > > > > > It seems that at this point an intermediary would be helpful for =
> your
> > > > > > project. An intellectual property lawyer in Australia who has a
> > > > > > working relationship with counterparts in other countries would b=
> e a
> > > > > > starter. He or she would represent and protect your interests.
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > I would be perfectly happy to be represented by a good lawyer, but =
> I
> > > > > cannot pay him or her anything. =3DA0Payment has to come from futur=
> e
> > > > > earnings! =3DA0I suppose a well-established legal firm may take on =
> the
> > > > > risk.
> >
> > > > A loan can be obtained from a bank on the basis of a credit rating,
> > > > collateral or a business plan, or a combination. Loans are repaid by
> > > > existing assets and future income. Do you have a business plan ready?
> > > > All this is elementary information but can help if repeated.
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > yes, but I don't want any loans. =A0If I earn money somehow, I will
> > > pursue my hobbies with same. =A0If someone with more money than I have
> > > got wants to take the risk, the chance of partnership is certainly
> > > on. =A0If there is no one, then it is just myself of course, as has bee=
> n
> > > the case for all my life.
> >
> > Since you mentioned paying "from future earnings", the idea of a loan
> > came to mind. And someone else taking a risk points one in the
> > direction of a bank, backer or financier usually. But that's neither
> > here nor there. You mention the possibility of a partnership. A
> > partner would have to assess the risk based on your science and
> > business plans. Is this loud thinking getting you anywhere?
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -
>
> Oh yes, if anyone is interested I will be happy to talk first.
> It is not wise to discuss business plans in an open forum.
> One has got to be sure about the authenticity of the people concerned,
> first.
> My phone number is +61397993032,
> I am open for business!
> Arindam Banerjee
> Director
> HTN Research Pty Ltd.

Many folks use Skype as well.

Arindam Banerjee

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Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <59d148d0-1161-4a0a-b62d-67cc7f041...@z22g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
I am on Skype Arindam Banerjee of Melbourne, there is only one! Be
happy to talk face to face with any worthy party!
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -
>

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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In article <37861db3-7a08-4f46...@q27g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <59d148d0-1161-4a0a-b62d-67cc7f041...@z22g2000prd.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <be93f462-fad7-48d7-a30b-16c3d5bef...@o37g2000prn.googlegr=
> oups=3D
> > > ..com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <510fa3df-296d-4d04-a2b6-d4f44be4d...@q39g2000prg.goog=
> legr=3D
> > > oups=3D3D
> > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <4930cbe7-f484-4786-bbf6-30e2ac3a7...@o37g2000prn.=
> goog=3D
> > > legr=3D3D
> > > > > oups=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 12:03=3D3D3D3DA0pm, Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com=
> > wrot=3D
> > > e:
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 22, 5:15=3D3D3D3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeea=
> dda1..=3D
> > > ..@gmai=3D3D
> > > > > l.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:43=3D3D3D3DA0am, Arindam Banerjee <banerje=
> eadda1=3D
> > > ....@gm=3D3D
> > > > > ail.co=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > m>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To put it plainly: =3D3D3D3DA0"Put up or shut up!"
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I will shut up if they (the world that has it all) pu=
> t a
> > > > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic rail machine gun in the stern of an u=
> ntet=3D
> > > here=3D3D
> > > > > d sm=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > > swift boat floating freely in still water; and blow u=
> p it=3D
> > > s bo=3D3D
> > > > > ws w=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ith
> > > > > > > > > > > > rail machine gun fire - and then show that it still r=
> emai=3D
> > > ns s=3D3D
> > > > > till=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > does not accelerate. =3D3D3D3DA0As would a boat firin=
> g a ma=3D
> > > chine-=3D3D
> > > > > gun (n=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ot inside
> > > > > > > > > > > > it, of course!).
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > I mean, a boat firing a machine gun would acclerate, as=
> Mr =3D
> > > Treb=3D3D
> > > > > ert =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > pointed out. =3D3D3D3DA0A rail gun firing into itself w=
> ould a=3D
> > > cclera=3D3D
> > > > > te sim=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ilarly=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > that is what to be demostrated.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > To attract researchers =3D3D3D3DA0you need to 'ungarble,y=
> our pr=3D
> > > oposal=3D3D
> > > > > .. Take=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > =3D3DA0it
> > > > > > > > > > from me, there is little interest in a proposal when the =
> prop=3D
> > > oser=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0doe=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > > not know what he is talking about. It would help if you w=
> ere =3D
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > > upgrade your proposal by indicating ball park figures for=
> the=3D
> > > =A0num=3D3D
> > > > > ber
> > > > > > > > > > of hits (N) and the efficiency multiples (k) =3D3D3D3DA0n=
> ecessa=3D
> > > ry to =3D3D
> > > > > conduc=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > t the
> > > > > > > > > > research program within reasonable cost limits.
> > > > > > > > > > Hope this is helpful
> > > > > > > > > > Zinnic
> >
> > > > > > > > > No. =3D3D3DA0I have no use for the dishonest and the stupid=
> ..
> >
> > > > > > > > It seems that at this point an intermediary would be helpful =
> for =3D
> > > your
> > > > > > > > project. An intellectual property lawyer in Australia who has=
> a
> > > > > > > > working relationship with counterparts in other countries wou=
> ld b=3D
> > > e a
> > > > > > > > starter. He or she would represent and protect your interests=
> ..
> >
> > > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > > > I would be perfectly happy to be represented by a good lawyer, =
> but =3D
> > > I
> > > > > > > cannot pay him or her anything. =3D3DA0Payment has to come from=
> futur=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > > earnings! =3D3DA0I suppose a well-established legal firm may ta=
> ke on =3D
> > > the
> > > > > > > risk.
> >
> > > > > > A loan can be obtained from a bank on the basis of a credit ratin=
> g,
> > > > > > collateral or a business plan, or a combination. Loans are repaid=
> by
> > > > > > existing assets and future income. Do you have a business plan re=
> ady?
> > > > > > All this is elementary information but can help if repeated.
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > > > yes, but I don't want any loans. =3DA0If I earn money somehow, I wi=
> ll
> > > > > pursue my hobbies with same. =3DA0If someone with more money than I=
> have
> > > > > got wants to take the risk, the chance of partnership is certainly
> > > > > on. =3DA0If there is no one, then it is just myself of course, as h=
> as bee=3D
> > > n
> > > > > the case for all my life.
> >
> > > > Since you mentioned paying "from future earnings", the idea of a loan
> > > > came to mind. And someone else taking a risk points one in the
> > > > direction of a bank, backer or financier usually. But that's neither
> > > > here nor there. You mention the possibility of a partnership. A
> > > > partner would have to assess the risk based on your science and
> > > > business plans. Is this loud thinking getting you anywhere?
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > Oh yes, if anyone is interested I will be happy to talk first.
> > > It is not wise to discuss business plans in an open forum.
> > > One has got to be sure about the authenticity of the people concerned,
> > > first.
> > > My phone number is +61397993032,
> > > I am open for business!
> > > Arindam Banerjee
> > > Director
> > > HTN Research Pty Ltd.
> >
> > Many folks use Skype as well.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> I am on Skype Arindam Banerjee of Melbourne, there is only one! Be
> happy to talk face to face with any worthy party!

Potential callers may be curious about your criteria for their
worthiness.

Arindam Banerjee

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On Nov 24, 6:10 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <37861db3-7a08-4f46-8e53-ad776a3df...@q27g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
email to adda...@bigpond.com is also fine to begin contact...
mobile +61408579983 will get me most times
My above phone number is also a fax line.
Contacting me should not be a problem.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -
>

Arindam Banerjee

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On Nov 24, 6:10 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <37861db3-7a08-4f46-8e53-ad776a3df...@q27g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
So long as they are not pranksters, but serious people who really
understand what I am trying to do, it should be just fine. I am
always happy to meet anyone not malicious and friendly, anytime.
There are very few people like that, who seem eager to meet me, I
wonder why.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -
>

DMJoshi

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On Nov 23, 9:19 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 9:01 pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Normally in India people who seek audience with people in position of
> > your Didi camp outside the gates of their bungalows. Any such plan
> > during your 3 months in India?
>
> No, but my father will do something on the lines you suggest.  After
> all, he is a social worker who thinks my idea will benefit the poor
> people in rural areas.  He will not be fighting for my interests, but
> for the interests of the neglected masses of very poor people without
> water, education, medical facilities, etc etc.

How would your idea will benefit poor people in rural areas?

Would they be able to afford Internal Force Engine, every one.

Tata was in news of making a car that runs on compressed air. Even if
they have succeeded I doubt it will be affordable to poor indians,
rural or urban.


> For myself, I will be touring Madhya Pradesh and South India en
> famile, plus of course stay in Kolkata and places in Jharkhand.

Jos Bergervoet

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On 11/24/2011 8:20 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee<banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>>> =A0Arindam Banerjee<banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
..
>>>>>> Since you mentioned paying "from future earnings", the idea of a loan
>>>>>> came to mind. And someone else taking a risk points one in the
>>>>>> direction of a bank, backer or financier usually. But that's neither
>>>>>> here nor there. You mention the possibility of a partnership. A
>>>>>> partner would have to assess the risk based on your science and
>>>>>> business plans. Is this loud thinking getting you anywhere?
>>
>>>>> Oh yes, if anyone is interested I will be happy to talk first.
>>>>> It is not wise to discuss business plans in an open forum.
>>>>> One has got to be sure about the authenticity of the people concerned,
>>>>> first.
>>>>> My phone number is +61397993032,
>>>>> I am open for business!
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>>>> Director
>>>>> HTN Research Pty Ltd.
>>
>>>> Many folks use Skype as well.
>>>>
>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>> Om Shanti
>>
>>> I am on Skype Arindam Banerjee of Melbourne, there is only one! Be
>>> happy to talk face to face with any worthy party!
>>
>> Potential callers may be curious about your criteria for their
>> worthiness.
>
> So long as they are not pranksters, but serious people who really
> understand what I am trying to do, it should be just fine. I am

But to "really understand" it, they themselves would have
to be familiar with the secrets of the IFE, or at least
with similar concepts.

> always happy to meet anyone not malicious and friendly, anytime.
> There are very few people like that, who seem eager to meet me, I
> wonder why.

Well.. there are very few people who really understand the
IFE issues, that seems to explain it! (Perhaps only Zefram
Cochrane would qualify.)

-- Jos

Arindam Banerjee

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On Nov 24, 6:37 pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 9:19 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 9:01 pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Normally in India people who seek audience with people in position of
> > > your Didi camp outside the gates of their bungalows. Any such plan
> > > during your 3 months in India?
>
> > No, but my father will do something on the lines you suggest.  After
> > all, he is a social worker who thinks my idea will benefit the poor
> > people in rural areas.  He will not be fighting for my interests, but
> > for the interests of the neglected masses of very poor people without
> > water, education, medical facilities, etc etc.
>
> How would your idea will benefit poor people in rural areas?

They will get pure water and electricity with hydrogen coming from the
hydrogen transmission network.
>
> Would they be able to afford Internal Force Engine, every one.

Not just yet.
>
> Tata was in news of making a car that runs on compressed air. Even if
> they have succeeded I doubt it will be affordable to poor indians,
> rural or urban.
>
>
>
> > For myself, I will be touring Madhya Pradesh and South India en
> > famile, plus of course stay in Kolkata and places in Jharkhand.- Hide quoted text -

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 24, 2011, 4:11:50 AM11/24/11
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If they were genuine people with average intelligence, they should not
have found anything I have written beyond comprehension.
>
> > always happy to meet anyone not malicious and friendly, anytime.
> > There are very few people like that, who seem eager to meet me, I
> > wonder why.
>
> Well.. there are very few people who really understand the
> IFE issues, that seems to explain it! (Perhaps only Zefram
> Cochrane would qualify.)

Well, well, all the more reason why people in high places should
invite me to give talks in the public space. As opposed to my keeping
on writing in usenet space.
>
> -- Jos- Hide quoted text -

DMJoshi

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On Nov 24, 9:09 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 6:37 pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 9:19 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 23, 9:01 pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Normally in India people who seek audience with people in position of
> > > > your Didi camp outside the gates of their bungalows. Any such plan
> > > > during your 3 months in India?
>
> > > No, but my father will do something on the lines you suggest.  After
> > > all, he is a social worker who thinks my idea will benefit the poor
> > > people in rural areas.  He will not be fighting for my interests, but
> > > for the interests of the neglected masses of very poor people without
> > > water, education, medical facilities, etc etc.
>
> > How would your idea will benefit poor people in rural areas?
>
> They will get pure water and electricity with hydrogen coming from the
> hydrogen transmission network.

How do Hydrogen Transmitting Pipes compare in cost? I believe you
have the patent for manufacturing such pipes. In your state Jharkhand
a 100 square kilometres of Rural and Semi Rural area (of your choice)
if the State is to implement your scheme, what investment state has to
make?

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 24, 2011, 7:42:17 AM11/24/11
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On Nov 24, 8:44 pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 9:09 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 6:37 pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 23, 9:19 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 23, 9:01 pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Normally in India people who seek audience with people in position of
> > > > > your Didi camp outside the gates of their bungalows. Any such plan
> > > > > during your 3 months in India?
>
> > > > No, but my father will do something on the lines you suggest.  After
> > > > all, he is a social worker who thinks my idea will benefit the poor
> > > > people in rural areas.  He will not be fighting for my interests, but
> > > > for the interests of the neglected masses of very poor people without
> > > > water, education, medical facilities, etc etc.
>
> > > How would your idea will benefit poor people in rural areas?
>
> > They will get pure water and electricity with hydrogen coming from the
> > hydrogen transmission network.
>
> How do Hydrogen Transmitting Pipes  compare in cost?

It is a big exercise, to provide contrasts between planned power
generation and power using HTN.
Only a pilot project can give realistic cost estimates.
On the basis of research papers, one finds that sending same amount of
energy using HV trans lines and gas pipes, the costs are roughly the
same so far as installation goes.


I believe you
> have the patent for manufacturing such pipes.

No. I have the patent for a method to distribute power from variable
power generation sources with respect to time to multiple sinks using
the piping of hydrogen.

DMJoshi

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Nov 24, 2011, 8:20:34 AM11/24/11
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In Jharkhand you do not have sea water to convert, so I suppose
instead of Solar Power you would recommend coal power to produce
Hydrogen and that having come from fresh water it may not be worth to
spend on producing fresh water for rural population.

Mamta Banerjee's state can use sea water and solar power to turn salty
or brackish water into hydrogen. No Bengali Scientist in the state to
back up you.

I doubt if Modi would listen to me. But he should some of the
champions of Hinduism in USA and Canada, after all they have kept the
flag of सनातन धर्म flying there.

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 24, 2011, 4:08:38 PM11/24/11
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I don't know what to say, when their top goal is evidently to ignore
my existence upon the planet.
>
> I doubt if Modi would listen to me. But he should some of the
> champions of Hinduism in USA and Canada, after all they have kept the
> flag of सनातन धर्म flying there.

Who knows what may happen.

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 24, 2011, 4:23:16 PM11/24/11
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In article <2c68a64b-d9d5-4231...@h37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> On Nov 25, 12:20=C2=A0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 12:42=C2=A0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 24, 8:44=C2=A0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Nov 24, 9:09=C2=A0am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrot=
> e:
> >
> > > > > On Nov 24, 6:37=C2=A0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:19=C2=A0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> =
> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:01=C2=A0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Normally in India people who seek audience with people in pos=
> ition of
> > > > > > > > your Didi camp outside the gates of their bungalows. Any such=
> plan
> > > > > > > > during your 3 months in India?
> >
> > > > > > > No, but my father will do something on the lines you suggest. =
> =C2=A0After
> > > > > > > all, he is a social worker who thinks my idea will benefit the =
> poor
> > > > > > > people in rural areas. =C2=A0He will not be fighting for my int=
> erests, but
> > > > > > > for the interests of the neglected masses of very poor people w=
> ithout
> > > > > > > water, education, medical facilities, etc etc.
> >
> > > > > > How would your idea will benefit poor people in rural areas?
> >
> > > > > They will get pure water and electricity with hydrogen coming from =
> the
> > > > > hydrogen transmission network.
> >
> > > > How do Hydrogen Transmitting Pipes =C2=A0compare in cost?
> >
> > > It is a big exercise, to provide contrasts between planned power
> > > generation and power using HTN.
> > > Only a pilot project can give realistic cost estimates.
> > > On the basis of research papers, one finds that sending same amount of
> > > energy using HV trans lines and gas pipes, the costs are roughly the
> > > same so far as installation goes.
> >
> > > I believe you
> >
> > > > have the patent for manufacturing such pipes.
> >
> > > No. I have the patent for a method to distribute power from variable
> > > power generation sources with respect to time to multiple sinks using
> > > the piping of hydrogen.
> > > >=C2=A0In your state Jharkhand
> > > > a 100 square kilometres of Rural and Semi Rural area (of your choice)
> > > > if the State is to implement your scheme, what investment state has t=
> o
> > > > make?
> >
> > In Jharkhand you do not have sea water to convert, so I suppose
> > instead of Solar Power you would recommend coal power to produce
> > Hydrogen and that having come from fresh water it may not be worth to
> > spend on producing fresh water for rural population.
> > Mamta Banerjee's state can use sea water and solar power to turn salty
> > or brackish water into hydrogen. No Bengali Scientist in the state to
> > back up you.
>
> I don't know what to say, when their top goal is evidently to ignore
> my existence upon the planet.
> >
> > I doubt if Modi would listen to me. But he should some of the
> > champions of Hinduism in USA and Canada, after all they have kept the
> > flag of Sanatan Dharm flying there.
>
> Who knows what may happen.

Many Jyotishis do about many issues most of the time. Here are a few
instances from my Prediction Registry:

http://www.flex.com/~jai/registry/contents.html

I stopped updating the publicly posted registry in 2002

Arindam Banerjee

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to
On Nov 25, 8:23 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <2c68a64b-d9d5-4231-89fb-2794f774d...@h37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
I am not a jyotish, but I do predict that if they take a rail machine
gun and blow up the bows of a small untethered boat in still water
when that gun is placed in the stern, then that boat will accelerate
violating Newton's first law and also his third law of motion.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee.

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 24, 2011, 4:39:41 PM11/24/11
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On Nov 25, 8:23 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <2c68a64b-d9d5-4231-89fb-2794f774d...@h37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
Since then did you sing as I often sing (to myself):

tadbeer pe bigree hui taqdeer buna le taqdeer buna le
aapne pe bharosa hai toe ek daoN laga le
laga le daoN laga le

my not exact trans.:

(Those of failed effort, make your fortune!
If you have the guts make the plunge -
Take your chances!)

expressed in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgwfvDh7cPc
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 24, 2011, 4:43:01 PM11/24/11
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On Nov 25, 8:23 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <2c68a64b-d9d5-4231-89fb-2794f774d...@h37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
Since then, do you sing as I do (to myself):

tadbeer pe bigree hui taqdeer buna le, taqdeer buna le
upne pe bharosa hai toe ek daoN laga le
lage le daoN laga le

my not exact trans.:

Those of failed effort, make your fortune, make your fortune!
If you have the guts make the plunge
Take your chances!

nicely expressed in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgwfvDh7cPc

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti- Hide quoted text -

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 24, 2011, 5:13:11 PM11/24/11
to
In article <5e5f74bf-31f6-4d7c...@r3g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <2c68a64b-d9d5-4231-89fb-2794f774d...@h37g2000pri.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 25, 12:20=3DC2=3DA0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 24, 12:42=3DC2=3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com>=
> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Nov 24, 8:44=3DC2=3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Nov 24, 9:09=3DC2=3DA0am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.c=
> om> wrot=3D
> > > e:
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 24, 6:37=3DC2=3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:19=3DC2=3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpo=
> nd.com> =3D
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:01=3DC2=3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wr=
> ote:
> > > > > > > > > > Normally in India people who seek audience with people in=
> pos=3D
> > > ition of
> > > > > > > > > > your Didi camp outside the gates of their bungalows. Any =
> such=3D
> > > =A0plan
> > > > > > > > > > during your 3 months in India?
> >
> > > > > > > > > No, but my father will do something on the lines you sugges=
> t. =3D
> > > =3DC2=3DA0After
> > > > > > > > > all, he is a social worker who thinks my idea will benefit =
> the =3D
> > > poor
> > > > > > > > > people in rural areas. =3DC2=3DA0He will not be fighting fo=
> r my int=3D
> > > erests, but
> > > > > > > > > for the interests of the neglected masses of very poor peop=
> le w=3D
> > > ithout
> > > > > > > > > water, education, medical facilities, etc etc.
> >
> > > > > > > > How would your idea will benefit poor people in rural areas?
> >
> > > > > > > They will get pure water and electricity with hydrogen coming f=
> rom =3D
> > > the
> > > > > > > hydrogen transmission network.
> >
> > > > > > How do Hydrogen Transmitting Pipes =3DC2=3DA0compare in cost?
> >
> > > > > It is a big exercise, to provide contrasts between planned power
> > > > > generation and power using HTN.
> > > > > Only a pilot project can give realistic cost estimates.
> > > > > On the basis of research papers, one finds that sending same amount=
> of
> > > > > energy using HV trans lines and gas pipes, the costs are roughly th=
> e
> > > > > same so far as installation goes.
> >
> > > > > I believe you
> >
> > > > > > have the patent for manufacturing such pipes.
> >
> > > > > No. I have the patent for a method to distribute power from variabl=
> e
> > > > > power generation sources with respect to time to multiple sinks usi=
> ng
> > > > > the piping of hydrogen.
> > > > > >=3DC2=3DA0In your state Jharkhand
> > > > > > a 100 square kilometres of Rural and Semi Rural area (of your cho=
> ice)
> > > > > > if the State is to implement your scheme, what investment state h=
> as t=3D
> > > o
> > > > > > make?
> >
> > > > In Jharkhand you do not have sea water to convert, so I suppose
> > > > instead of Solar Power you would recommend coal power to produce
> > > > Hydrogen and that having come from fresh water it may not be worth to
> > > > spend on producing fresh water for rural population.
> > > > Mamta Banerjee's state can use sea water and solar power to turn salt=
> y
> > > > or brackish water into hydrogen. No Bengali Scientist in the state to
> > > > back up you.
> >
> > > I don't know what to say, when their top goal is evidently to ignore
> > > my existence upon the planet.
> >
> > > > I doubt if Modi would listen to me. But he should some of the
> > > > champions of Hinduism in USA and Canada, after all they have kept the
> > > > flag of Sanatan Dharm flying there.
> >
> > > Who knows what may happen.
> >
> > Many Jyotishis do about many issues most of the time. Here are a few
> > instances from my Prediction Registry:
> >
> > http://www.flex.com/~jai/registry/contents.html
> >
> > I stopped updating the publicly posted registry in 2002
>
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shant
>
> Since then did you sing as I often sing (to myself):
>
> tadbeer pe bigree hui taqdeer buna le taqdeer buna le
> aapne pe bharosa hai toe ek daoN laga le
> laga le daoN laga le
>
> my not exact trans.:
>
> (Those of failed effort, make your fortune!
> If you have the guts make the plunge -
> Take your chances!)
>
> expressed in:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcgwfvDh7cPc

No I don't, since those of "succeeded effort" also consult Jyotishis.

"Millionaires don't use astrology. Billionaires do." - J. P. Morgan

(John Pierpont Morgan (1837-1914) was one of the most influential and
important financiers in history. Morgan literally saved the United
States from severe depression in 1907.)

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 24, 2011, 5:25:54 PM11/24/11
to
In article <aead0ded-1547-4da6...@u10g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <2c68a64b-d9d5-4231-89fb-2794f774d...@h37g2000pri.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > On Nov 25, 12:20=3DC2=3DA0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 24, 12:42=3DC2=3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com>=
> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Nov 24, 8:44=3DC2=3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Nov 24, 9:09=3DC2=3DA0am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.c=
> om> wrot=3D
> > > e:
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 24, 6:37=3DC2=3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:19=3DC2=3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpo=
> nd.com> =3D
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:01=3DC2=3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wr=
> ote:
> > > > > > > > > > Normally in India people who seek audience with people in=
> pos=3D
> > > ition of
> > > > > > > > > > your Didi camp outside the gates of their bungalows. Any =
> such=3D
> > > =A0plan
> > > > > > > > > > during your 3 months in India?
> >
> > > > > > > > > No, but my father will do something on the lines you sugges=
> t. =3D
> > > =3DC2=3DA0After
> > > > > > > > > all, he is a social worker who thinks my idea will benefit =
> the =3D
> > > poor
> > > > > > > > > people in rural areas. =3DC2=3DA0He will not be fighting fo=
> r my int=3D
> > > erests, but
> > > > > > > > > for the interests of the neglected masses of very poor peop=
> le w=3D
> > > ithout
> > > > > > > > > water, education, medical facilities, etc etc.
> >
> > > > > > > > How would your idea will benefit poor people in rural areas?
> >
> > > > > > > They will get pure water and electricity with hydrogen coming f=
> rom =3D
> > > the
> > > > > > > hydrogen transmission network.
> >
> > > > > > How do Hydrogen Transmitting Pipes =3DC2=3DA0compare in cost?
> >
> > > > > It is a big exercise, to provide contrasts between planned power
> > > > > generation and power using HTN.
> > > > > Only a pilot project can give realistic cost estimates.
> > > > > On the basis of research papers, one finds that sending same amount=
> of
> > > > > energy using HV trans lines and gas pipes, the costs are roughly th=
> e
> > > > > same so far as installation goes.
> >
> > > > > I believe you
> >
> > > > > > have the patent for manufacturing such pipes.
> >
> > > > > No. I have the patent for a method to distribute power from variabl=
> e
> > > > > power generation sources with respect to time to multiple sinks usi=
> ng
> > > > > the piping of hydrogen.
> > > > > >=3DC2=3DA0In your state Jharkhand
> > > > > > a 100 square kilometres of Rural and Semi Rural area (of your cho=
> ice)
> > > > > > if the State is to implement your scheme, what investment state h=
> as t=3D
> > > o
> > > > > > make?
> >
> > > > In Jharkhand you do not have sea water to convert, so I suppose
> > > > instead of Solar Power you would recommend coal power to produce
> > > > Hydrogen and that having come from fresh water it may not be worth to
> > > > spend on producing fresh water for rural population.
> > > > Mamta Banerjee's state can use sea water and solar power to turn salt=
> y
> > > > or brackish water into hydrogen. No Bengali Scientist in the state to
> > > > back up you.
> >
> > > I don't know what to say, when their top goal is evidently to ignore
> > > my existence upon the planet.
> >
> > > > I doubt if Modi would listen to me. But he should some of the
> > > > champions of Hinduism in USA and Canada, after all they have kept the
> > > > flag of Sanatan Dharm flying there.
> >
> > > Who knows what may happen.
> >
> > Many Jyotishis do about many issues most of the time. Here are a few
> > instances from my Prediction Registry:
> >
> > http://www.flex.com/~jai/registry/contents.html
> >
> > I stopped updating the publicly posted registry in 2002
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> Since then, do you sing as I do (to myself):
>
> tadbeer pe bigree hui taqdeer buna le, taqdeer buna le
> upne pe bharosa hai toe ek daoN laga le
> lage le daoN laga le
>
> my not exact trans.:
>
> Those of failed effort, make your fortune, make your fortune!
> If you have the guts make the plunge
> Take your chances!
>
> nicely expressed in:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcgwfvDh7cPc
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee

No I don't, since those of "succeeded effort" also consult Jyotishis.

"Millionaires don't use astrology. Billionaires do." - J. P. Morgan

(John Pierpont Morgan (1837-1914) was one of the most influential and
important financiers in history. Morgan literally saved the United
States from severe depression in 1907.)

By the way, the Predictions Registry is still posted privately.

Myself, Mallu. Yourself?

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Nov 24, 2011, 5:26:44 PM11/24/11
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Shouldn't you be singing Kishore's song, "gaana na aaya, bajaana na
aaya, ..." from Miss Mary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD55cMU3JHY

Pretty much sums up your situation. :)

--
VB, Just itchy
'ome=shanty

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 24, 2011, 5:39:49 PM11/24/11
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The Keral KalluMallu (V. Bhattathiri) tries his best to be a bully --
telling others what and where to post, where to post and where not to
post -- but fails miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his
lap dog Prem Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah"), he is
priming himself for conditions such as stroke and heart disease.

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 24, 2011, 6:43:55 PM11/24/11
to
On Nov 25, 9:13 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <5e5f74bf-31f6-4d7c-a970-e54999b31...@r3g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
What should wannabe trillionaires and quintillionaires do?
>
> (John Pierpont Morgan (1837-1914) was one of the most influential and
> important financiers in history. Morgan literally saved the United
> States from severe depression in 1907.)
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 24, 2011, 6:49:12 PM11/24/11
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On Nov 25, 9:26 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
No, that is forgrettable.

>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD55cMU3JHY
>
> Pretty much sums up your situation. :)
>
> --
> VB, Just itchy

no, just mangy.

> 'ome=shanty- Hide quoted text -

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 24, 2011, 6:26:33 PM11/24/11
to
On Nov 25, 9:25 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <aead0ded-1547-4da6-8bbe-021fca3af...@u10g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
What do effectively trillionaires (Maxwell, Tesla) and effectively
quintillionaires (Newton, da Vinci, Archimedes) do?

> (John Pierpont Morgan (1837-1914) was one of the most influential and
> important financiers in history. Morgan literally saved the United
> States from severe depression in 1907.)

> By the way, the Predictions Registry is still posted privately.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 24, 2011, 6:54:53 PM11/24/11
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On Nov 25, 10:49 am, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
meaning, not just itchy but revolting too.

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 24, 2011, 6:55:55 PM11/24/11
to
In article <566d91b0-d90d-4849...@f30g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <5e5f74bf-31f6-4d7c-a970-e54999b31...@r3g2000pri.googlegroups.=
> com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <2c68a64b-d9d5-4231-89fb-2794f774d...@h37g2000pri.googlegr=
> oups=3D
> > > ..com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > On Nov 25, 12:20=3D3DC2=3D3DA0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote=
> :
> > > > > > On Nov 24, 12:42=3D3DC2=3D3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigp=
> ond.com>=3D
> > > =A0wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 24, 8:44=3D3DC2=3D3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wr=
> ote:
> >
> > > > > > > > On Nov 24, 9:09=3D3DC2=3D3DA0am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@b=
> igpond.c=3D
> > > om> wrot=3D3D
> > > > > e:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 24, 6:37=3D3DC2=3D3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com=
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:19=3D3DC2=3D3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1.=
> ...@bigpo=3D
> > > nd.com> =3D3D
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:01=3D3DC2=3D3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail=
> ..com> wr=3D
> > > ote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Normally in India people who seek audience with peopl=
> e in=3D
> > > =A0pos=3D3D
> > > > > ition of
> > > > > > > > > > > > your Didi camp outside the gates of their bungalows. =
> Any =3D
> > > such=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0plan
> > > > > > > > > > > > during your 3 months in India?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > No, but my father will do something on the lines you su=
> gges=3D
> > > t. =3D3D
> > > > > =3D3DC2=3D3DA0After
> > > > > > > > > > > all, he is a social worker who thinks my idea will bene=
> fit =3D
> > > the =3D3D
> > > > > poor
> > > > > > > > > > > people in rural areas. =3D3DC2=3D3DA0He will not be fig=
> hting fo=3D
> > > r my int=3D3D
> > > > > erests, but
> > > > > > > > > > > for the interests of the neglected masses of very poor =
> peop=3D
> > > le w=3D3D
> > > > > ithout
> > > > > > > > > > > water, education, medical facilities, etc etc.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > How would your idea will benefit poor people in rural are=
> as?
> >
> > > > > > > > > They will get pure water and electricity with hydrogen comi=
> ng f=3D
> > > rom =3D3D
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > hydrogen transmission network.
> >
> > > > > > > > How do Hydrogen Transmitting Pipes =3D3DC2=3D3DA0compare in c=
> ost?
> >
> > > > > > > It is a big exercise, to provide contrasts between planned powe=
> r
> > > > > > > generation and power using HTN.
> > > > > > > Only a pilot project can give realistic cost estimates.
> > > > > > > On the basis of research papers, one finds that sending same am=
> ount=3D
> > > =A0of
> > > > > > > energy using HV trans lines and gas pipes, the costs are roughl=
> y th=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > > same so far as installation goes.
> >
> > > > > > > I believe you
> >
> > > > > > > > have the patent for manufacturing such pipes.
> >
> > > > > > > No. I have the patent for a method to distribute power from var=
> iabl=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > > power generation sources with respect to time to multiple sinks=
> usi=3D
> > > ng
> > > > > > > the piping of hydrogen.
> > > > > > > >=3D3DC2=3D3DA0In your state Jharkhand
> > > > > > > > a 100 square kilometres of Rural and Semi Rural area (of your=
> cho=3D
> > > ice)
> > > > > > > > if the State is to implement your scheme, what investment sta=
> te h=3D
> > > as t=3D3D
> > > > > o
> > > > > > > > make?
> >
> > > > > > In Jharkhand you do not have sea water to convert, so I suppose
> > > > > > instead of Solar Power you would recommend coal power to produce
> > > > > > Hydrogen and that having come from fresh water it may not be wort=
> h to
> > > > > > spend on producing fresh water for rural population.
> > > > > > Mamta Banerjee's state can use sea water and solar power to turn =
> salt=3D
> > > y
> > > > > > or brackish water into hydrogen. No Bengali Scientist in the stat=
> e to
> > > > > > back up you.
> >
> > > > > I don't know what to say, when their top goal is evidently to ignor=
> e
> > > > > my existence upon the planet.
> >
> > > > > > I doubt if Modi would listen to me. But he should some of the
> > > > > > champions of Hinduism in USA and Canada, after all they have kept=
> the
> > > > > > flag of Sanatan Dharm flying there.
> >
> > > > > Who knows what may happen.
> >
> > > > Many Jyotishis do about many issues most of the time. Here are a few
> > > > instances from my Prediction Registry:
> >
> > > >http://www.flex.com/~jai/registry/contents.html
> >
> > > > I stopped updating the publicly posted registry in 2002
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shant
> >
> > > Since then did you sing as I often sing (to myself):
> >
> > > tadbeer pe bigree hui taqdeer buna le taqdeer buna le
> > > aapne pe bharosa hai toe ek daoN laga le
> > > laga le daoN laga le
> >
> > > my not exact trans.:
> >
> > > (Those of failed effort, make your fortune!
> > > If you have the guts make the plunge -
> > > Take your chances!)
> >
> > > expressed in:
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DcgwfvDh7cPc
> >
> > No I don't, since those of "succeeded effort" also consult Jyotishis.
> >
> > "Millionaires don't use astrology. Billionaires do." - J. P. Morgan
> >
> > (John Pierpont Morgan (1837-1914) was one of the most influential and
> > important financiers in history. Morgan literally saved the United
> > States from severe depression in 1907.)
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> What should wannabe trillionaires and quintillionaires do?

I knew it: you are looking ahead, what with your invention, theories
and all! Well, they need to use Jyotish more frequently.

Arindam Banerjee

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On Nov 25, 10:55 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <566d91b0-d90d-4849-89db-722e87979...@f30g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>  Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
Only time I used jyotish, was with some computer program back in India
in 1985. Program said my proper profession should be legal! Wow.
Well, maybe it was right. After all, my theories deal with changing
the perceived laws of nature - something super-legal that is.

Myself, Mallu. Yourself?

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Nov 24, 2011, 7:03:30 PM11/24/11
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Did I say that I had solicited a response, bloody clod? But, it is a
real treat to see Lady Kaka (aka the Muckeraj) actually string together
two original sentences (unfortunately in English, and not Sanskrit) to
reams of your gobbledegook and actually string you along. The weather
must be about ready to change because no cut-and-paste was involved in
Lady Kaka's responses. Nice! I can hardly wait for the fallout. Did Lady
Kaka's replies trigger off dollar signs in Barty Bow Bow's eyes?

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 24, 2011, 7:09:10 PM11/24/11
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DMJoshi

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Nov 25, 2011, 1:02:24 AM11/25/11
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On Nov 24, 10:26 pm, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
ye na aaya vo na aaya.

Is it Jagdish with Kishor Kumar?

BTW Sad Monkey posted you over in flat 13 minutes.

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 25, 2011, 1:19:06 AM11/25/11
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In article <5d794581-d34d-4a98...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > The Keral KalluMallu (V. Bhattathiri) tries his best to be a bully --
> > telling others what and where to post, where to post and where not to
> > post -- but fails miserably.
>
> Poor loser. He does not deserve pity, but what to do, alas for the
> kindness of my soft heart, that is what he gets.
> He has been badly brought up, evidently. So the fault is not entirely
> his. But he could try to be less of an abusive asshole.

He is intensifying, on the contrary. But that is going to be temporary.

> > He is really stressed out,
>
> Is he?. More like, he is out to prove something about his loyalty to
> some cynical, self-serving cause.

That cause being self-aggrandizement, surely..

> > and like his
> > lap dog Prem Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah"),
>
> Here we disagree. It is this kallumallu who is the rabid rajah's
> kutta. Poetically, the kallumallu is a mangy, incontent cur
> permanently wedded to a large diaper.

Perhaps they switch roles. P. Thomas (Rajah) serves KalluMallu
excerpts from posts of those that the latter claims to have filtered
out so that his master can try to post follow-ups against them.

> > he is
> > priming himself for conditions such as stroke and heart disease.
>
> I hope not. May his foul presence serve long as a standard for
> foulness, against which my sweetness and light will be more favourably
> measured.

As the stink of dog doo-doo (kuttay kee tattee) in the park provides
a contrast to the scent of flowers?

DMJoshi

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Nov 25, 2011, 3:43:08 AM11/25/11
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What puzzles me about you is that you want to talk to someone who has
run you down bringing your father in the frame, while refuse to talk
to some one who at one point you declared that he backs you in binning
Einstein.

Mamta Banerjee can appoint you as Vice Chancellor of any West Bengal
University and your father may not have to camp at the gate of her
Bungalow, but it will be impossible for her to put aside any money for
your pilot project either for Hydrogen and all that or for Internal
Force Machine UNLESS some established Scientists of West Bengal are in
agreement with you.

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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In article <4b593331-3ec6-472a...@x29g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <566d91b0-d90d-4849-89db-722e87979...@f30g2000pri.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <5e5f74bf-31f6-4d7c-a970-e54999b31...@r3g2000pri.googlegro=
> ups.=3D
> > > com>,
> > > > =3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > > > In article <2c68a64b-d9d5-4231-89fb-2794f774d...@h37g2000pri.goog=
> legr=3D
> > > oups=3D3D
> > > > > ..com>,
> > > > > > =3D3DA0Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 25, 12:20=3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.co=
> m> wrote=3D
> > > :
> > > > > > > > On Nov 24, 12:42=3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1=
> ....@bigp=3D
> > > ond.com>=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 24, 8:44=3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail=
> ..com> wr=3D
> > > ote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 24, 9:09=3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0am, Arindam Banerjee <ad=
> da1...@b=3D
> > > igpond.c=3D3D
> > > > > om> wrot=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > e:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 24, 6:37=3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@g=
> mail.com=3D
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:19=3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0pm, Arindam Banerjee=
> <adda1.=3D
> > > ...@bigpo=3D3D
> > > > > nd.com> =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 9:01=3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0pm, DMJoshi <josh.=
> ...@gmail=3D
> > > ..com> wr=3D3D
> > > > > ote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally in India people who seek audience with p=
> eopl=3D
> > > e in=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0pos=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ition of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your Didi camp outside the gates of their bungalo=
> ws. =3D
> > > Any =3D3D
> > > > > such=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > =3D3DA0plan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during your 3 months in India?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > No, but my father will do something on the lines yo=
> u su=3D
> > > gges=3D3D
> > > > > t. =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > =3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0After
> > > > > > > > > > > > > all, he is a social worker who thinks my idea will =
> bene=3D
> > > fit =3D3D
> > > > > the =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > poor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > people in rural areas. =3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0He will no=
> t be fig=3D
> > > hting fo=3D3D
> > > > > r my int=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > erests, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for the interests of the neglected masses of very p=
> oor =3D
> > > peop=3D3D
> > > > > le w=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ithout
> > > > > > > > > > > > > water, education, medical facilities, etc etc.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > How would your idea will benefit poor people in rural=
> are=3D
> > > as?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > They will get pure water and electricity with hydrogen =
> comi=3D
> > > ng f=3D3D
> > > > > rom =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > hydrogen transmission network.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > How do Hydrogen Transmitting Pipes =3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0comp=
> are in c=3D
> > > ost?
> >
> > > > > > > > > It is a big exercise, to provide contrasts between planned =
> powe=3D
> > > r
> > > > > > > > > generation and power using HTN.
> > > > > > > > > Only a pilot project can give realistic cost estimates.
> > > > > > > > > On the basis of research papers, one finds that sending sam=
> e am=3D
> > > ount=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0of
> > > > > > > > > energy using HV trans lines and gas pipes, the costs are ro=
> ughl=3D
> > > y th=3D3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > same so far as installation goes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > I believe you
> >
> > > > > > > > > > have the patent for manufacturing such pipes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > No. I have the patent for a method to distribute power from=
> var=3D
> > > iabl=3D3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > power generation sources with respect to time to multiple s=
> inks=3D
> > > =A0usi=3D3D
> > > > > ng
> > > > > > > > > the piping of hydrogen.
> > > > > > > > > >=3D3D3DC2=3D3D3DA0In your state Jharkhand
> > > > > > > > > > a 100 square kilometres of Rural and Semi Rural area (of =
> your=3D
> > > =A0cho=3D3D
> > > > > ice)
> > > > > > > > > > if the State is to implement your scheme, what investment=
> sta=3D
> > > te h=3D3D
> > > > > as t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > o
> > > > > > > > > > make?
> >
> > > > > > > > In Jharkhand you do not have sea water to convert, so I suppo=
> se
> > > > > > > > instead of Solar Power you would recommend coal power to prod=
> uce
> > > > > > > > Hydrogen and that having come from fresh water it may not be =
> wort=3D
> > > h to
> > > > > > > > spend on producing fresh water for rural population.
> > > > > > > > Mamta Banerjee's state can use sea water and solar power to t=
> urn =3D
> > > salt=3D3D
> > > > > y
> > > > > > > > or brackish water into hydrogen. No Bengali Scientist in the =
> stat=3D
> > > e to
> > > > > > > > back up you.
> >
> > > > > > > I don't know what to say, when their top goal is evidently to i=
> gnor=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > > my existence upon the planet.
> >
> > > > > > > > I doubt if Modi would listen to me. But he should some of the
> > > > > > > > champions of Hinduism in USA and Canada, after all they have =
> kept=3D
> > > =A0the
> > > > > > > > flag of Sanatan Dharm flying there.
> >
> > > > > > > Who knows what may happen.
> >
> > > > > > Many Jyotishis do about many issues most of the time. Here are a =
> few
> > > > > > instances from my Prediction Registry:
> >
> > > > > >http://www.flex.com/~jai/registry/contents.html
> >
> > > > > > I stopped updating the publicly posted registry in 2002
> >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shant
> >
> > > > > Since then did you sing as I often sing (to myself):
> >
> > > > > tadbeer pe bigree hui taqdeer buna le taqdeer buna le
> > > > > aapne pe bharosa hai toe ek daoN laga le
> > > > > laga le daoN laga le
> >
> > > > > my not exact trans.:
> >
> > > > > (Those of failed effort, make your fortune!
> > > > > If you have the guts make the plunge -
> > > > > Take your chances!)
> >
> > > > > expressed in:
> >
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D3DcgwfvDh7cPc
> >
> > > > No I don't, since those of "succeeded effort" also consult Jyotishis.
> >
> > > > "Millionaires don't use astrology. Billionaires do." - J. P. Morgan
> >
> > > > (John Pierpont Morgan (1837-1914) was one of the most influential and
> > > > important financiers in history. Morgan literally saved the United
> > > > States from severe depression in 1907.)
> >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> >
> > > What should wannabe trillionaires and quintillionaires do?
> >
> > I knew it: you are looking ahead, what with your invention, theories
> > and all! Well, they need to use Jyotish more frequently.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> Only time I used jyotish, was with some computer program back in India
> in 1985. Program said my proper profession should be legal! Wow.
> Well, maybe it was right. After all, my theories deal with changing
> the perceived laws of nature - something super-legal that is.

Computer software excels in performing calculations and saving time
but interpreting them? Forget it, except for entertainment. But I
don't know why someone has not incorporated all the rules of
interpretation into a program.

Durba Banerjee

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I consider myself a polite person, and so, encourage politeness in
everyone.
When sometimes talks to me politely and helpfully, I reply in kind,
not bearing in mind past grudges or whatever. Let bygones be
bygones. "To err is human; to forgive, Divine." I aspire to
divinity, of course.
When people make unprovoked abusive attacks upon me, behave stupidly
deliberately or otherwise, I reserve the right of amused retaliation
or indifference as may suit the case.

> Mamta Banerjee can appoint you as Vice Chancellor of any West Bengal
> University

She can do anything. When she or her followers do not even bother to
reply to what I write to her and them, then I understand in what
esteem I am being held in WB/India. How on earth can I expect that I
of all people will be appointed to some high post, when my existence
is not even recognised?

and your father may not have to camp at the gate of her
> Bungalow, but it will be impossible for her to put aside any money for
> your pilot project either for Hydrogen and all that or for Internal
> Force Machine UNLESS some established Scientists of West Bengal are in
> agreement with you.

Since they won't be in agreement with me, for whatever reasons, as
they on the face of all evidence don't want to accept my existence on
the planet, I have asked my father not to bother, but he won't
listen. So when I go to India, it will be to enjoy myself with my
family, relatives and friends as much as possible. Visit nice places,
etc.

Established scientists do agree with me, or at least do not dare to
publicly disagree. If despite that, and my public defence of all my
work, I am ignored, then all I can say is that may God help India and
Indians, not that this spiritual logic will cut much ice with the
cowardly dishonest atheistic corrupt seculars in charge of all
matters. But then, I treat them with the same contempt with which they
have treated me.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Nov 26, 2011, 1:13:38 AM11/26/11
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The Keral KalluMallu (V. Bhattathiri) tries his best to be a bully --
telling others what and where to post, where to post and where not to
post, deliberately publishing lies about others and stalking them --
but fails miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his lap dog
Prem Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah"), he is priming
himself for conditions such as stroke and heart disease.

Arindam Banerjee

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Nov 26, 2011, 4:04:55 AM11/26/11
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>
> Computer software excels in performing calculations and saving time
> but interpreting them?

Yes, we do need very sophisticated programs to interpret results,
mainly because there are so many possible interpretations depending
upon applications.

Forget it, except for entertainment. But I
> don't know why someone has not incorporated all the rules of
> interpretation into a program.

Apart from rules, you have preferences, sequencing, different goals
varying with options, etc. and these make programming quite
complicated. I was much into this sort of thing, once upon a time,
when I was doing discrete-event stochastic modelling of complex call
centre call routing algorithms, with a view to optimise performances.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

DMJoshi

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Nov 26, 2011, 6:48:49 AM11/26/11
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On Nov 25, 10:07 pm, Durba Banerjee <durbabanerjee.ri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
You fell short defending your formula.

6 days back Zinnic asked you

"Just send me some of the k factor you use in your formula
e=0.5mvvN(N-k). That should raise anything. Even for use in the
formula kN=V 1a gRa."

and you replied to him

"Spoken like a true moron, above. "

I take that as a reply from someone who is incompetent and angry when
that incompetence is exposed to every one, not of a polite person with
any stretch of imagination

Arindam Banerjee

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I cannot satisfy every fool or rascal who makes stupid comments. I
would be an even greater fool than those fools if I so tried. I have
found that you are incompetent to decide who is worthy or not in
scientific matters, so your opinion on such subjects is irrelevant.



> > I am ignored, then all I can say is that may God help India and
> > Indians, not that this spiritual logic will cut much ice with the
> > cowardly dishonest atheistic corrupt seculars in charge of all
> > matters. But then, I treat them with the same contempt with which they
> > have treated me.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

DMJoshi

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Nov 26, 2011, 10:43:26 AM11/26/11
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Unless you proceed to prove that what Zinnic asked was stupid, your
response was a bravado to cover up what to any reader was obvious.

> I
> would be an even greater fool than those fools if I so tried.  I have
> found that you are incompetent to decide who is worthy or not in
> scientific matters, so your opinion on such subjects is irrelevant.

You have found anybody on SCI that has backed you up besides jBm?

Jos Bergervoet

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Nov 26, 2011, 11:14:52 AM11/26/11
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On 11/26/2011 4:43 PM, DMJoshi wrote:
> On Nov 26, 12:11 pm, Arindam Banerjee<adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
..
...
>> would be an even greater fool than those fools if I so tried. I have
>> found that you are incompetent to decide who is worthy or not in
>> scientific matters, so your opinion on such subjects is irrelevant.
>
> You have found anybody on SCI that has backed you up besides jBm?

What is there to backup? As far as I know Arindam just claims
that the rails of a railgun do not receive backward recoil
force! There must be people willing to admit that those rails
only feel sideward force, don't you think?

--
Jos
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