Where is ahaha.... ahahahanson?
Tom Potter
Does anyone know what the score is?
Maybe he got arrested by Homeland Security
for trying to instigate someone to assassinate the Decider.
You got to admit that hanson knew a lot about GTR and the GPS system.
One of his last posts was:
"... ahahaha... of course you know that only from hear say, which
is a very effective form of relativity... But every engineer knows
that GPS-relativity is only used by the marketers and salesmen
for GPS stuff to get little fanatics like you to fork over your money
so that you'll have less buyer's remorse and can bamboozle your
fat girlfriend with: "Look honey, Einstein made this".... ahahaha..
But in the halls where they design/manufacture and test GPS-stuff
every worker knows that the (in) famous 38 microseconds for
GPS are strictly and simply Newtonian per the equation of
(M_e /h ) * (2 G/c^2) * 86400 = 38 microsec which solved the
clock problem for that case. --- But you wouldn't get to know that
from just watching TV... ahaha... There's a big world behind the TV. "
Hey!
Come to think about it,
maybe hanson was done in by some General Relativity cultist!
--
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Sam Wormley
> I haven't seen any hanson posts for several weeks.
> Does anyone know what the score is?
>
> Maybe he got arrested by Homeland Security
> for trying to instigate someone to assassinate the Decider.
>
> You got to admit that hanson knew a lot about GTR and the GPS system.
>
> One of his last posts was:
> "... ahahaha... of course you know that only from hear say, which
> is a very effective form of relativity... But every engineer knows
> that GPS-relativity is only used by the marketers and salesmen
> for GPS stuff to get little fanatics like you to fork over your money
> so that you'll have less buyer's remorse and can bamboozle your
> fat girlfriend with: "Look honey, Einstein made this".... ahahaha..
> But in the halls where they design/manufacture and test GPS-stuff
> every worker knows that the (in) famous 38 microseconds for
> GPS are strictly and simply Newtonian per the equation of
> (M_e /h ) * (2 G/c^2) * 86400 = 38 microsec which solved the
> clock problem for that case. --- But you wouldn't get to know that
> from just watching TV... ahaha... There's a big world behind the TV. "
>
> Hey!
> Come to think about it,
> maybe hanson was done in by some General Relativity cultist!
>
Potter, being the fool that he is, should try plugging
some numbers into his equation
(M_e /h ) * (2 G/c^2) * 86400 = 38 盜
The equation isn't even dimensionally correct. Of course
Potter wouldn't understand that.
Here's the correct calculation, Potter!
Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html
Helmut Wabnig
wrote:
>I haven't seen any hanson posts for several weeks.
>Does anyone know what the score is?
>
>Maybe he got arrested by Homeland Security
>for trying to instigate someone to assassinate the Decider.
>
>You got to admit that hanson knew a lot about GTR and the GPS system.
Disagree.
he was fighting the "overselling of relativity" which is acceptable.
I would say, he is right with that. Something to learn from him.
Otherwise he perpetuated the nonsense:
"engineers don't need relativity"
GPS not made by engineers?
Linear accelerators, synchrotrons, colliders not made by engineers?
Millions of particle accelerators worldwide not made by engineers?
(Your TV picture tube is a particle accelerator, may I remind you).
And he screams and yells when one pokes fun on him.
Somewhat oversensitive, that baby.
w.
--
"My man died two weeks after our marriage."
"Oh, then he did not suffer for long"
Jan Panteltje
<...._.--_.-_-..._-._.._--.@.-_---_-._*_.-_-> wrote in
<sbvl8299n26daep9v...@4ax.com>:
>On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:58:10 +0800, "Tom Potter" <tdp...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I haven't seen any hanson posts for several weeks.
>>Does anyone know what the score is?
>>
>>Maybe he got arrested by Homeland Security
>>for trying to instigate someone to assassinate the Decider.
>>
>>You got to admit that hanson knew a lot about GTR and the GPS system.
>Disagree.
>
>he was fighting the "overselling of relativity" which is acceptable.
>I would say, he is right with that. Something to learn from him.
>Otherwise he perpetuated the nonsense:
>"engineers don't need relativity"
>GPS not made by engineers?
>Linear accelerators, synchrotrons, colliders not made by engineers?
>Millions of particle accelerators worldwide not made by engineers?
>(Your TV picture tube is a particle accelerator, may I remind you).
Well, in reality your TV CRT needs no relativity, there was no relativity
at issue when the first CRTs were manufactured, and very little if any now.
I have worked on part of the electronics of a lineac, and needed no relativty,
the 'white coats' for sure had it on their sandwiches....
GPS needs no relativity for it to WORK, but maybe to explain, in that case
Rela Tivity gives some numbers, but there are other theories.
talking about sensitive: the Lovers of Rela Tivity, they are hair trigger....
But the worst are those who really have no hands on and some intersest of
some sort... and there are BOTS too.... Rela Tivity Lover Bots.
Like a dildo.
Eric Gisse
Tom Potter wrote:
> I haven't seen any hanson posts for several weeks.
> Does anyone know what the score is?
I'm hoping hes dead.
Oddly enough, Traveler hasn't been spreading his fetish across USENET
recently. No way they are the same person!
>
> Maybe he got arrested by Homeland Security
> for trying to instigate someone to assassinate the Decider.
You can not possibly be intelligent enough to enjoy the daily show...
>
> You got to admit that hanson knew a lot about GTR and the GPS system.
No....no he didn't.
>
> One of his last posts was:
> "... ahahaha... of course you know that only from hear say, which
> is a very effective form of relativity... But every engineer knows
> that GPS-relativity is only used by the marketers and salesmen
> for GPS stuff to get little fanatics like you to fork over your money
> so that you'll have less buyer's remorse and can bamboozle your
> fat girlfriend with: "Look honey, Einstein made this".... ahahaha..
> But in the halls where they design/manufacture and test GPS-stuff
> every worker knows that the (in) famous 38 microseconds for
> GPS are strictly and simply Newtonian per the equation of
> (M_e /h ) * (2 G/c^2) * 86400 = 38 microsec which solved the
> clock problem for that case. --- But you wouldn't get to know that
> from just watching TV... ahaha... There's a big world behind the TV. "
hanson is an idiot. Newton has no such correction because Newton does
not use c.
>
> Hey!
> Come to think about it,
You haven't thought before, why start now?
> maybe hanson was done in by some General Relativity cultist!
Here's hoping he comes for you, next.
Phineas T Puddleduck
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well, in reality your TV CRT needs no relativity, there was no relativity
> at issue when the first CRTs were manufactured, and very little if any now.
> I have worked on part of the electronics of a lineac, and needed no relativty,
> the 'white coats' for sure had it on their sandwiches....
> GPS needs no relativity for it to WORK, but maybe to explain, in that case
> Rela Tivity gives some numbers, but there are other theories.
> talking about sensitive: the Lovers of Rela Tivity, they are hair trigger....
> But the worst are those who really have no hands on and some intersest of
> some sort... and there are BOTS too.... Rela Tivity Lover Bots.
> Like a dildo.
www.eftaylor.com has a good analysis on the use of relativity in GR. It
only requires some simple calculus. But then again, that paragraph
alone shows you're pretty fixed in your world view and no amount of
percussive maintenance will change that.
--
The greatest enemy of science is pseudoscience.
Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orangey jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson why
parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.
Jan Panteltje
Puddleduck <phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
<100620062010417271%phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM>:
>In article <e6f29c$b9d$1...@nntp.aioe.org>, Jan Panteltje
><pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, in reality your TV CRT needs no relativity, there was no relativity
>> at issue when the first CRTs were manufactured, and very little if any now.
>> I have worked on part of the electronics of a lineac, and needed no relativty,
>> the 'white coats' for sure had it on their sandwiches....
>> GPS needs no relativity for it to WORK, but maybe to explain, in that case
>> Rela Tivity gives some numbers, but there are other theories.
>> talking about sensitive: the Lovers of Rela Tivity, they are hair trigger....
>> But the worst are those who really have no hands on and some intersest of
>> some sort... and there are BOTS too.... Rela Tivity Lover Bots.
>> Like a dildo.
>
>www.eftaylor.com has a good analysis on the use of relativity in GR.
The SamBot and some humans have beaten Rela Tivity to death here.
> It
>only requires some simple calculus.
That is perhaps the whole problem, no understanding of a mechanism,
c a law (like> max speed you get a ticket, the math is so simple even *I*
can understand it, (it came from Albert OneStone remember).
> But then again, that paragraph
>alone shows you're pretty fixed in your world view and no amount of
>percussive maintenance will change that.
Well, it is hard to belive that crap, many fall for it, like you it seems,
with some bad luck you will still be spouting that nonsense years from now,
so whos fixed in his world view. Yours is fixed at <c clearly.
LOL
poor guy.
guys [and bots].
Phineas T Puddleduck
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
orld view and no amount of
> >percussive maintenance will change that.
>
> Well, it is hard to belive that crap, many fall for it, like you it seems,
> with some bad luck you will still be spouting that nonsense years from now,
> so whos fixed in his world view. Yours is fixed at <c clearly.
> LOL
> poor guy.
> guys [and bots].
When I find people with valid criticisms, I can be open. I'm well aware
that theories change and grow. HOWEVER unlike you, I maintain an open
mind. I don't meely repeat the same old tired anti-relativity nonsense
nor stick my fingers in my ears when someone points out a problem.
*PLONK*
Jan Panteltje
Puddleduck <phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
<100620062032517079%phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM>:
>In article <e6f6ds$f0e$1...@nntp.aioe.org>, Jan Panteltje
><pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>orld view and no amount of
>> >percussive maintenance will change that.
>>
>> Well, it is hard to belive that crap, many fall for it, like you it seems,
>> with some bad luck you will still be spouting that nonsense years from now,
>> so whos fixed in his world view. Yours is fixed at <c clearly.
>> LOL
>> poor guy.
>> guys [and bots].
>
>When I find people with valid criticisms, I can be open. I'm well aware
>that theories change and grow. HOWEVER unlike you, I maintain an open
>mind. I don't meely repeat the same old tired anti-relativity nonsense
>nor stick my fingers in my ears when someone points out a problem.
>
>*PLONK*
On more dead duck
Good shot
Sam Wormley
He killed you, Jan, not the other way around!
-SamBot
Jan Panteltje
<swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in <0vFig.25680$No1.21883@attbi_s71>:
No it was the sound of the duck getting hit, and then it hitting the ground!
So: first screams of anger and defeat, then a clear 'plonk' as it hit cumulus
granulus.
Gretings
Anti Bot
beep
Sam Wormley
Too bad I didn't have my camera ready! Some setup is required.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=43&sort=7&cat=2&page=2
Jan Panteltje
<swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in <GUFig.25800$1i1.7299@attbi_s72>:
> Too bad I didn't have my camera ready! Some setup is required.
> http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=43&sort=7&cat=2&page=2
Well, the solution to that is to fly away FTL and use the biggest lens,
stop, and picture the past.
Canon makes some good lenses, I had a Canon camera once (seventies) E type I
think.
This one is a bit expensive no? I mean for that money you can do a lot of things..
Buy a lot of ducks and ammo.
I remember also reading Donal Duck as a kid, he always had a temper too.
There also was this inventor in that, pople sometimes identify me with
Gyro Gearloose....
http://duckman.pettho.com/characters/gyro.html
http://duckman.pettho.com/characters/helper.html
So, now I forgot what I wanted to write, oh yes, GG inventend that black light
bulb.
How to get the Duck:
http://www.vce.com/grable.html
....
Tom Potter
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
Here is what eftaylor.com says:
====================+
"The satellite clock will "run fast" by something like 50 000 nanoseconds
per day compared with the clock on Earth's surface due to position effects
alone. CLEARY general relativity is needed for correct operation of the
Global Positioning Satellite System!!!!!!"
Here is how Galileo's 200 year old equation does the job.
======================================
The "classical" "gravitational red shift" equation is:
f = f0 * ( 1 + 1/2 * g * distance / C^2)
where "g" is about 9.8 meters per seconds^2
"distance" is about 10,000 kilometers or 10,000,000 meters,
and "C" is about 300,000,000 meters per second,
in the case of the GPS system in Earth orbit.
Computing we get: 1.00000000054444444,
and subtracting one (1.0..) to get the difference,
we get the 5.4*10^-10 which is basically the number used
by eftaylor.com and others.
And considering that all that is necessary to sync the satellite oscillators
with the master oscillator, is to observe the differences, and send
commands to the offending satellites to correct the differences,
and all that is necessary to sync the oscillator accumulators (Clocks)
is to observe the differences, and send commands to the offending satellites
to correct the differences, like computers do when they sync their
clocks with standard time.
As can be seen, it is a barefaced lie to state as eftaylor.com does:
"CLEARLY general relativity is needed for correct operation of the Global
Positioning Satellite System!!!!!!"
CLEARLY it can be seen that eftaylor is a charlatan
and a liar, that tries to con taxpayers and the representatives
into thinking that he is privy to powerful, esoteric knowledge.
This tactic has been used by charlatans, priests, rabbis,
astrologers, fortune tellers, etc. throughout history.
As can be seen from the media, internet posts, etc.
even in the 21st century charlatans are able
con enough gullibles to lead the good life.
But maybe the current situation is not so bad.
Even though billions of dollars are wasted in order to
rationalize and find new hacks to General Relativity,
the Aztec Priests managed to convince the gullibles
that ripping out hearts made the sun come up in the morning.
Tom Potter
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
> In article <e6f6ds$f0e$1...@nntp.aioe.org>, Jan Panteltje
> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> orld view and no amount of
>> >percussive maintenance will change that.
>>
>> Well, it is hard to belive that crap, many fall for it, like you it
>> seems,
>> with some bad luck you will still be spouting that nonsense years from
>> now,
>> so whos fixed in his world view. Yours is fixed at <c clearly.
>> LOL
>> poor guy.
>> guys [and bots].
>
> When I find people with valid criticisms, I can be open. I'm well aware
> that theories change and grow. HOWEVER unlike you, I maintain an open
> mind. I don't meely repeat the same old tired anti-relativity nonsense
> nor stick my fingers in my ears when someone points out a problem.
>
> *PLONK*
>
> --
> The greatest enemy of science is pseudoscience.
It is interesting to see that "Phineas T Puddleduck" makes the statement:
"When I find people with valid criticisms, I can be open.",
and then he *PLONK*'s posters whose observations
are contrary to his strongly held beliefs.
And it is interesting to observe that "Phineas T Puddleduck's sig states:
"The greatest enemy of science is pseudoscience.",
when the fact of the matter is, that what retards
progress in science is the worship of existing models,
and pseudoscience's like astrology, alchemy, etc.
have often paved the way to advancing the sciences.
Sam Wormley
> "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
> message news:100620062010417271%phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM...
>
>>www.eftaylor.com has a good analysis on the use of relativity in GR.
>
>
> Here is what eftaylor.com says:
> ====================+
> "The satellite clock will "run fast" by something like 50 000 nanoseconds
> per day compared with the clock on Earth's surface due to position effects
> alone. CLEARY general relativity is needed for correct operation of the
> Global Positioning Satellite System!!!!!!"
Here is the source http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf and
the actual paragraph Potter is quoting from...
"The satellite clock will "run fast" by something like 50 000
nanoseconds per day compared with the clock on Earth's surface due to
position effects alone. Clearly general relativity is needed for
correct operation of the Global Positioning Satellite System! On the
other hand, the fractional difference between clock rates at the two
locations (at least the fraction due to difference in radius) is
small".
"In addition to effects of position, we must include effects due to
motion of satellite and Earth observer. In which direction will these
effects influence the result? The satellite clock moves faster than
the clock revolving with Earth's surface. But special relativity
tells us that (in an imprecise summary) "moving clocks run slow."
This prediction agrees with the negative sign of v2 in equations [2]
and [3]. Therefore we expect the effect of motion to reduce the
amount by which the satellite clock runs fast compared to the Earth
clock. In brief, when velocity effects are taken into account, we
expect the satellite clock to run faster than the Earth clock by less
than the estimated 50 000 nanoseconds per day. We will need to check
our final result against this prediction".
Sam Wormley
> "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
> message news:100620062010417271%phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM...
>
>>www.eftaylor.com has a good analysis on the use of relativity in GR.
>
>
> Here is what eftaylor.com says:
> ====================+
> "The satellite clock will "run fast" by something like 50 000 nanoseconds
> per day compared with the clock on Earth's surface due to position effects
> alone. CLEARY general relativity is needed for correct operation of the
> Global Positioning Satellite System!!!!!!"
>
Here is the source http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf and
the actual paragraph Potter is quoting from...
"The satellite clock will "run fast" by something like 50 000
nanoseconds per day compared with the clock on Earth's surface due to
Sam Wormley
> ...and pseudoscience's like astrology, alchemy, etc.
> have often paved the way to advancing the sciences.
>
Interesting conjecture on your part Potter. I'll bet
the correlation is negative. Got data?
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu
>Tom Potter wrote:
>
>> ...and pseudoscience's like astrology, alchemy, etc.
>> have often paved the way to advancing the sciences.
>>
>
> the correlation is negative. Got data?
Actually, for once Potter is right. A rare occasion, I'll drink to
that.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
me...@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Tom Potter
<mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message
news:LoNig.41$45....@news.uchicago.edu...
> In article <TeMig.26172$No1.18049@attbi_s71>, Sam Wormley
> <swor...@mchsi.com> writes:
>>Tom Potter wrote:
>>
>>> ...and pseudoscience's like astrology, alchemy, etc.
>>> have often paved the way to advancing the sciences.
>>>
>>
>> Interesting conjecture on your part Potter. I'll bet
>> the correlation is negative. Got data?
>
> Actually, for once Potter is right. A rare occasion, I'll drink to
> that.
As Mati Meron implies that he has the
equipment to determine when I err,
and as I am a true seeker of wisdom and truth,
and love to have my errors pointed out
so that I may learn from them,
I will be looking forward to seeing Mati Meron
point out some of my errors,
and debate any issues that might arise.
Mati may be right.
or I may be right,
on the issues that he perceives as errors.
Of course it could be that Mati Meron
has a hard on for me,
because I have suggested that
the American government should not allow
people have access to America's secrets,
if they have served in the Israeli army,
and make posts on the Internet
instigating hostility toward Muslims.
One cannot serve two masters.
It's bad enough having people with
foreign interests try to con American
Blacks, Rednecks and Latinos
into sacrificing their lives, limbs, liberties and fortunes
for Israel, but it is insanity to give
people who instigate hate and war,
and have foreign citizenship,
access to America's secrets.
Tom Potter
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:TeMig.26172$No1.18049@attbi_s71...
Wikipedia
"..alchemy was one of the main precursors of modern sciences, and we owe to
the ancient alchemists the discovery of many substances and processes that
are the mainstay of modern chemical and metallurgical industries."
Wikipedia
"Kepler believed in astrology in the sense that he was convinced that
astrological aspects physically and really affected humans as well as the
weather on Earth. He strove to unravel how and why that was the case and
tried to put astrology on a surer footing,
Kepler discovered the laws of planetary motion while trying to achieve the
Pythagorean purpose of finding the harmony of the celestial spheres. In his
cosmologic vision, it was not a coincidence that the number of perfect
polyhedra was one less than the number of known planets. Having embraced the
Copernican system, he set out to prove that the distances from the planets
to the sun were given by spheres inside perfect polyhedra, all of which were
nested inside each other."
Tom Potter
> Tom Potter wrote:
>> "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
>> message
>> news:100620062010417271%phineasp...@googlemail.com_NOSPAM...
>>
>>>www.eftaylor.com has a good analysis on the use of relativity in GR.
>>
>>
>> Here is what eftaylor.com says:
>> ====================+
>> "The satellite clock will "run fast" by something like 50 000 nanoseconds
>> per day compared with the clock on Earth's surface due to position
>> effects
>> Global Positioning Satellite System!!!!!!"
>
> Here is the source http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf and
> the actual paragraph Potter is quoting from...
>
> "The satellite clock will "run fast" by something like 50 000
> nanoseconds per day compared with the clock on Earth's surface due to
> position effects alone. Clearly general relativity is needed for
> correct operation of the Global Positioning Satellite System!
I am pleased that Sam Wormley observed that
I emphasized CLEARLY to emphasize the writer's use of the word "clearly"
and !!!!! to emphasize his use of the "!".
I hope other readers also OBSERVED the use of "clearly" and "!"
and got the message that these were propaganda ploys.
As can be seen,
the statement:
"Clearly general relativity is needed for
correct operation of the Global Positioning Satellite System!"
is CLEARLY a lie,
and CLEARLY an effort to con gullible folks!!!!!!!
Mike
Tom Potter wrote:
> "Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:TeMig.26172$No1.18049@attbi_s71...
> > Tom Potter wrote:
> >
> >> ...and pseudoscience's like astrology, alchemy, etc.
> >> have often paved the way to advancing the sciences.
> >>
> >
> > Interesting conjecture on your part Potter. I'll bet
> > the correlation is negative. Got data?
>
> Wikipedia
> "..alchemy was one of the main precursors of modern sciences, and we owe to
> the ancient alchemists the discovery of many substances and processes that
> are the mainstay of modern chemical and metallurgical industries."
That is profoundly wrong. Newton spent the rest of his life after
publishing the Principia doing Alchemy. That had nothing to do with his
discoveries. It was the prevailing emotive approach to everyday life
mixed with high levels of superstition.
>
> Wikipedia
> "Kepler believed in astrology in the sense that he was convinced that
> astrological aspects physically and really affected humans as well as the
> weather on Earth. He strove to unravel how and why that was the case and
> tried to put astrology on a surer footing,
So what? Newton also believed in astrology. Have you any idea how many
contemporary politicians, actors, public pesonalities resort to
astrology? There is not a single element in the geocentric or placidus
system used in astrology that relates to current dynamic theories of
planetary motion.
>
> Kepler discovered the laws of planetary motion while trying to achieve the
> Pythagorean purpose of finding the harmony of the celestial spheres. In his
> cosmologic vision, it was not a coincidence that the number of perfect
> polyhedra was one less than the number of known planets. Having embraced the
> Copernican system, he set out to prove that the distances from the planets
> to the sun were given by spheres inside perfect polyhedra, all of which were
> nested inside each other."
No. That is wrong. Some contemporary metaphysicists and astrologers
insist on these stupid ideas in an effort to legitimize their
crackpottery. Kepler continues to work on existing observations (I
think Tycho's) and ancient work on heliocentric system primarily by
Aristarchos of Samos.
Only cranks insist that modern science has its roots in superstition.
It is exactly that what modern science tried to get away from and often
people were forced to present their work as evidence of superstition
just to avoid prosecution. Descartes did not publish his works after he
learned of Galileo's arrest and Newton inserted many paragraphs of
theological content to avoid condemnation.
Keep of cranking up Potter.
Mike
tdp...@gmail.com
It is interesting to see that Mike asserts that he knows better
than the collective wisdom of Wikipedia.
Of course folks with normal intelligence can plainly see that Mike's
thinking <sic> is not first class when he makes statements like:
"There is not a single element in the geocentric or placidus
system used in astrology that relates to current dynamic theories of
planetary motion."
1. First Mike creates a strawman out of his own mind.
(geocentric or placidus system)
2. Mike then makes the unsubstantiated assertion that there is
no correlations between his strawman and "current dynamic theories of
planetary motion.", which may or may not be true.
3. And as can be seen,
Mike ignores the numerous links between astrology and astronomy.
The fact of the matter is that intelligent folks in ancient times,
observed that certain periods like days, months, and years
had a large affect on their lives, and they observed that
other periods like the periods of the planets existed,
and being the cross-correlating beings that they were,
the naturally wondered if these periods might also affect their lives
as the daily, monthly and yearly periods did.
The natural drive to establish correlations between observations
and pleasure and pain, lead to exhaustive observations of the
heavens, and the data obtained was systemized into
what is known as astronomy.
Apparently Mike thinks that he knows where the
"roots" "modern science", and I will be looking forward
to see Mike describe these roots.
Maybe Mike thinks that Gods or aliens
implanted the roots of science in certain people???
Or maybe Mike thinks that there are two sets of people,
"cranks" like me,
and "right thinkers" like him,
and that "cranks" associate non-science to sets of events,
and "right thinkers" like him, associate science to sets of events,
Well, let's wait and see what Mike has to
say about what the roots of science are.
That should be worth a few laughs.
Sam Wormley
Potter--the only real authority in science is empirical data.
Mike
I understand that Wiki is your only source of knowledge, like most
other crank's.
> Of course folks with normal intelligence can plainly see that Mike's
> thinking <sic> is not first class when he makes statements like:
>
> "There is not a single element in the geocentric or placidus
> system used in astrology that relates to current dynamic theories of
> planetary motion."
>
> 1. First Mike creates a strawman out of his own mind.
> (geocentric or placidus system)
Since you do not understand what I am talking about you prove your
total ignorance of the subject. Astrology is based on the Ptolemaic
geocentric model. heavy importance is given to retrogate motions, to
oppositions and conjuctions, etc. We know today that these are only
<apparent> motions asviwed by Earth. So the only straw man here is you.
A person with lack of serious knowledge about science who nevertheless
insist on posting his crap.
>
> 2. Mike then makes the unsubstantiated assertion that there is
> no correlations between his strawman and "current dynamic theories of
> planetary motion.", which may or may not be true.
>
You do not even know what it is, true or false?
> 3. And as can be seen,
> Mike ignores the numerous links between astrology and astronomy.
The link is so weak as it is your knowledge of science and physics.
[snip rest of Potter's misconceptions and superstitions]
Mike
Tom Potter
Sam Wormley seems to be suggesting
that the authority hierarchy in science goes something like this:
1. empirical data
2. Sam Wormley
3. Mike
4. Eric Max Francis
5. Clifford M. Will
6. Wikipedia
7. Potter
I suggest that the following is more correct.
1. empirical data
2. Wikipedia
3. Maxwell
4. Newton
5. Galileo
6. Archimedes
7. about 100,000,000 scientists, engineers and technicians
8. about 1,000,000,000 laymen
9. Eric Max Francis
10. Media and advertising personnel
11. Clifford M. Will
12. Sam Wormley
13. about 14,000,000,000 animals
14. Mike
15. Plants
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As can be seen,
Mike again tries to create a strawman, by asserting that
"Astrology is based on the Ptolemaic geocentric model.."
The issue is:
"pseudoscience's like astrology, alchemy, etc.
have often paved the way to advancing the sciences."
not what some current view of astrology is.
And note that Mike is ignorant of the fact
that man is hardwired with the capacity to correlate
by virtue of having a hippocampus,
and that early man observed and correlated
that periods extant in his environment like
days, months and years, had a very great impact
on his life.
I might also point out that ALL periods,
extant in an environment,
affect things in the environment,
and ALL things in an environment affect the other things.
I suggest that Mike reflect on how pseudo-random codes
in GPS receivers are used to extract specific information
from GPS transmissions at extremely tiny power levels.
The point being, that correlating, sentient beings,
are continuously correlating "pseudo-random codes"
(Hardwired and learned data)
against incoming data, at the lowest possible level.
Mike should also reflect on the fact, that the smallest
amount of action that impacts an environment,
has an affect on the environment,
and that the affect may multiply or extinguish.
(Think about how the tiny action in one GPS reception
can impact a person, an environment, a nation, etc.)
I suggest that Mike do Google searches on
"The Butterfly effect", cross-correlation, auto-correlation,
Gold codes, "pseudo-random codes", "three body math",
"stimulated emission of radiation", regeneration, etc.
and reflect on what he learns.
The bottom line is,
that the tiniest action can, and does, affect an environment,
and extrapolating from tiny actions (Periods)
"paves the way to advancing the sciences"
rather than extrapolating from tiny actions (Periods)
to some popular scientific model.
"Mighty oaks from tiny acorns grow."