Tip for GPS users
Tom Potter
1. Before you travel to a new place,
use Google Earth to mark places of interest,
like your hotel, local sites, Taco Bells, etc.
You can use wikimapia, http://wikimapia.org
which already has over a million places tagged,
to quickly find almost all points of interest anywhere in the world.
If you load wikimapia from Google Earth with the "ge.kml" file,
you retain all of the functionality of Google Earth.
2. Save the markup as a KML file.
3. Use the free program "gpsbabel"
to convert the GoogleEarth KML file to a Garmin GBD file,
or the file type accepted by your GPS receiver.
4. Use another free program "g7towin"
to copy the GBD file to your GPS as waypoints.
5. If you have a map of the place,
also copy it to your GPS receiver.
Then after you get to the new place
and obtain a fix with your GPS receiver,
you can display the "nearest waypoints"
and navigate to the places of interest.
This will keep you from being overcharged by taxi drivers,
and it will alert you to places you want to see that are nearby.
I have been to many places, and didn't know until later,
that a place I wanted to see was near where I was.
I trust that Sam Wormley and Neil Ashby
will find this tip useful.
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Sam Wormley
> Here is a tip for GPS users.
>
> 1. Before you travel to a new place,
> use Google Earth to mark places of interest,
> like your hotel, local sites, Taco Bells, etc.
>
> You can use wikimapia, http://wikimapia.org
> which already has over a million places tagged,
> to quickly find almost all points of interest anywhere in the world.
>
> If you load wikimapia from Google Earth with the "ge.kml" file,
> you retain all of the functionality of Google Earth.
>
> 2. Save the markup as a KML file.
>
> 3. Use the free program "gpsbabel"
> to convert the GoogleEarth KML file to a Garmin GBD file,
> or the file type accepted by your GPS receiver.
Since there are several hundred manufactures of GPS receivers
besides Garmin, the user may need other approaches to enter
waypoint into the GPS receivers.
See: http://edu-observatory.org/maps/waypoints.html
tj Frazir
Sorcerer
"Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Here is a tip for GPS users.
|
| 1. Before you travel to a new place,
| use Google Earth to mark places of interest,
| like your hotel, local sites, Taco Bells, etc.
|
| You can use wikimapia, http://wikimapia.org
| which already has over a million places tagged,
| to quickly find almost all points of interest anywhere in the world.
Has the same outdated scratched photographs as GE.
Tom Potter
"Sorcerer" <Headm...@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:453984bf$0$19620$8826...@free.teranews.com...
> | Here is a tip for GPS users.
> |
> | 1. Before you travel to a new place,
> | use Google Earth to mark places of interest,
> | like your hotel, local sites, Taco Bells, etc.
> |
> | You can use wikimapia, http://wikimapia.org
> | which already has over a million places tagged,
> | to quickly find almost all points of interest anywhere in the world.
>
> Has the same outdated scratched photographs as GE.
"Sorcerer" might be interested to know,
that wikimapia is updated on a daily basis,
by million of users, just as wikipedia is.
For example, I recently tagged all of the
Ming Tombs in wikimapia.
Tom Potter
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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> Tom Potter wrote:
>> Here is a tip for GPS users.
>>
>> 1. Before you travel to a new place,
>> use Google Earth to mark places of interest,
>> like your hotel, local sites, Taco Bells, etc.
>>
>> You can use wikimapia, http://wikimapia.org
>> which already has over a million places tagged,
>> to quickly find almost all points of interest anywhere in the world.
>>
>> If you load wikimapia from Google Earth with the "ge.kml" file,
>> you retain all of the functionality of Google Earth.
>>
>> 2. Save the markup as a KML file.
>>
>> 3. Use the free program "gpsbabel"
>> to convert the GoogleEarth KML file to a Garmin GBD file,
>> or the file type accepted by your GPS receiver.
>
> Since there are several hundred manufactures of GPS receivers
> besides Garmin, the user may need other approaches to enter
> waypoint into the GPS receivers.
>
> See: http://edu-observatory.org/maps/waypoints.html
Considering that wikimapia, http://wikimapia.org
has almost all of the places of general interest in the world already
tagged,
and considering that it is easy to find and tag
a user's unique places of interest using Google Earth,
and considering that it is search for and tag
classes of waypoints and addresses using Google Earth,
and considering that "gpsbabel" is able to convert
the tags in the kml file that is saved by Google Earth
to almost all GPS receiver formats,
and considering that the "gpsbabel" format converter
is extensible, and can be easily adapted for odd ball formats,
I suggest that the best way to go is:
1. Use wikimapia to find waypoints of general interest.
( Tourist spots, landmarks, Taco bells, etc.)
2, Mark these waypoints in Google Earth.
3. Use Google Earth to find and tag
waypoints of personal interest (Home, friends, etc.).
4. Use the FREE program "gpsbabel"
to convert the Google waypoint file
to a format accepted by your GPS receiver.
5. Use the FREE program "g7towin"
to copy the GBD file to your GPS as waypoints.
Some of the formats handled by "gpsbabel",
and discussed in detail in their instruction manual include:
It isn't necessary to understand or study the formats
in order to use the program,
but the "gpsbabel" manual makes for good reading,
if one has a few extra neurons they are not using.
In other words, don't sweat the details.
(A mind is a terrible thing to waste.)
?Character Separated Values (xcsv)
All database fields on one tab-separated line (tabsep)
Brauniger IQ Series Barograph Download (baroiq)
Cambridge/Winpilot glider software (cambridge)
CarteSurTable data file (cst)
Cetus for Palm/OS (cetus)
CoastalExplorer XML (coastexp)
Comma separated values (csv)
CompeGPS data files (.wpt/.trk/.rte) (compegps)
CoPilot Flight Planner for Palm/OS (copilot)
cotoGPS for Palm/OS (coto)
Custom "Everything" Style (custom)
Dell Axim Navigation System (.gpb) file format (axim_gpb)
DeLorme .an1 (drawing) file (an1)
DeLorme GPL (gpl)
DeLorme Street Atlas Plus (saplus)
DeLorme Street Atlas Route (saroute)
DeLorme XMap HH Native .WPT (xmap)
DeLorme XMap/SAHH 2006 Native .TXT (xmap2006)
DeLorme XMat HH Street Atlas USA .WPT (PPC) (xmapwpt)
Digital Mapping TrackLogs (.trl) (dmtlog)
EasyGPS binary format (easygps)
FAI/IGC Flight Recorder Data Format (igc)
Franson GPSGate Simulation (gpssim)
Fugawi (fugawi)
Garmin 301 Custom position and heartrate (garmin301)
Garmin Logbook XML (glogbook)
Garmin MapSource - gdb (gdb)
Garmin MapSource - mps (mapsource)
Garmin MapSource - txt (tab delimited) (garmin_txt)
Garmin PCX5 (pcx)
Garmin POI database (garmin_poi)
Garmin serial/USB protocol (garmin)
Garmin Training Centerxml (gtrnctr)
Geocaching.com .loc (geo)
GeocachingDB for Palm/OS (gcdb)
GEOnet Names Server (GNS) (geonet)
GeoNiche .pdb (geoniche)
Google Earth (Keyhole) Markup Language (kml)
Google Maps XML (google)
GpilotS (gpilots)
GPS TrackMaker (gtm)
GPSBabel arc filter file (arc)
GpsDrive Format (gpsdrive)
GpsDrive Format for Tracks (gpsdrivetrack)
GPSman (gpsman)
GPSPilot Tracker for Palm/OS (gpspilot)
gpsutil (gpsutil)
GPX XML (gpx)
HikeTech (hiketech)
Holux (gm-100) .wpo Format (holux)
HSA Endeavour Navigator export File (hsandv)
HTML Output (html)
IGN Rando track files (ignrando)
Kartex 5 Track File (ktf2)
Kartex 5 Waypoint File (kwf2)
KuDaTa PsiTrex text (psitrex)
Lowrance USR (lowranceusr)
Magellan Explorist Geocaching (maggeo)
Magellan Mapsend (mapsend)
Magellan NAV Companion for Palm/OS (magnav)
Magellan SD files (as for eXplorist) (magellanx)
Magellan SD files (as for Meridian) (magellan)
Magellan serial protocol (magellan)
Map&Guide 'TourExchangeFormat' XML (tef)
Map&Guide to Palm/OS exported files (.pdb) (mag_pdb)
Mapopolis.com Mapconverter CSV (mapconverter)
MapTech Exchange Format (mxf)
Microsoft AutoRoute 2002 (pin/route reader) (msroute)
Microsoft Streets and Trips (pin/route reader) (msroute)
Microsoft Streets and Trips 2002-2006 (s_and_t)
Motorrad Routenplaner (Map&Guide) .bcr files (bcr)
MS PocketStreets 2002 Pushpin (psp)
National Geographic Topo .tpg (waypoints) (tpg)
National Geographic Topo 2.x .tpo (tpo2)
National Geographic Topo 3.x .tpo (tpo3)
Navicache.com XML (navicache)
Navigon Mobile Navigator .rte files (nmn4)
Navitrak DNA marker format (dna)
NetStumbler Summary File (text) (netstumbler)
NIMA/GNIS Geographic Names File (nima)
NMEA 0183 sentences (nmea)
OziExplorer (ozi)
PalmDoc Output (palmdoc)
PathAway Database for Palm/OS (pathaway)
Quovadis (quovadis)
See You flight analysis data (cup)
Sportsim track files (part of zipped .ssz files) (sportsim)
Suunto Trek Manager (STM) .sdf files (stmsdf)
Suunto Trek Manager (STM) WaypointPlus files (stmwpp)
Tab delimited fields useful for OpenOffice, Ploticus etc. (openoffice)
Textual Output (text)
TomTom POI file (tomtom)
TopoMapPro Places File (tmpro)
U.S. Census Bureau Tiger Mapping Service (tiger)
Universal csv with field structure in first line (unicsv)
Vcard Output (for iPod) (vcard)
Vito Navigator II tracks (vitosmt)
WiFiFoFum 2.0 for PocketPC XML (wfff)
Wintec WBT-100/200 Binary file format (wbt-bin)
Wintec WBT-100/200 GPS Download (wbt)
Yahoo Geocode API data (yahoo)
Sam Wormley
Of the many hundreds of waypoints I use in GPSR navigation, most
all are not found in the data bases you advocate.
Tom Potter
No doubt, wikimapia and Google Earth
are not the best way to tag things like
buoys, pumping stations, transmission line towers, and such,
but I dare say that they are the most useful way for
most folks to find, generate and use waypoints.
My nephew is one of the key personal with Tadpole,
whom General Dynamics just bought out
for its' expertise in the real time use of GPS,
so maybe I'll pass along some of my GPS tips to him. ;-))
(Just joking, my nephew, GD, and Tadpole are very sophisticated
in the use of the GPS system.)
Speaking of real time use of GPS,
the new Google Earth allows time stamping of waypoints,
so that one can generate "movies" of their travels.
Perhaps this will also be used to make
"movies" of how a waypoint changes in time.
The thought occurs to me
that this would be a good way for companies and governments
to find good project managers, and spot urgent projects.
--. .- -... -. .. .-- @.-----.DOT.-- Helmut Wabnig
wrote:
>.................
snip lots
>
>I have been to many places, and didn't know until later,
>that a place I wanted to see was near where I was.
>
>I trust that Sam Wormley and Neil Ashby
>will find this tip useful.
And don't travel too fast,
the relativistic corrections might degrade your GPS performance....
w.
Sorcerer
"Helmut Wabnig" <.... --. .- -... -. .. .-- @ .- --- -. DOT .- -> wrote in
message news:onlkj2h8rittr0ed5...@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:12:08 +0800, "Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com>
| wrote:
|
| >.................
| snip lots
Ok
--. .- -... -. .. .-- @.-----.DOT.-- Helmut Wabnig
I forgot that :-)
w.
hanson
Andro "Sorcerer" <Headm...@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
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> Ok
>
[hanson]
ahahahaha.....what you mean, Andro?... "snip lots"?... why? ...is it
because the Wabnigger spreading his Anti-Semitism now with the
help of GPS and its users?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
ahaha... ahahanson
hanson
"Helmut Wabnig" <.... .-- @ .- --- -. DOT .- -> is wabniggering in
news:m8okj2thvavu04eic...@4ax.com... to
> to himself On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:23:23 +0200, Helmut Wabnig
<.... --. .- > -... -. .. .-- @ .- --- -. DOT .- -> as he wrote to:
>
> "Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com>
>>snip lots
>>>
>>>I have been to many places, and didn't know until later,
>>>that a place I wanted to see was near where I was.
>>>I trust that Sam Wormley and Neil Ashby
>>>will find this tip useful.
>>
>>And don't travel too fast,
>>the relativistic corrections might degrade your GPS performance....
>>
>>w.
> I forgot that :-)
>
> w.
Wabbie, are you wabniggering to and about yourself now, or are you
obsessed with yourself and your Anti-Semitism as bad as you are here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
ahahaha.... ahahahanson
Sorcerer
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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|
| Andro "Sorcerer" <Headm...@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
| news:XKs_g.7875$3D1....@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| >
| > "Helmut Wabnig" <.... --. .- -... -. .. .-- @ .- --- -. DOT .- -> wrote
in
| > message news:onlkj2h8rittr0ed5...@4ax.com...
| > | On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:12:08 +0800, "Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com>
| > | wrote:
| > |
| > | >.................
| > | snip lots
| >
| [Andro]
| > Ok
| >
| [hanson]
| ahahahaha.....what you mean, Andro?... "snip lots"?... why?
Ask wabnigger, he wrote it in reply to Potty and I did as he asked.
Usenet is a platform for bigotted soliloquy, perhaps they are hoping
one of their one-liner witticisms will somehow be preserved in
perpetuity.
...is it
| because the Wabnigger spreading his Anti-Semitism now with the
| help of GPS and its users?
I didn't read it <shrug>, wabnigger is an ignoramus.
| http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
| ahaha... ahahanson
|
|
|
|
--. .- -... -. .. .-- @.-----.DOT.-- Helmut Wabnig
<Headm...@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote:
>
>"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
>news:Mvt_g.1617$hK.1468@trnddc02...
>|
>| Andro "Sorcerer" <Headm...@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
>| news:XKs_g.7875$3D1....@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>| >
...
>| >
>| [hanson]
>| ahahahaha.....what you mean, Andro?... "snip lots"?... why?
>
> ...is it
>| because the Wabnigger spreading his Anti-Semitism now with the
>| help of GPS and its users?
Nice, those dingleberry sniffing doggies hanson and Sorcerer
licking each other. What a nice couple. They should marry.
Very interesting indeed, how notorious antisemite hanson 's changing
to a philosemite on demand. Not very convincing, though.
Interesting how hanson reads antisemitism out of my posts,
because he is such a fanatic Jew hater that he alleges hate to
everybody.
Relativity is wrong because Einstein was Jewish, according to hanson,
and relativity is wrong because it contradicts Sorcerer's daily
experience, according to Sorcerer, and because Einstein divided by
zero, also according to Sorcerer.
w.
hanson
Racist, Bigot & Judeo-Nazi Wabnig, from Hitler's Birthplace, lies!
"Helmut Wabnig" the Anti-Semite in drag <.... --..-- @ .- --- .- ->
is wabniggering grievously in his phony white-wash attempt as he wrote
in message news:l7vkj21hr4hf5mook...@4ax.com...
when in effect Wabnigger promotes any and all kinds of Anti-Semitism,
incessantly and continuously, as instructed by his idol and role model Ariel
Sharon. To deny his true intents and purposes Wabnigger snipped the
post that exposed him as a hate-monger, bigot & racist. Here it is again:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
>
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:34:46 GMT, "Sorcerer"
> <Headm...@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote:
>>"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
>>news:Mvt_g.1617$hK.1468@trnddc02...
Andro "Sorcerer" <Headm...@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
>>| news:XKs_g.7875$3D1....@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> ...
| > | >.................
| > | snip lots
>>| >
[hanson]
>>| ahahahaha.....what you mean, Andro?... "snip lots"?... why?
>>| ...is it because the Wabnigger spreading his Anti-Semitism
>>| now with the help of GPS and its users?
>
[Wabnigger]
> Nice, those dingleberry sniffing doggies hanson and Sorcerer
> licking each other. What a nice couple. They should marry.
>
[hanson]
Wabnigger, the racist & bigot and pervert, is exhibiting now
notions of his bestiality & homosexuality. Wabnigger ist Ein Schwein.
>
[Wabnigger]
> Very interesting indeed, how notorious antisemite hanson 's
> changing to a philosemite on demand. Not very convincing, though.
> Interesting how hanson reads antisemitism out of my posts,
> because he is such a fanatic Jew hater that he alleges hate to
> everybody.
>
[hanson]
ahahahahaha... Now, where do/did I ever say that I hate Jews or
"everbody"? Wabnigger just got desperate now as he is being
caught with his pants down as he is trying to wipe himself free &
clean of his attempts to foment and spread Anti Semitism and
Jew-hate in his, Wabnigger's, continous campagne to
*** to increase anti-semitism *** as he, Wabnigger, follows and
obeys the example of his role model Ariel Sharon in post:
| http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
wherein Sharon says: "We are Judeo-Nazis"... which was the code,
the "Go"-command for Wabnigger "to increase anti-semitism"
>
[Wabnigger]
> Relativity is wrong because Einstein was Jewish, according to hanson,
>
[hanson]
Wabnigger lies!. I never said anything like that. Wabnigger invented
this lie for his own goal and purposes the create and foment Anti-
Semitism. See here how and why Helmut Wabnig lies like he does:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
where it says: "the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it"
which is why and how Wabnigger just invented the above lie!
>
[Wabnigger]
> and relativity is wrong because it contradicts Sorcerer's daily
> experience, according to Sorcerer, and because Einstein divided by
> zero, also according to Sorcerer.
> w.
[hanson]
Wabnigger's nefarious bidding which clearly comes out of his
obsession with Zionism is that Wabnigger uses it here to denigrate
other peoples view, like he does Androcles' work above.
No wonder Judeo-Nazi Wabnigger trashes so wildly and snipped
the url, the link, that documents Wabnigger's MO and motivation:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
So much for the sanctimonious ways of Helmut Wabnig... ahahaha...
AHAHAHA... ahahahanson
Tom Potter
"Helmut Wabnig" <.... --. .- -... -. .. .-- @ .- --- -. DOT .- -> wrote in
>
> Relativity is wrong because Einstein was Jewish, according to hanson,
> and relativity is wrong because it contradicts Sorcerer's daily
> experience, according to Sorcerer, and because Einstein divided by
> zero, also according to Sorcerer.
It is interesting to see that "Helmut Wabnig"
blames all Jews for Einstein's follies.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste,
and the fact that General Relativity
wastes billions of the taxpayers dollars every year,
and waste the minds of thousands of innocent young dupes,
should not be blamed on Jews.
The blame should be placed where it belongs, on Einstein,
and on the GTR welfare mothers on the taxpayer dole,
who con the public into believing
that they are privy to powerful, useful knowledge.
Sorcerer
| After Maxwell's model
| there were immediate and rapid advances
| in chemistry, electricity, etc.
How the fuck does Maxwell take Faraday's, Ampere's and Gauss's
discoveries and get any credit for applying that to his own worthless
aether?
After FARADAY's model there were immediate and rapid advances
in electricity, etc.
--. .- -... -. .. .-- @.-----.DOT.-- Helmut Wabnig
wrote:
>
>"Helmut Wabnig" <.... --. .- -... -. .. .-- @ .- --- -. DOT .- -> wrote in
>message news:l7vkj21hr4hf5mook...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Relativity is wrong because Einstein was Jewish, according to hanson,
>> and relativity is wrong because it contradicts Sorcerer's daily
>> experience, according to Sorcerer, and because Einstein divided by
>> zero, also according to Sorcerer.
>
>It is interesting to see that "Helmut Wabnig"
>blames all Jews for Einstein's follies.
>....
Learn to read, Tom.
regards,
w.
hanson
(2) Wabnigger learn not to blame your wife and kids for your lies.
(3) Wabnigger learn not to generate & spread Anti-Semitism.
summa summarum:
Wabnigger learn not to be a embarrassment to Jews.
refs:
(1) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/fe5f68cc17b81391
(2) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/27cd24eead62fd2f
(3) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/be8452e683364a49
>
"Helmut Wabnig", the Judeo-Nazi wanna-be
<.... --. .- -... -. .. .-- @ .- --- -. DOT .- -> wabniggered in message
news:91umj2luiromggint...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:41:55 +0800, "Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>"Helmut Wabnig" <.... --. .- -... -. .. .-- @ .- --- -. DOT .- -> wrote in
>>message news:l7vkj21hr4hf5mook...@4ax.com...
>>> Relativity is wrong because Einstein was Jewish, according to hanson,
>>> and relativity is wrong because it contradicts Sorcerer's daily
>>> experience, according to Sorcerer, and because Einstein divided by
>>> zero, also according to Sorcerer.
>>
>>It is interesting to see that "Helmut Wabnig"
>>blames all Jews for Einstein's follies.
>>....
Tom, what do you mean... ... Wabnigger is worse. He lies &
Wabnigger blames his wife & kids for his own fuck-ups (2).
>
[Wabnigger to Tom]
> Learn to read, Tom.
> regards,
> w.
>
Wabnigger, YOU first learn NOT to read stuff into things that
are not there, you Anti-Semitism spreading Judeo-Nazi wanna-be.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/fe5f68cc17b81391
Have you seen any Jew supporting your Zionist obsession?
Jews need you, Wabnigger, like fish need bicycles. At best
they *trolerate* you for you creating & spreading Anti-Semitism,
a stated Zionist tactic for the goal to bring the Yids back home. See:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
AHAHAHA... ahahahanson
Sam Wormley
>
> Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
> and it continues to generate more hype and heat
> than light and advances.
>
> General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
> that wastes time, money and minds on such
> pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves, etc.
>
> A mind is a terrible thing to waste,
> and the fact that General Relativity
> wastes billions of the taxpayers dollars every year,
> and waste the minds of thousands of innocent young dupes,
> should not be blamed on Jews.
>
> The blame should be placed where it belongs, on Einstein,
> and on the GTR welfare mothers on the taxpayer dole,
> who con the public into believing
> that they are privy to powerful, useful knowledge.
>
A $30B+ industry, applying relativity to create a global
infrastructure benefiting people all over the world got
your goat, eh Potter (Willy Lowman).
tdp...@gmail.com
It is interesting to see that Sam Wormley
states that General Relativity is a $30B+ industry.
I knew that billions of the taxpayers, hard-earned dollars
went into trying to rationalize General Relativity,
but I didn't realize that Congress was stupid enough to
waste that much money on a non-cost-effective model
promoted by self-serving charlatans and their dupes.
As I pointed out,
after Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After the Faraday/Maxwell model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After the Watson/Crick DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances, and waste time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, space warps, gravity waves, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Eric Gisse
tdp...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Do you have that written down in a text file, or do you write it from
scratch every time?
Sam Wormley
>
> It is interesting to see that Sam Wormley
> states that General Relativity is a $30B+ industry.
>
> I knew that billions of the taxpayers, hard-earned dollars
> went into trying to rationalize General Relativity,
> but I didn't realize that Congress was stupid enough to
> waste that much money on a non-cost-effective model
> promoted by self-serving charlatans and their dupes.
>
June 21: Congressional Testimony Addresses Economic Significance of GPS
http://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/space/library/speeches/2006-06-spacepowerhearing.html
Economic Value
The economic value of GPS is difficult to quantify because it is so
pervasive and integrated into the fabric of the economy. Counting the
total number of GPS users in the world is a challenge, because the
technology is often embedded in other products, such as cell phones,
and consumers do not even know they are using it. According to one
private sector firm, global sales of GPS user equipment currently
exceed $20 billion a year and will continue growing at a healthy rate
for the foreseeable future (1).
Equipment sales represent only the tip of the economic iceberg. As
with personal computers, the true value of GPS is not in the cost of
the equipment, but in the productivity and growth it enables. U.S.
industry has created new services and enhanced existing products by
accessing GPS capabilities. The Department of Commerce has been
working closely with the Department of Transportation to quantify the
economic benefits of GPS in terms of the productivity gains enjoyed
by civilian users, not just equipment sales. Within the next month,
we will be publishing an article in the trade press describing some
of our results. The article focuses on the quantifiable economic
benefits of the next-generation GPS satellites, which began launching
last year. One of the first upgrades that next-generation GPS
delivers is a second civilian GPS signal, known as "L2C," which was
specifically designed to enhance the commercial utility of GPS. Under
the most likely scenario, we estimate L2C could enable over $5
billion in economic productivity benefits over the next 30 years.
See: http://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/space/library/speeches/2006-06-spacepowerhearing.html
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
> Economic Value
> See: http://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/space/library/speeches/2006-06-spacepowerhearing.html
For aviation:
Operational savings in direct routing versus navaid to navaid.
Elimination of installaton and maintenance costs for ground based
systems that are fading into history such as LORAN and NDBs.
GPS approaches established instead of ground based ILS systems.
Not fielding the MLS system as it was rendered obsolete before being
deployed.
For traffic management:
Traffic flow information without dedicated sensors using GPS phone data.
For delivery services:
Do I even have to say it?
Search and Rescue:
Virtually instant location via GPS enabled emergency locators versus
hours and sometimes days of searching for the old 121.5 MHz beacons.
Contruction:
Accuracy increased and time reduced in grading large projects.
All direct, tangible dollar savings and hardly a complete list.
--
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hanson
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Tom Potter tdp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > It is interesting to see that Sam Wormley
>> > states that General Relativity is a $30B+ industry.
>> >
>> > I knew that billions of the taxpayers, hard-earned dollars
>> > went into trying to rationalize General Relativity,
>> > but I didn't realize that Congress was stupid enough to
>> > waste that much money on a non-cost-effective model
>> > promoted by self-serving charlatans and their dupes.
>> >
>
[hanson]
Tom Potter, are you referring to GR or GPS in your
second paragraph?... the Rel or the hardware model?
Nobody argues about the benefits of GPS which was
originally designed, constructed and operated without any
help of SR/GR. If any SR/GR algos were added later on it
was done as a sales gig/gag only, but it that had no intrinsic
use, much less gave any added benefits, except that the
Ashby crowd and the Einstein Dingleberries got all exited,
excitement that may have contributed to increased funding.
BTW, does it say anywhere in the posts & links below that
these systems could not have been built without Einstein?
... who always seems to be the obsession, fetish and point
of fixation in these ever repeated discussions about GPS
in these NGs.... ....ahahahaha... ahahahanson
[Jim]
> For aviation:
> Operational savings in direct routing versus navaid to navaid.
> Elimination of installaton and maintenance costs for ground based
> systems that are fading into history such as LORAN and NDBs.
> GPS approaches established instead of ground based ILS systems.
> Not fielding the MLS system as it was rendered obsolete before being
> deployed.
> For traffic management:
> Traffic flow information without dedicated sensors using GPS phone data.
> For delivery services:
> Do I even have to say it?
> Search and Rescue:
> Virtually instant location via GPS enabled emergency locators versus
> hours and sometimes days of searching for the old 121.5 MHz beacons.
> Contruction:
> Accuracy increased and time reduced in grading large projects.
> All direct, tangible dollar savings and hardly a complete list.
> Jim Pennino
>
The Ghost In The Machine
<tdp...@gmail.com>
wrote
on 22 Oct 2006 18:40:46 -0700
<1161567646.5...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
>
> Sam Wormley wrote:
[snip for brevity]
It is interesting to see that Tom Potter doesn't quite
get it. For starters, SPEAR created the tau lepton using
electrons and positrons. The tau lepton is far too heavy
to explain without invoking either superluminal electrons,
or relativity. Most accelerators pour more energy into
their particles than is required to accelerate them to
Newtonian lightspeed.
Laser gyroscopes are based on the Sagnac effect, an effect
that cannot even work in an absolute-time-compatible
framework.
GPS is routinely used, but the construction thereof
required the satellite clocks to be compensated for
relativistic effects; otherwise the error will be almost
11 km at certain points of the day.
Even the astrologers have to account for relativity, though
probably not by a lot; the discrepancy is approximately 43
arc-seconds per century. Over 10,000 years that translates
into almost 12 degrees.
Whether $30B can be directly attributable to SR, GR, or both,
or not, I for one cannot say. Laser gyroscopes, though, are
good evidence. :-)
[.sigsnip]
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>.........
>Nobody argues about the benefits of GPS which was
>originally designed, constructed and operated without any
>help of SR/GR. If any SR/GR algos were added later on it
>was done as a sales gig/gag only, but it that had no intrinsic
>use, much less gave any added benefits, except that the
>Ashby crowd and the Einstein Dingleberries got all exited,
>excitement that may have contributed to increased funding.
Sales to whom? Funding from where?
I have never seen somebody advertising RT to boost
GPS sales. The general public does not care at all.
Your sales argument is unsubstantiated so far, IMHO.
>
>BTW, does it say anywhere in the posts & links below that
>these systems could not have been built without Einstein?
>... who always seems to be the obsession, fetish and point
>of fixation in these ever repeated discussions about GPS
>in these NGs.... ....ahahahaha... ahahahanson
>>
I sully agree with you, hanson.
(Sniff).
w.
tdp...@gmail.com
I type it from scratch every time.
I type several thousand words per minute,
and I can type stuff in faster that I can copy and paste it.
Now if only I can find a keyboard that doesn't
heat up when I type.
I hate the smell of burning plastic.
Eric Gisse
tdp...@gmail.com wrote:
> Eric Gisse wrote:
> > tdp...@gmail.com wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > Do you have that written down in a text file, or do you write it from
> > scratch every time?
>
> I type it from scratch every time.
>
> I type several thousand words per minute,
> and I can type stuff in faster that I can copy and paste it.
I can't tell...are you delusional enough to believe this [possible] or
are you trying to play a gag [slightly less possible] ?
tdp...@gmail.com
confuses General Relativity with the GPS system.
It might be of value to people ignorant of the technologies that
went into the GPS system to examine
what the relative contributions
of some of the technologies were.
Semiconductor technology - 30%
Rocket technology - 30%
Communications technology - 15%
Software technology 13%
Information theory - 10%
Antenna technology - 1%
The Galileo effect - 1%
General Relativity - 0%
Jesus - 0%
Moses - 0%
Astrology - 0%
tdp...@gmail.com
hanson makes a good point!
Sam Wormley confuses General Relativity
with the GPS system,
perhaps, because the GTR welfare mothers
have brainwashed many people to believe
that they are privy to powerful, esoteric knowledge,
that is essential to McDonalds, Taco Bell, Google, Yahoo,
and the GPS system.
It might be of value to people ignorant of the technologies that
went into the GPS system to examine
what the relative contributions
of some of the technologies were.
Semiconductor technology - 30%
Rocket technology - 30%
Communications technology - 15%
Software technology 13%
Information theory - 10%
Antenna technology - 1%
The Galileo effect - 1%
General Relativity - 0%
Jesus - 0%
Moses - 0%
Astrology - 0%
--
tdp...@gmail.com
It is interesting to see that The Ghost In The Machine asserts
that the "laser ring gyro" is a $30,000,000,000.00 business annually,
and he seems to assert that General Relativity was essential
to the development of the "laser ring gyro".
As can be seen from the NASA history article at the URL below,
the "laser ring gyro" evolved from the mechanical gyro,
and as everyone who has heard a train go by knows,
the frequency of the sounds are higher as the train approaches,
and are lower when the train is receding.
This is what is known as the "Doppler Effect",
and as can be seen, from the URL below,
Christian Doppler explained this effect very well in 1842.
http://www.who2.com/christiandoppler.html
Christian Doppler studied mathematics and astronomy in Czechoslovakia
and Austria, and ended up teaching in Vienna. In 1842 he presented his
paper "On the Coloured Light of Double Stars and Certain Other Stars of
the Heavens," illustrating what has since been called the Doppler
Effect. He explained that the perceived change of frequency in light
and sound waves was due to the relative motion of the source and the
observer. His ideas helped pave the way for the idea that the universe
is expanding, and made it possible to follow weather patterns by
tracking electromagnetic radio waves.
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-480/ch14.htm
"In recent years the limitations of mechanical gyros-never so great as
to impair their usefulness over moderate intervals-has been moderated
by an exciting development, the laser ring gyro. In effect these gyros
are made by replacing the rotating mechanical parts with rings of laser
light, rotating without friction. Each laser gyro consists of two rings
of light traveling in opposite directions; motion causes the frequency
of one beam to be upshifted and the other downshifted"
As can be seen, Ghost In The Machine claimed:
"Laser gyroscopes are based on the Sagnac effect.."
As a guy who sold several kinds of accelerometers
back in the 1960's, and attended seminars on the subject,
I can assure the Ghost that people were thinking about optical gyros
long before then,
and as soon as the LASER became available,
that they began actively trying to make optical gyros using LASERs,
and utililyzing the **Doppler Effect**.
I trust that the Ghost will post references that show that the
early optical gyro engineers were thinking in terms of Sagnac,
and General Relativity rather than Doppler.
Eric Gisse
tdp1...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
> As a guy who sold several kinds of accelerometers
> back in the 1960's, and attended seminars on the subject,
So?
That makes you a salesman, not a physicist.
[...]
Tom Potter
"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Thank you!
Nothing happens until somebody sells something.
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The Ghost In The Machine
<tdp...@yahoo.com>
wrote
on Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:47:11 +0800
<453c92fd$0$19717$8826...@free.teranews.com>:
>
> "Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161592747.6...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> tdp1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> As a guy who sold several kinds of accelerometers
>>> back in the 1960's, and attended seminars on the subject,
>>
>> So?
>>
>> That makes you a salesman, not a physicist.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Nothing happens until somebody sells something.
The claims of course being that SR was a big con/sales job.
[.sigsnip]
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The Ghost In The Machine
<1161592522.1...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
The former, no. The latter, maybe.
Well, sorry to disappoint you. A search did cough up some
interesting stuff but all of it is "pay per view".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_gyroscope
needs to be edited, as it mentions Sagnac and is too brief. I'll leave
that to you.
[.sigsnip]
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hanson
"Helmut Wabnig" <.... --. .- -... -. .. .-- @ .- --- -. DOT .- -> wrote in
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>>.........
>>Nobody argues about the benefits of GPS which was
>>originally designed, constructed and operated without any
>>help of SR/GR. If any SR/GR algos were added later on it
>>was done as a sales gig/gag only, but it that had no intrinsic
>>use, much less gave any added benefits, except that the
>>Ashby crowd and the Einstein Dingleberries got all exited,
>>excitement that may have contributed to increased funding.
>
> Sales to whom? Funding from where?
>
ahahahaha... of course you don't know neither
because all you do and know is explained in here
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/01dbab55380ad992
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
>
[Wabnigger]
> I have never seen somebody advertising RT to boost
> GPS sales. The general public does not care at all.
>
ahahaha... the general public knows but you don't. Why?
It is all explained in here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/01dbab55380ad992
>
[Wabnigger]
> Your sales argument is unsubstantiated so far, IMHO.
>
Your substantiation of the absolute "never" with your HO
is typical wabniggering. So go back to what you sell best
as can be seen in here
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/01dbab55380ad992
>>
[hanson]
>>BTW, does it say anywhere in the posts & links below that
>>these systems could not have been built without Einstein?
>>... who always seems to be the obsession, fetish and point
>>of fixation in these ever repeated discussions about GPS
>>in these NGs.... ....ahahahaha... ahahahanson
>>>
[Wabnigger]
> I sully agree with you, hanson.
> (Sniff).
>
[Wabnigger]
It has been painfully obvious from your posting history
that you were a heavy sniffer all along. Go sniff another
line and keep on wabniggering in your "sully"-ness to
promote your peculiar fetish & obsession as seen in here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/d29c4e7587b1f592
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/01dbab55380ad992
ahahahaha.... ahahahanson
hanson
news:1161588788.6...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> hanson makes a good point!
> Sam Wormley confuses General Relativity
> with the GPS system,
> perhaps, because the GTR welfare mothers
> have brainwashed many people to believe
> that they are privy to powerful, esoteric knowledge,
> that is essential to McDonalds, Taco Bell, Google, Yahoo,
> and the GPS system.
> It might be of value to people ignorant of the technologies that
> went into the GPS system to examine
> what the relative contributions
> of some of the technologies were.
>
>
> Semiconductor technology - 30%
> Rocket technology - 30%
> Communications technology - 15%
> Software technology 13%
> Information theory - 10%
> Antenna technology - 1%
> The Galileo effect - 1%
> General Relativity - 0%
> Jesus - 0%
> Moses - 0%
> Astrology - 0%
>
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... Great!.... In your TVCA above
if you would have described the zero contribution of
GR to GPS with something that Einstein Dingleberries
are comfortable with and you would have used/said
something like "Gamma when zero" or used "Androcles'
division by zero" argument, instead of using a just plain
"0%" then you would have convinced the Einstein
Dingleberries far better. But now all they'll do is to
argue more and move closer to their idol's sphincter.
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
hanson
>
> Eric Gisse wrote:
>> Do you have that written down in a text file, or do you
>> write it from scratch every time?
>
> I type it from scratch every time.
> I type several thousand words per minute,
> and I can type stuff in faster that I can copy and paste it.
> Now if only I can find a keyboard that doesn't
> heat up when I type.
> I hate the smell of burning plastic.
>
"I love the smell of burning plastic in the morning!"
... a take from "Apocalypse Now" would have been
far more impressive, Tom.... ahahahaha... ahahahaha.. .
ahahaha... ahahahanson
Art Deco
Looks like Helmut owns you, [hanson].
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Another kooksign, [hanson], starting threads in honor of your owner,
chock full of ad hominems, too.
Eric Gisse
Tom Potter wrote:
> "Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161592747.6...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > tdp1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> >> As a guy who sold several kinds of accelerometers
> >> back in the 1960's, and attended seminars on the subject,
> >
> > So?
> >
> > That makes you a salesman, not a physicist.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Nothing happens until somebody sells something.
That may be so, but my point is that just because you sold stuff and
attended a few talks about the stuff you sold, does not mean that you
actually have a complete understanding of the stuff.
However, you being a salesman does explain your curious dislike of
general relativity. Since there are a lot less down-to-earth
applications for GR as opposed to SR/QM/Newton, you percieve GR as
being useless.
Rejecting a certain theory just because it isn't directly influencing
your life right this second is incredibly short-sighted. Just because
you don't see a direct down to earth use for GR right this second does
not mean there will not be one down the road.
hanson
That is a good post from you, Eric. It is commensurate with
your age. Look up one of Androcles' post wherein he says
that at your age, in college, he was beating badly up one of
his student friends, because that guy was doubting Einstein.
What Potter and the older folks here are talking about is
that ungodly and disproportionate amount of moneys that
went and goes into the promotion of a theory (REL) that has
netted little for THEIR tax money. I will not argue with you, for
you to abandon your new found pearls and your hopes that
one day it will bring the rapture to common folks & reimburse
them many times over with down to earth pay-offs.
Eric, carry on and ***cherish your days of wonder***...
They will NEVER come back!...
Take care, Eric
hansonnews:1161656507.6...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Tom Potter
>
> Tom Potter wrote:
>> "Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161592747.6...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > tdp1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > [...]
>> >
>> >> As a guy who sold several kinds of accelerometers
>> >> back in the 1960's, and attended seminars on the subject,
>> >
>> > So?
>> >
>> > That makes you a salesman, not a physicist.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Nothing happens until somebody sells something.
>
> That may be so, but my point is that just because you sold stuff and
> attended a few talks about the stuff you sold, does not mean that you
> actually have a complete understanding of the stuff.
>
> However, you being a salesman does explain your curious dislike of
> general relativity. Since there are a lot less down-to-earth
> applications for GR as opposed to SR/QM/Newton, you percieve GR as
> being useless.
>
> Rejecting a certain theory just because it isn't directly influencing
> your life right this second is incredibly short-sighted. Just because
> you don't see a direct down to earth use for GR right this second does
> not mean there will not be one down the road.
"Eric Gisse" makes a good point.
I do not "actually have a complete understanding of "
General Relativity and Astrology.
I do know that
the ultimate measure of the quality of cause/effect relationships
is the auto-correlation between the assumed causes and the assumed effects.
Models and theories are mnemonics
used to expand and extrapolate ONE cross-correlation
(Tests of Einstein's general theory of relativity
did not provide an experimental foundation for the theory
until well after it was introduced in 1915.
Physicists accepted the theory
because it correctly accounted for
the precession of the perihelion of Mercury..)
or a set of correlations.
All models are limited in their applications.
For example, have you ever seen GTR used to model
DNA, ionization potentials, electronegativity, to build a bridge,
to design an electrical or electronic system, a semiconductor,
or an information compressor (JPG, ZIP, etc.), etc.?
And as GTR is "continuous"
whereas reality consists of "discrete" events,
it cannot be the end all,
nor a look into the "mind of God".
Physics works on a small subset of the properties
perceived by humans. This sub-set is called the physical properties,
and Maxwell found about 140 years ago,
that four of these physical properties could be used as pointers
to all of the other physical properties.
This is now called Dimensional Analysis,
and ALL models and theories MUST
be dimensional correct, or else they are not physics.
Some day you will learn to place value
on correlations, rather than models and theories,
and even worse, on credentials and individuals.
The value of a model, theory, person, group, nation, etc.
to mankind can best be quantized in terms of
"discounted rate of return" on the resources invested in them,
and in terms of this measure,
General Relativity is an enormous loser,
as it has waste enormous amounts of
time, money and minds,
on such pursuits as hero worship, space warps,
gravitons, race/religion promotion, time travel, gravitons,
rubber clocks and rulers, etc.
A dollar is a terrible thing to waste.
Tom Potter
>
> Tom Potter wrote:
>> "Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161592747.6...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > tdp1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > [...]
>> >
>> >> As a guy who sold several kinds of accelerometers
>> >> back in the 1960's, and attended seminars on the subject,
>> >
>> > So?
>> >
>> > That makes you a salesman, not a physicist.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Nothing happens until somebody sells something.
>
> That may be so, but my point is that just because you sold stuff and
> attended a few talks about the stuff you sold, does not mean that you
> actually have a complete understanding of the stuff.
>
> However, you being a salesman does explain your curious dislike of
> general relativity. Since there are a lot less down-to-earth
> applications for GR as opposed to SR/QM/Newton, you percieve GR as
> being useless.
>
> Rejecting a certain theory just because it isn't directly influencing
> your life right this second is incredibly short-sighted. Just because
> you don't see a direct down to earth use for GR right this second does
> not mean there will not be one down the road.
"Eric Gisse" makes a good point.
I do not "actually have a complete understanding of "
General Relativity and Astrology.
I do know that
the ultimate measure of the relationship between cause and effect
Value should be placed on utility and correlations,
rather than models and theories,
or on credentials and individuals.
The value of a model, theory, person, group, nation, etc.
to mankind can best be quantized in terms of
"discounted rate of return" on the resources invested in them,
and in terms of this measure,
General Relativity is an enormous loser,
as it has waste enormous amounts of
time, money and minds,
on such pursuits as hero worship, space warps,
gravitons, race/religion promotion, time travel, gravitons,
rubber clocks and rulers, etc.
A dollar is a terrible thing to waste.
tdp...@gmail.com
Hopefully The Ghost In The Machine
do a little research on "Joseph (Joe) Killpatrick",
the ELECTRICAL ENGINEER
who invented the "Ring Laser gyroscope",
and reference where he "based"
his invention on the Sagnac effect.
"ABSTRACT:
Today this gyroscope is the means of stabilization and guidance on
virtually 100% of the world's commercial airliners. The basic operation
of the device depends upon the theory of general relativity and uses
the laser to measure effective time differences of 10-24 seconds. The
laser is used to convert this small time difference to a measurable
frequency shift between two lasers with an accuracy of less than 0.01
hertz. How this instrument is designed and used will be described. The
development has posed several physics and engineering challanges. It is
remarkable how such a device has virtually replaced the old "spinning
wheel" gyroscopes.
BIOGRAPHY:
Joe was born in Hillsboro IL, went to high school at Carbondale, IL .
He attended Millikin U in Decatur and graduated from the Uof IL in 1955
in EE with highest honors (bronze tablet). He has taken graduate work
at U of Minnesota.
His career started at Honeywell in Minneapolis, MN. There he worked on
such tasks as the Electrostatic gyro with advanced control concepts. He
lead a laser group in the early 60's which built the world's 3rd gas
laser. His group developed the laser gyroscope starting in 1963. With
the first production contract in 1980 the gyro's sucess was achieved.
In the years following, development has continued resulting in smaller,
more accurate and lower cost units.
Today the gyros are used in a wide range of applications including
aircraft, ship, and space craft guidance and control. Joe has recieved
many national and international awards including the Elmer E Sperry
award for contributions to transportation. He holds 45 patents (most
concerning the RLG) After working at Honeywell for 44.5 years he
retired at the end of 1999 as Chief Scientist. He lives in Mimmeapolis
MN with his wife of 49 years. They have three children (all married),
one of which lives in Washington, IL."
http://ippo.ece.uiuc.edu/seminars/oct20-04-killpatrick.html
hanson
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> "Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Nothing happens until somebody sells something.
>>
>> That may be so, but my point is that [t] does not mean that you
>> actually have a complete understanding of the stuff.
>> your life right this second is incredibly short-sighted. Just because
>> you don't see a direct down to earth use for GR right this second does
>> not mean there will not be one down the road.
>
> "Eric Gisse" makes a good point.
> I do not "actually have a complete understanding of "
> General Relativity and Astrology.
> For example, have you ever seen GTR used to model
> DNA, ionization potentials, electronegativity, to build a bridge,
> to design an electrical or electronic system, a semiconductor,
> or an information compressor (JPG, ZIP, etc.), etc.?
> The value of a model, theory, person, group, nation, etc.
> to mankind can best be quantized in terms of "discounted rate of return"
> General Relativity is an enormous loser***,
> as it has waste enormous amounts of time, money and minds,
> race/religion promotion, time travel, gravitons,
> rubber clocks and rulers, etc.
> A dollar is a terrible thing to waste.
> --
> Tom Potter
>
... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA... Tom... ahahaha... Eric is NOT
ready for that yet. Like I said in a post addressed to him that
he should "cherish his days of wonder... for they will never
return"... Eric will experience the same evolution that you, me
and all the other professionals went thru. Exceptions are most
of the educator/teacher types who get stuck in their "space-time"
according to the regulations that order them what to preach.
Eric too will see that he was a victim of such instruction, just like
I was, after doctoring for years in slave labor for academia, when
I got my first job in R&D in a defense industry establishment, where
the group toiled away in great detail at their work. After a few
days I suggested that the team could save itself a lot of time
and grief by simply applying relativity, upon which the boss-man
hollered at me with very beady eyes: "Fuck you and your theories,
punk. Here, we measure !!! Lives and Millions are at stake in this" ....
I did get the message........ahahaha.......ahahahanson
PS: I didn't laugh at that time, back then.
Eric Gisse
Actually it took longer than that, but close enough.
>
> All models are limited in their applications.
> For example, have you ever seen GTR used to model
> DNA, ionization potentials, electronegativity, to build a bridge,
> to design an electrical or electronic system, a semiconductor,
> or an information compressor (JPG, ZIP, etc.), etc.?
No, because GR isn't a theory that deals with microscopic interactions
of particles nor is it a theory of computer science. Demanding it to be
as such is a foolish venture.
>
> And as GTR is "continuous"
> whereas reality consists of "discrete" events,
> it cannot be the end all,
> nor a look into the "mind of God".
Of course it isn't. Never said it was.
>
> Physics works on a small subset of the properties
> perceived by humans. This sub-set is called the physical properties,
> and Maxwell found about 140 years ago,
> that four of these physical properties could be used as pointers
> to all of the other physical properties.
>
> This is now called Dimensional Analysis,
> and ALL models and theories MUST
> be dimensional correct, or else they are not physics.
>
> Value should be placed on utility and correlations,
> rather than models and theories,
> or on credentials and individuals.
>
> The value of a model, theory, person, group, nation, etc.
> to mankind can best be quantized in terms of
> "discounted rate of return" on the resources invested in them,
> and in terms of this measure,
> General Relativity is an enormous loser,
Back to square one.
You place no value on increasing the sum of human knowledge when it
doesn't directly affect your right this second.
You are the type of person who refuses to do basic research because
there is no guaranteed rate of return.
You can't do science sucessfully while demanding every avenue of
research to pay off big time.
>
> as it has waste enormous amounts of
> time, money and minds,
> on such pursuits as hero worship, space warps,
> gravitons, race/religion promotion, time travel, gravitons,
> rubber clocks and rulers, etc.
So you don't like the theory because not only does it not have a direct
influence on your life, but because it upsets your notions of space and
time?
Have you *SEEN* quantum mechanics...ever?
Androcles
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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Now I understand why I instantly took a liking to you. I laugh
too, but less.... apparently?
I was on the Thames embankment (I'm quite familiar with London)
and feeling rather tired I lay on the parapet alongside the river to rest.
Well... I fell asleep.. before long I started to dream, when I
was suddenly woken by someone shaking my arm. I hate being
woken like that, so I grunted and tried to go back to sleep.
My arm was shaken again, so I opened my peepers and a
gorgeous young woman was looking at me with big beautiful
eyes and said "Are you ok?"
"Yeah", says I, "leave me alone".
"I can't do that", she said, "if you are that tired come with
me and I'll find somewhere for you to sleep for the night".
I thought about it, and realised other do-gooders wouldn't
leave me alone if I stayed where I was so I said "Ok".
She took to me to a flat in Chelsea, gave me a supper and
after I'd eaten she pointed to the bedroom. Well... there
was only one bed, and as she started to undress I realised
she meant for me to sleep there. So I undressed, but said
"I'm a gentleman. I'll face the wall and keep on this side."
She made no reply, so we both got in bed and I did what
I said I'd do.
I was about to fall asleep again when she said "Aren't
you going to roll over and give me a kiss?"
I rolled over and fell in the Thames.
As Tom Potty quotes, " A terrible mind should not be wasted".
Now, who can we terrorise next?
Androcles
hanson
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> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
> news:zEs%g.3467$hK.840@trnddc02...
> | "Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> | news:453dcd1a$0$19639$8826...@free.teranews.com...
> | > "Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> | > news:1161656507.6...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> | >>> > That makes you a salesman, not a physicist.
> | >>>
> | [Tom]
> | >>> Thank you!
> | >>> Nothing happens until somebody sells something.
> | >>
> | [Eric]
> | >> That may be so, but my point is that [t] does not mean that you
> | >> actually have a complete understanding of the stuff.
> | >> Rejecting a certain theory just because it isn't directly influencing
> | >> your life right this second is incredibly short-sighted. Just because
> | >> you don't see a direct down to earth use for GR right this second
> Oh man... been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
> Now I understand why I instantly took a liking to you. I laugh
> too, but less.... apparently?
>
See my comment on your story below in:
Re: Soft Porn Physics = Fun with Majorettes
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e38a665ec9e5d8ed
>
[Andro]
> I was on the Thames embankment (I'm quite familiar with London)
> and feeling rather tired I lay on the parapet alongside the river to rest.
> Well... I fell asleep.. before long I started to dream, when I
> was suddenly woken by someone shaking my arm. I hate being
> woken like that, so I grunted and tried to go back to sleep.
> My arm was shaken again, so I opened my peepers and a
> gorgeous young woman was looking at me with big beautiful
> eyes and said "Are you ok?"
> "Yeah", says I, "leave me alone".
> "I can't do that", she said, "if you are that tired come with
> me and I'll find somewhere for you to sleep for the night".
> I thought about it, and realised other do-gooders wouldn't
> leave me alone if I stayed where I was so I said "Ok".
> She took to me to a flat in Chelsea, gave me a supper and
> after I'd eaten she pointed to the bedroom. Well... there
> was only one bed, and as she started to undress I realised
> she meant for me to sleep there. So I undressed, but said
> "I'm a gentleman. I'll face the wall and keep on this side."
> She made no reply, so we both got in bed and I did what
> I said I'd do.
> I was about to fall asleep again when she said "Aren't
> you going to roll over and give me a kiss?"
> I rolled over and fell in the Thames.
>
> As Tom Potty quotes, " A terrible mind should not be wasted".
> Now, who can we terrorise next?
> Androcles
>
.... wow...wow.. WOW!..old friend... Take that "terrorise"..
back and keep your high British standards alive. The
appropriate phrase is: " who can we administer to next?"
AHAHAHA... ahahahanson
Androcles
battle of Waterloo where Napoleon got stomped and Dork Van
de merde lives.
http://www.infobel.com/belgium/people.aspx
tdp...@gmail.com
I am pleased to see that Eric Gisse
does not agree with Einstein on this point.
It appears that our deprogramming is working.
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9508/davies.html
"Einstein once said that the thing that most interested him
is whether God had any choice in His creation."
http://www.gozillago.net/prose/Einstein.html
"Einstein is reported in a well-known story
to have said of his physics career, that everything he had done,
he had done in an effort to know the mind of God."
I am also pleased to see that Eric Gisse
recognizes that it is a "foolish venture"
to try to use GTR for modeling practical
and that it is best suited for modeling time travel,
warping through space, gravitons,
rubber times and space, and realities beyond
man's capacity to ever know.
It is sad that the welfare mothers who hype GTR
are not forced to provide a payoff to society
for the billions of dollars that has gone into
just proving GTR for racial and religious reasons,
and to con taxpayers out of their money..
Eric Gisse
You are talking to me, not about me. Asshole.
Imagine someone responding to a question or comment of *yours* with an
essay - like you do. Every time.
>
> I am pleased to see that Eric Gisse
> does not agree with Einstein on this point.
Accepting GR does not entail accepting Einstein's philosophical,
religious or political views.
Like too many cranks on this newsgroup, you seem incapable of
decoupling Einstein from GR. Yes, Einstein made GR but GR exists
independantly of Einstein.
>
> It appears that our deprogramming is working.
>
> http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9508/davies.html
> "Einstein once said that the thing that most interested him
> is whether God had any choice in His creation."
>
>
> http://www.gozillago.net/prose/Einstein.html
> "Einstein is reported in a well-known story
> to have said of his physics career, that everything he had done,
> he had done in an effort to know the mind of God."
>
I don't really care because I have heard it before.
Einstein's metaphysical and philosophical musings are interesting in
their own right, but are irrelevant for understanding GR.
> I am also pleased to see that Eric Gisse
> recognizes that it is a "foolish venture"
> to try to use GTR for modeling practical
> and that it is best suited for modeling time travel,
> warping through space, gravitons,
> rubber times and space, and realities beyond
> man's capacity to ever know.
No, crackpotter, I don't 'recognize' anything of the sort.
You have yet to provide an empirical disproof of general relativity.
All you can do is assert that GR has no practical interest while
completely ignoring GPS, accurate placement of satellites, and accurate
timekeeping.
>
> It is sad that the welfare mothers who hype GTR
> are not forced to provide a payoff to society
> for the billions of dollars that has gone into
> just proving GTR for racial and religious reasons,
> and to con taxpayers out of their money..
What "welfare mothers"?
Are these mythical "welfare mothers" like the mythical "13 hacks of
general relativity", that when pressed upon for details, you ignore the
question?
Tom Potter
Good point hanson!
The misfits who hang out in alt.kook newsgroups
and flood the serious newsgroups with their insane trash,
and the ones that have personal attack web sites,
and the ones that reference personal attack web sites,
try desperately to "terrorise"
in order to conpensate for weak egos,
whereas the old salts,
like you, I, and a few others,
try to "administer" to the people who
are off track functionally,
and give them the benefit of our experience.
As parents and grandparents,
we know that it will be years
before our "administering" takes effect.
Tom Potter
that I picked up from the news today.
A guy planted little plots of marijuana
in many places, and used his GPS
to find the spots when the weed was
ready for harvesting.
Of course, don't be like this guy,
and get stopped by the cops with
marijuana and the GPS receiver in the car.
The cops used Google and his way points
to find all of his plots and not only killed the weeds,
but charged him with selling the stuff.
A word to the wise:
"Encode the way points to where you stash your treasures."
Somebody might want to pass this tip along to frazir.
--
Tom Potter
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hanson
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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>> "Androcles" <Headm...@hogwarts.physics_d> wrote in message
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>>> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
>>> news:zEs%g.3467$hK.840@trnddc02...
>>> | "Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> | news:453dcd1a$0$19639$8826...@free.teranews.com...
>>> | > "Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> | > news:1161656507.6...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> | >>> > That makes you a salesman, not a physicist.
>>> | >>>
[Tom]
>>> | >>> Thank you!
>>> | >>> Nothing happens until somebody sells something.
>>> | >>
[Eric]
>>> | >> That may be so, but my point is that [t] does not mean that you
>>> | >> actually have a complete understanding of the stuff.
>>> | >> Rejecting a certain theory just because it isn't directly
>>> >>> influencing your life right this second is incredibly short-sighted.
>>> | >> Just because you don't see a direct down to earth use for GR
>>> | >
[Tom]
>>> | > "Eric Gisse" makes a good point.
>>> | > I do not "actually have a complete understanding of "
>>> | > General Relativity and Astrology.
>>> | > I do know that All models are limited in their applications.
>>> | > For example, have you ever seen GTR used to model
>>> | > DNA, ionization potentials, electronegativity, to build a bridge,
>>> | > to design an electrical or electronic system, a semiconductor,
>>> | > or an information compressor (JPG, ZIP, etc.), etc.?
>>> | > Physics works on a small subset of the properties perceived by | >
>>> | PS: I didn't laugh at that time, back then.
>>> |
[Andro]
>>> Oh man... been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
>>> Now I understand why I instantly took a liking to you.
>>> I laugh too, but less.... apparently?
>>>
[hanson]
>> See my comment on your story below in:
>> Re: Soft Porn Physics = Fun with Majorettes
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e38a665ec9e5d8ed
>>>
[Andro]
>>> I was on the Thames embankment (I'm quite familiar with London)
>>> and feeling rather tired I lay on the parapet alongside the river to
> Good point hanson!
> The misfits who hang out in alt.kook newsgroups and flood the serious
> newsgroups with their insane trash, and the ones that have personal attack
> desperately to "terrorise" in order to conpensate for weak egos,
> whereas the old salts, like you, I, and a few others,
> try to "administer" to the people who are off track functionally, and give
> them the benefit of our experience.
> As parents and grandparents, we know that it will be years
> before our "administering" takes effect.
> -- > Tom Potter
>
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... Tom, Tom, I know that you are "on
a mission from god to better the world". You said so long time
ago. I respect that, Tom, but I have difficulties with that "like you, I"...
because "unlike you, I", by "administering", simply mean to have
fun with someone.... hopefully on their account.... ahahaha...
Basically, I am just a bonvivant & commentator on all walks of life.
I like to travel alone and I have no particular agenda except to
have a laugh or 2 here on the Usenet which is rich source of totally
unintended humor by people who take themselves very serious.
I am honored though that you found a place somewhere in your
heart for me.
Til later, Tom.... ahahahahaha....ahahanson