Newsgroups: sci.physics
From: b...@math.ucr.edu (john baez)
Date: 1997/05/02
Subject: Re: So-called "centrifugal force"
In article <5k7cn6$...@hermes.achilles.net>, I...@Ebon.Psi <ce...@achilles.net> wrote: You're right (or at least not wrong). >Webster's 9th New Collegiate Dictionary defines "centrifugal force" on >page 221 as the force that an object moving along a circular path >exerts on the body constraining the object and that acts outwardly >away form the centre of rotation. eg: a stone whirled on a string >exerts centrifugal force on the string >Since when?!?! I was under the impression that the only acceleration >(I was also under the impression that "centrifugal force" was made up All concepts of "force" are made up to describe phenomena. If >to describe phenomena, and never existed) we work in a nonrotating coordinate system there is no real need for the concept of centrifugal force. If we work in a rotating coordinate system and still want F = ma to apply in a simple-minded manner, we need the concept of centrifugal force. Now, you could justly say that expecting F = ma to hold in a rotating coordinate system is a dumb idea. However, we can get F = ma to hold in a rotating coordinate system if we make up two forces: the "centrifugal force" and the "Coriolis force". One sometimes calls a force that's an artifact of a funny choice of >So, (and this sounds like a silly question) who's right: me, or Both. Webster's dictionary gives definitions but detailed >Webster's Dictionary <grin>? explanations. For example, I bet it fails to note that gravity is not really a force, but merely the curvature of spacetime. You might check to see what it says under "aether" or "phlogiston". But wait! The 1913 edition of Webster's Dictionary *does* point out Phlogiston, n. [NL., fr. Gr. burnt, set on fire, fr. to set on fire, Wow, that *is* a pretty detailed explanation! (I hadn't known that So, let's look up "centrifugal" in the 1913 edition... Centrifugal force (Mech.), a force whose direction is from a center. Whoa! So back then, they *did* explain centrifugal force more http://humanities.uchicago.edu/forms_unrest/webster.form.html You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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